IN WHICH AUGUSTINE REPLIES TO ALL THE SEVERAL STATEMENTS IN THE
LETTER OF PETILIANUS, AS THOUGH DISPUTING WITH AN ADVERSARY
FACE TO FACE.
CHAP. I.—1. That we made a full and sufficient answer
to the first part of the letter of Petilianus, which was
all that we had been able to find, will be remembered by all
who were able to read or hear what we replied. But since
the whole of it was afterwards found and copied by our
brethren, and sent to us with the view that we should answer
it as a whole, this task was one which our pen could not
escape,—not that he says anything new in it, to which answer
has not been already made in many ways and at various
times; but still, on account of the brethren of slower comprehension,
who, when they read a matter in any place, cannot
always refer to everything that has been said upon the
same subject, I will comply with those who urge me by all
means to reply to every point, and that as though we were
carrying on the discussion face to face in the form of a
dialogue. I will set down the words of his epistle under his
name, and I will give the answer under my own name,
as though it had all been taken down by reporters while
we were debating. And so there will be no one who can
complain either that I have passed anything over, or that
they have been unable to understand it for want of distinction
between the parties to the discussion; at the same
time that the Donatists themselves, who are unwilling to
argue the question in our presence, as is shown by the
letters which they have circulated among their party, may
thus not fail to find the truth answering them point by point,
just as though they were discussing the matter with us face
to face.
2. In the very beginning of the letter Petilianus said:
"Petilianus, a bishop, to his well-beloved brethren, fellow-priests,
and deacons, appointed ministers with us throughout
our diocese in the gospel, grace be to you and peace, from
God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ."
3. Augustine answered: I acknowledge the apostolic
greeting. You see who you are that employ it, but see from
what source you have learned what you say. For in these
terms Paul salutes the Romans, and in the same terms the
Corinthians, the Galatians, the Ephesians, the Colossians, the
Philippians, the Thessalonians. What madness is it, therefore,
to be unwilling to share the salvation of peace with
those very Churches in whose epistles you learned its form of
salutation?
Chap. II.—4. Petilianus said: "Those who have polluted
their souls with a guilty laver, under the name of baptism,
reproach us with baptizing twice,—than whose obscenity,
indeed, any kind of filth is more cleanly, seeing that through
a perversion of cleanliness they have come to be made fouler
by their washing."
5. Augustine answered: We are neither made fouler by
our washing, nor cleaner by yours. But when the water
of baptism is given to any one in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, it is neither ours
nor yours, but His of whom it was said to John, "Upon
whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining
on Him, the same is He which baptizeth with the Holy
Ghost."[684]
Chap. III.—6. Petilianus said: "For what we look
to is the conscience of the giver, to cleanse that of the
recipient."
7. Augustine answered: We therefore need have no
anxiety about the conscience of Christ. But if you assert any
man to be the giver, be he who he may, there will be no certainty
about the cleansing of the recipient, because there is no
certainty about the conscience of the giver.
Chap. IV.—8. Petilianus said: "For he who receives
faith from the faithless, receives not faith but guilt."
9. Augustine answered: Christ is not faithless, from
whom the faithful man receives not guilt but faith. For he
believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, that his faith
may be counted for righteousness.[685]
Chap. V.—10. Petilianus said: "For everything consists
of an origin and root; and if it have not something for a head,
it is nothing: nor does anything well receive second birth,
unless it be born again of good seed."
11. Augustine answered: Why will you put yourself forward
in the room of Christ, when you will not place yourself
under Him? He is the origin, and root, and head of him
who is being born, and in Him we feel no fear, as we must
in any man, whoever he may be, lest he should prove to be
false and of abandoned character, and we should be found to
be sprung from an abandoned source, growing from an abandoned
root, united to an abandoned head. For what man can
feel secure about a man, when it is written, "Cursed be the
man that trusteth in man?"[686] But the seed of which we are
born again is the word of God, that is, the gospel. Whence
the apostle says, "For in Christ Jesus I have begotten you
through the gospel."[687] And yet he allows even those to
preach the gospel who were preaching it not in purity, and
rejoices in their preaching;[688] because, although they were
preaching it not in purity, but seeking their own, not the
things which are Jesus Christ's,[689] yet the gospel which they
preached was pure. And the Lord had said of certain of like
character, "Whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe
and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and
do not."[690] If, therefore, what is in itself pure is preached in
purity, then the preacher himself also, in that he is a partner
with the word, has his share in begetting the believer; but if
he himself be not regenerate, and yet what he preaches be
pure, then the believer is born not from the barrenness of the
minister, but from the fruitfulness of the word.
Chap. vi.—12. Petilianus said: "This being the case,
brethren, what perversity must it be, that he who is guilty
through his own sins should make another free from guilt,
when the Lord Jesus Christ says, 'Every good tree bringeth
forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit:
do men gather grapes of thorns?[691] And again: 'A good
man, out of the good treasure of the heart, bringeth forth good
things: and an evil man, out of the evil treasure, bringeth
forth evil things.'"[692]
13. Augustine answered: No man, even though he be
not guilty through his own sins, can make his neighbour free
from sin, because he is not God. Otherwise, if we were to
expect that out of the innocence of the baptizer should be
produced the innocence of the baptized, then each will be the
more innocent in proportion as he may have found a more
innocent person by whom to be baptized; and will himself
be the less innocent in proportion as he by whom he is baptized
is less innocent. And if the man who baptizes happens
to entertain hatred against another man, this will also be
imputed to him who is baptized. Why, therefore, does the
wretched man hasten to be baptized,—that his own sins
may be forgiven him, or that those of others may be reckoned
against him? Is he like a merchant ship, to discharge one
burden, and to take on him another? But by the good tree
and its good fruit, and the corrupt tree and its evil fruit, we
are wont to understand men and their works, as is consequently
shown in those other words which you also quoted:
"A good man, out of the good treasure of his heart, bringeth
forth good things: and an evil man, out of the evil treasure,
bringeth forth evil things." But when a man preaches the
word of God, or administers the sacraments of God, he does
not, if he is a bad man, preach or minister out of his own
treasure; but he will be counted among those of whom it is
said, "Whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
but do not ye after their works:" for they bid you observe
what is God's, but their works are their own. For if it is as
you say, that is, if the fruit of those who baptize consist in
the baptized persons themselves; you declare a great woe
against Africa, if a young Optatus has sprung up for every
one that Optatus baptized.
Chap. vii.—14. Petilianus said: "And again, 'He who is
baptized by one that is dead, his washing profiteth him
nothing.'[693] He did not mean that the baptizer was a corpse,
a lifeless body, the remains of a man ready for burial, but
one lacking the Spirit of God, who is compared to a dead
body, as He declares to a disciple in another place, according
to the witness of the gospel. For His disciple says, 'Lord,
suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto
him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.'[694] The
father of the disciple was not baptized. He declared him as a
pagan to belong to the company of pagans; unless he said
this of the unbelieving, The dead cannot bury the dead. He
was dead, therefore, not as smitten by some death, but as
smitten even during life. For he who so lives as to be doomed
to eternal death is tortured by a death in life. To be baptized,
therefore, by the dead, is to have received not life but
death. We must therefore consider and declare how far the
traditor is to be accounted dead while yet alive. He is
dead who has not deserved to be born again with a true baptism;
he is likewise dead who, having been born again with
a true baptism, has become involved with a traditor. Both are
wanting in the life of baptism,—both he who never had it at
all, and he who had it and has lost it. For the Lord Jesus
Christ says, 'There shall come to that man seven spirits more
wicked than the former one, and the last state of that man
shall be worse than the first.'"[695]
15. Augustine answered: Seek with greater care to know
in what sense the words which you have quoted from Scripture
in proof of your position were really uttered, and how
they should be understood. For that all unrighteous persons
are wont to be called dead in a mystical sense is clear enough;
but Christ, to whom true baptism belongs, which you say is
false because of the faults of men, is alive, sitting at the
right hand of the Father, and He will not die any more
through any infirmity of the flesh: death will no more have
dominion over Him.[696] And they who are baptized with His
baptism are not baptized by one who is dead. And if it so
happen that certain ministers, being deceitful workers, seeking
their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's, proclaiming
the gospel not in purity, and preaching Christ of contention
and envy, are to be called dead because of their unrighteousness,
yet the sacrament of the living God does not die
even in one that is dead. For that Simon was dead who was
baptized by Philip in Samaria, who wished to purchase the
gift of God for money;[697] but the baptism which he had lived
in him still to work his punishment.
16. But how false the statement is which you make, that
"both are wanting in the life of baptism, both he who never
had it at all, and he who had it and has lost it," you may see
from this, that in the case of those who apostatize after having
been baptized, and who return through penitence, baptism is
not restored to them, as it would be restored if it were lost.
In what manner, indeed, do your dead men baptize according
to your interpretation? Must we not reckon the drunken
among the dead (to say nothing of the rest, and to mention
only what is well known and of daily experience among all),
seeing that the apostle says of the widow, "But she that liveth
in pleasure is dead while she liveth?"[698] In the next place, in
that Council of yours, in which you condemned Maximianus
with his advisers or his ministers, have you forgotten with
what eloquence you said, "Even after the manner of the
Egyptians, the shores are full of the bodies of the dying, on
whom the weightier punishment falls in death itself, in that,
after their life has been wrung from them by the avenging
waters, they have not found so much as burial?" And yet
you yourselves may see whether or no one of them, Felicianus,
has been brought to life again; yet he has with him within
the communion of your body those whom he baptized outside.
As therefore he is baptized by One that is alive who
is clothed with the baptism of the living Christ, so he is baptized
by the dead who is wrapped in the baptism of the dead
Saturn, or any one like him; that we may set forth in the
meanwhile, with what brevity we may, in what sense the
words which you have quoted may be understood without any
cavilling on the part of any one of us. For, in the sense in
which they are received by you, you make no effort to explain
them, but only strive to entangle us together with yourselves.
Chap. viii.—17. Petilianus said: "We must consider, I
say, and declare how far the treacherous traditor is to be
accounted dead while yet in life. Judas was an apostle when
he betrayed Christ; and the same man was already dead,
having spiritually lost the office of an apostle, being destined
afterwards to die by hanging himself, as it is written: 'I
have sinned,' says he, 'in that I have betrayed the innocent
blood; and he departed, and went and hanged himself'[699] The
traitor perished by the rope: he left the rope for others like
himself, of whom the Lord Christ cried aloud to the Father,
'Father, those that Thou gavest me I have kept, and none of
them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might
be fulfilled.'[700] For David of old had passed this sentence on
him who was to betray Christ to the unbelievers: 'Let another
take his office. Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a
widow.'[701] See how mighty is the spirit of the prophets, that
it was able to see all future things as though they were present,
so that a traitor who was to be born hereafter should be
condemned many centuries before. Finally, that the said sentence
should be completed, the holy Matthias received the
bishopric of that lost apostle. Let no one be so dull, no one
so faithless, as to dispute this: Matthias won for himself a
victory, not a wrong, in that he carried off the spoils of the
traitor from the victory of the Lord Christ. Why then, after
this, do you claim to yourself a bishopric as the heir of a
worse traitor? Judas betrayed Christ in the flesh to the
unbelievers; you in the spirit madly betrayed the holy gospel
to the flames of sacrilege. Judas betrayed the Lawgiver to
the unbelievers; you, as it were, betraying all that he had left,
gave up the law of God to be destroyed by men. Whilst, had
you loved the law, like the youthful Maccabees, you would
have welcomed death for the sake of the laws of God (if
indeed that can be said to be death to men which makes them
immortal because they died for the Lord); for of those brethren
we learn that one replied to the sacrilegious tyrant with these
words of faith: 'Thou like a fury takest us out of this present
life; but the King of the world (who reigns for ever, and
of His kingdom there shall be no end) shall raise us up who
have died for His laws, unto everlasting life.'[702] If you were
to burn with fire the testament of a dead man, would you
not be punished as the falsifier of a will? What therefore
is likely to become of you who have burned the most holy
law of our God and Judge? Judas repented of his deed even
in death; you not only do not repent, but stand forth as a
persecutor and butcher of us who keep the law, whilst you
are the most wicked of traditors."
18. Augustine answered: See what a difference there is
between your calumnious words and our truthful assertions.
Listen for a little while. See how you have exaggerated the sin
of delivering up the sacred books, comparing us in most odious
terms, like some sophistical inventor of charges, with the traitor
Judas. But when I shall have answered you on this point
with the utmost brevity,—I did not do what you assert; I did
not deliver up the sacred books; your charge is false; you will
never be able to prove it,—will not all that smoke of mighty
words presently vanish away? Or will you perchance endeavour
to prove the truth of what you say? This, then, you
should do first; and then you might rise against us, as against
men who were already convicted, with whatever mass of invective
you might choose. Here is one absurdity: behold
again a second.
19. You yourself, when speaking of the foretelling of the
condemnation of Judas, used these expressions: "See how
mighty is the spirit of the prophets, that it was able to see
all future things as though they were present, so that a traitor
who was to be born hereafter should be condemned many centuries
before;" and yet you did not see that in the same sure
prophecy, and certain and unshaken truth, in which it was
foretold that one of the disciples should hereafter betray the
Christ, it was also foretold that the whole world should hereafter
believe in Christ. Why did you pay attention in the
prophecy to the man who betrayed Christ, and in the same
place give no heed to the world for which Christ was betrayed?
Who betrayed Christ? Judas. To whom did he
betray Him? To the Jews. What did the Jews do to Him?
"They pierced my hands and my feet," says the Psalmist.
"I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They
part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."[703]
Of what importance, then, that is which is bought
at such a price, I would have you read a little later in the
psalm itself: "All the ends of the world shall remember and
turn unto the Lord; and all the kindreds of the nations shall
worship before Thee. For the kingdom is the Lord's; and He
is the governor among the nations."[704] But who is able to
suffice for the quotation of all the other innumerable prophetic
passages which bear witness to the world that is destined
to believe? Yet you quote a prophecy because you
see in it the man who sold Christ: you do not see in it the
possession which Christ bought by being sold. Here is the
second absurdity: behold again the third.
20. Among the many other expressions in your invective,
you said: "If you were to burn with fire the testament of a
dead man, would you not be punished as the falsifier of a
will? What therefore is likely to become of you who have
burned the most holy law of our God and Judge?" In these
words you have paid no attention to what certainly ought to
have moved you, to the question of how it might be that we
should burn the testament, and yet stand fast in the inheritance
which was described in that testament; but it is marvellous
that you have preserved the testament and lost the
inheritance. Is it not written in that testament, "Ask of
me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession?"[705]
Take part in this inheritance, and you may bring what charges
you will against me about the testament. For what madness
is it, that while you shrank from committing the testament to
the flames, you should yet strive against the words of the
testator! We, on the other hand, though we hold in our
hands the records of the Church and of the State, in which we
read that those who ordained a rival bishop[706] in opposition to
Cæcilianus were rather the betrayers of the sacred books, yet
do not on this account insult you, or pursue you with invectives,
or mourn over the ashes of the sacred pages in your
hands, or contrast the burning torments of the Maccabees
with the sacrilege of your fear, saying, "You should deliver
your own limbs to the flames rather than the utterances of God."
For we are unwilling to be so absurd as to excite an empty uproar
against you on account of the deeds of others, which you
either know nothing of, or else repudiate. But in that we
see you separated from the communion of the whole world
(a sin both of the greatest magnitude, and manifest to all
mankind, and common to you all), if I were desirous of exaggerating,
I should find time failing me sooner than words.
And if you should seek to defend yourself on this charge, it
could only be by bringing accusations against the whole world,
of such a kind that, if they could be maintained, you would
simply be furnishing matter for further accusation against
yourself; if they could not be maintained, there is in them no
defence for you. Why therefore do you puff yourself up
against me about the betrayal of the sacred books, which concerns
neither you nor me if we abide by the agreement not to
charge each other with the sins of other men, and which, if
that agreement does not stand, affects you rather than me?
And yet, even without any violation of that agreement, I
think I may say with perfect justice that he should be
deemed a partner with him who delivered up Christ who has
not delivered himself up to Christ in company with the whole
world. "Then," says the apostle, "then are ye Abraham's
seed, and heirs according to the promise."[707] And again he
says, "Heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ."[708] And the
same apostle shows that the seed of Abraham belongs to all
nations, from the promise which was given to Abraham, "In
thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed."[709]
Wherefore I consider that I am only making a fair demand
in asking that we should for a moment consider the testament
of God, which has already long been opened, and that we
should consider every one to be himself an heir of the traitor
whom we do not find to be a joint-heir with Him whom he
betrayed; that every one should belong to him who sold
Christ who denies that Christ has bought the whole world.
For when He showed Himself after His resurrection to His
disciples, and gave His limbs to those who doubted, that they
should handle them, He says this to them, "For thus it is
written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise
again from the dead the third day: and that repentance and
remission of sins should be preached in His name among all
nations, beginning at Jerusalem."[710] See from what an inheritance
you estrange yourselves! see what an Heir you
resist! Can it really be that a man would spare Christ if
He were walking here on earth who speaks against Him while
He sits in heaven? Do you not yet understand that whatever
you allege against us you allege against His words?
A Christian world is promised and believed in: the promise
is fulfilled, and it is denied. Consider, I entreat of you, what
you ought to suffer for such impiety. And yet, if I know
not what you have suffered,—if I have not seen it, have not
wrought it,—then do you to-day, who do not suffer the violence
of my persecution, render to me an account of your
separation. But you are likely to say over and over again
what, unless you prove it, can affect no one, and if you prove
it, has no bearing upon me.
Chap. IX.—21. Petilianus said: "Hemmed in, therefore,
by these offences, you cannot be a true bishop."
22. Augustine answered: By what offences? What have
you shown? What have you proved? And if you have
proved charges on the part of I know not whom, what has
that to do with the seed of Abraham, in which all the nations
of the earth are blessed?
Chap. X.—23. Petilianus said: "Did the apostles persecute
any one? or did Christ betray any one?"
24. Augustine answered: I might indeed say that Satan
himself was worse than all wicked men; and yet the apostle
delivered a man over to him for the destruction of the flesh,
that his spirit might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[711]
And in the same way he delivered over others, of whom he
says, "Whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may
learn not to blaspheme."[712] And the Lord Christ drove out the
impious merchants from the temple with scourges; in which
connection we also find advanced the testimony of Scripture,
where it says, "The zeal of Thine house hath eaten me up."[713]
So that we do find the apostle delivering over to condemnation,
and Christ a persecutor. All this I might say, and put
you into no small heat and perturbation, so that you would
be compelled to inquire, not into the complaints of those who
suffer, but into the intention of those who cause the suffering.
But do not trouble yourself about this; I do not say this. But
I do say that it has nothing to do with the seed of Abraham,
which is in all nations, if anything has been done to you
which ought not to have been done, perhaps by the chaff among
the harvest of the Lord, which in spite of this is found among
all nations. Do you therefore render an account of your separation.
But first, consider what kind of men you have among
you, with whom you would not wish to be reproached; and see
how unjustly you act, when you cast in our teeth the acts of
other men, even if you proved what you assert. Therefore it
will be found that there is no ground for your separation.
Chap. XI.—25. Petilianus said: "Yet some will be found
to say, We are not the sons of a traditor. Any one is the
son of that man whose deeds he imitates. For those are most
assuredly sons, and at the same time bear a strong resemblance
to their parents, who are born in the likeness of their
parents, not only as being of their flesh and blood, but in respect
of their characters and deeds."
26. Augustine answered: A little while ago you were
saying nothing contrary to us, now you even begin to say
something in our favour. For this proposition of yours binds
you to as much as this, that if you shall fail to-day to convict
us, with whom you are arguing, of being traditors and murderers,
and anything else with which you charge us, you
will then be wholly powerless to hurt us by any charge of
the kind which you may prove against those who have gone
before us. For we cannot be the sons of those to whose
deeds our actions bear no resemblance. And see to what you
have committed yourself. If you should be so successful as
to convict some man, even of our own times, and living with
us, of any guilt of the kind, that is in no way to the prejudice
of all the nations of the earth who are blessed in the
seed of Abraham, by separating yourself from whom you are
found to be guilty of sacrilege. Accordingly, unless (as is
altogether impossible) you are acquainted with all men that
exist throughout the world, and have not only made yourself
familiar with all their characters and deeds, but have also
proved that they are as bad as you describe, you have no
ground for reproaching all the world, which is among the
saints, with parentage of I know not what description, to
whom you prove that they are like. Nor will it help you at
all, even if you are able to show that those who are not of
the same character take the holy sacraments in common with
those who are. In the first place, because you ought yourselves
to look at those with whom you celebrate those sacraments,
to whom you give them, from whom you receive them,
and whom you would be unwilling to have cast up against
you as a reproach. And again, if all those are the sons of
Judas, who was the devil among the apostles, who imitate
his deeds, why do we not call those the sons of the apostles
who make such men partakers, not in their own deeds, but in
the sacraments of the Lord, as the apostles partook of the
supper of the Lord in company with that traitor? and in
this way they are very different from you, who cast in the
teeth of men who are striving for the preservation of unity
the very thing that you do to the rending asunder of unity.
Chap. XII.—27. Petilianus said: "The Lord Jesus said
to the Jews concerning Himself, 'If I do not the works of my
Father, believe me not.'"[714]
28. Augustine answered: I have already answered above,
This is both true, and makes for us against you.
Chap. xiii.—29. Petilianus said: "Over and over again
He reproaches the false speakers and liars in such terms as
these: 'Ye are the children of the devil, for he also was a
slanderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth.'"
30. Augustine answered: We are not wont to say, "He
was a slanderer," but "He was a murderer."[715] But we ask
how it was that the devil was a murderer from the beginning;
and we find that he slew the first man, not by drawing a
sword, nor by applying to him any bodily violence, but by
persuading him to sin, and thus driving him from the happiness
of Paradise. What then was Paradise is now represented
by the Church. Therefore those are the sons of the devil
who slay men by withdrawing them from the Church. But
as by the words of God we know what was the situation of
Paradise, so now by the words of Christ we have learned
where the Church is to be found: "Throughout all nations,"
He says, "beginning at Jerusalem." Whosoever, therefore,
separates a man from that complete whole to place him in
any single part, is proved to be a son of the devil and a
murderer. But see, further, what is the application of the
expression which you yourself employed in saying of the
devil, "He was a slanderer, and abode not in the truth."
For you bring an accusation against the whole world on
account of the sins of others, though even those others themselves
you were more able to accuse than to convict; and
you abode not in the truth of Christ. For He says that the
Church is "throughout all nations, beginning at Jerusalem;"
but ye say that it is in the party of Donatus.
Chap. xiv.—31. Petilianus said: "In the third place,
also, He calls the madness of persecutors in like manner by
this name, 'Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets,
and wise men, and scribes; and some of them ye shall
kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in their
synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: that upon
you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias,
son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the
altar.'[716] Are they then really the sons of vipers according to
the flesh, and not rather serpents in mind, and three-tongued
malice, and deadliness of touch, and burning with the spirit of
poison? They have truly become vipers, who by their bites
have vomited forth death against the innocent people."
32. Augustine answered: If I were to say that this is said
of men of character like unto yourselves, you would reply,
"Prove it." What then, have you proved it? Or if you
think that it is proved by the mere fact of its being uttered,
there is no need to repeat the same words. Pronounce the
same judgment against yourselves as coming from us to you.
See you not that I too have proved it, if this amounts to
proof? And yet I would have you learn what is really
meant by proof. For indeed I do not even seek for evidence
from without to enable me to prove you vipers. For be well
assured that this very fact marks in you the nature of vipers,
that you have not in your mouth the foundation of truth, but
the poison of slanderous abuse, as it is written, "The poison of
asps is under their lips."[717] And because this might be said
indiscriminately by any one against any one, as though it
were asked, Under whose lips? he immediately adds, "Their
mouth is full of cursing and bitterness."[718] When, therefore,
you say such things as this against men dispersed throughout
the whole world, of whom you know nothing whatsoever, and
many of whom have never heard the name either of Cæcilianus
or of Donatus, and when you do not hear them answering
amid silence. Nothing of what you say has reference to us;
we never saw it; we never did it; we are totally at a loss to
understand what you are saying,—seeing that you desire
nothing else than to say what you are entirely powerless to
prove, how can you help allowing that your mouth is full of
cursing and bitterness? See, therefore, whether you can possibly
show that you are not vipers,[719] unless you show that all
Christians throughout all nations of the world are traditors,
and murderers, and anything but Christians. Nay, in very
truth, even though you should be able to know and set before
us the lives and deeds of every individual man throughout
the world, yet before you can do that, seeing that you act as
you do without any consideration, your mouth is that of a
viper, your mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. Show to
us now, if you can, what prophet, what wise man, what scribe
we have slain, or crucified, or scourged in our synagogues.
Look how much labour you have expended without in any
way being able to prove that Donatus and Marculus were
prophets, or wise men, or scribes, because, in fact, they were
nothing of the sort. But even if you could prove as much as
this, what progress would you have made towards proving that
they had been killed by us, when even we ourselves did not
so much as know them? and how much less the whole world,
whom you calumniate with poisonous mouth?[720] Or whence
will you be able to prove that we have a spirit like that of
those who murdered them, when you actually cannot show
that they were murdered by any one at all? Look carefully
to all these points, see whether you can prove any single one
of them either about the whole world, or to the satisfaction of
the whole world,—in your persevering calumnies against which
you show that the charges are true in you, which you falsely
propagate against the world.
33. Further, even if we should desire to prove you to be
slayers of the prophets, it would be too long a task to collect
the evidence through all the several instances of the slaughter
which your infuriated leaders of the Circumcelliones, and the
actual crowds of men inflamed by wine and madness, not only
have committed since the beginning of your schism, but even
continue to commit at the present time. To take the case
nearest at hand. Let the divine utterances be produced, which
are commonly in the hands of both of us. Let us consider
those to be murderers of the prophets whom we find contradicting
the words of the prophets. What more learned
definition could be given? What could admit of speedier
proof? You would be acting less cruelly in piercing the
bodies of the prophets with a sword, than in endeavouring to
destroy the words of the prophets with your tongue. The
prophet says, "All the ends of the world shall remember and
turn unto the Lord."[721] Behold and see how this is being
done, how it is being fulfilled. But you not only close your
ears in disbelief against what is said, but you even thrust
out your tongues in madness to speak against what is already
being done. Abraham heard the promise, "In thy seed shall
all the nations of the earth be blessed;"[722] and "he believed,
and it was counted unto him for righteousness."[723] You see
the fact accomplished, and you cry out against it; and you
will not that it should be counted unto you for unrighteousness,
as it fairly would be counted, even if your refusal to
believe was not on the accomplishment, but only on the
utterance of the prophecy. Nay, not only are you not willing
that it should be counted unto you for unrighteousness,
but even what you suffer as the punishment of this impiety
you would fain have counted unto you for righteousness. Or
if your conduct is not a persecution of the prophets, because
your instrument is not the sword but the tongue, what was
the reason of its being said under divine inspiration, "The
sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their
tongue a sharp sword?"[724] But what time would suffice me
to collect from all the prophets all the testimonies to the
Church dispersed throughout the world, all of which you
endeavour to destroy and render nought by contradicting
them? But you are caught; for "their sound is gone out
into all lands, and their words to the end of the world."[725] I
will, however, advance this one saying from the mouth of the
Lord, who is the Witness of witnesses: "All things must be
fulfilled," He says, "which were written in the law of Moses,
and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me." And
what these were let us hear from Himself: "Then opened He
their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures,
and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third
day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be
preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."[726]
See what it is that is written in the law of Moses,
and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning the Lord.
See what the Lord Himself revealed about Himself and about
the Church, making Himself manifest, uttering promises about
the Church. But for you, see that you resist such manifest
proofs as these, and as you cannot destroy them, endeavour to
pervert them, what would you do, if you were to come across
the bodies of the prophets, when you rage so madly against
the utterances of the prophets, as not even to hearken to the
Lord when He is fulfilling, and making manifest, and expounding
the prophets? For do you not, to the utmost of
your power, strive to slay the Lord Himself, since even to
Himself you will not yield?
Chap. xv.—34. Petilianus said: "David also spoke of you
as persecutors in the following terms: 'Their throat is an
open sepulchre; with their tongues have they deceived; the
poison of asps is under their lips. Their mouth is full of
cursing and bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood.
Destruction and unhappiness is in their ways, and the way of
peace have they not known: there is no fear of God before
their eyes. Have all the workers of wickedness no knowledge,
who eat up my people as they eat bread?'"[727]
35. Augustine answered: Their throat is an open sepulchre,
whence they breathe out death by lies. For "the mouth
that belieth slayeth the soul."[728] But if nothing is more true
than that which Christ said, that His Church should be throughout
all nations, beginning at Jerusalem, then there is nothing
more false than that which you say, that it is in the party
of Donatus. But the tongues which have deceived are the
tongues of those who, whilst they are acquainted with their
own deeds, not only say that they are just men, but that they
are justifiers of men, which is said of One only "that justifieth
the ungodly,"[729] and that because "He is just and the justifier."[730]
As regards the poison of asps, and the mouth full of cursing
and bitterness, we have said enough already. But you have
yourselves said that the followers of Maximianus had feet
swift to shed blood, as is testified by the sentence of your
general Council, so often quoted in the records of the proconsular
province and of the state. But they, so far as we
hear, never killed any one in the body. You evidently, therefore,
understood that the blood of the soul was shed in spiritual
murder by the sword of schism, which you condemned in
Maximianus. See then if your feet are not swift to shed
blood, when you cut off men from the unity of the whole
world, if you were right in saying it of the followers of Maximianus,
because they cut off some from the party of Donatus.
Are we again without the knowledge of the way of peace, who
study to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace?
and yet do you possess that knowledge, who resist the discourse
which Christ held with His disciples after His resurrection,
of so peaceful a nature that He began it with the
greeting, "Peace be unto you;"[731] and that so strenuously that
you are proved to be saying nothing less to Him than this,
"What Thou saidst of the unity of all nations is false; what
we say of the offence of all nations is true?" Who would say
such things as this if they had the fear of God before their
eyes? See, therefore, if in daily saying things like this you
are not trying to destroy the people of God dispersed throughout
the world, eating them up as it were bread.
Chap. xvi.—36. Petilianus said: "The Lord Christ also
warns us, saying, 'Beware of false prophets, which come unto
you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves;
and ye shall know them by their fruits.'"[732]
37. Augustine answered: If I were to inquire of you by
what fruits you know us to be ravening wolves, you are sure
to answer by charging us with the sins of other men, and these
such as were never proved against those who are said to have
been guilty of them. But if you should ask of me by what
fruits we know you rather to be ravening wolves, I bring
against you the charge of schism, which you will deny, but
which I will straightway go on to prove; for, as a matter of
fact, you do not communicate with all the nations of the earth,
nor with those Churches which were founded by the labour of
the apostles. Hereupon you will say, "I do not communicate
with traditors and murderers." The seed of Abraham answers
you, "These are those charges which you made, which are
either not true, or have no reference to me." But these I set
aside for the present; do you meanwhile show me the Church.
Now that voice will sound in my ears which the Lord
showed was to be avoided in the false prophets who made
a show of their several parties, and strove to estrange men
from the Catholic Church, "Lo, here is Christ, or there." But
do you think that the true sheep of Christ are so utterly destitute
of sense, who are told, "Believe it not,"[733] that they will
hearken to the wolf when he says, "Lo, here is Christ," and
will not hearken to the Shepherd when He says, "Throughout
all nations, beginning at Jerusalem?"
Chap. xvii.—38. Petilianus said: "Thus, thus, thou
wicked persecutor, under whatsoever cloak of righteousness
thou hast concealed thyself, under whatsoever name of peace
thou wagest war with kisses, under whatsoever title of unity
thou endeavourest to ensnare the race of men,—thou, who up
to this time art cheating and deceiving, thou art the true son
of the devil, showing thy parentage by thy character."
39. Augustine answered: Consider in reply that these
things have been said by us against you; and that you may
know to which of us they are more appropriate, call to mind
what I have said before.
Chap. xviii.—40. Petilianus said: "Nor is it, after all, so
strange that you assume to yourself the name of bishop without
authority. This is the true custom of the devil, to choose in
preference a mode of deceiving by which he usurps to himself
a word of holy meaning, as the apostle declares to us: 'And no
marvel,' he says; 'for Satan himself is transformed into an
angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers
also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness.'[734] Nor is it
therefore a marvel if you falsely call yourself a bishop. For even
those fallen angels, lovers of the maidens of the world, who were
corrupted by the corruption of their flesh, though, from having
stripped themselves of divine excellence, they have ceased to be
angels, yet retain the name of angels, and always esteem themselves
as angels, though, being released from the service of God,
they have passed from the likeness of their character into the
army of the devil, as the great God declares, 'My spirit shall
not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.'[735] To
those guilty ones and to you the Lord Christ will say, 'Depart
from me, ye cursed ones, into everlasting fire, prepared for the
devil and his angels.'[736] If there were no evil angels, the devil
would have no angels; of whom the apostle says, that in the
judgment of the resurrection they shall be condemned by the
saints: 'Know ye not,' says he, 'that we shall judge angels?'[737]
If they were true angels, men would not have authority to
judge the angels of God. So too those sixty apostles, who,
when the twelve were left alone with the Lord Christ, departed
in apostasy from the faith, are so far yet considered among
wretched men to be apostles, that from them Manichæus and
the rest entangle many souls in many devilish sects which
they destroyed[738] that they might take them in their snares.
For indeed the fallen Manichæus, if fallen he was, is not to
be reckoned among those sixty, if it be that we can find his
name as an apostle among the twelve, or if he was ordained
by the voice of Christ when Matthias was elected into the
place of the traitor Judas, or another thirteenth like Paul, who
calls himself the last[739] of the apostles, expressly that any one
who was later than himself might not be held to be an apostle.
For these are his words: 'For I am the last of the apostles,
that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted
the Church of God.'[740] And do not flatter yourselves in this:
he was a Jew that had done this. You too, as Gentiles, may
work destruction upon us. For you carry on war without
licence, against whom we may not fight in turn. For you
desire to live when you have murdered us; but our victory is
either to escape or to be slain."
41. Augustine answered: See how you have quoted the
testimony of holy Scripture, or how you have understood it,
when it has no bearing at all upon the present point at issue.
For all that you have brought forward was simply said to
prove that there are false bishops, just as there are false angels
and false apostles. Now we too know quite well that there are
false angels and false apostles, and, as the true apostle says, false
brethren also;[741] but, seeing that charges such as yours may be
brought by either side against the other, what is required is
a certain degree of proof, and not mere empty words. But
if you would see to which of us the charge of falseness more
truly applies, recall to mind what we have said before, and
you will see it there set forth, that we may not become tedious
to our readers by repeating the same thing over and over
again. And yet how is the Church dispersed throughout the
world affected either by what you may have found to say
about its chaff, which is mixed with it throughout the whole
world; or by what you said of Manichæus and the other
devilish sects? For if the wheat is not affected by anything
which is said even about the chaff which is still mingled with
it, how much less are the members of Christ dispersed
throughout the whole world affected by monstrosities[742] which
have been so long and so openly separated from it?[743]
Chap. xix.—42. Petilianus said: "The Lord Jesus Christ
commands us, saying, 'When they persecute you in this city,
flee ye into another; and if they persecute you in that, flee
yet into a third; for verily I say unto you, ye shall not have
gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.'[744]
If He gives us this warning in the case of Jews and pagans,
you who call yourself a Christian ought not to imitate the
dreadful deeds of the Gentiles. Or do you serve God in such
wise that we should be murdered at your hands? You do
err, you do err, if you are wretched enough to entertain such a
belief as this. For God does not have butchers for His priests."
43. Augustine answered: To flee from one state to another
from the face of persecution has not been enjoined as precept
or permission on heretics or schismatics, such as you are; but
it was enjoined on the preachers of the gospel, whom you
resist. And this we may easily prove in this wise: you are
now in your own cities, and no man persecutes you. You
must therefore come forth, and give an account of your
separation. For it cannot be maintained that, as the weakness
of the flesh is excused when it yields before the violence
of persecution, so truth also ought to yield to falsehood.
Furthermore, if you are suffering persecution, why do you not
retire from the cities in which you are, that you may fulfil
the instructions which you quote out of the gospel? But if
you are not suffering persecution, why are you unwilling to
reply to us? Or if the fact be that you are afraid lest, when
you should have made reply, you then should suffer persecution,
in that case how are you following the example of those
preachers to whom it was said, "Behold, I send you forth as
sheep in the midst of wolves?" To whom it was also further
said, "Fear not them which kill the body, but are not
able to kill the soul."[745] And how do you escape the charge of
acting contrary to the injunction of the Apostle Peter, who
says, "Be ready always to give an answer to every man that
asketh you a reason of the faith and hope that is in you?"[746]
And, lastly, wherefore are you ever eager to annoy the Catholic
Churches by the most violent disturbances, whenever it is in
your power, as is proved by innumerable instances of simple
fact? Wherefore in such a case did you not hearken to the
voice of the Lord, when He says, "But I say unto you, that
ye resist not evil?"[747] Or, allowing that it is possible that in
some cases it should be right for violent men to be resisted
by bodily force, and that it does not violate the precept which
we receive from the Lord, "But I say unto you, that ye resist
not evil," why may it not also be that a pious man should
eject an impious man, or a just man him that is unjust, in
the exercise of duly and lawfully constituted authority, from
seats which are unlawfully usurped, or retained to the despite
of God? For you would not say that the false prophets
suffered persecution at the hands of Elijah, in the same sense
that Elijah suffered persecution from the wickedest of kings?[748]
Or that because the Lord was scourged by His persecutors,
therefore those whom He Himself drove out of the temple
with scourges are to be put in comparison with His sufferings?
It remains, therefore, that we should acknowledge that there
is no other question requiring solution, except whether you
have been pious or impious in separating yourselves from the
communion of the whole world. For if it shall be found
that you have acted impiously, you would not be surprised if
there should be no lack of ministers of God by whom you
might be scourged, seeing that you suffer persecution not from
us, but as it is written, from their own abominations.[749]
Chap. xx.—44. Petilianus said: "The Lord Christ cries
again from heaven to Paul, 'Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou
me? It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.'[750] He
was then called Saul, that he might afterwards receive his true
name in baptism. But for you it is not hard so often to persecute
Christ in the persons of His priests, though the Lord
Himself cries out, 'Touch not mine anointed.'[751] Reckon up
all the deaths of the saints, and so often have you murdered
Christ, who lives in each of them.[752] Lastly, if you are not
guilty of sacrilege, then a saint cannot be a murderer."
45. Augustine answered: Defend yourselves from the
charge of the persecution which those men suffered at the
hands of your party who separated themselves from you with
the followers of Maximianus, and therein you will find our
defence. For if you say that you committed no such deeds,
we simply read to you the records of the proconsular province
and the state. If you say that you were right in persecuting
them, why are you unwilling to suffer the like yourselves?
If you say, "But we caused no schism," then let this be
inquired into, and, till it is decided whether it be so or not,
let no one make accusation against persecutors. If you say
that even schismatics ought not to have suffered persecution, I
ask whether it is also the case that they ought not to have been
driven out of the basilicas, in which they lay snares for the
leading astray of the weak, even though it were done by duly
constituted authorities? If you say that this also should not
have been done, first restore the basilicas to the followers of
Maximianus, and then discuss the point with us. If you say
that it was right, then see what they ought to suffer at the
hands of duly constituted authority, who, in resisting it, "resist
the ordinance of God." Wherefore the apostle expressly says,
"For he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister
of God, a revenger to execute wrath on him that doeth evil."[753]
But even if this had been discovered after the truth had been
searched out with all diligence, that not even after public
trial ought schismatics to undergo any punishment, or be
driven from the positions which they have occupied, for their
treachery and deceit; and if you should say that you are
vexed that the followers of Maximianus should have suffered
such conduct at the hands of some of you,—why does not the
wheat of the Lord cry out with the more freedom from the whole
field of the Lord, that is, from the world, and say, Neither are
we at all affected by what the tares and the chaff amongst
us do, seeing that it is contrary to our wish? If you confess
that it is sufficient to clear you of responsibility, that all the
evil that is done by men of your party is done in opposition
to your wishes, why then have you separated yourselves?
For if your reason for not separating from the unrighteous
among the party of Donatus is that each man bears his own
burden, why have you separated yourselves from those throughout
the world whom you think, or profess to think, to be unrighteous?
Is it that you might all share equally in bearing
the burden of schism?
46. And when we ask of you which of your party you
can prove to have been slain by us, I indeed can remember
no law issued by the emperors to the effect that you should
be put to death. Those indeed whose deaths you quote most
frequently to bring us into odium, Marculus and Donatus, present
a great question,—whether they threw themselves down
a precipice, as your teaching does not hesitate to encourage
by examples of daily occurrence, or whether they were
thrown down by the true command of some authority. For
if it is a thing incredible that the leaders of the Circumcelliones
should have wrought upon themselves a death in accordance
with their custom, how much more incredible it is
that the Roman authorities should have been able to condemn
them to a punishment at variance with custom! Accordingly,
in considering this matter, which you think excessive
in its hatefulness, supposing what you say is true, what is
there in it which bears upon the Lord's wheat? Let the
chaff which flew away outside accuse the chaff which yet
remained within; for it is not possible that it should all be
separated till the winnowing at the last day. But if what
you say is false, what wonder is it if, when the chaff is
carried away as it were by a light blast of dissension, it even
attacks the wheat of the Lord with false accusations? Wherefore,
on the consideration of all such odious accusations, the
wheat of Christ, which is ordered to grow together with the
tares throughout the field, that is, throughout the whole
world, makes this answer to you with a free and fearless
voice: If you cannot prove what you say, it has no application
to any one; and if you prove it, it yet does not apply to
me. The result of which is, that whosoever has separated
himself from the unity of the wheat on account of the offences
chargeable against the tares, or against the chaff, is unable to
defend himself from the charge of murder which is involved
in the mere offence of dissension and schism, as the Scripture
says, "Whoso hateth his brother is a murderer."[754]
Chap. xxi.—47. Petilianus said: "Accordingly, as we have
said, the Lord Christ cried, 'Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou
me? It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And
he said, Who art Thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus
of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. And he, trembling and
astonished, said, Lord, what wilt Thou have me to do? And
the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it
shall be told thee what thou must do.' And so presently it
goes on, 'But Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes
were opened, he saw no man.' See here how blindness,
coming in punishment of madness, obscures the light in the
eyes of the persecutor, not to be again expelled except by
baptism! Let us see, therefore, what he did in the city.
'Ananias,' it is said, 'entered into the house to Saul, and
putting his hands on him, said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even
Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest,
hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be
filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from
his eyes as it had been scales; and he received sight forthwith,
and arose, and was baptized.'[755] Seeing therefore that
Paul, being freed by baptism from the offence of persecution,
received again his eyesight freed from guilt, why will not
you, a persecutor and traditor, blinded by false baptism, be
baptized by those whom you persecute?"
48. Augustine answered: You do not prove that I, whom
you wish to baptize afresh, am either a persecutor or a traditor.
And if you prove this charge against any one, yet the persecutor
and traditor is not to be baptized afresh, if he has been
baptized already with the baptism of Christ. For the reason
why it was necessary that Paul should be baptized was that
he had never been washed in any baptism of the kind.
Therefore what you have chosen to insert about Paul has no
point of resemblance with the case which you are arguing
with us. But if you had not inserted this, you would have
found no place for your childish declamation, "See how blindness
comes in punishment of madness, not to be again expelled
except by baptism!" For with how much more force
might one exclaim against you, See how blindness comes in
punishment of madness, which, finding its similitude in
Simon, not in Paul, is not expelled from you even when you
have received baptism? For if persecutors ought to be baptized
by those whom they persecute, then let Primianus be
baptized by the followers of Maximianus, whom he persecuted
with the utmost eagerness.
Chap. xxii.—49. Petilianus said: "It may be urged that
Christ said to His apostles, as you are constantly quoting
against us, 'He that is washed needeth not save to wash his
feet, but is clean every whit.' Now if you discuss those words
in all their fulness, you are bound by what immediately follows.
For this is what He said, in His very words: 'He that
is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean
every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. For He knew
who should betray Him; therefore said He, Ye are not all
clean.'[756] Whosoever, therefore, has incurred the guilt of
treason, has forfeited, like you, his baptism. Again, after
that the betrayer of Christ had himself been condemned, He
thus more fully confirmed His words to the eleven apostles:
'Now are ye clean through the word which I have spoken
unto you. Abide in me, and I in you.'[757] And again He said
to these same eleven, 'Peace I leave with you, my peace I
give unto you.'[758] Seeing, then, that these things were said to
the eleven apostles, when the traitor, as we have seen, had
been condemned, you likewise, being traditors, are similarly
without both peace and baptism."
50. Augustine answered: If therefore every traditor has
forfeited his baptism, it will follow that every one who, having
been baptized by you, has afterwards become a traditor, ought
to be baptized afresh. And if you do not do this, you yourselves
sufficiently prove the falseness of the saying, "Whosoever
therefore has incurred the guilt of treason, has forfeited,
like you, his baptism." For if he has forfeited it, let him
return and receive it again; but if he returns and does not
receive it, it is clear that he had not forfeited it. Again, if
the reason why it was said to the apostles, "Now are ye
clean," and "My peace I give unto you," was that the traitor
had already left the room, then was not that supper of so
great a sacrament clean and able to give peace, which He distributed
to all before his going out? And if you venture to
say this with your eyes closed against the truth, what can we
do save exclaim the more, See how blindness comes in punishment
of the madness of those who wish to be, as the apostle
says, "teachers of the law, understanding neither what they
say, nor whereof they affirm?"[759] And yet, unless blindness
came in the way of their pertinacity, it was not a very difficult
matter that you should understand and see that the Lord
did not say in the presence of Judas, Ye are not yet clean,
but "Now are ye clean." He added, however, "But not all,"
because there was one there who was not clean; yet if he
had been polluting the others by his presence, it would not
have been declared to them, "Now are ye clean," but, as I
said before, Ye are not yet clean. But, after Judas had gone
out, He said to them, "Now are ye clean," and did not add
the words, But not all, because he had now departed in
whose presence indeed, as had been said to them, they were
already clean, but not all, because there was one there unclean.
Wherefore in these words the Lord rather declared that in
the one company of men receiving the same sacraments, the
uncleanness of some members cannot hurt the clean. Certainly,
if you think that there are among us men like Judas,
you might apply to us the words, "Ye are clean, but not all."
But this is not what you say; but you say that because of
the presence of some who are unclean, therefore we are all
unclean. This the Lord did not say to the disciples in the
presence of Judas, and therefore whoever says this has not
learned from the good Master what He says.
Chap. xxiii.—51. Petilianus said: "But if you say that
we give baptism twice over, truly it is rather you who do this,
who slay men who have been baptized; and this we do not
say because you baptize them, but because you cause each
one of them, by the act of slaying him, to be baptized in his
own blood. For the baptism of water or of the Spirit is as
it were doubled when the blood of the martyr is wrung from
him. And so our Saviour also Himself, after being baptized
in the first instance by John, declared that He must be baptized
again, not this time with water nor with the Spirit, but
with the baptism of blood, the cross of suffering, as it is
written, 'James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came unto
Him, saying, Master, we would that Thou shouldest do for us
whatsoever we shall desire. And He said unto them, What
would ye that I should do for you? They said unto Him,
Grant that we may sit, one on Thy right hand, and the other
on Thy left hand, in Thy glory. But Jesus said unto them,
Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I
drink of, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized
with? And they said unto Him, We can. And Jesus said
unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of;
and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be
baptized,'[760] and so forth. If these are two baptisms, you commend
us by your malice, we must needs confess. For when
you kill our bodies, then we do celebrate a second baptism;
but it is that we are baptized with our baptism and with
blood, like Christ. Blush, blush, ye persecutors. Ye make
martyrs like unto Christ, who are sprinkled with the baptism
of blood after the water of the genuine baptism."
52. Augustine answered: In the first place, we reply
without delay that we do not kill you, but you kill yourselves
by a true death, when you cut yourselves off from the living
root of unity. In the next place, if all who are killed are
baptized in their own blood, then all robbers, all unrighteous,
impious, accursed men, who are put to death by the sentence
of the law, are to be considered martyrs, because they are
baptized in their own blood. But if only those are baptized
in their own blood who are put to death for righteousness'
sake, since theirs is the kingdom of heaven,[761] you have
already seen that the first question is why you suffer, and only
afterwards should we ask what you suffer. Why therefore
do you puff out your cheeks before you have shown the
righteousness of your deeds? Why does your tongue resound
before your character is approved? If you have made a
schism, you are impious; if you are impious, you die as one
guilty of sacrilege, when you are punished for impiety; if
you die as one guilty of sacrilege, how are you baptized in
your blood? Or do you say, I have not made a schism?
Let us then inquire into this. Why do you make an outcry
before you prove your case?
53. Or do you say, Even if I am guilty of sacrilege, I ought
not to be slain by you? It is one question as to the enormity
of my action, which you never prove with any truth,
another as to the baptism of your blood, from whence you
derive your boast. For I never killed you, nor do you prove
that you are killed by any one. Nor even if you were to
prove it would it in any way affect me, whoever it was that
killed you, whether he did it justly in virtue of power lawfully
given by the Lord, or committed the crime of murder,
like the chaff of the Lord's harvest, through some evil desire;
just as you are in no way concerned with him who in recent
times, with an intolerable tyranny, attended even by a company
of soldiers, not because he feared any one, but that he
might be feared by all, oppressed widows, destroyed pupils,
betrayed the patrimonies of other men, annulled the marriages
of other men, contrived the sale of the property of the innocent,
divided the price of the property when sold with its
mourning owners. I should seem to be saying all this out of
the invention of my own head, if it were not sufficiently
obvious of whom I speak without the mention of his name.[762]
And if all this is undoubtedly true, then just as you are not
concerned with this, so neither are we concerned with anything
you say, even though it were true. But if that colleague of
yours, being really a just and innocent man, is maligned by a
lying tale, then should we also learn in no way to give credit
to reports, which have been spread abroad of innocent men, as
though they had delivered up the sacred books, or murdered
any of their fellow-men. To this we may add, that I refer to
a man who lived with you, whose birthday you were wont to
celebrate with such large assemblies, with whom you joined
in the kiss of peace in the sacraments, in whose hands you
placed the Eucharist, to whom in turn you extended your
hands to receive it from his ministering, whose ears, when
they were deaf amid the groanings of all Africa, you durst not
offend by free speech; for paying to whom, even indirectly, a
most witty compliment, by saying that in the Count[763] he had a
god for his companion, some one of your party was extolled
to the skies. But you reproach us with the deeds of men
with whom we never lived, whose faces we never saw, in
whose lifetime we were either boys, or perhaps as yet not
even born. What is the meaning, then, of your great unfairness
and perversity, that you should wish to impose on us the
burdens of those whom we never knew, whilst you will not
bear the burdens of your friends? "When thou sawest a
thief, then thou consentedst with him."[764] If he whom you
saw did not pollute you, why do you reproach me with one
whom I could not have seen? Or do you say, I did not consent
with him, because his deeds were displeasing to me?
But, at any rate, you went up to the altar of God with him.
Come now, if you would defend yourself, make a distinction
between your two positions, and say that it is one thing to
consent together for sin, as the two elders consented together
when they laid a plot against the chastity of Susannah, and
another thing to receive the sacrament of the Lord in company
with a thief, as the apostles received even that first
supper in company with Judas. I am all in favour of your
defence. But why do you not consider how much more
easily, in the course of your defence, you have acquitted all
the nations and boundaries of the earth, throughout which
the inheritance of Christ is dispersed? For if it was possible
for you to see a thief, and to share the sacraments with the
thief whom you saw, and yet not to share his sin, how much
less was it possible for the remotest nations of the earth to
have anything in common with the sins of African traditors
and persecutors, supposing your charges and assertions to be
true, even though they held the sacraments in common with
them? Or do you say, I saw in him the bishop, I did not
see in him the thief? Say what you will. I allow this defence
also, and in this the world is acquitted of the charges
which you brought against it. For if it was permitted you
to ignore the character of a man whom you knew, why
is the whole world not allowed to be ignorant of those it
never knew, unless, indeed, the Donatists are allowed to be
ignorant of what they do not wish to know, while the
nations of the earth may not be ignorant of what they cannot
know?
54. Or do you say, Theft is one thing, delivery of the sacred
books or persecution is another? I grant there is a difference,
nor is it worth while now to show wherein that difference
consists. But listen to the summary of the argument. If he
could not make you a thief, because his thieving was displeasing
in your sight, who can make men traditors or murderers to
whom such treachery or murder is abhorrent? First, then,
confess that you share in all the evil of Optatus, whom you
knew, and even so reproach me with any evil which was
found in those whom I knew not. And do not say to me,
But my charges are serious, yours but trifling. You must
first acknowledge them, however trifling they may be in your
case, not before I on my side confess the charges against me,
but before I can allow you to say these serious things about
me at all. Did Optatus, whom you knew, make you a thief
by being your colleague, or not? Answer me one or the
other. If you say he did not, I ask why he did not,—because
he was not a thief himself? or because you do not
know it? or because you disapprove of it? If you say, Because
he himself was not a thief, much more ought we not to
believe that those with whom you reproach us were of such a
character as you assert. For if we must not believe of
Optatus what both Christians and pagans and Jews, ay, and
what both our party and yours assert, how much less should
we believe what you assert of any one? But if you say, Because
you do not know it, all the nations of the earth answer
you, Much more do we not know of all that you reproach us
with in these men. But if you say, Because you disapproved
of it, they answer you with the same voice, Although you
have never proved the truth of what you say, yet acts like
these are viewed by us with disapproval. But if you say,
Lo, Optatus, whom I knew, made me a thief because he was
my colleague, and I was in the habit of going to the altar
with him when he committed those deeds; but I do not
greatly heed it, because the fault was trivial, but your party
made you a traditor and a murderer,—I answer that I do not
allow that I too am made a traditor and a murderer by the
sins of other men, just because you confess that you are made
a thief by the sin of another man; for it must be remembered
that you are proved a thief, not by our judgment, but by your
own confession. For we say that every man must bear his
own burden, as the apostle is our witness.[765] But you, of your
own accord, have taken the burden of Optatus on your own
shoulders, not because you committed the theft, or consented
to it, but because you declared your conviction that what
another did applied to you. For, as the apostle says, when
speaking of food, "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord
Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that
esteemeth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean;"[766]
by the same rule, it may be said that the sins of others cannot
implicate those who disapprove of them; but if any one
thinks that they affect him, then he is affected by them.
Wherefore you do not convict us of being traditors or murderers,
even though you were to prove something of the sort
against those who share the sacraments with us; but the
guilt of theft is fastened on you, even if you disapprove of
everything that Optatus did, not in virtue of our accusation,
but by your own decision. And that you may not think this
a trivial fault, read what the apostle says, "Nor shall thieves
inherit the kingdom of God."[767] But those who shall not
inherit the kingdom of God will certainly not be on His
right hand among those to whom it shall be said, "Come, ye
blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you
from the foundation of the world." If they are not there,
where will they be except on the left hand? Therefore
among those to whom it shall be said, "Depart from me, ye
cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his
angels."[768] In vain, therefore, do you indulge in your security,
thinking it a trivial fault which separates you from the kingdom
of God, and sends you into everlasting fire. How much
better will you do to betake yourself to true confusion, saying,
Every one of us shall bear his own burden, and the winnowing
fan at the last day shall separate the chaff from the wheat!
55. But it is evident that you are afraid of its being forthwith
said to you, "Why then, whilst you attempt to place on
some men's backs the burdens of their neighbours, have you
dared to separate yourselves from the Lord's corn, dispersed
throughout the world, before the winnowing at the last day?"
Accordingly, you who disapprove of the deeds of your party,
whilst you are taking precautions against being charged with
the schism which you all have made, are involving yourselves
also in their sins which you did not commit; and while the
shrewd Petilianus is afraid of my being able to say that I am
not such as he thinks Cæcilianus was, he is obliged to confess
that he himself is such as he knows Optatus to have been.
Or are you not such as the common voice of Africa proclaims
him to have been? Then neither are we such as those with
whom you reproach us are either suspected to have been by
your mistake, or calumniously asserted to have been by your
madness, or proved to have been by the truth. Much less is
the wheat of the Lord in all the nations of the earth of such
a character, seeing that it never heard the names of those of
whom you speak. There is therefore no reason why you
should perish in such sin of separation and such sacrilege of
schism. And yet, if you are made to suffer for this great
impiety by the judgment of God, you say that you are even
baptized in your blood; so that you are not content with feeling
no remorse for your division, but you must even glory in
your punishment.
Chap. xxiv.—56. Petilianus said: "But you will answer
that you abide by the same declaration, 'He that is once
washed needeth not save to wash his feet.'[769] Now the 'once'
is once that has authority, once that is confirmed by the
truth."
57. Augustine answered: Baptism in the name of the
Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost[770] has Christ for
its authority, not any man, whoever he may be; and Christ is
the truth, not any man.
Chap. xxv.—58. Petilianus said: "For when you in your
guilt perform what is false, I do not celebrate baptism twice,
which you have never celebrated once."
59. Augustine answered: In the first place, you do not
convict us of guilt. And if a guilty man baptizes with a false
baptism, then none of those have true baptism who are baptized
by men in your party, that are, I do not say openly,
but even secretly guilty. For if he who gives baptism gives
something that is God's, if he is already guilty in the sight of
God, how can he be giving something that is God's, if a guilty
man cannot give true baptism? But in reality you wait till
he is guilty in your sight as well, as though what he proposes
to confer were something that belonged to you.
Chap. xxvi.—60. Petilianus said: "For if you mix what
is false with what is true, falsehood often imitates the truth
by treading in its steps. Just in the same way a picture
imitates the true man of nature, depicting with its colours
the false resemblance of truth. And in the same way, too, the
brilliancy of a mirror catches the countenance, so as to represent
the eyes of him who gazes on it. In this way it presents
to each comer his own countenance, so that the very features
of the comer meet themselves in turn; and of such virtue is
the falsehood of a clear mirror, that the very eyes which see
themselves recognise themselves as though in some one else.
And even when a shadow stands before it, it doubles the reflection,
dividing its unity in great part through a falsehood.
Must we then hold that anything is true, because a lying
representation is given of it? But it is one thing to paint
a man, another to give birth to one. For does any one represent
fictitious children to a man who wishes for an heir? or
would any one look for true heirs in the falsehood of a picture?
Truly it is a proof of madness to fall in love with a
picture, letting go one's hold of what is true."
61. Augustine answered: Are you then really not
ashamed to call the baptism of Christ a lie, even when it is
found in the most false of men? Far be it from any one to
suppose that the wheat of the Lord, which has been commanded
to grow among the tares throughout the whole field,
that is, throughout the whole of this world, until the harvest,
that is, until the end of the world,[771] can have perished in consequence
of your evil words. Nay, even among the very
tares themselves, which are commanded not to be gathered,
but to be tolerated even to the end, and among the very chaff,
which shall only be separated from the wheat by the winnowing
at the last day,[772] does any one dare to say that any baptism
is false which is given and received in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost? Would you
say that those whom you depose from their office, whether as
your colleagues or your fellow-priests, on the testimony of
women whom they have seduced (since examples of this kind
are not wanting anywhere), were false or true before their
crime was proved against them? You will certainly answer,
False. Why then were they able both to have and to give
true baptism? Why did not their falseness as men corrupt
in them the truth of God? Is it not most truly written,
"For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee deceit?"[773] Seeing
then that the Holy Spirit fled from them, how came it that
the truth of baptism was in them, except because what
the Holy Spirit fled from was the falseness of man, not the
truth of the sacrament? Further, if even the deceitful have
the true baptism, how do they have it who possess it in truthfulness?
Whence you ought to observe that it is rather your
conversation which is coloured with childish pigments; and
accordingly, he who neglects the living Word to take pleasure
in such colouring is himself loving the picture in the place of
the reality.
Chap. xxvii.—62. Petilianus said: "It will be urged
against us, that the Apostle Paul said, 'One Lord, one faith,
one baptism.'[774] We profess that there is only one; for it is
certain that those who declare that there are two are mad."
63. Augustine replied: These words of yours are arguments
against yourselves; but in your madness you are not
aware of it. For the men who say there are two baptisms
are those who declare their opinion that the just and the
unjust have different baptisms; whereas it belongs neither to
one party nor the other, but in both of them is one, being
Christ's, although they themselves are not one: and yet the
baptism, which is one, the just have to salvation, the unjust
to their destruction.
Chap. xxviii.—64. Petilianus said: "But yet, if I may
be allowed the comparison, it is certain that the sun appears
double to the insane, although it only be that a dark blue
cloud often meets it, and its discoloured surface, being struck
by the brightness, while the rays of the sun are reflected from
it, seems to send forth as it were rays of its own. So in the
same way in the faith of baptism, it is one thing to seek for
reflections, another to recognise the truth."
65. Augustine answered: What are you saying, if I may
ask? When a dark blue cloud reflects the rays of the sun
with which it is struck, is it only to the insane, and not to all
who look on it, that there appear to be two suns? But when
it appears so to the insane as such, it appears to them alone.
But if I may say so without being troublesome, I would have
you take care lest saying such things and talking in such a
way should be itself a sign of madness. I suppose, however,
that what you meant to say was this,—that the just had the
truth of baptism, the unjust only its reflection. And if this
be so, I venture to say that the reflection was found in that
man of your party,[775] to whom not God, but a certain Count,[776]
was God; but that the truth was either in you or in him who
uttered the witty saying against Optatus, when he said that
"in the Count he had a god for his companion."[777] And distinguish
between those who were baptized by either of these,
and in the one party approve the true baptism, in the others
exclude the reflection, and introduce the truth.
Chap. xxix.—66. Petilianus said: "But to pass rapidly
through these minor points: can he be said to lay down the
law who is not a magistrate of the court? or is what he lays
down to be considered law, when in the character of a private
person he disturbs public rights? Is it not rather the case
that he not only involves himself in guilt, but is held to be a
forger, and that which he composes a forgery?"
67. Augustine answered: What if your private person,
whom you deem a forger, were to set forth to any one the
law of the emperor? Would not the man, when he had compared
it with the law of those who have the genuine law, and
found it to be identically the same, lay aside all care about
the source from which he had obtained it, and consider only
what he had obtained? For what the forger gives is false
when he gives it of his own falseness; but when something
true is given by any person, even though he be a forger, yet,
although the giver be not truthful, the gift is notwithstanding
true.
Chap. xxx.—68. Petilianus said: "Or if any one chance
to recollect the chants of a priest, is he therefore to be deemed
a priest, because with sacrilegious mouth he publishes the
strain of a priest?"
69. Augustine answered: In this question you are speaking
just as though we were at present inquiring what constituted
a true priest, not what constituted true baptism. For that a
man should be a true priest, it is requisite that he should be
clothed not with the sacrament alone, but with righteousness,
as it is written, "Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness."[778]
But if a man be a priest in virtue of the sacrament
alone, as was the high priest Caiaphas, the persecutor of the
one most true Priest, then even though he himself be not
truthful, yet what he gives is true, if he gives not what is his
own but what is God's; as it is said of Caiaphas himself,
"This spake he not of himself: but being high priest that
year, he prophesied."[779] And yet, to use the same simile
which you employed yourself: if you were to hear even from
any one that was profane the prayer of the priest couched in
the words suitable to the mysteries of the gospel, can you
possibly say to him, Your prayer is not true, though he himself
may be not only no true priest, but not a priest at all?
seeing that the Apostle Paul said that certain testimony of I
know not what Cretan prophet was true, though he was not
reckoned among the prophets of God; for he says, "One of
themselves, even a prophet of their own, said the Cretians are
always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies: this witness is true."[780]
If, therefore, the apostle even himself bore witness to the
testimony of some obscure prophet of a foreign race, because
he found it to be true, why do not we, when we find in any
one what belongs to Christ, and is true even though the man
with whom it may be found be deceitful and perverse, why
do not we in such a case make a distinction between the fault
which is found in the man, and the truth which he has not of
his own but of God's? and why do we not say, This sacrament
is true, as Paul said, "This witness is true?" Does it
at all follow that we say, The man himself also is truthful,
because we say, This sacrament is true? Just as I would ask
whether the apostle counted that prophet among the prophets
of the Lord, because he confirmed the truth of what he found
to be true in him. Likewise the same apostle, when he was
at Athens, perceived a certain altar among the altars of the
false gods, on which was the inscription, "To the unknown
God." And this testimony he made use of to build them up
in Christ, to the extent of quoting the inscription in his
sermon, and adding, "Whom, therefore, ye ignorantly worship,
Him declare I unto you." Did he, because he found that
altar either among the altars of idols, or set up by sacrilegious
hands, therefore condemn or reject what he found in it that
was true? or did he, because of the truth which he found
upon it, therefore persuade them that they ought also to follow
the sacrilegious practices of the pagans? Surely he did
neither of the two; but presently, when, as he judged fitting,
he wished to introduce to their knowledge the Lord Himself,
unknown to them, but known to him, he says among other
things, that "He is not far from every one of us: for in Him
we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your
own poets have said."[781] Can it be said that here also, because
he found among the sacrilegious the evidence of truth, he
either approved their wickedness because of the evidence,
or condemned the evidence because of their wickedness?
But it is unavoidable that you should be always in the
wrong, so long as you do despite to the sacraments of God
because of the faults of men, or think that we take upon ourselves
the sacrilege even of your schism, for the sake of the
sacraments of God, to which we are unwilling to do despite
in you.
Chap. xxxi.—70. Petilianus said: "'For there is no power
but of God,'[782] none in any man of power; as the Lord Jesus
Christ answered Pontius Pilate, 'Thou couldest have no power
at all against me, except it were given thee from above.'[783] And
again, in the words of John, 'A man can receive nothing, except
it be given him from heaven.'[784] Tell us, therefore, traditor,
when you received the power of imitating the mysteries."
71. Augustine answered: Tell us rather thyself when the
power of baptizing was lost by the whole world through which
is dispersed the inheritance of Christ, and by all that multitude
of nations in which the apostles founded the Churches.
You will never be able to tell us,—not only because you have
calumniated them, and do not prove them to be traditors, but
because, even if you did prove this, yet no guilt on the part
of any evil-doers, whether they be unsuspected, or deceitful,
or be tolerated as the tares or as the chaff, can possibly
overthrow the promises, so that all the nations of the earth
should not be blessed in the seed of Abraham; in which promises
you deprive them of their share when you will not have
the communion of unity with all nations of the earth.
Chap. xxxii.—72. Petilianus said: "For although there is
only one baptism, yet it is consecrated in three several grades.
John gave water without the name of the Trinity, as he declared
himself, saying, 'I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:
but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose
shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with
the Holy Ghost, and with fire.'[785] Christ gave the Holy Spirit,
as it is written, 'He breathed on them, and saith unto them,
Receive ye the Holy Ghost.'[786] And the Comforter Himself
came on the apostles as a fire burning with rustling flames.
O true divinity, which seemed to blaze, not to burn! as it is
written, 'And suddenly there came from heaven a sound as of
a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they
were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues,
like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were
all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other
tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.'[787] But you, O
persecutor, have not even the water of repentance, seeing that
you hold the power not of the murdered John, but of the
murderer Herod. You therefore, O traditor, have not the
Holy Spirit of Christ; for Christ did not betray others to death,
but was Himself betrayed. For you, therefore, the fire in the
spirit in Hades is full of life,—that fire which, surging with
hungry tongues of flame, will be able to burn your limbs to
all eternity without consuming them, as it is written of the
punishment of the guilty in hell, 'Neither shall their fire be
quenched.'"[788]
73. Augustine answered: You are the calumnious slanderer,
not the truthful arguer. Will you not at length cease
to make assertions of a kind which, if you do not prove them,
can apply to nobody; and even if you prove them, certainly
cannot apply to the unity of the whole world, which is in the
saints as in the wheat of God? If we too were pleased to
return calumnies for calumnies, we too might possibly be able
to give vent to eloquent slanders. We too might use the
expression, "With rustling flames;" but to me an expression
never sounds in any way eloquent which is inappropriate in
its use. We too might say, "Surging with hungry tongues of
flame;" but we do not wish that the tongues of flame in our
writings, when they are read by any one in his senses, should
be judged hungry for want of the sap of weightiness, or that
the reader himself, while he finds in them no food of useful
sentiments, should be left to suffer from the hunger of excessive
emptiness. See, I declare that your Circumcelliones are
burning, not with rustling but with headlong flames. If you
answer, What is that to us? why do not you, when you
reproach with any one whom you will, not listen in turn to
our answer, We too know nothing of it? If you answer, You
do not prove the fact, why may not the whole world answer
you in turn, Neither do you prove it? Let us agree therefore,
if you please, that you should not charge us with the guilt of
the wicked men whom you consider to belong to us, and that
we should abstain from similar charges against you. So you
will see, by this just agreement, confirmed and ratified, that
you have no charge which you can bring against the seed of
Abraham, as found in all the nations of the earth. But I find
without difficulty a grievous charge to bring against you: Why
have you impiously separated yourselves from the seed of
Abraham, which is in all nations of the earth? Against this
charge you certainly have no means whereby you may defend
yourselves. For we each of us clear ourselves of the sins of
other men; but this, that you do not hold communion with
all the nations of the earth, which are blessed in the seed of
Abraham, is a very grievous crime, of which not some but all
of you are guilty.
74. And yet you know, as you prove by your quotation,
that the Holy Spirit descended in such wise, that those who
were then filled with it spake with divers tongues: what was
the meaning of that sign and prodigy? Why then is the
Holy Spirit given now in such wise, that no one to whom it
is given speaks with divers tongues, except because that
miracle then prefigured that all nations of the earth should
believe, and that thus the gospel should be found to be in
every tongue? Just as it was foretold in the psalm so long
before: "There is no speech nor language where their voice
is not heard." This was said with reference to those men
who were destined, after receiving the Holy Spirit, to speak
with every kind of tongue. But because this passage itself
signified that the gospel should be found hereafter in all
nations and languages, and that the body of Christ should
sound forth throughout all the world in every tongue, therefore
he goes on to say, "Their sound is gone out throughout all
the earth, and their words to the ends of the world." Hence
it is that the true Church is hidden from no one. And hence
comes that which the Lord Himself says in the gospel, "A
city that is set on an hill cannot be hid."[789] And therefore
David continues in the same psalm, "In the sun hath He
placed His tabernacle," that is, in the open light of day; as
we read in the Book of Kings, "For thou didst it secretly;
but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun."[790]
And He Himself is "as a bridegroom coming out of His chamber,
and rejoiceth as a giant to run His race. His going forth
is from the end of heaven:" here you have the coming of the
Lord in the flesh. "And His circuit unto the ends of it:"
here you have His resurrection and ascension. "And there is
nothing hid from the heat thereof:"[791] here you have the coming
of the Holy Spirit, whom He sent in tongues of fire, that
He might make manifest the glowing heat of charity, which
he certainly cannot have who does not keep the unity of the
Spirit in the bond of peace with the Church, which is throughout
all languages.
75. Next, however, with regard to your statement that
there is indeed one baptism,[792] but that it is consecrated in
three several grades, and to your having distributed the three
forms of it to three persons after such fashion, that you
ascribe the water to John, the Holy Spirit to the Lord Jesus
Christ, and, in the third place, the fire to the Comforter sent
down from above,—consider for a moment in how great an
error you are involved. For you were brought to entertain such
an opinion simply from the words of John: "I indeed baptize
you with water: but He that cometh after me is mightier
than I: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with
fire."[793] Nor were you willing to take into consideration that
the three things are not attributed to three persons taken one
by one,—water to John, the Holy Spirit to Christ, fire to the
Comforter,—but that the three should rather be referred to
two persons—one of them to John, the other two to our
Lord. For neither is it said, I indeed baptize you with water:
but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes
I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the
Holy Ghost: and the Comforter, who is to come after Him,
He shall baptize you with fire; but "I indeed," He says,
"with water: but He that cometh after me with the Holy
Ghost, and with fire." One he attributes to himself, two to
Him that cometh after him. You see, therefore, how you
have been deceived in the number. Listen further. You said
that there was one baptism consecrated in three stages—water,
the Holy Spirit, and fire; and you assigned three persons to
the three stages severally—John to the water, Christ to the
Spirit, the Comforter to the fire. If, therefore, the water of
John bears reference to the same baptism which is commended
as being one, it was not right that those should have
been baptized a second time by the command of the Apostle
Paul whom he found to have been baptized by John. For they
already had water, belonging, as you say, to the same baptism;
so that it remained that they should receive the Holy Spirit
and fire, because these were wanting in the baptism of John,
that their baptism might be completed, being consecrated, as
you assert, in three stages. But since they were ordered to
be baptized by the authority of an apostle, it is sufficiently
made manifest that that water with which John baptized had
no reference to the baptism of Christ, but belonged to another
dispensation suited to the exigencies of the times.
76. Lastly, when you wished to prove that the Holy Spirit
was given by Christ, and had brought forward as a proof from
the gospel, that Jesus on rising from the dead breathed into
the face of His disciples, saying, "Receive ye the Holy
Ghost;"[794] and when you wished to prove that that last fire
which was named in connection with baptism was found in
the tongues of fire which were displayed on the coming of the
Holy Ghost, how came it into your head to say, "And the
Comforter Himself came upon the apostles as a fire burning
with rustling flames," as though there were one Holy Spirit
whom He gave by breathing on the face of His disciples, and
another who, after His ascension, came on the apostles? Are
we to suppose, therefore, that there are two Holy Spirits?
Who will be found so utterly mad as to assert this? Christ
therefore Himself gave the same Holy Spirit, whether by
breathing on the face of the disciples, or by sending Him
down from heaven on the day of Pentecost, with undoubted
commendation of His holy sacrament. Accordingly it was
not that Christ gave the Holy Spirit, and the Comforter gave
the fire, that the saying might be fulfilled, "With the Holy
Spirit, and with fire;" but the same Christ Himself gave the
Holy Spirit in both cases, making it manifest while He was
yet on earth by His breathing, and when He was ascended
into heaven by the tongues of flame. For that you may
know that the words of John, "He shall baptize you with
the Holy Ghost," were not fulfilled at the time when He
breathed on His disciples' face, so that they should require to
be baptized, when the Comforter should come, not with the
Spirit any longer, but with fire, I would have you remember
the most outspoken words of Scripture, and see what the Lord
Himself said to them when He ascended into heaven: "John
truly baptized you with water; but ye shall be baptized with
the Holy Ghost, whom ye shall receive not many days hence
at Pentecost."[795] What could be plainer than this testimony?
But, according to your interpretation, what He should have
said was this: John verily baptized you with water; but ye
were baptized with the Holy Spirit when I breathed on your
faces; and next in due order shall ye be baptized with fire,
which ye shall receive not many days hence;—in order that
by this means the three stages should be completed, in which
you say that the one baptism was consecrated. And so it
proves to be the case that you are still ignorant of the meaning
of the words, "He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost,
and with fire;" and you are rash enough to be willing to teach
what you do not know yourselves.
Chap. xxxiii.—77. Petilianus said: "But that I may
thoroughly investigate the baptism in the name of the Trinity,
the Lord Christ said to His apostles: 'Go ye, and baptize all
nations, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost; teaching them to observe all things whatsoever
I have commanded you.'[796] Whom do you teach, traditor?
Him whom you condemn? Whom do you teach, traditor?
Him whom you slay? Once more, whom do you teach? Him
whom you have made a murderer? How then do you baptize
in the name of the Trinity? You cannot call God your
Father. For when the Lord Christ said, 'Blessed are the
peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God,'[797]
you who have not peace at your heart cannot have God for
your Father. Or how, again, can you baptize in the name of
the Son, who betray that Son Himself, who do not imitate
the Son of God in any of His sufferings or crosses? Or how,
again, can you baptize in the name of the Holy Ghost, when
the Holy Ghost came only on those apostles who were not
guilty of treason? Seeing, therefore, that God is not your
Father, neither are you truly born again with the water of baptism.
No one of you is born perfectly. You in your impiety
have neither father nor mother. Seeing, then, that you are of
such a kind, ought I not to baptize you, even though you
wash yourselves a thousand times, after the similitude of the
Jews, who as it were baptize the flesh?"
78. Augustine answered: Certainly you had proposed
thoroughly to investigate the baptism in the name of the
Trinity, and you had set us to listen with much attention;
but following, as it would seem, what is the easiest course to
you, how soon have you returned to your customary abuse!
This you carry out with genuine fluency. For you set before
yourself what victims you please, against whom to inveigh with
whatsoever bitterness you please: in the midst of which vast
latitude of discourse you are driven into the greatest straits if
any one does but use the little word, Prove it. For this is what
is said to you by the seed of Abraham; and since in him all
nations of the earth are blessed, they care but little when
they are cursed by you. But yet, since you are treating of
baptism, which you consider to be true when it is found in a
just man, but false when it is found in the unjust, see how
I too, if I were to investigate baptism in the name of the
Trinity according to your rule, might say, with great fulness,
as it seems to me, that he has not God for his father who
in a Count has God for his companion,[798] nor believes that
any is his Christ, save him for whose sake he has endured
suffering; and that he has not the Holy Ghost who burned
the wretched Africa in so very different a fashion with tongues
of fire. How then can they have baptism, or how can they
administer it in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost? Surely you must now perceive that
baptism can exist in an unrighteous man, and be administered
by an unrighteous man, and that no unrighteous baptism, but
such as is just and true,—not because it belongs to the
unrighteous man, but because it is of God. And herein I
am uttering no calumny against you, as you never cease to
do, on some pretence or other, against the whole world; and,
what is even more intolerable, you do not even bring any
proof about the very points on which you found your
calumnies. But I know not how this can possibly be
endured, because you not only bring calumnies against holy
men about unrighteous men, but you even bring a charge
against the holy baptism itself, which must needs be holy in
any man, however unrighteous he may be, from a comparison
with the infection arising from the sins of wicked men, so
that you say that baptism partakes of the character of him
by whom it is possessed, or administered, or received. Furthermore,
if a man partakes of the character of him in whose
company he approaches sacred mysteries, and if the sacraments
themselves partake of the character of the men in
whom they are, holy men may well be satisfied to find consolation
in the thought that they only fare like holy baptism
itself in hearing false accusations from your lips. But it would
be well for you to see how you are condemned out of your own
mouths, if both the sober among you are counted as drunken
from the infection of the drunken in your ranks, and the
merciful among you become robbers from the infection of the
robbers, and whatever evil is found among you in the persons
of wicked men is perforce shared by those who are not
wicked; and if baptism itself is unclean in all of you who
are unclean, and if it is of different kinds according to the
varying character of uncleanness itself, as it must be if it is
perforce of the same character as the man by whom it is
possessed or administered. These suppositions most undoubtedly
are false; and accordingly they in no wise injure us,
when you bring them forward against us without looking back
upon yourselves. But they do injure you, because, when you
bring them forward falsely, they do not fall on us; but, since
you imagine them to be true, they recoil upon yourselves.
Chap. xxxiv.—79. Petilianus said: "For if the apostles
were allowed to baptize those whom John had washed with the
baptism of repentance, shall it not likewise be allowed to me
to baptize men guilty of sacrilege like yourselves?"
80. Augustine answered: Where then is what you said
above, that there was not one baptism of John and another
of Christ, but that there was one baptism, consecrated in three
stages, of which three stages John gave the water, Christ the
Spirit, and the Comforter the fire? Why then did the apostles
repeat the water in the case of those to whom John had
already administered water belonging to the one baptism
which is consecrated in three stages? Surely you must see
how necessary it is that every one should understand the
meaning of what he is discussing.
Chap. xxxv.—81. Petilianus said: "Nor indeed will it
be possible that the Holy Spirit should be implanted in the
heart of any one by the laying on of the hands of the priest,
unless the water of a pure conscience has gone before to give
him birth."
82. Augustine answered: In these few words of yours
two errors are involved; and one of them, indeed, has no
great bearing on the question which is being discussed between
us, but yet it helps to convict you of want of skill. For the
Holy Spirit came upon a hundred and twenty men, without
the laying on of any person's hands, and again upon Cornelius
the centurion and those who were with him, even
before they were baptized.[799] But the second error in these
words of yours entirely overthrows your whole case. For
you say that the water of a pure conscience must necessarily
precede to give new birth, before the Holy Spirit can follow on
it. Accordingly, either all the water consecrated in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is water
of a pure conscience, not for the merits of those by whom it
is administered, or by whom it is received, but in virtue of
the stainless merits of Him who instituted this baptism; or
else, if only a pure conscience on the part both of the ministrant
and the recipient can produce the water of a pure conscience,
what do you make of those whom you find to have
been baptized by men who bore a conscience stained with as
yet undiscovered guilt, especially if there exist among the said
baptized persons any one who should confess that he at the
time when he was baptized had a bad conscience, in that he
might possibly have desired to use that opportunity for the
accomplishment of some sinful act? When, therefore, it shall
be made clear to you that neither the man who administered
baptism, nor the man who received it, had a pure conscience,
will you give your judgment that he ought to be baptized afresh?
You will assuredly neither say nor do anything of the sort.
The purity therefore of baptism is entirely unconnected with
the purity or impurity of the conscience either of the giver
or the recipient. Will you therefore dare to say that the
deceiver, or the robber, or the oppressor of the fatherless and
widows, or the sunderer of marriages, or the betrayer, the
seller, the divider of the patrimony of other men,[800] was a man
of pure conscience? Or will you further dare to say that
those were men of pure conscience, whom it is hard to imagine
wanting in such times,—men who made interest with the man
I have described, that they might be baptized, not for the sake
of Christ, nor for the sake of eternal life, but to conciliate
earthly friendships, and to satisfy earthly desires? Further,
if you do not venture to say that these were men of pure
conscience, then if you find any of their number who have been
baptized, give to them the water of a pure conscience, which
they as yet have not received; and if you will not do this,
then leave off casting in our teeth a matter which you do not
understand, lest you should be forced to answer in reply to us
about a matter which you know full well.
Chap. xxxvi.—83. Petilianus said: "Which Holy Spirit
certainly cannot come on you, who have not been washed even
with the baptism of repentance; but the water of the traditor,
which most truly needs to be repented of, does but work
pollution."
84. Augustine answered: As a matter of fact, not only
do you not prove us to be traditors, but neither did your
fathers prove that our fathers were guilty of that sin; though,
even if that had been proved, the consequence would have
been that they would not be our fathers, according to your
earlier assertion, seeing that we had not followed their deeds:
yet neither should we on their account be severed from the
companionship of unity, and from the seed of Abraham, in
which all nations of the earth are blessed.[801] However, if the
water of Christ be one thing, and the water of the traditor
another, because Christ was not a traditor, why should not
the water of Christ be one thing, and the water of a robber
another, since certainly Christ was not a robber? Do you
therefore baptize again after baptism by your robber, and I
will baptize again after the traditor, who is neither mine nor
yours; or, if one must believe the documents which are produced,
who is both mine and yours; or, if we are to believe
the communion of the whole world rather than the party of
Donatus, who is not mine, but yours. But, by a better and a
sounder judgment, because it is according to the words of the
apostle, every one of us shall bear his own burden;[802] nor is
either that robber yours, if you are not yourselves robbers;
nor does any traditor belong to any one either of us or you,
who is not himself a traditor. And yet we are Catholics,
who, following the spirit of that judgment, do not desert the
unity of the Church; but you are heretics, who, on account
of charges, whether true or false, which you have brought
against certain men, are unwilling to maintain Christian
charity with the seed of Abraham.
Chap. xxxvii.—85. Petilianus said: "But that the truth
of this may be made manifest from the apostles, we are
taught by their actions, as it is written: 'It came to pass that,
while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul, having passed through
the upper coasts, came to Ephesus: and finding there certain
disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy
Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have
not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized?
And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John
verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto
the people, that they should believe on Him which should come
after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this,
they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when
Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on
them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And
all the men were about twelve.'[803] If, therefore, they were
baptized that they might receive the Holy Ghost, why do not
you, if you wish to receive the Holy Ghost, take measures to
obtain a true renewing, after your falsehoods? And if we
do ill in urging this, why do you seek after us? or, at any
rate, if it is an offence, condemn Paul in the first instance;
which Paul certainly washed off what had already existed,
whereas we in you give baptism which as yet does not exist.
For you do not, as we have often said before, wash with a
true baptism; but you bring on men an ill repute by your
empty name of a false baptism."
86. Augustine answered: We bring no accusation against
Paul, who gave to men the baptism of Christ because they
had not the baptism of Christ, but the baptism of John,
according to their own reply; for, being asked, Unto what
were ye baptized? they answered, Unto John's baptism; which
has nothing to do with the baptism of Christ, and is neither
a part of it nor a step towards it. Otherwise, either at that
time the water of the baptism of Christ was renewed a second
time, or if the baptism of Christ was then made perfect by
the two waters, the baptism is less perfect which is given now,
because it is not given with the water which was given at
the hands of John. But either one of these opinions it is
impious and sacrilegious to entertain. Therefore Paul gave
the baptism of Christ to those who had not the baptism of
Christ, but only the baptism of John.
87. But why the baptism of John, which is not necessary
now, was necessary at that time, I have already explained;
and the question has no bearing on the point at issue between
us at the present time, except so far as that it may appear
that the baptism of John was one thing, the baptism of Christ
another,—just as that baptism was a different thing with
which the apostle says that our fathers were baptized in the
cloud and in the sea, when they passed through the Red Sea
under the guidance of Moses.[804] For the law and the prophets
up to the time of John the Baptist had sacraments which
foreshadowed things to come; but the sacraments of our time
bear testimony that that has come already which the former
sacraments foretold should come. John therefore was a foreteller
of Christ nearer to Him in time than all who went before him.
And because all the righteous men and prophets of former times
desired to see the fulfilment of what, through the revelation
of the Spirit, they foresaw would come to pass,—whence also
the Lord Himself says, "That many prophets and righteous
men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have
not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and
have not heard them,"[805]—therefore it was said of John that
he was more than a prophet, and that among all that were
born of women there was none greater than he;[806] because to
the righteous men who went before him it was only granted
to foretell the coming of Christ, but to John it was given
both to foretell Him in His absence and to behold His presence,
so that it should be found that to him was made manifest
what the others had desired. And therefore the sacrament
of his baptism is still connected with the foretelling of Christ's
coming, though as of something very soon to be fulfilled,
seeing that up to his time there were still foretellings of the
first coming of our Lord, of which coming we have now
announcements, but no longer predictions. But the Lord,
teaching the way of humility, condescended to make use of
the sacraments which He found here in reference to the foretelling
of His coming, not in order to assist the operation of
His cleansing, but as an example for our piety, that so He
might show to us with what reverence we ought to receive those
sacraments which bear witness that He is already come, when
He did not disdain to make use of those which foreshadowed
His coming in the future. And John, therefore, though the
nearest to Christ in point of time, and within one year of the
same age with Him, yet, while he was baptizing, went before
the way of Christ who was still to come; for which reason it
was said of him, "Behold, I send my messenger before Thy
face, which shall prepare Thy way before Thee."[807] And he himself
preached, saying, "There cometh one mightier than I after
me."[808] In like manner, therefore, the circumcision on the
eighth day, which was given to the patriarchs, foretold our
justification, to the putting away of carnal lusts through the
resurrection of our Lord, which took place after the seventh
day, which is the Sabbath-day, on the eighth, that is, the
Lord's day, which fell on the third day after His burial;
yet the infant Christ received the same circumcision of the
flesh, with its prophetic signification. And as the Passover,
which was celebrated by the Jews with the slaying of a lamb,
prefigured the passion of our Lord and His departure from
this world to the Father, yet the same Lord celebrated the
same Passover with His disciples, when they reminded Him
of it, saying, Where wilt Thou that we prepare for Thee to
eat the Passover?[809] so too He Himself also received the
baptism of John, which formed a part of the latest foretelling
of His coming. But as the Jews' circumcision of the flesh is
one thing, and the ceremony which we observe on the eighth
day after persons are baptized is another;[810] and the Passover
which the Jews still celebrate with the slaying of a lamb is
one thing,[811] and that which we receive in the body and blood
of our Lord is another,—so the baptism of John was one thing,
the baptism of Christ is another. For by the former series
of rites the latter were foretold as destined to arrive; by
these latter the others are declared to be fulfilled. And even
though Christ received the others, yet are they not necessary
for us, who have received the Lord Himself who was foretold
in them. But when the coming of our Lord was as yet
recent, it was necessary for any one who had received the
former that he should be imbued with the latter also; but it
was wholly needless that any one who had been so imbued
should be compelled to go back to the former rites.
88. Wherefore do not seek to raise confusion out of the
baptism of John, the source and intention of which was
either such as I have here set forth; or if any other better
explanation of it can be given, this much still is clear, that
the baptism of John and the baptism of Christ are two distinct
and separate things, and that the former was expressly
called the baptism of John, as is clear both from the answer
of those men whose case you quoted, and from the words of
our Lord Himself, when He says, "The baptism of John,
whence was it? from heaven, or of men?"[812] But the latter
is never called the baptism of Cæcilianus, or of Donatus, or
of Augustine, or of Petilianus, but the baptism of Christ.
For if you think that we are shameless, because we will not
allow that any one should be baptized after baptism from us,
although we see that men were baptized again who had received
the baptism of John, who certainly is incomparably
greater than ourselves, will you maintain that John and
Optatus were of equal dignity? The thing appears ridiculous.
And yet I fancy that you do not hold them to be
equals, but consider Optatus the greater of the two. For
the apostle baptized after baptism by John: you venture to
baptize no one after baptism by Optatus. Was it because
Optatus was in unity with you? I know not with what
heart a theory like this can be maintained, if the friend of
the Count,[813] who had in the Count a god for his companion,
is said to have been in unity, and the friend of the Bridegroom
to have been excluded from it. But if John was pre-eminently
in unity, and far more excellent and greater than
all of us and all of you, and yet the Apostle Paul baptized
after him, why do you then not baptize after Optatus?
Unless indeed it be that your blindness brings you into such
a strait that you should say that Optatus had the power of
giving the Holy Spirit, and that John had not! And if you
do not say this, for fear of being ridiculed for your madness
even by the insane themselves, what answer will you be able
to make when you are asked why men should have required
to be baptized after receiving baptism from John, while no
one needs to be baptized after receiving it from Optatus,
unless it be that the former were baptized with the baptism
of John, while, whenever any one is baptized with the baptism
of Christ, whether he be baptized by Paul or by Optatus,
there is no difference in the nature of his baptism, though
there is so great a difference between Paul and Optatus?
Return then, O ye transgressors, to a right mind,[814] and do not
seek to weigh the sacraments of God by considerations of the
characters and deeds of men. For the sacraments are holy
through Him to whom they belong; but when taken in hand
worthily, they bring reward, when unworthily, judgment.
And although the men are not one who take in hand the
sacrament of God worthily or unworthily, yet that which is
taken in hand, whether worthily or unworthily, is the same;
so that it does not become better or worse in itself, but only
turns to the life or death of those who handle it in either
case. And in respect of what you said, that "in those whom
Paul baptized after they had received the baptism of John, he
washed off what had already existed," you certainly would not
have said it had you taken a moment to consider what you
were saying. For if the baptism of John required washing
off, it must, beyond all doubt, have had some foulness in it.
Why then should I press you further? Recollect or read, and
see whence John received it, so shall you see against whom you
have uttered that blasphemy; and when you have discovered
this, your heart will surely be beaten, if a rein be not set
on your tongue.
89. To come next to what you think you say against us
with so much point: "If we do ill in urging this, why do
you seek after us?" cannot you even yet call to mind that
only those are sought after who have perished? Or is the
incapacity for seeing this an element in your ruin? For the
sheep might say to the shepherd with equal absurdity, If I do
wrong in straying from the flock, why do you search after me?
not understanding that the very reason why it is being sought
is because it thinks there is no need for seeking it. But who
is there that seeks for you, either through His Scriptures, or
by catholic and conciliatory voices, or by the scourgings of
temporal afflictions, save only Him who dispenses that mercy
to you in all things? We therefore seek you that we may
find you; for we love you that you should have life, with the
same intensity with which we hate your error, that it might
be destroyed which seeks to ruin you, so long as it is not
itself involved in your destruction. And would to God that
we might seek you in such a manner as even to find, and be
able to say with rejoicing of each one of you, "He was dead,
and is alive again; he was lost, and is found!"[815]
Chap. xxxviii.—90. Petilianus said: "If you declare that
you hold the Catholic Church, the word 'catholic' is merely the
Greek equivalent for entire or whole. But it is clear that you
are not in the whole, because you have gone aside into the part."
91. Augustine answered: I too indeed have attained to a
very slight knowledge of the Greek language, scarcely to be
called knowledge at all, yet I am not shameless in saying
that I know that ολον means not "one," but "the whole;"
and that καθ' ολον means "according to the whole:" whence
the Catholic Church received its name, according to the
saying of the Lord, "It is not for you to know the times and
the seasons, which the Father hath put in His own power.
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come
upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem,
and in Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost
part of the earth."[816] Here you have the origin of the name
"Catholic." But you are so bent upon running with your
eyes shut against the mountain which grew out of a small
stone, according to the prophecy of Daniel, and filled the
whole earth,[817] that you actually tell us that we have gone aside
into a part, and are not in the whole among those whose communion
is spread throughout the whole earth. But just in
the same way as, supposing you were to say that I was Petilianus,
I should not be able to find any method of refuting
you unless I were to laugh at you as being in jest, or mourn
over you as being mad, so in the present case I see that I
have no other choice but this; and since I do not believe that
you are in jest, you see what alternative remains.
Chap. xxxix.—92. Petilianus said: "But there is no
fellowship of darkness with light, nor any fellowship of bitterness
with the sweet of honey; there is no fellowship of life
with death, of innocence with guilt, of water with blood; the
lees have no fellowship with oil, though they are related to
it as being its dregs, but everything that is reprobate will
flow away. It is the very sink of iniquity; according to the
saying of John, 'They went out from us, but they were not
of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have
continued with us.'[818] There is no gold among their pollution:
all that is precious has been purged away. For it is written,
'As gold is tried in the furnace, so also are the just tried by
the harassing of tribulation.'[819] Cruelty is not a part of gentleness,
nor religion a part of sacrilege; nor can the party of
Macarius in any way be part of us, because he pollutes the
likeness of our rite. For the enemy's line, which fills up an
enemy's name, is no part of the force to which it is opposed;
but if it is truly to be called a part, it will find a suitable
motto in the judgment of Solomon, 'Let their part be cut off
from the earth.'"[820]
93. Augustine answered: What is it but sheer madness
to utter these taunts without proving anything? You look at
the tares throughout the world, and pay no heed to the wheat,
although both have been bidden to grow together throughout
the whole of it. You look at the seed sown by the wicked
one, which shall be separated in the time of harvest,[821] and you
pay no heed to the seed of Abraham, in which all nations of
the earth shall be blessed.[822] Just as though you were already
a purged mass, and virgin honey, and refined oil, and pure
gold, or rather the very similitude of a whited wall. For, to
say nothing of your other faults, do the drunken form a portion
of the sober, or are the covetous reckoned among the
portion of the wise? If men of gentle temper appropriate
the term of light, where shall the madness of the Circumcelliones
be esteemed to be, excepting in the darkness? Why
then is baptism, given by men like these, held valid among
you, and the same baptism of Christ not held valid, by whatsoever
men it may be administered throughout the world?
You see, in fact, that you are separated from the communion
of the whole world in so far as this, that you are not indeed
all drunk, nor all of you covetous, nor all men of violence,
but that you are all heretics, and, in virtue of this, are all
impious and all sacrilegious.
94. But as to your saying that the whole world that rejoices
in Christian communion is the party of Macarius, who
with any remnant of sanity in his brain could make such a
statement? But because we say that you are of the party of
Donatus, you therefore seek for a man of whose party you
may say we are; and, being in a great strait, you mention the
name of some obscure person, who, if he is known in Africa,
is certainly unknown in any other quarter of the globe. And
therefore hearken to the answer made to you by all the seed
of Abraham from every corner of the earth: Of that Macarius,
to whose party you assert us to belong, we know absolutely
nothing. Can you reply in turn that you know nothing of
Donatus? But even if we were to say that you are the party
of Optatus, which of you can say that he is unacquainted with
Optatus, unless in the sense that he does not know him personally,
as perhaps he does not know Donatus either? But
you acknowledge that you rejoice in the name of Donatus,
do you also take any pleasure in the name of Optatus?
What then can the name of Donatus profit you, when all of
you alike are polluted by Optatus? What advantage can you
derive from the sobriety of Donatus, when you are defiled by
the drunkenness of the Circumcelliones? What, according
to your views, are you profited by the innocence of Donatus,
when you are stained by the rapacity of Optatus? For this
is your mistake, that you think that the unrighteousness of a
man has more power in infecting his neighbour than the
righteousness of a man has in purifying those around him.
Therefore, if two share in common the sacraments of God, the
one a just man, the other an unrighteous one, but so that
neither the former should imitate the unrighteousness of the
latter, nor the latter the righteousness of the former, you say
that the result is not that both are made just, but that both are
made unrighteous; so that also that holy thing, which both
receive in common, becomes unclean and loses its original
holiness. When does unrighteousness find for herself such
advocates as these, through whose madness she is esteemed
victorious? How comes it then that, in the midst of such
mistaken perversity, you congratulate yourselves upon the
name of Donatus, when it shows not that Petilianus deserves
to be what Donatus is, but that Donatus is compelled to be
what Optatus is? But let the house of Israel say, "God is
my portion for ever;"[823] let the seed of Abraham say in all
nations, "The Lord is the portion of mine inheritance."[824] For
they know how to speak through the gospel of the glory of
the blessed God. For you, too, through the sacrament which
is in you, like Caiaphas the persecutor of the Lord, prophesy
without being aware of it.[825] For what in Greek is expressed
by the word Μακαριος is in our language simply "Blessed;"
and in this way certainly we are of the party of Macarius,
the Blessed One. For what is more blessed than Christ, of
whose party we are, after whom all the ends of the earth are
called, and to whom they all are turned, and in whose sight
all the countries of the nations worship? Therefore the party
of this Macarius, that is to say, of this Blessed One, feels no
apprehension at your last curse, distorted from the words of
Solomon, lest it should perish from the earth. For what is
said by him of the impious you endeavour to apply to the
inheritance of Christ, and you strive to prove that this has
been achieved with inexpressible impiety; for when he was
speaking of the impious, he says, "Let their portion perish
from off the earth."[826] But when you say, with reference to
the words of Scripture, "I shall give Thee the heathen for
Thine inheritance,"[827] and "all the ends of the world shall
remember and turn unto the Lord,"[828] that the promise contained
in them has already perished from the earth, you are
seeking to turn against the inheritance of Christ what was
foretold about the lot of the impious; but so long as the
inheritance of Christ endures and increases, you are perishing
in saying such things. For you are not in every case prophesying
through the sacrament of God, since in this case you
are merely uttering evil wishes through your own madness.
But the prophecy of the true prophets is more powerful than
the evil speaking of the false prophets.
Chap. xl.—95. Petilianus said: "Paul the apostle also
bids us, 'Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for
what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and
what communion hath light with darkness? and what concord
hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that
believeth with an infidel?"[829]
96. Augustine answered: I recognise the words of the
apostle; but how they can help you I cannot see at all. For
which of us says that there is any fellowship between righteousness
and unrighteousness, even though the righteous and
the unrighteous, as in the case of Judas and Peter, should be
alike partakers of the sacraments? For from one and the
same holy thing Judas received judgment to himself and
Peter salvation, just as you received the sacrament with
Optatus, and, if you were unlike him, were not therefore partakers
in his robberies. Or is robbery not unrighteousness?
Who would be mad enough to assert that? What fellowship
was there, then, on the part of your righteousness with his
unrighteousness, when you approached together to the same
altar?
Chap. xli.—97. Petilianus said: "And, again, he taught
us that schisms should not arise, in the following terms:
'Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul,
and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ. Is Christ
divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in
the name of Paul?'"[830]
98. Augustine answered: Remember all of you who read
this, it was Petilianus who quoted these words from the
apostle. For who could have believed that he would have
brought forward words which tell so much for us against himself?
Chap. xlii.—99. Petilianus said: "If Paul uttered these
words to the unlearned and to the righteous, I say this to you
who are unrighteous, Is Christ divided, that you should separate
yourselves from the Church?"
100. Augustine answered: I am afraid lest any one should
think that in this work of mine the writer has made a mistake,
and has written the heading Petilianus said, when he
ought to have written Augustine answered. But I see what
your object is: you wished, as it were, to preoccupy the
ground, lest we should bring those words in testimony against
you. But what have you really done, except to cause them
to be quoted twice? If, therefore, you are so much pleased
with hearing the words which make against you, as to render
it necessary that they should be repeated, hear, I pray you,
these words as coming from me, Petilianus: Is Christ divided,
that you should separate yourselves from the Church?
Chap. xliii.—101. Petilianus said: "Can it be that the
traitor Judas hung himself for you, or did he imbue you with
his character, that, following his deeds, you should seize on
the treasures of the Church, and sell for money to the powers
of this world us who are the heirs of Christ?"
102. Augustine answered: Judas did not die for us, but
Christ, to whom the Church dispersed throughout the world says,
"So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth
me: for I trust in Thy word."[831] When, therefore, I hear the
words of the Lord, saying, "Ye shall be witnesses unto me
both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and
unto the uttermost part of the earth,"[832] and through the voice
of His prophet, "Their sound is gone out through all the
earth, and their words into the ends of the world,"[833] no bodily
admixture of evil ever is able to disturb me, if I know how to
say, "Be surety to Thy servant for good: let not the proud
oppress me."[834] I do not, therefore, concern myself about a
vain calumniation when I have a substantial promise. But
if you complain about matters or places appertaining to the
Church, which you used once to hold, and hold no longer,
then the Jews also may say that they are righteous, and
reproach us with unrighteousness, because the Christians now
occupy the place in which of old they impiously reigned.
What then is there unfitting, if, according to a similar will of
the Lord, the Catholics now hold the things which formerly
the heretics used to have? For against all such men as this,
that is to say, against all impious and unrighteous men, those
words of the Lord have force, "The kingdom of God shall be
taken from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth
the fruits thereof;"[835] or is it written in vain, "The righteous
shall eat of the labours of the impious?"[836] Wherefore you ought
rather to be amazed that you still possess something, than that
there is something which you have lost. But neither need you
wonder even at this, for it is by degrees that the whitened
wall falls down. Yet look back at the followers of Maximianus,
see what places they possessed, and by whose agency and
under whose attacks they were driven from them, and do you
venture, if you can, to say that to suffer things like these is
righteousness, while to do them is unrighteousness. In the
first place, because you did the deed, and they suffered them;
and secondly, because, according to the rule of this righteousness,
you are found to be inferior. For they were driven
from the ancient places by Catholic emperors acting through
judges, while you are not even driven forth by the mandates
of the emperors themselves from the basilicas of unity. For
what reason is this, save that you are of less merit, not only
than the rest of your colleagues, but even than those very
men whom you assuredly condemned as guilty of sacrilege by
the mouth of your general Council?
Chap. xliv.—103. PETILIANUS said: "For we, as it is
written, when we are baptized, put on Christ who was betrayed;[837]
you, when you are infected, put on Judas the betrayer."
104. Augustine answered: I also might say, You when
you are infected put on Optatus the betrayer, the robber, the
oppressor, the separater of husband and wife; but far be it
from me that the desire of returning an evil word should
provoke me into any falsehood: for neither do you put on
Optatus, nor we Judas. Therefore, if each one who comes to
us shall answer to our questions that he has been baptized in
the name of Optatus, he shall be baptized in the name of
Christ; and if you baptized any that came from us and said
that they had been baptized in the name of the traitor Judas,
in that case we have no fault to find with what you have
done. But if they had been baptized in the name of Christ,
do you not see what an error you commit in thinking that
the sacraments of God can undergo change through any
changeableness of human sins, or be polluted by defilement
in the life of any man?
Chap. xlv.—105. Petilianus said: "But if these are the
parties, the name of member of a party is no prejudice against
us. For there are two ways, the one narrow, in which we
walk; the other is for the impious, wherein they shall perish.
And yet, though the designations be alike, there is a great
difference in the reality, that the way of righteousness should
not be defiled by fellowship in a name."
106. Augustine answered: You have been afraid of the
comparison of your numbers with the multitude throughout
the world; and therefore, in order to win praise for the scantiness
of your party, you have sought to bring in the comparison
of yourself walking in the narrow path. Would to God
that you had betaken yourself not to its praise, but to the
path itself! Truly you would have seen that there was the
same scantiness in the Church of all nations; but that the
righteous are said to be few in comparison with the multitude
of the unrighteous, just as, in comparison with the chaff,
there may be said to be few grains of corn in the most abundant
crop, and yet these very grains of themselves, when
brought into a heap, fill the barn. For the followers of Maximianus
themselves will surpass you in this scantiness of
number, if you think that righteousness consists in this, as
well as in the persecution involved in the loss of places
which they held.
Chap. xlvi.—107. Petilianus said: "In the first Psalm
David separates the blessed from the impious, not indeed
making them into parties, but excluding all the impious from
holiness. 'Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel
of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners.' Let him
who had strayed from the path of righteousness, so that he
should perish, return to it again. 'Nor sitteth in the seat
of the scornful.' When he gives this warning, O ye miserable
men, why do you sit in that seat? 'But his delight is
in the law of the Lord; and in His law doth he meditate day
and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers
of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season: his leaf
also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind
driveth away.' He blindeth their eyes, so that they should
not see. 'Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For
the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of
the ungodly shall perish.'"
108. Augustine answered: Who is there in the Scriptures
that would not distinguish between these two classes of men?
But you in your evil speak indiscriminately, charge the corn
with the offences of the chaff; and being yourselves mere
chaff, you boast yourselves to be the only corn. But the true
prophets declare that both these classes have been mingled
together throughout the whole world, that is, throughout the
whole corn-field of the Lord, until the winnowing which is to
take place on the day of judgment. But I advise you to read
that first Psalm in the Greek version, and then you will not
venture to reproach the whole world with being of the party
of Macarius; because you will perhaps come to understand
of what Macarius there is a party among all the saints, who
throughout all nations are blessed in the seed of Abraham.
For what stands in our language as "Blessed is the man," is
in Greek Μακαριος ανηρ]. But that Macarius who offends
you, if he is a bad man, neither belongs to this division, nor
is to its prejudice. But if he is a good man, let him prove
his own work, that he may have glory in himself alone, and
not in another.[838]
Chap. xlvii.—109. Petilianus said: "But the same
Psalmist has sung the praises of our baptism. 'The Lord is
my shepherd, I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down
in the green pastures: He leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness
for His name's sake. Yea, though I walk through
the valley of the shadow of death,'—though the persecutor, he
means, should slay me,—'I will fear no evil: for Thou art
with me; Thy rod and Thy staff comfort me.' It was by
this that it conquered Goliath, being armed with the anointing
oil. 'Thou hast prepared a table before me in the presence
of mine enemies: Thou anointest my head with oil;
my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow
me all the days of my life; and I will dwell in the house
of the Lord for ever.'"[839]
110. Augustine answered: This psalm speaks of those
who receive baptism aright, and use as holy what is so holy.
For those words have no reference even to Simon Magus, who
yet received the same holy baptism; and because he would not
use it in a holy way, he did not therefore pollute it, or show
that in such cases it should be repeated. But since you have
made mention of Goliath, listen to the psalm which treats
of Goliath himself, and see that he is portrayed in a new
song; for there it is said, "I will sing a new song unto Thee,
O God: upon a psaltery, and an instrument of ten strings, will
I sing praise unto Thee."[840] And see whether he belongs to
this song who refuses to communicate with the whole earth.
For elsewhere it is said, "O sing unto the Lord a new song;
sing unto the Lord, all the earth."[841] Therefore the whole
earth, with whom you are not in unity, sings the new song.
And these too are the words of the whole earth, "The Lord
is my shepherd, I shall not want," etc. These are not the
words of the tares, though they be endured until the harvest
in the same crop. They are not the words of the chaff, but of
the wheat, although they are nourished by one and the same
rain, and are threshed out on the same threshing-floor at the
same time, till they shall be separated the one from the other by
the winnowing at the last day. And yet these both assuredly
have the same baptism, though they are not the same themselves.
But if your party also were the Church of God, you
would certainly confess that this psalm has no application to
the infuriated bands of the Circumcelliones. Or if they too
themselves are led through the paths of righteousness, why do
you deny that they are your associates, when you are reproached
with them, although, for the most part, you console yourselves
for the scantiness of your section, not by the rod and staff of
the Lord, but by the cudgels of the Circumcelliones, with which
you think that you are safe even against the Roman laws,—to
bring oneself into collision with which is surely nothing
less than to walk through the valley of the shadow of death?
But he with whom the Lord is, fears no evils. Surely, however,
you will not venture to say that the words which are sung
in this song belong even to those infuriated men, and yet
you not only acknowledge, but ostentatiously set forth the fact
that they have baptism. These words, therefore, are not used
by any who are not refreshed by the holy water, as are all the
righteous men of God; not by those who are brought to destruction
by using it, as was that magician when baptized by
Philip: and yet the water itself in both kinds of men is the
same, and of the same degree of sanctity. These words are
not used except by those who will belong to the right hand;
but yet both sheep and goats feed in the same pasture under
one Shepherd, until they shall be separated, that they may
receive their due reward. These words are not used except
by those who, like Peter, receive life from the table of the
Lord, not judgment, as did Judas; and yet the supper was
itself the same to both, but it was not of the same profit to
both, because they were not one. These words are not used
except by those who, by being anointed with the sacred oil,
are blessed in spirit also, as was David; not merely consecrated
in the body only, as was Saul: and yet, as they had
both received the same outward sign, it was not the sacrament,
but the personal merit that was different in the two
cases. These words are not used except by those who, with
converted heart, receive the cup of the Lord unto eternal life;
not by those who eat and drink damnation to themselves, as
the apostle says:[842] and yet, though they are not one, the cup
which they receive is one, exerting its power on the martyrs
that they should obtain a heavenly reward, not on the Circumcelliones,
that they should mark precipices with death.
Remember, therefore, that the characters of bad men in no
wise interfere with the virtue of the sacraments, so that their
holiness should either be destroyed, or even diminished; but
that they injure the unrighteous men themselves, that they
should have them as witnesses of their damnation, not as aids
to health. For beyond all doubt you should have taken into
consideration the actual concluding words of this psalm, and
have understood that, on account of those who forsake the
faith after they have been baptized, it cannot be said by all
who receive holy baptism that "I will dwell in the house of
the Lord for ever:" and yet, whether they abide in the faith,
or whether they have fallen away, though they themselves are
not one, their baptism is one, and though they themselves are
not both holy, yet the baptism in both is holy; because even
apostates, if they return, are not baptized as though they had
lost the sacrament, but undergo humiliation, because they have
done despite to it remaining in them.
Chap. xlviii.—111. Petilianus said: "Yet that you
should not call yourselves holy, in the first place, I declare
that no one has holiness who has not led a life of innocence."
112. Augustine answered: Show us the tribunal where
you have been enthroned as judge, that the whole world
should stand for trial before you, and with what eyes you
have inspected and discussed, I do not say the consciences,
but even the acts of all men, that you should say that the
whole world has lost its innocence. He who was carried up
as far as the third heaven says, "Yea, I judge not mine own
self;"[843] and do you venture to pronounce sentence on the
whole world, throughout which the inheritance of Christ is
spread abroad? In the next place, if what you have said
appears to you to be sufficiently certain, that "no one has
holiness who has not led a life of innocence," I would ask
you, if Saul had not the holiness of the sacrament, what was
in him that David reverenced? But if he had innocence,
why did he persecute the innocent? For it was on account
of the sanctity of his anointing that David honoured him
while alive, and avenged him after he was dead; and because
he cut off so much as a scrap from his garment, he trembled
with a panic-stricken heart. Here you see that Saul had not
innocence, and yet he had holiness,—not the personal holiness
of a holy life (for that no one can have without innocence),
but the holiness of the sacrament of God, which is holy even
in unrighteous men.
Chap. xlix.—113. Petilianus said: "For, granting that
you faithless ones are acquainted with the law, without any
prejudice to the law itself, I may say so much as this, the
devil knows it too. For in the case of righteous Job he
answered the Lord God concerning the law as though he were
himself righteous, as it is written, 'And the Lord said unto
Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is
none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man,
one that feareth God and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth
fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to
destroy him without cause. And Satan answered the Lord,
Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his
life.'[844] Behold he speaks in legal phrase, even when he is
striving against the law. And a second time he endeavoured
thus to tempt the Lord Christ with his discourse, as it is
written, 'The devil taketh Jesus into the holy city, and setteth
Him on a pinnacle of the temple, and saith unto Him, If
thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written,
He shall give His angels charge over thee; and in their hands
they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot
against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again,
Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.'[845] You know the
law, I say, as did the devil, who is conquered in his endeavours,
and blushes in his deeds."
114. Augustine answered: I might indeed ask of you in
what law the words are written which the devil used when
he was uttering calumnies against the holy man Job, if the
position which I am set to prove were this, that you yourself
are unacquainted with the law which you assert the devil
to have known; but as this is not the question at issue between
us, I pass it by. But you have endeavoured in such
sort to prove that the devil is skilled in the law, as though we
maintained that all who know the law are just. Accordingly,
I do not see in what manner you are assisted by what you
have chosen to quote concerning the devil,—unless, indeed, it
may be that we should be thereby reminded how you imitate
the devil himself. For as he brought forward the words of
the law against the Author of the law, so you also out of the
words of the law bring accusation against men whom you do
not know, that you may resist the promises of God which
are made in that very self-same law. Then I should be glad
if you would tell me in whose honour do those confessors of
yours achieve their martyrdom, when they throw themselves
over precipices,—in honour of Christ, who thrust the devil
from Him when he made a like suggestion, or rather in honour
of the devil himself, who suggested such a deed to Christ?
There are two especially vile and customary deaths resorted
to by those who kill themselves,—hanging and the precipice.
You assuredly said in the earlier part of this epistle, "The
traitor hung himself: he left this death to all who are like
him." This has no application whatever to us; for we refuse
to reverence with the name of martyr any who have strangled
themselves. With how much greater show of reason might
we say against you, That master of all traitors, the devil,
wished to persuade Christ to throw Himself headlong down,
and was repulsed! What, therefore, must we say of those
whom he persuaded with success? What, indeed, except that
they are the enemies of Christ, the friends of the devil, the
disciples of the seducer, the fellow-disciples of the traitor?
For both have learned to kill themselves from the same
master,—Judas by hanging himself, the others by throwing
themselves over precipices.
Chap. l.—115. Petilianus said: "But that we may destroy
your arguments one by one, if you call yourselves by the
name of priests, it was said by the Lord God, through the
mouth of His prophet, 'The vengeance of the Lord is upon
the false priests.'"
116. Augustine answered: Seek rather what you may
say with truth, not whence you may derive abusive words;
and what you may teach, not what reproaches you may cast
in our teeth.
Chap. li.—117. Petilianus said: "If you wretched men
claim for yourselves a seat, as we said before, you assuredly
have that one of which the prophet and psalmist David
speaks as being the seat of the scornful.[846] For to you it is
rightly left, seeing that the holy cannot sit therein."
118. Augustine answered: Here again you do not see
that this is no kind of argument, but empty abuse. For this
is what I said a little while ago, You utter the words of the
law, but take no heed against whom you utter them; just as
the devil uttered the words of the law, but failed to perceive
to whom he uttered them. He wished to thrust down our
Head, who was presently to ascend on high; but you wish to
reduce to a small fraction the body of that same Head which
is dispersed throughout the entire world. Certainly you yourself
said a little time before that we know the law, and speak
in legal terms, but blush in our deeds. Thus much indeed
you say without a proof of anything; but even though you
were to prove it of some men, you would not be entitled to
assert it of these others. However, if all men throughout all
the world were of the character which you most vainly charge
them with, what has the chair done to you of the Roman
Church, in which Peter sat, and which Anastasius fills to-day;
or the chair of the Church of Jerusalem, in which James
once sat, and in which John sits to-day, with which we are
united in catholic unity, and from which you have severed
yourselves by your mad fury? Why do you call the apostolic
chair a seat of the scornful? If it is on account of
the men whom you believe to use the words of the law without
performing it, do you find that our Lord Jesus Christ was
moved by the Pharisees, of whom He says, "They say, and
do not," to do any despite to the seat in which they sat? Did
He not commend the seat of Moses, and maintain the honour
of the seat, while He convicted those that sat in it? For He
says, "They sit in Moses' seat: all therefore whatsoever they
bid you observe, that observe and do; but do ye not after their
works: for they say, and do not."[847] If you were to think of
these things, you would not, on account of men whom you
calumniate, do despite to the apostolic seat, in which you
have no share. But what else is conduct like yours but
ignorance of what to say, combined with want of power to
abstain from evil-speaking?
Chap. lii.—119. Petilianus said: "If you suppose that
you can offer sacrifice, God Himself thus speaks of you as
most abandoned sinners: 'The wicked man,' He says, 'that
sacrificeth a calf is as if he cut off a dog's neck; and he that
offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood.'[848] Recognise
herein your sacrifice, who have already poured out human
blood. And again He says, 'Their sacrifices shall be unto
them as the bread of mourners; all that eat thereof shall be
polluted.'"[849]
120. Augustine answered: We say that in the case of
every man the sacrifice that is offered partakes of the character
of him who approaches to offer it, or approaches to partake
of it; and that those eat of the sacrifices of such men,
who in approaching to them partake of the character of those
who offer them. Therefore, if a bad man offer sacrifice to God,
and a good man receive it at his hands, the sacrifice is to each
man of such character as he himself has shown himself to be,
since we find it also written that "unto the pure all things
are pure."[850] In accordance with this true and catholic judgment,
you too are free from pollution by the sacrifice of
Optatus, if you disapproved of his deeds. For certainly his
bread was the bread of mourners, seeing that all Africa was
mourning under his iniquities. But the evil involved in the
schism of all your party makes this bread of mourners common
to you all. For, according to the judgment of your Council,
Felicianus of Musti was a shedder of man's blood. For you
said, in condemning them,[851] "Their feet are swift to shed
blood."[852] See therefore what kind of sacrifice he offers whom
you hold to be a priest, when you have yourselves convicted
him of sacrilege. And if you think that this is in no way to
your prejudice, I would ask you how the emptiness of your
calumnies can be to the prejudice of the whole world?
Chap. liii.—121. Petilianus said: "If you make prayer
to God, or utter supplication, it profits you absolutely nothing
whatsoever. For your blood-stained conscience makes your
feeble prayers of no effect; because the Lord God regards
purity of conscience more than the words of supplication,
according to the saying of the Lord Christ, 'Not every one that
saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of
heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.'[853] The will of God unquestionably is good, for therefore
we pray as follows in the holy prayer, 'Thy will be done
in earth, as it is in heaven,'[854] that, as His will is good, so it may
confer on us whatever may be good. You therefore do not
do the will of God, because you do what is evil every day."
122. Augustine answered: If we on our side were to
utter against you all that you assert against us, would not
any one who heard us consider that we were rather insane
litigants than Christian disputants, if he himself were in his
senses? We do not, therefore, render railing for railing. For
it is not fitting that the servant of the Lord should strive;
but he should be gentle unto all men, willing to learn, in
meekness instructing those that oppose themselves.[855] If, therefore,
we reproach you with those who daily do what is evil
among you, we are guilty of striving unbefittingly, accusing
one for the sins of another. But if we admonish you, that as
you are unwilling that these things should be brought against
yourselves, so you should abstain from bringing against us
the sins of other men, we then in meekness are instructing
you, solely in the hopes that some time you will return to a
better mind.
Chap. liv.—123. Petilianus said: "But if it should so
happen, though whether it be so I cannot say, that you cast
out devils, neither will this in you do any good; because the
devils themselves yield neither to your faith nor to your
merits, but are driven out in the name of the Lord Jesus
Christ."
124. Augustine answered: God be thanked that you have
at length confessed that the invocation of the name of Christ
may be of profit for the salvation of others, even though it be
invoked by sinners! Hence, therefore, you may understand
that when the name of Christ is invoked, the sins of one man
do not stand in the way of the salvation of another. But to
determine in what manner we invoke the name of Christ, we
require not your judgment, but the judgment of Christ Himself
who is invoked by us; for He alone can know in what
spirit He is invoked. Yet from His own words we are
assured that He is invoked to their salvation by all nations,
who are blessed in the seed of Abraham.
Chap. lv.—125. Petilianus said: "Even though you
do very virtuous actions, and perform miraculous works, yet
on account of your wickedness the Lord does not know you;
even so, according to the words of the Lord Himself, 'Many
will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied
in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils?
and in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then
will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.'"[856]
126. Augustine answered: We acknowledge the word of
the Lord. Hence also the apostle says, "Though I have all
faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity,
I am nothing."[857] Here therefore we must inquire who it is
that has charity: you will find that it is no one else but
those who are lovers of unity. For as to the driving out of
devils, and as to the working of miracles, seeing that very
many do not do such things who yet belong to the kingdom
of God, and very many do them who do not belong to it,
neither our party nor your party have any cause for boasting,
if any of them chance to have this power, since the Lord did
not think it right that even the apostles, who could truly do
such things both to profit and salvation, should boast in
things like this, when He says to them, "In this rejoice not,
that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because
your names are written in heaven."[858] Wherefore all
those things which you have advanced from the writings of
the gospel I also might repeat to you, if I saw you working
the powerful acts of signs and miracles; and so might you
repeat them to me, if you saw me doing things of a like sort.
Let us not, therefore, say one to another what may equally be
said on the other side as well; and, putting aside all quibbles,
since we are inquiring where the Church of Christ is to be
found, let us listen to the words of Christ Himself, who redeemed
it with His own blood: "Ye shall be witnesses unto
me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and
unto the uttermost part of the earth."[859] You see then who
it is with whom a man refuses to communicate who will not
communicate with this Church, which is spread throughout
all the world, if at least you hear whose words these are.
For what is a greater proof of madness than to hold communion
with the sacraments of the Lord, and to refuse to hold
communion with the words of the Lord? Such men at any
rate are likely to say, In Thy name have we eaten and
drunken, and to hear the words, "I never knew you,"[860] seeing
that they eat His body and drink His blood in the sacrament,
and do not recognise in the gospel His members which
are spread abroad throughout the earth, and therefore are not
themselves counted among them in the judgment.
Chap. lvi.—127. Petilianus said: "But even if, as you
yourselves suppose, you are following the law of the Lord in
purity, let us nevertheless consider the question of the most
holy law itself in a legal form. The Apostle Paul says, 'The
law is good, if a man use it lawfully.'[861] What then does the
law say? 'Thou shalt not kill.' What Cain the murderer
did once, you have often done, in slaying your brethren."
128. Augustine answered: We do not wish to be like
you: for there are not wanting words which might be uttered,
as you too utter these; and known also, for you do not know
these; and set forth in the conduct of a life, as these are not
set forth by you.
Chap. lvii.—129. Petilianus said: "It is written, 'Thou
shalt not commit adultery.' Each one of you, even though
he be chaste in his body, yet in spirit is an adulterer, because
he pollutes his holiness."
130. Augustine answered: These words also might be
spoken with truth against certain both of our number and of
yours; but if their deeds are condemned by us and you alike,
they belong to neither us nor you. But you wish that what
you say against certain men, without proving it even in their
especial case, should be taken just as if you had established
it,—not in the case of some who have fallen away from the
seed of Abraham, but in reference to all the nations of the
earth who are blessed in the seed of Abraham.
Chap. lviii.—131. Petilianus said: "It is written, 'Thou
shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.' When
you falsely declare to the kings of this world that we hold
your opinions, do you not make up a falsehood?"
132. Augustine answered: If those are not our opinions
which you hold, neither were they your opinions which you
received from the followers of Maximianus. But if they
were therefore yours, because they were guilty of a sacrilegious
schism in not communicating with the party of Donatus, take
heed what ground you occupy, and with whose inheritance you
refuse communion, and consider what answer you can make,
not to the kings of this world, but to Christ your King. Of
Him it is said, "He shall have dominion also from sea to sea,
and from the river unto the ends of the earth."[862] From what
river does it mean, save that where He was baptized, and
where the dove descended on Him, that mighty token of
charity and unity? But you refuse communion with this
unity, and occupy as yet the place of unity; and you bring
us into disfavour with the kings of this world in making
use of the edicts of the proconsul to expel your schismatics
from the place of the party of Donatus. These are not mere
words flying at random through the empty void: the men
are still alive, the states bear witness to the fact, the archives
of the proconsuls and of the several towns are quoted in evidence
of it. Let then the voice of calumny be at length silent,
which would bring up against the whole earth the kings of this
world, through whose proconsuls you, yourselves a fragment,
would not spare the fragment which was separated from you.
When then we say that you hold our opinions, we are not
shown to be bearing false witness, unless you can show that
we are not in the Church of Christ, which indeed you never
cease alleging, but never will be able to establish; nay, in real
truth, when you say this, you are bringing a charge of false
witness no longer against us, but against the Lord Himself.
For we are in the Church which was foretold by His own
testimony, and where He bore witness to His witnesses, saying,
"Ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and
in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of
the earth." But you show yourselves to be false witnesses
not only from this, that you resist this truth, but also in the
very trial in which you joined issue with the schism of
Maximianus. For if you were acting according to the law of
Christ, how much more consistently do certain Christian
emperors frame ordinances in accordance with it, if even
pagan proconsuls can follow its behests in passing judgment?
But if you thought that even the laws of an earthly empire
were to be summoned to your aid, we do not blame you for
this. It is what Paul did when he bore witness before his
adversaries that he was a Roman citizen.[863] But I would ask
by what earthly laws it is ordained that the followers of
Maximianus should be driven from their place? You will
find no law whatever to this effect. But, in point of fact, you
have chosen to expel them under laws which have been passed
against heretics, and against yourselves among their number.
You, as though by superior strength, have prevailed against
the weak. Whence they, being wholly powerless, say that
they are innocent, like the wolf in the power of the lion.
Yet surely you could not use laws which were passed against
yourselves as instruments against others, except by the aid of
false witness. For if those laws are founded on truth, then
do you come down from the position which you occupy; but
if on falsehood, why did you use them to drive others from
the Church? But how if they both are founded on truth,
and could not be used by you for the expulsion of others
except with the aid of falsehood? For that the judges might
submit to their authority, they were willing to expel heretics
from the Church, from which they ought first to have expelled
yourselves; but you declared yourselves to be Catholics, that
you might escape the severity of the laws which you employed
to oppress others. It is for you to determine what you appear
to yourselves among yourselves; at any rate, under those laws
you are not Catholics. Why then have you either made them
false, if they are true, by your false witness, or made use of
them, if they are false, for the oppression of others?
Chap. lix.—133. Petilianus said: "It is written, 'Thou
shalt not covet anything that is thy neighbour's.'[864] You plunder
what is ours, that you may have it for your own."
134. Augustine answered: All things of which unity was
in possession belong to none other than ourselves, who remain
in unity, not in accordance with the calumnies of men, but
with the words of Christ, in whom all the nations of the
whole earth are blessed. Nor do we separate ourselves from
the society of the wheat, on account of the unrighteous men
whom we cannot separate from the wheat of the Lord before
the winnowing at the judgment; and if there are any things
which you who are cut off begin already to possess, we do
not, because the Lord has given to us what has been taken
away from you, therefore covet our neighbours' goods, seeing
that they have been made ours by the authority of Him to
whom all things belong; and they are rightly ours, for you
were wont to use them for purposes of schism, but we use them
for the promotion of unity. Otherwise your party might reproach
even the first people of God with coveting their neighbours'
goods, seeing that they were driven forth before their face
by the power of God, because they used the land amiss; and
the Jews in turn themselves, from whom the kingdom was taken
away, according to the words of the Lord, and given to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof,[865] may bring a charge against that
nation of coveting their neighbours' goods, because the Church
of Christ is in possession where the persecutors of Christ were
wont to reign. And, after all, when it has been said to yourselves,
You are coveting the goods of other men, because you
have driven out from the basilicas the followers of Maximianus,
you are at a loss to find any answer that you can make.
Chap. lx.—135. Petilianus said: "Under what law, then,
do you make out that you are Christians, seeing that you do
what is contrary to the law?"
136. Augustine answered: You are anxious for strife, and
not for argument.
Chap. lxi.—137. Petilianus said: "But the Lord Christ
says, 'Whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be
called the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.' But He condemns
you wretched men as follows: 'Whosoever shall break
one of these commandments, he shall be called the least in
the kingdom of heaven.'"
138. Augustine answered: When you happen to quote the
testimony of Scripture as other than it really is, and it does
not bear on the question which is at issue between us, I am
not greatly concerned; but when it interferes with the matter
on hand, unless it is quoted truly, then I think that you have
no right to find fault if I remind you how the passage really
stands. For you must be aware that the verse which you
quoted is not as you quoted it, but rather thus: "Whosoever
shall break one of the least of these commandments, and shall
teach men so, shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same
shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." And immediately
He continues, "For I say unto you, That except your
righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and
Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of
heaven."[866] For elsewhere He shows and proves of the Pharisees
that they say and do not. It is these, therefore, to whom
He is referring also here, when He said, "Whosoever shall break
one of these commandments, and shall teach men so,"—that is,
shall teach in words what he has violated in deeds; whose
righteousness He says that our righteousness must excel, in
that we must both keep the commandments and teach men
so. And yet not even on account of those Pharisees, with whom
you compare us,—not from any motives of prudence, but from
malice,—did our Lord enjoin that the seat of Moses should be
deserted, which seat He doubtless meant to be a figure of His
own; for He said indeed that they who sat in Moses' seat
were ever saying and not doing, but warns the people to do
what they say, and not to do what they do,[867] lest the chair,
with all its holiness, should be deserted, and the unity of the
flock divided through the faithlessness of the shepherds.
Chap. lxii.—139. Petilianus said: "And again it is written,
'Every sin which a man shall sin is without the body: but
he that sinneth in the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven
him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.'"
140. Augustine answered: This too is not written as you
have quoted it, and see how far it has led you astray. The
apostle, writing to the Corinthians, says, "Every sin that a
man doeth is without the body: but he that committeth fornication
sinneth against his own body."[868] But this is one
thing, and that is another which the Lord said in the gospel:
"All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto
men: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall
not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world
to come."[869] But you have begun a sentence from the writing
of the apostle, and ended it as though it were one from the
gospel, which I fancy you have done not with any intention
to deceive, but through mistake; for neither passage has any
bearing on the matter in hand. And why you have said this,
and in what sense you have said it, I am wholly unable to perceive,
unless it be that, whereas you had said above that all
were condemned by the Lord who had broken any one of His
commandments, you have considered since how many there
are in your party who break not one but many of them; and
lest an objection should be brought against you on that score,
you have sought, by way of surpassing the difficulty, to bring
in a distinction of sins, whereby it might be seen that it is
one thing to break a commandment in respect of which pardon
may easily be obtained, another thing to sin against the Holy
Ghost, which shall receive no forgiveness, either in this world
or in the world to come. In your dread, therefore, of infection
from sin, you were unwilling to pass this over in silence;
and again, in your dread of a question too deep for your
powers, you wish to touch cursorily on it in passing, in such
a state of agitation, that, just as men who are setting about
a task in haste, and consequent confusion, are wont to fasten
their dress or shoes awry, so you have not thought fit either
to see what belongs to what, or in what context or what
sense the passage which you quote occurs. But what is the
nature of that sin which shall not be forgiven, either in this
world or in the world to come, you are so far from knowing,
that, though you believe that we are actually living in it, you
yet promise us forgiveness of it through your baptism. And
yet how could this be possible, if the sin be of such a nature
that it cannot be forgiven, either in this world or in the world
to come?
Chap. lxiii.—141. Petilianus said: "But wherein do you
fulfil the commandments of God? The Lord Christ said,
'Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.' But you by your malice in persecution breathe forth
the riches of madness."
142. Augustine answered: Address that rather to your
own Circumcelliones.
Chap. lxiv.—143. Petilianus said: "'Blessed are the
meek: for they shall inherit the earth.' You therefore, not
being meek, have lost both heaven and earth alike."
144. Augustine answered: Again and again you may hear
the Lord saying, "Ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem,
and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost
part of the earth."[870] How is it, then, that those men
have not lost heaven and earth, who, in order to avoid communicating
with all the nations of the earth, despise the words
of Him that sitteth in heaven? For, in proof of your meekness,
it is not your words but the cudgels of the Circumcelliones
which should be examined. You will say, What has
that to do with us? Just as though we were making the
remark with any other object except to extract that answer
from you. For the reason that your schism is a valid charge
against you is that you do not allow that you are chargeable
with another's sin, whereas you have separated from us for
no other reason but that you charge us with the sins of other
men.
Chap. lxv.—145. Petilianus said: "'Blessed are they that
mourn: for they shall be comforted.' You, our butchers, are
the cause of mourning in others; you do not mourn yourselves."
146. Augustine answered: Consider for a short space to
how many, and with what intensity, the cry of "Praises be to
God," proceeding from your armed men, has caused others to
mourn.[871] Do you say again, What is that to us? Then I too
will rejoin again in your own words, What is that to us?
What is it to all the nations of the earth? What is it to
those who praise the name of the Lord from the rising of the
sun to the setting of the same? What is it to all the earth,
which sings a new song? What is it to the seed of Abraham,
in which all the nations of the earth are blessed?[872] And so
the sacrilege of your schism is chargeable on you, just because
the evil deeds of your companions are not chargeable on you;
and because you are aware from this that the deeds of those
on whose account you separated from the world, even if you
proved your charges to be true, do not involve the world in sin.
Chap. lxvi.—147. Petilianus said: "'Blessed are they
which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall
be filled.' To you it seems to be righteousness that you thirst
after our blood."
148. Augustine answered: What shall I say unto thee, O
man, except that thou art calumnious? The unity of Christ,
indeed, is hungering and thirsting after all of you; and I would
that it might swallow you up, for then would you be no longer
heretics.
Chap. lxvii.—149. Petilianus said: "'Blessed are the
merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.' But how shall I call
you merciful when you inflict punishment on the righteous?
Shall I not rather call you a most unrighteous communion, so
long as you pollute souls?"
150. Augustine answered: You have proved neither point,—neither
that you yourselves are righteous, nor that we inflict
punishment on even the unrighteous; and yet, even as false
flattery is generally cruel, so just correction is ever merciful.
For whence is that which you do not understand: "Let the
righteous smite me, it shall be a kindness; and let him reprove
me?" For while he says this of the severity of merciful correction,
the Psalmist immediately went on to say of the gentleness
of destructive flattery, "But the oil of sinners shall not
break my head."[873] Do you therefore consider whither you are
called, and from what you are summoned away. For how do
you know what feelings he entertains towards you whom you
suppose to be cruel? But whatever be his feelings, every one
must bear his own burden both with us and with you. But I
would have you cast away the burden of schism which you
all of you are bearing, that you may bear your good burdens in
unity; and I would bid you mercifully correct, if you should
have the power, all those who are bearing evil burdens; and
if this be beyond your power, I would bid you bear with them
in peace.
Chap. lxviii.—151. Petilianus said: "'Blessed are the
pure in heart: for they shall see God.' When will you see
God, who are possessed with blindness in the impure malice
of your hearts?"
152. Augustine answered: Wherefore say you this? Can
it be that we reproach all nations with the dark and hidden
things which are declared by men, and do not choose to understand
the manifest sayings which God spake in olden time
of all the nations of the earth? This is indeed great blindness
of heart; and if you do not recognise it in yourselves, that
is even greater blindness.
153. Petilianus said: "'Blessed are the peacemakers:
for they shall be called the children of God.'[874] You make a
pretence of peace by your wickedness, and seek unity by
war."
154. Augustine answered: We do not make a pretence of
peace by wickedness, but we preach peace out of the gospel;
and if you were at peace with it, you would be at peace also
with us. The risen Lord, when presenting Himself to the
disciples, not only that they should gaze on Him with their
eyes, but also that they should handle Him with their hands,
began His discourse to them with the words, "Peace be unto
you." And how this peace itself was to be maintained, He
disclosed to them in the words which followed. For "then
opened He their understanding, that they might understand
the Scriptures, and said unto them, Thus is it written, and
thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the
third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should
be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."[875]
If you will keep peace with these words, you
will not be at variance with us. For if we seek unity by war,
our war could not be praised in more glorious terms, seeing
that it is written, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."[876]
And again it is written, "No man ever yet hated his own
flesh."[877] And yet the flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the
spirit against the flesh.[878] But if no man ever yet hated his
own flesh, and yet a man lusteth against his own flesh, here
you have unity sought by war, that the body, being subject to
correction, may be brought under submission. But what the
spirit does against the flesh, waging war with it, not in hatred,
but in love, this those who are spiritual do against those who
are carnal, that they may do towards them what they do
towards themselves, because they love their neighbours as
neighbours indeed. But the war which the spiritual wage is
that correction which is in love: their sword is the word of
God. To such a war they are aroused by the trumpet of the
apostle sounding with a mighty force: "Preach the word; be
instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with
all long-suffering and doctrine."[879] See then that we act not
with the sword, but with the word. But you answer what is
not true, while you accuse us falsely. You do not correct your
own faults, and you bring against us those of other men.
Christ bears true witness concerning the nations of the earth;
you, in opposition to Christ, bear false witness against the
nations of the earth. If we were to believe you rather than
Christ, you would call us peacemakers; because we believe
Christ rather than you, we are said to make a pretence of peace
by our wickedness. And while you say and do such things
as this, you have the further impudence to quote the words,
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the
children of God."
Chap. lxix.—155. Petilianus said: "Though the Apostle
Paul says, 'I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you,
brethren, that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye
are called, with all lowliness and meekness, forbearing one
another in love; endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit
in the bond of peace.'"[880]
156. Augustine answered: If you would not only say
these words, but hearken to them as well, you would put up
even with known evils for the sake of peace, instead of inventing
new ones for the sake of quarrelling, if it were only
because you subsequently learned, for the sake of the peace of
Donatus, to put up with the most flagrant and notorious
wickedness of Optatus. What madness is this that you display?
Those who are known are borne with, that a fragment
may not be further split up; those of whom nothing is known
are defamed, that they themselves may not remain in the undivided
whole.
Chap. lxx.—157. Petilianus said: "To you the prophet
says, 'Peace, peace; and where is there peace?'"[881]
158. Augustine answered: It is you that say this to us,
not the prophet. We therefore answer you: If you ask
where peace is to be found, open your eyes, and see of whom
it is said, "He maketh wars to cease in all the world."[882] If
you ask where peace is to be found, open your eyes to see
that city which cannot be hidden, because it is built upon
a hill; open your eyes to see the mountain itself, and let
Daniel show it to you, growing out of a small stone, and filling
the whole earth.[883] But when the prophet says to you, "Peace,
peace; and where is there peace?" what will you show?
Will you show the party of Donatus, unknown to the countless
nations to whom Christ is known? It is surely not the
city which cannot be hid; and whence is this, except that it
is not founded on the mountain? "For He is our peace, who
hath made both one,"[884]—not Donatus, who has made one
into two.
Chap. lxxi.—159. Petilianus said: "'Blessed are they
which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the
kingdom of heaven.'[885] You are not blessed; but you make
martyrs to be blessed, with whose souls the heavens are filled,
and the earth has flourished with their memory. You therefore
do not honour them yourselves, but you provide us with
objects of honour."
160. Augustine answered: The plain fact is, that if it had
not been said, "Blessed are they which are persecuted for
righteousness' sake," but had been said instead, Blessed are
they who throw themselves over precipices, then heaven
would have been filled with your martyrs. Of a truth we
see many flowers on the earth blooming from their bodies;
but, as the saying goes, the flower is dust and ashes.
Chap. lxxii.—161. Petilianus said: "Since then you
are not blessed by falsifying the commands of God, the Lord
Christ condemns you by His divine decrees: 'Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom
of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto
you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and
land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, ye make
him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto
you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of
mint, and anise, and cummin, and have omitted the weightier
matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought
ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind
guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe
unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like
unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outwardly,
but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all
uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous
unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.'"[886]
162. Augustine answered: Tell me whether you have said
anything which may not equally be said against you in turn
by any slanderous and evil-speaking tongue. But from what
has been said by me before, any one who wishes may find
out that these things may be said against you, not by way of
empty abuse, but with the support of truthful testimony. As,
however, the opportunity is presented to us, we must not pass
this by. There is no doubt that to the ancient people of God
circumcision stood in the place of baptism. I ask, therefore,
putting the case that the Pharisees, against whom those words
you quote are spoken, had made some proselyte, who, if he
were to imitate them, would, as it is said, become twofold more
the child of hell than themselves, supposing that he were to
be converted, and desire to imitate Simeon, or Zacharias, or
Nathanael, would it be necessary that he should be circumcised
again by them? And if it is absurd to put this case,
why, although in empty fashion and with empty sounds you
compare us to men like this, do you nevertheless baptize after
us? But if you are really men like this, how much better
and how much more in accordance with truth do we act in
not baptizing after you, as neither was it right that those
whom I have mentioned should be circumcised after the worst
of Pharisees! Furthermore, when such men sit in the seat of
Moses, for which the Lord preserved its due honour, why do
you blaspheme the apostolic chair on account of men whom,
justly or unjustly, you compare with these?
Chap. lxxiii.—163. Petilianus said: "But these things do
not alarm us Christians; for of the evil deeds which you
are destined to commit we have before a warning given us
by the Lord Christ. 'Behold,' He says, 'I send you forth
as sheep in the midst of wolves.'[887] You fill up the measure
of the madness of wolves, who either lay or are preparing to
lay snares against the Churches in precisely the same way in
which wolves, with their mouths wide open against the fold,
even with destructive eagerness, breathe forth panting anger
from their jaws, suffused with blood."
164. Augustine answered: I should be glad to utter the
same sentiment against you, but not in the words which you
have used: they are too inappropriate, or rather mad. But
what was required was, that you should show that we were
wolves and that you were sheep, not by the emptiest of evil-speaking,
but by some distinct proofs. For when I too have
said, We are sheep, and you are wolves, do you think that
there is any difference caused by the fact that you express
the idea in swelling words? But listen whilst I prove what
I assert. For the Lord says in the gospel, as you know full
well, whether you please it or not, "My sheep hear my
voice, and follow me."[888] There are many sayings of the Lord
on different subjects; but supposing, for example, that any
one were in doubt whether the same Lord had risen in the
body, and His words were to be quoted where He says,
"Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as
ye see me have;"—if even after this he should be unwilling
to acquiesce in the belief that His body had risen from the
dead, surely such a man could not be reckoned among the
sheep of the Lord, because he would not hear His voice. And
so too now, when the question between us is, Where is the
Church? whilst we quote the words that follow in the same
passage of the gospel, where, after His resurrection, He gave
His body even to be handled by those who were in doubt, in
which He showed the future wide extent of the Church, saying,
"Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer,
and to rise from the dead the third day; and that repentance
and remission of sins should be preached in His name throughout
all nations, beginning at Jerusalem;"[889] whereas you will
not communicate with all nations, in whom these words have
been fulfilled, how are you the sheep of this Shepherd, whose
words you not only do not obey when you have heard them,
but even fight against them? And so we show to you from
this that you are not sheep. But listen further whence we
show you that, on the contrary, you are wolves. For necessarily,
when it is shown by His own words where the Church
is to be found, it is also clear where we must look for the
fold of Christ. Whenever, therefore, any sheep separate
themselves from this fold, which is expressly pointed out and
shown to us by the unmistakeable declaration of the Lord,—and
that, I will not say because of charges falsely brought,
but on account of charges brought, as no one can deny, with
great uncertainty against their fellow-men, and consequently
slay those sheep which they have torn and alienated from the
life of unity and Christian love,—is it not evident that they
are ravening wolves? But it will be said that these very
men themselves praise and preach the Lord Christ. They
are therefore those of whom He says Himself, "They come
unto you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening
wolves. By their fruits ye shall know them."[890] The sheep's
clothing is seen in the praises of Christ; the fruits of their
wolfish nature in their slanderous teeth.
Chap. lxxiv.—165. Petilianus said: "O wretched traditors!
Thus indeed it was fitting that Scripture should be
fulfilled. But in you I grieve for this, that you have shown
yourselves worthy to fulfil the part of wickedness."
166. Augustine answered: I might rather say, O wretched
traditors! if I were minded, or rather if justice urged me to
cast up against all of you the deeds of some among your
number. But as regards what bears on all of you, O wretched
heretics, I on my part will quote the remainder of your words;
for it is written, "There must be also heresies among you,
that they which are approved may be made manifest among
you."[891] Therefore "it was fitting thus that Scripture should
be fulfilled. But in you I grieve for this, that you have
shown yourselves worthy to fulfil the part of wickedness."
Chap. lxxv.—167. Petilianus said: "But to us the Lord
Christ, in opposition to your deadly commands, commanded
simple patience and harmlessness. For what says He? 'A
new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another;
as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.' And
again, 'By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.'"[892]
168. Augustine answered: If you did not transfer these
words, so widely differing from your character, to the surface
of your talk, how could you be covering yourselves with
sheep's clothing?
Chap. lxxvi.—169. Petilianus said: "Paul also, the apostle,
whilst he was suffering fearful persecutions at the hands of
all nations, endured even more grievous troubles at the hands
of false brethren, as he bears witness of himself, being oftentimes
afflicted: 'In perils by the heathen, in perils by mine
own countrymen, in perils among false brethren.'[893] And
again he says, 'Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of
Christ.'[894] When, therefore, false brethren like yourselves
assault us, we imitate the patience of our master Paul under
our dangers."
170. Augustine answered: Certainly those of whom you
speak are false brethren, of whom the apostle thus complains
in another place, where he is extolling the natural sincerity
of Timothy: "I have no man," he says, "like-minded, who
will naturally care for your state. For all seek their own, not
the things which are Jesus Christ's."[895] Undoubtedly he was
speaking of those who were with him at the time when he
was writing that epistle; for it could not be that all Christians
in every quarter of the earth were seeking their own,
and not the things which were Jesus Christ's. It was of
those, therefore, as I said, who were with him at the time
when he was writing the words which you have quoted, that
he uttered this lamentation. For who else was it to whom
he referred, when he says in another place, "Without were
fightings, within were fears,"[896] except those whom he feared
all the more intensely because they were within? If, therefore,
you would imitate Paul, you would be tolerant of false
brethren within, not a slanderer of the innocent without.
Chap. lxxvii.—171. Petilianus said: "For what kind
of faith is that which is in you which is devoid of charity?
when Paul himself says, 'Though I speak with the tongues
of men, and have the knowledge of angels, and have not
charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so
that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am
nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the
poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not
charity, it profiteth me nothing.'"
172. Augustine answered: This is what I said just now,
that you were desirous to be clad in sheep's clothing, that,
if possible, the sheep might feel your bite before it had any
consciousness of your approach. Is it not that praise of
charity in which you indulge that commonly proves your
calumny in the clearest light of truth? Will you bring it
about that those arms shall be no longer ours, because you
endeavour to appropriate them first? Furthermore, these
arms are endowed with life: from whatever quarter they are
launched, they recognise whom they should destroy. If they
have been sent forth from our hands, they will fix themselves
in you; if they are aimed by you, they recoil upon yourselves.
For in these apostolic words, which commend the
excellence of charity, we are wont to show to you how profitless
it is to man that he should be in possession of faith or
of the sacraments, when he has not charity, that, when you
come to Catholic unity, you may understand what it is that is
conferred on you, and how great a thing it is of which you were
at least to some extent in want; for Christian charity cannot
be preserved except in the unity of the Church: and that so
you may see that without it you are nothing, even though
you may be in possession of baptism and faith, and through
this latter may be able even to remove mountains. But if
this is your opinion as well, let us not repudiate and reject
in you either the sacraments of God which we know, or faith
itself, but let us hold fast charity, without which we are nothing
even with the sacraments and with faith. But we hold fast
charity if we cling to unity; while we cling to unity, if we
do not make a fictitious unity in a party by our own words,
but recognise it in a united whole through the words of
Christ.
Chap. lxxviii.—173. Petilianus said: "And again,
'Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not;
charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave
itself unseemly, seeketh not her own.' But you seek what
belongs to other men. 'Is not easily provoked, thinketh no
evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
beareth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth.'[897]
This is to say, in short, Charity does not persecute, does not
inflame emperors to take away the lives of other men; does
not plunder other men's goods; does not go on to murder
men whom it has spoiled."
174. Augustine answered: How often must I tell you the
same thing? If you do not prove these charges, they tell
against no one in the world; and if you prove them, they
have no bearing upon us; just as those things have no bearing
upon you which are daily done by the furious deeds of
the insane, by the luxury of the drunken, by the blindness of
the suicides, by the tyranny of robbers. For who can fail to
see that what I say is true? But now if charity were in you,
it would rejoice in the truth. For how neatly it is said under
covering of the sheep's clothing, "Charity beareth all things,
endureth all things!" but when you come to the test, the
wolf's teeth cannot be concealed. For when, in obedience to
the words of Scripture, "forbearing one another in love, endeavouring
to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of
peace,"[898] charity would compel you, even if you knew of any
evils within the Church, I do not say to consent to them, but
yet to tolerate them if you could not prevent them, lest, on
account of the wicked who are to be separated by the winnowing-fan
at the last day, you should at the present time sever
the bond of peace by breaking off from the society of good
men, you, resisting her influence, and being cast out by the
wind of levity, charge the wheat with being chaff, and declare
that what you invent of the wicked holds good through the
force of contagion even in the righteous. And when the
Lord has said, "The field is the world, the harvest is the end
of the world," though He said of the wheat and of the tares,
"Let both grow together until the harvest,"[899] you endeavour
by your words to bring about a belief that the wheat has
perished throughout the main portion of the field, and only
continued to exist in your little corner,—being desirous that
Christ should be proved a liar, but you the man of truth.
And you speak, indeed, against your own conscience; for no
one who in any way looks truly at the gospel will venture in
his heart to say that in all the many nations throughout
which is heard the response of Amen, and among whom
Alleluia is sung almost with one single voice, no Christians
are to be found. And yet, that it may not appear that the
party of Donatus, which does not communicate with the
several nations of the world, is involved in error, if any
angel from heaven, who could see the whole world, were to
declare that outside your communion good and innocent men
were nowhere to be found, there is little doubt that you would
rejoice over the iniquity of the human race, and boast of
having told the truth before you had received assurance of it.
How then is there in you that charity which rejoices not in
iniquity? But be not deceived. Throughout the field, that is,
throughout the world, there will be found the wheat of the
Lord growing till the end of the world. Christ has said
this: Christ is truth. Let charity be in you, and let it rejoice
in the truth. Though an angel from heaven preach
unto you another gospel contrary to His gospel, let him be
accursed.[900]
Chap. lxxix.—175. Petilianus said: "Lastly, what is
the justification of persecution? I ask you, you wretched
men, if it so be that you think that your sin rests on any
authority of law."
176. Augustine answered: He who sins, sins not on the
authority of the law, but against the authority of the law.
But since you ask what is the justification of persecution, I
ask you in turn whose voice it is that says in the psalm,
"Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut
off."[901] Seek therefore the reason or the measure of the persecution,
and do not display your gross ignorance by finding
fault in general terms with those who persecute the
unrighteous.
Chap. lxxx.—177. Petilianus said: "But I answer you,
on the other hand, that Jesus Christ never persecuted any
one. And when the apostles found fault with certain parties,
and suggested that He should have recourse to persecution (He
Himself having come to create faith by inviting men to Him,
rather than by compelling them), those apostles say, 'Many
lay on hands in Thy name, and are not with us:' but Jesus
said, 'Let them alone: if they are not against you, they are
on your side.'"
178. Augustine answered: You say truly that you will
bring forth out of your store with greater abundance things
which are not written in the Scriptures. For if you wish
to bring forth proofs from holy Scripture, will you bring forth
even those which you cannot find therein? But it is in your
own power to multiply your lies according to your will. For
where is what you quoted written? or when was that either
suggested to our Lord, or answered by our Lord? "Many
lay on hands in Thy name, and are not with us," are words
that no one of the disciples ever uttered to the Son of God;
and therefore neither could the answer have been made by
Him, "Let them alone: if they are not against you, they are
on your side." But there is something somewhat like it
which we really do read in the gospel,—that a suggestion was
made to the Lord about a certain man who was casting out
devils in His name, but did not follow Him with His disciples;
and in that case the Lord does say, "Forbid him not: for he
that is not against us is for us."[902] But this has nothing to do
with pointing out parties whom the Lord is supposed to have
spared. And if you have been deceived by an apparent resemblance
of sentiment, this is not a lie, but merely human
infirmity. But if you wished to cast a mist of falsehood over
those who are unskilled in holy Scripture, then may you be
pricked to the heart, and covered with confusion and corrected.
Yet there is a point which we would urge in respect of this
very man of whom the suggestion was made to our Lord.
For even as at that time, beyond the communion of the disciples,
the holiness of Christ was yet of the greatest efficacy, even
so now, beyond the communion of the Church, the holiness of
the sacraments is of avail. For neither is baptism consecrated
save in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost. But who will be so utterly insane as to declare
that the name of the Son may be of avail even beyond the
communion of the Church, but that this is not possible with
the names of the Father and of the Holy Ghost? or that it
may be of avail in healing a man, but not in consecrating
baptism? But it is manifest that outside the communion of
the Church, and the most holy bond of unity, and the most excellent
gift of charity, neither he by whom the devil is cast
out nor he who is baptized obtains eternal life; just as those
do not obtain it, who through communion in the sacraments
seem indeed to be within, and through the depravity of their
character are understood to be without. But that Christ
persecuted even with bodily chastisement those whom He
drove with scourges from the temple, we have already said
above.
Chap. lxxxi.—179. Petilianus said: "But the holy
apostle said this: 'In any way, whatsoever it may be,' he
says, 'let Christ be preached.'"
180. Augustine answered: You speak against yourself;
but yet, since you speak on the side of truth, if you love it,
let what you say be counted for you. For I ask of you of
whom it was that the Apostle Paul said this? Let us, if
you please, trace this a little further back. "Some," he says,
"preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good
will. The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing
to add affliction to my bonds; but the other of love,
knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What
then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in
truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and
will rejoice."[903] We see that they preached what was in itself
holy, and pure, and true, but yet not in a pure manner, but
of envy and contention, without charity, without purity.
Certainly a short time ago you appeared to be urging the
praises of charity as against us, according to the witness of
the apostle, that where there is no charity, whatever there is is
of no avail; and yet you see that in those there is no charity,
and there was with them the preaching of Christ, of which
the apostle says here that he rejoices. For it is not that he
rejoices in what is evil in them, but in what is good in the
name of Jesus Christ. In him assuredly there was the
charity which "rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the
truth."[904] The envy, moreover, which was in them is an evil
proceeding from the devil, for by this he has both killed and
cast down. Where then were these wicked men whom the
apostle thus condemns, and in whom there was so much
that was good to cause him to rejoice? Were they within, or
without? Choose which you will. If they were within, then
Paul knew them, and yet they did not pollute him. And so
you would not be polluted in the unity of the whole world
by those of whom you make certain charges, whether these be
true, or falsehoods invented by yourselves. But if they were
without, then you see that even in those who were without,
and who certainly cannot belong to everlasting life, since they
have not charity, and do not abide in unity, there is yet
found the holiness of the name of Christ, so that the apostle
joyfully confirms their teaching, on account of the intrinsic
holiness of the name, although he repudiates them. We are
right, therefore, in not doing wrong to the actual name, when
those come to us who were without; but we correct the individuals,
while we do honour to the name. Do you therefore
take heed, and see how wickedly you act in the case of
those whose acts as it seems you condemn, by treating as
naught the sacrament of the name of Christ, which is holy in
them. And you, indeed, as is shown by your words, think
that those men of whom the apostle spoke were outside the
limits of the Church. Therefore, when you fear persecution
from the Catholics, of which you speak in order to create
odium against us, you have confirmed in heretics the name of
Christ to which you do despite by rebaptizing.
Chap. lxxxii.—181. Petilianus said: "If then there are
not some to whom all this power of faith is found to be in
opposition, on what principle do you persecute, so as to compel
men to defile themselves?"
182. Augustine answered: We neither persecute you,
except so far as truth persecutes falsehood; nor has it anything
to do with us if any one has persecuted you in other
ways, just as it has nothing to do with you if any of your
party do likewise; nor do we compel you to defile yourselves,
but we persuade you to be cured.
Chap. lxxxiii.—183. Petilianus said: "But if authority
had been given by some law for persons to be compelled to
what is good, you yourselves, unhappy men, ought to have
been compelled by us to embrace the purest faith. But far
be it, far be it from our conscience to compel any one to
embrace our faith."
184. Augustine answered: No one is indeed to be compelled
to embrace the faith against his will; but by the
severity, or one might rather say, by the mercy of God, it is
common for treachery to be chastised with the scourge of
tribulation. Is it the case, because the best morals are chosen
by freedom of will, that therefore the worst morals are not
punished by integrity of law? But yet discipline to punish
an evil manner of living is out of the question, except where
principles of good living which had been learned have come
to be despised. If any laws, therefore, have been enacted
against you, you are not thereby forced to do well, but are
only prevented from doing ill.[905] For no one can do well
unless he has deliberately chosen, and unless he has loved
what is in free will; but the fear of punishment, even if it
does not share in the pleasures of a good conscience, at any
rate keeps the evil desire from escaping beyond the bounds of
thought. Who are they, however, that have enacted laws by
which your audacity could be repressed? Are they not those
of whom the apostle says that "they bear not the sword in
vain; for they are the ministers of God, revengers to execute
wrath on them that do evil?"[906] The whole question therefore
is, whether you are not doing ill, who are charged by the
whole world with the sacrilege of so great a schism. And yet,
neglecting the discussion of this question, you talk on irrelevant
matters; and while you live as robbers, you boast that you
die as martyrs.[907] And, through fear either of the laws themselves,
or of the odium which you might incur, or else because
you are unequal to the task of resisting, I do not say so many
men, but so many Catholic nations, you even glory in your
gentleness, that you do not compel any to join your party.
According to your way of talking, the hawk, when he has
been prevented by flight from carrying off the fowls, might
call himself a dove. For when have you ever had the power
without using it? And hence you show how you would do
more if you only could. When Julian, envying the peace of
Christ, restored to you the churches which belonged to unity,
who could tell of all the massacres which were committed by
you, when the very devils rejoiced with you at the opening of
their temples? In the war with Firmus and his party, let
Mauritania Cæsariensis itself be asked to tell us what the
Moor Rogatus[907] suffered at your hands. In the time of Gildo,
because one of your colleagues[908] was his intimate friend, let
the followers of Maximianus be our witnesses to their sufferings.
For if one might appeal to Felicianus himself, who is
now with you, on his oath, whether Optatus did not compel
him against his will to return to your communion, he would
not dare to open his lips, especially if the people of Musti
could behold his face, who were witnesses to everything that
was done. But let them, as I have said, be witnesses to what
they have suffered at the hands of those with whom they
acted in such wise towards Rogatus. The Catholic Church
herself, though strengthened by the assistance of Catholic
princes ruling by land and sea, was savagely attacked by
hostile troops in arms under Optatus. It was this that first
made it necessary to urge before the vicar Servanus that the
law should be put in force against you which imposes a fine
of ten pounds of gold, which none of you have ever paid to
this very day, and yet you charge us with cruelty. But
where could you find a milder course of proceeding, than that
crimes of such magnitude on your part should be punished by
the imposition of a pecuniary fine? Or who could enumerate
all the deeds which you commit in the places which you hold,
of your own sovereign will and pleasure, each one as he can,
without any friendship on the part of judges or any others in
authority? Who is there of our party, among the inhabitants
of our towns, who has not either learned something of this
sort from those who came before him, or experienced it for
himself? Is it not the case that at Hippo, where I am, there
are not wanting some who remember that your leader Faustinus
gave orders, in the time of his supreme power, in consequence
of the scanty numbers of the Catholics in the place,
that no one should bake their bread for them, insomuch that
a baker, who was the tenant of one of our deacons, threw
away the bread of his landlord unbaked, and though he was
not sentenced to exile under any law, he cut him off from all
share in the necessaries of life not only in a Roman state,[909]
but even in his own country, and not only in his own country,
but in his own house? Why, even lately, as I myself recall
with mourning to this day, did not Crispinus of Calama, one
of your party, having bought a property, and that only copyhold,[910]
boldly and unhesitatingly immerse in the waters of a
second baptism no less than eighty souls, murmuring with
miserable groans under the sole influence of terror; and this
in a farm belonging to the Catholic emperors, by whose laws
you were forbidden even to be in any Roman city?[911] But
what else was it, save such deeds as these of yours, that made
it necessary for the very laws to be passed of which you complain?
The laws, indeed, are very far from being proportionate
to your offences; but, such as they are, you may thank
yourselves for their existence. Indeed, should we not certainly
be driven on all sides from the country by the furious
attacks of your Circumcelliones, who fight under your command
in furious troops, unless we held you as hostages in the
towns, who might well be unwilling to endure under any circumstances
the mere gaze of the people, and the censure of
all honourable men, from very shame, if not from fear? Do
not therefore say, "Far be it, far be it from our conscience,
to force any one to embrace our faith." For you do it when
you can; and when you do not do it, it is because you are
unable, either from fear of the laws or the odium which would
accompany it, or because of the numbers of those who would
resist.
Chap. lxxxiv.—185. Petilianus said: "For the Lord
Christ says, 'No man can come to me, except the Father
which hath sent me draw him.'[912] But why do we not permit
each several person to follow his free will, since the Lord
God Himself has given free will to men, showing to them,
however, the way of righteousness, lest any one by chance
should perish from ignorance of it? For He said, 'I have
placed before thee good and evil. I have set fire and water
before thee: stretch forth thine hand unto whether thou wilt.'
From which choice, you wretched men, you have chosen for
yourselves not water, but rather fire. 'But yet,' He says,
'stretch forth thine hand unto the good, that thou mayest
live.'[913] You who will not choose the good, have, by your own
sentence, declared that you do not wish to live."
186. Augustine answered: If I were to propose to you
the question how God the Father draws men to the Son,
when He has left them to themselves in freedom of action,
you would perhaps find it difficult of solution. For how does
He draw them to Him if He leaves them to themselves, so
that each should choose what he pleases? And yet both
these facts are true; but this is a truth which few have intellect
enough to penetrate. As therefore it is possible that,
after leaving men to themselves in free will, the Father should
yet draw them to the Son, so is it also possible that those
warnings which are given by the correction of the laws do not
take away free will. For whenever a man suffers anything
that is harsh and unpleasing, he is warned to consider why it
is that he is suffering, so that, if he shall discover that he is
suffering in the cause of justice, he may choose the good that
consists in the very act of suffering as he does in the cause of
justice; but if he sees that it is unrighteousness for which he
suffers, he may be induced, from the consideration that he is
suffering and being tormented most fruitlessly, to change his
purpose for the better, and may at the same time escape both
the fruitless annoyance and the unrighteousness itself, which
is likely to prove yet more hurtful and pernicious in the mischief
it produces. And so you, when kings make any enactments
against you, should consider that you are receiving a
warning to consider why this is being done to you. For if it
is for righteousness' sake, then are they truly your persecutors;
but you are the blessed ones, who, being persecuted for righteousness'
sake, shall inherit the kingdom of heaven:[914] but if it
is because of the iniquity of your schism, what are they more
than your correctors; while you, like all the others who are
guilty of various crimes, and pay the penalty appointed by
the law, are undoubtedly unhappy both in this world and in
that which is to come? No one, therefore, takes away from
you your free will. But I would urge you diligently to consider
which you would rather choose,—whether to live corrected
in peace, or, by persevering in malice, to undergo real punishment
under the false name of martyrdom. But I am addressing
you just as though you were suffering something proportionate
to your sin, whereas you are committing sins of such enormity
and reigning in such impunity. You are so furious, that you
cause more terror than a war trumpet with your cry of "Praise
to God;" so full of calumny, that even when you throw yourselves
over precipices without any provocation, you impute it
to our persecutions.
187. He says also, like the kindest of teachers, "You who
will not choose the good, have, by your own sentence, declared
that you do not wish to live." According to this, if we were
to believe your accusations, we should live in kindness; but
because we believe the promises of God, we declare by our
own sentence that we do not wish to live. You remember
well, it seems to me, what the apostles answered to the Jews
when they were desired to abstain from preaching Christ.
This therefore we also say, that you should answer us whether
we ought rather to obey God or man.[915] Traditors, offerers of
incense, persecutors: these are the words of men against men.
Christ remained only in the love of Donatus: these are the
words of men extolling the glory of a man under the name of
Christ, that the glory of Christ Himself may be diminished.
For it is written, "In the multitude of people is the king's
honour: but in the want of people is the destruction of the
prince:"[916] these, therefore, are the words of men. But those
words in the gospel, "It behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise
from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission
of sins should be preached in His name among all nations,
beginning at Jerusalem,"[917] are the words of Christ, showing
forth the glory which He received from His Father in the
wideness of His kingdom. When we have heard them both,
we choose in preference the communion of the Church, and
prefer the words of Christ to the words of men. I ask, who
is there that can say that we have chosen what is evil, except
one who shall say that Christ taught what was evil?
Chap. lxxxv.—188. Petilianus said: "Is it then the case
that God has ordered the massacre even of schismatics? and
if He were to issue such an order at all, you ought to be slain
by some barbarians and Scythians, not by Christians."
189. Augustine answered: Let your Circumcelliones remain
quiet, and let me entreat you not to terrify us about
barbarians. But as to whether we or you are schismatics, let
the question be put neither to you nor to me, but to Christ,
that He may show where His Church is to be found. Read
the gospel then, and there you find the answer, "In Jerusalem,
and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part
of the earth."[918] If any one, therefore, is not found within the
Church, let not any further question be put to him, but let
him either be corrected or converted, or else, being detected,
let him not complain.
Chap. lxxxvi.—190. Petilianus said: "For neither has
the Lord God at any time rejoiced in human blood, seeing that
He was even willing that Cain, the murderer of his brother,
should continue to exist in his murderer's life."
191. Augustine answered: If God was unwilling that
death should be inflicted on him who slew his brother, preferring
that he should continue to exist in his murderer's life,
see whether this be not the cause why, seeing that the heart
of the king is in the hand of God, whereby he has himself
enacted many laws for your correction and reproof, yet no law
of the king has commanded that you should be put to death,
perhaps with this very object, that any one of you who persists
in the obstinate self-will of his sacrilegious madness
should be tortured with the punishment of the fratricide Cain,
that is to say, with the life of a murderer. For we read that
many were slain in mercy by Moses the servant of the Lord;
for in that he prayed thus in intercession to the Lord for
their wicked sacrilege, saying, "O Lord, if Thou wilt forgive
their sin—; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of the book
which Thou hast written,"[919] his unspeakable charity and mercy
are plainly shown. Could it be, then, that he was suddenly
changed to cruelty, when, on descending from the mount, he
ordered so many thousands to be slain? Consider, therefore,
whether it may not be a sign of greater anger on the part of
God, that, whilst so many laws have been enacted against you,
you have not been ordered by any emperor to be put to death.
Or do you think that you are not to be compared to that
fratricide? Hearken to the Lord speaking through His prophet:
"From the rising of the sun, even unto the going down
of the same, my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and
in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and
a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the
heathen, saith the Lord of hosts."[920] On this brother's sacrifice
you show that you look with malignant eyes, over and above
the respect which God pays to it; and if ye have ever heard
that "from the rising of the sun, unto the going down of the
same, the Lord's name is to be praised,"[921] which is that living
sacrifice of which it is said, "Offer unto God thanksgiving,"[922]
then will your countenance fall like that of yonder murderer.
But inasmuch as you cannot kill the whole world, you are
involved in the same guilt by your mere hatred, according to
the words of John, "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer."[923]
And I would that any innocent brother might rather
fall into the hands of your Circumcelliones, to be murdered
by their weapons, than be subjected to the poison of your
tongue and rebaptized.
Chap. lxxxvii.—192. Petilianus said: "We advise you,
therefore, if so be that you will hear it willingly, and even
though you do not willingly receive it, yet we warn you that
the Lord Christ instituted for Christians, not any form of slaying,
but one of dying only. For if He loved men who thus delight
in battle, He would not have consented to be slain for us."
193. Augustine answered: Would that your martyrs would
follow the form that He prescribed! they would not throw
themselves over precipices, which He refused to do at the
bidding of the devil.[924] But when you persecute our ancestors
with false witness even now that they are dead, whence have
you received this form? In that you endeavour to stain us
with the crimes of men we never knew, while you are unwilling
that the most notorious misdeeds of your own party
should be reckoned against you, whence have you received
this form? But we are too much yielding to our own conceit
if we find fault about ourselves, when we see that you utter
false testimony against the Lord Himself, since He Himself
both promised and made manifest that His Church should
extend throughout all nations, and you maintain the contrary.
This form, therefore, you did not receive even from the Jewish
persecutors themselves; for they persecuted His body while
He was walking on the earth: you persecute His gospel as
He is seated in heaven. Which gospel endured more meekly
the flames of furious kings than it can possibly endure your
tongues; for while they blazed, unity remained, and this it
cannot do amid your words. They who desired that the word
of God should perish in the flames did not believe that it
could be despised if read. They would not, therefore, set their
flames to work upon the gospel, if you would let them use
your tongues against the gospel. In the earlier persecution
the gospel of Christ was sought by some in their rage, it was
betrayed by others in their fear; it was burned by some in
their rage, it was hidden by others in their love; it was
attacked, but none were found to speak against its truth. The
more accursed share of persecution was reserved for you when
the persecution of the heathen was exhausted. Those who
persecuted the name of Christ believed in Christ: now those
who are honoured for the name of Christ are found to speak
against His truth.
Chap. lxxxviii.—194. Petilianus said: "Here you have
the fullest possible proof that a Christian may take no part in
the destruction of another. But the first establishing of this
principle was in the case of Peter, as it is written, 'Simon
Peter having a sword, drew it, and smote the high priest's
servant, and cut off his right ear. Then said Jesus unto Peter,
Put up thy sword into the sheath. F or all they that take the
sword shall perish with the sword.'"[925]
195. Augustine answered: Why then do you not restrain
the weapons of the Circumcelliones with such words as these?
Should you think that you were going beyond the words of
the gospel if you should say, All they that take the cudgel
shall perish with the cudgel? Withhold not then your
pardon, if our ancestors were unable to restrain the men by
whom you complain that Marculus was thrown down a precipice;
for neither is it written in the gospel, He that useth
to throw men down a precipice shall be cast therefrom. And
would that, as your charges are either false or out of date, so
the cudgels of those friends of yours would cease! And yet,
perhaps, you take it ill that, if not by force of law, at any
rate in words, we take away their armour from your legions
in saying that they manifest their rage with sticks alone.
For that was the ancient fashion of their wickedness, but now
they have advanced too far. For amid their drunken revellings,
and amid the free licence of assembling together, wandering
in the streets, jesting, drinking, chambering in company
with women who have no husbands, they have learned not
only to brandish cudgels, but to wield swords and whirl slings.
But why should I not say to them (God knows with what
feelings I say it and with what feelings they receive it!), Madmen,
the sword of Peter, though drawn from motives not yet
free from fleshly impurity, was yet drawn in defence of the
body of Christ against the body of His persecutor, but your
arms are portioned out against the cause of Christ; but the
body of which He is the head, that is, His Church, extends
throughout all nations? He Himself has said this, and has
ascended into heaven, whither the fury of the Jews could not
follow Him; and it is your fury which attacks His members
in the body, which on His ascension He commended to our
care. In defence of those members all men rage against you,
all men resist you, as many as being in the Catholic Church,
and possessing as yet but little faith, are influenced by the
same motives as Peter was when he drew his sword in the
name of Christ. But there is a great difference between your
persecution and theirs. You are like the servant of the Jews'
high priest; for in the service of your princes you arm yourselves
against the Catholic Church, that is, against the body
of Christ. But they are such as Peter then was, fighting even
with the strength of their bodies for the body of Christ, that
is, the Church. But if they are bidden to be still, as Peter
then was bidden, how much more should you be warned that,
laying aside the madness of heresy, you should join the unity
of those members for which they so fight? But, being wounded
by such men as these, you hate us also; and, as though you
had lost your right ears, you do not hear the voice of Christ
as He sits at the right hand of the Father. But to whom
shall I address myself, or how shall I address myself to them,
seeing that in them I find no time wherein to speak? for even
early in the morning they are reeking with wine, drunk, it
may be already in the day, it may be still from overnight.
Moreover, they utter threats, and not they only, but their own
bishops utter threats concerning them, being ready to deny
that what they have done has any bearing on them. May the
Lord grant to us a song of degrees, in which we may say,
"My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace. I am
for peace: but when I speak, they are for war."[926] For thus
says the body of Christ, which throughout the whole world is
assailed by heretics, by some here, by others there, and by all
alike wherever they may be.[927]
Chap. lxxxix.—196. Petilianus said: "Therefore I say,
He ordained that we should undergo death for the faith,
which each man should do for the communion of the Church.
For Christianity makes progress by the deaths of its followers.
For if death were feared by the faithful, no man would be
found to live with perfect faith. For the Lord Christ says,
'Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it
abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.'"[928]
197. Augustine answered: I should be glad to know
which of your party it was who first threw himself over a
precipice. For truly that grain of corn was fruitful from
which so great a crop of similar suicides has sprung. Tell
me, when you make mention of the words of the Lord, that
He says a grain of wheat shall die and bring forth much
fruit, why do you envy the real fruit, which has most truly[929]
sprung up throughout the whole world, and bring up against
it all the charges of the tares or chaff which you have ever
either heard of or invented?
Chap. xc.—198. Petilianus said: "But you scatter thorns
and tares, not seeds of corn, so that you ought to be burned
together with them at the last judgment. We do not utter
curses; but every thorny conscience is bound under this
penalty by the sentence which God has pronounced."
199. Augustine answered: Surely, when you mention tares,
it might bring to your minds the thought of wheat as well;
for both have been commanded to grow together in the field
until the harvest. But you fix the eye of malice fiercely on
the tares, and maintain, in opposition to the express declaration
of Christ, that they alone have grown throughout the
earth, with the exception of Africa alone.
Chap. xci.—200. Petilianus said: "Where is the saying
of the Lord Christ, 'Whosoever shall smite thee on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also?'[930] Where is the patience
which He displayed when they spat upon His face, who Himself
with His most holy spittle opened the eyes of the blind?
Where is the saying of the Apostle Paul, 'If a man smite
you in the face?' Where is that other saying of the same
apostle, 'In stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent,
in deaths oft?'[931] He makes mention of the sufferings which
he underwent, not of the deeds which he performed. It had
been enough for the Christian faith that these things should
be done by the Jews: why do you, wretched men, do these
others in addition?"
201. Augustine answered: Is it then really so, that when
men smite you on the one cheek, you turn to them the
other? This is not the report that your furious bands won
for you by wandering everywhere throughout the whole of
Africa with dreadful wickedness. I would fain have it that
men should make a bargain with you, that, in accordance with
the old law, you should seek but "an eye for an eye, a tooth
for a tooth,"[932] instead of bringing out cudgels in return for the
words which greet your ears.
Chap. xcii.—202. Petilianus said: "But what have you
to do with the kings of this world, in whom Christianity has
never found anything save envy towards her? And to teach
you shortly the truth of what I say: A king persecuted
the brethren of the Maccabees.[933] A king also condemned
the three children to the sanctifying flames, being ignorant
what he did, seeing that he himself was fighting against God.[934]
A king sought the life of the infant Saviour.[935] A king exposed
Daniel, as he thought, to be eaten by wild beasts.[936] And the
Lord Christ Himself was slain by a king's most wicked judge.[937]
Hence it is that the apostle cries out, 'We speak wisdom
among them that are perfect; yet not the wisdom of this
world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the
hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto
our glory; which none of the princes of this world knew:
for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord
of glory.'[938] But grant that this was said of the heathen kings
of old. Yet you, rulers of this present age, because you desire
to be Christians, do not allow men to be Christians, seeing
that, when they are believing in all honesty of heart, you
draw them by the defilement and mist of your falsehood
wholly over to your wickedness, that with their arms, which
were provided against the enemies of the state, they should
assail the Christians, and should think that, at your instigation,
they are doing the work of Christ if they kill us whom
you hate, according to the saying of the Lord Christ: 'The time
cometh,' He says, 'that whosoever killeth you will think that
he doeth God service.'[939] It makes no matter therefore to you,
false teachers, whether the kings of this world desire to be
heathens, which God forbid, or Christians, so long as you
cease not in your efforts to arm them against the family of
Christ. But do you not know, or rather, have you not read,
that the guilt of one who instigates a murder is greater than
the guilt of him who carries it out? Jezebel had excited the
king her husband to the murder of a poor and righteous man,
yet husband and wife alike perished by an equal punishment.[940]
Nor indeed is your mode of urging on kings different from
that by which the subtle persuasion of women has often urged
kings on to guilt. For the wife of Herod earned and obtained
the boon by means of her daughter, that the head of John
should be brought to table in a charger.[941] Similarly the Jews
forced on Pontius Pilate that he should crucify the Lord
Jesus, whose blood Pilate prayed might remain in vengeance
upon them and on their children.[942] So therefore you also
overwhelm yourselves with our blood by your sin. For it
does not follow that because it is the hand of the judge that
strikes the blow, your calumnies therefore are not rather guilty
of the deed. For the prophet David says, speaking in the
person of Christ, 'Why do the heathen rage, and the people
imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord,
and against His Anointed, saying, Let us break their bands
asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth
in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in
derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and
vex them in His sore displeasure. Yet have I set my King
upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the
Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I
begotten Thee. Ask of me, and I shall give Thee the heathen
for Thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for
Thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.' And
he warned the kings themselves in the following precepts,
that they should not, like ignorant men devoid of understanding,
seek to persecute the Christians, lest they should themselves
be destroyed,—which precepts I would that we could
teach them, seeing that they are ignorant of them; or, at
least, that you would show them to them, as doubtless you
would do if you desired that they should live; or, at any rate,
if neither of the other courses be allowed, that your malice
would have permitted them to read them for themselves. The
first Psalm of David would certainly have persuaded them
that they should live and reign as Christians; but meanwhile
you deceive them, so long as they entrust themselves to you.
For you represent to them things that are evil, and you hide
from them what is good. Let them then at length read this,
which they should have read already long ago. For what does
he say, 'Be wise now therefore, O ye kings; be instructed, ye
judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice
with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and ye
perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him.'[943] You urge
on emperors, I say, with your persuasions, even as Pilate,
whom, as we showed above, the Jews urged on, though he
himself cried aloud, as he washed his hands before them all,
'I am innocent of the blood of this just person,'[944]—as though
a person could be clear from the guilt of a sin who had himself
committed it. But, to say nothing of ancient examples,
observe, from instances taken from your own party, how very
many of your emperors and judges have perished in persecuting
us. To pass over Nero, who was the first to persecute
the Christians, Domitian perished almost in the same way as
Nero, as also did Trajan, Geta,[945] Decius, Valerian, Diocletian;
Maximian also perished, at whose command that men should
burn incense to their gods, burning the sacred volumes, Marcellinus
indeed first, but after him also Mensurius of Carthage,
and Cæcilianus, escaped death from the sacrilegious
flames, surviving like some ashes or cinders from the burning.
For the consciousness of the guilt of burning incense involved
you all, as many as agreed with Mensurius. Macarius
perished, Ursacius[946] perished, and all your counts perished in
like manner by the vengeance of God. For Ursacius was
slain in a battle with the barbarians, after which birds of prey
with their savage talons, and the greedy teeth of dogs with
their biting, tore him limb from limb. Was not he too a
murderer at your suggestion, who, like king Ahab, whom we
showed to have been persuaded by a woman, slew a poor and
righteous man?[947] So you too do not cease to murder us,
who are just and poor (poor, that is, in worldly wealth; for in
the grace of God no one of us is poor). For even if you do
not murder a man with your hands, you do not cease to do
so with your butcherous tongues. For it is written, 'Death
and life are in the power of the tongue.'[948] All, therefore, who
have been murdered, you, the instigator of the deed, have
slain. Nor indeed does the hand of the butcher glow save
at the instigation of your tongue; and that terrible heat of
the breast is inflamed by your words to take the blood of
others,—blood that shall take a just vengeance upon him who
shed it."
203. Augustine answered: If I were to answer adequately,
and as I ought, to this passage, which has been exaggerated
and arranged at such length by you, where you speak in invidious
terms against us concerning the kings of this world,
I am much afraid that you would accuse me too of having
wished to excite the anger of kings against you. And yet,
whilst you are borne after your own fashion by the violence
of this invective against all Catholics, you certainly do not
pass me by. I will endeavour, however, to show, if I can,
that it is rather you who have been guilty of this offence by
speaking as you have done, than myself by answering as I
shall do. And first of all, see how you yourself oppose yourself;
for certainly you prefaced the passage which you quoted
with the words, "What have you to do with the kings of this
world, in whom Christianity has never found anything save
envy towards her?" In these words you certainly cut off
from us all access to the kings of this world. And a little
later you say, "And he warned the kings themselves in the
following precepts, that they should not, like ignorant men
devoid of understanding, seek to persecute the Christians, lest
they should be themselves destroyed,—which precepts I would
that we could teach them, seeing that they are ignorant of
them; or, at least, that you would show them to them, as
doubtless you would do if you desired that they should live."
In what way then do you wish us to be the instructors of
kings? And indeed those of our body who have any friendship
with Christian kings commit no sin if they make a right
use of that friendship; but if any are elated by it, they yet
sin far less grievously than you. For what had you, who thus
reproach us,—what had you to do with a heathen king, and
what is worse, with Julian, the apostate and enemy of the
name of Christ, to whom, when you were begging that the
basilicas should be restored to you as though they were your
own, you ascribed this meed of praise, "that in him justice
alone was found to have a place?"—in which words (for I
believe that you understand the Latin tongue) both the
idolatry and the apostasy of Judas are styled justice. I hold
in my hands the petition which your ancestors presented;
the memorial[949] which embodied their request; the chronicles,
where they made their representation. Watch and attend. To
the enemy of Christ, to the apostate, the antagonist of Christians,
the servant of the devil, that friend, that representative,
that Pontius of yours, made supplication in such words
as these: "Go to then, and say to us, What have you to do
with the kings of this world?" that as deaf men you may
read to the deaf nations what you as well as they refuse to
hear: "Thou beholdest the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye."[950]
204. "What," say you, "have you to do with the kings of
this world, in whom Christianity has never found anything
save envy towards her?" Having said this, you endeavoured
to reckon up what kings the righteous had found to be their
enemies, and did not consider how many more might be enumerated
who have proved their friends. The patriarch Abraham
was both most friendly treated, and presented with a token
of friendship, by a king who had been warned from heaven
not to defile his wife.[951] Isaac his son likewise found a king
most friendly to him.[952] Jacob, being received with honour by
a king in Egypt, went so far as to bless him.[953] What shall I
say of his son Joseph, who, after the tribulation of a prison,
in which his chastity was tried as gold is tried in the fire,
being raised by Pharaoh to great honours,[954] even swore by the
life of Pharaoh,[955]—not as though puffed up with vain conceit,
but being not unmindful of his kindness. The daughter of a
king adopted Moses.[956] David took refuge with a king of
another race, compelled thereto by the unrighteousness of the
king of Israel.[957] Elijah ran before the chariot of a most
wicked king,—not by the king's command, but from his own
loyalty.[958] Elisha thought it good to offer of his own accord to
the woman who had sheltered him anything that she might
wish to have obtained from the king through his intercession.[959]
But I will come to the actual times when the people of God
were in captivity, in which, to use a mild expression, a strange
forgetfulness came over you. For, wishing to prove that
Christianity has never found anything in kings saving envy
towards her, you made mention of the three children and
Daniel, who suffered at the hands of persecuting kings, and
you could not derive instruction from circumstances not occurring
near, but in the very same passages, viz. from the conduct
of the king himself after the miracle of the flames which
did no hurt, whether as shown in praising and setting forth
the name of God, or in honouring the three children themselves,
or from the esteem in which the king held Daniel, and
the gifts with which he honoured him, nothing loth to receive
them, when he, rendering the honour that was due to the
king's power, as sufficiently appears from his own words, did
not hesitate to use the gift with which he was endowed by
God, in interpreting the king's dream. And when, in consequence,
the king was compelled by the men who envied the
holy prophet, and heaped calumnies upon him with sacrilegious
madness, most unwillingly to cast him into the den of
lions, sadly though he did it, yet he had the conviction that
he would be safe through the help and protection of his God.
Accordingly, when Daniel, by the miraculous repression of
the lions' rage, had been preserved unhurt, when the friendly
voice of the king spoke first to him in accents of anxiety,
he himself replied with benediction from the den, "O king,
live for ever!"[960] How came it that, when your argument was
turning on the very same subject, when you were yourself
quoting the examples of the servants of God in whose case
these things were done, you either failed to see, or were unwilling
to see, or seeing and knowing, were silent, in a manner
which I know not how you will defend, about those instances
of friendship felt by kings for the saints? But if it were not
that, as a defender of the basest cause, you are hindered by
the desire of building up falsehood, and thereby turned away
either as unwilling or as ignorant from the light of truth,
there can be no doubt that you could, without any difficulty,
recall some good kings as well as some bad ones, and some
friendly to the saints as well as some unfriendly. And we
cannot but wonder that your Circumcelliones thus throw themselves
from precipices. Who was running after you, I pray?
What Macarius, what soldier was pursuing you? Certainly
none of our party thrust you into this abyss of falsehood.
Why then did you thus run headlong with your eyes shut, so
that when you said, "What have you to do with the kings of
this world?" you did not add, In whom Christianity has
often found envy towards herself, instead of boldly venturing
to say, "In whom Christianity has never found anything save
envy towards her?" Was it really true that you neither
thought yourself, nor considered that those who read your
writings would think, how many instances of kings there
were that went against your views? Does he not know
what he says?
205. Or do you think that, because those whom I have
mentioned belonged to olden times, therefore they form no
argument against you, because you did not say, In whom
righteousness has never found anything save envy towards
her, but "In whom Christianity has never found anything
saving envy towards her,"—meaning, perhaps, that it should
be understood that they began to show envy towards the
righteous from the time when they began to bear the name of
Christians? What then is the meaning of those examples
from olden times, by which you even more imprudently wished
to prove what you had so imprudently ventured to assert?
For was it not before Christ was born inf the world that the
Maccabees, and the three children, and Daniel, did and suffered
what you told of them? And again, why was it, as I
asked just now, that you offered a petition to Julian, the undoubted
foe of Christianity? Why did you seek to recover
the basilicas from him? Why did you declare that only
righteousness found a place with him? If it is the foe of
Christianity that hears such things as these, what then are
they from whom he hears them? But it should be observed
that Constantine, who was certainly no foe to the name of
Christian, but rather rendered glorious by it, being mindful of
the hope which he maintained in Christ, and deciding most
justly on behalf of His unity, was not worthy to be acknowledged
by you, even when you yourselves appealed to him.
Both these were emperors in Christian times, but yet not both
of them were Christians. But if both of them were foes of
Christianity, why did you thus appeal to one of them? why
did you thus present a petition to the other? For on your
ancestors making their petition, Constantine had given an
episcopal judgment both at Rome and at Arles; and yet the
first of them you accused before him, from the other you
appealed to him. But if, as is the case, one of them had believed
in Christ, the other had apostatized from Christ, why is
the Christian despised while furthering the interests of unity,
the apostate praised while favouring deceit? Constantine
ordered that the basilicas should be taken from you, Julian
that they should be restored. Do you wish to know which
of these actions is conducive to Christian peace? The one
was done by a man who had believed in Christ, the other by
one who had abandoned Christ. O how you would wish that
you could say, It was indeed ill done that supplication should
so be made to Julian; but what has that to do with us? But
if you were to say this, the Catholic Church would also conquer
in these same words, whose saints dispersed throughout the
world are much less concerned with what you say of those towards
whom you feel as you may be disposed to feel. But it
is beyond your power to say, It was ill done that supplication
should so be made to Julian. Your throat is closed; your tongue
is checked by an authority close at home. It was Pontius that
did it. Pontius presented the petition; Pontius declared that
the apostate was most righteous; Pontius set forth that only
righteousness found a place with the apostate. That Pontius
made a petition to him in these words, we have the express
evidence of Julian himself, mentioning him by name, without
any disguise. Your representations still exist. It is no uncertain
rumour, but public documents that bear witness to the
fact. Can it be, that because the apostate made some concession
to your prayer, to the detriment of the unity of Christ,
you therefore find truth in what was said, that only righteousness
found a place with him? but because Christian emperors
decide against your wishes, since this appears to them most
likely to contribute to the unity of Christ, therefore they are
called the foes of Christianity? Such folly may all heretics
display; and may they regain wisdom, so that they should be
no longer heretics.
206. And when is that fulfilled, you will say, which the
Lord declares, "The time cometh, that whosoever killeth you
will think that he doeth God service?"[961] At any rate, neither
can this be said of the heathen, who persecuted Christians,
not for the sake of God, but for the sake of their idols. You
do not see that if this had been said of these emperors
who rejoice in the name of Christian, their chief command
would certainly have been this, that you should have been put
to death; and this command they never gave at all. But the
men of your party, by opposing the laws in hostile fashion,
bring deserved punishment on themselves; and their own voluntary
deaths, so long as they think that they bring odium on
us, they consider in no wise ruinous to themselves. But if
they think that that saying of Christ refers to kings who
honour the name of Christ, let them ask what the Catholic
Church suffered in the East, when Valens the Arian was
emperor. There indeed I might find what I should understand
to be sufficient fulfilment of the saying of the Lord,
"The time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that
he doeth God service," that heretics should not claim, as conducing
to their especial glory, the injunctions issued against
their errors by Catholic emperors. But we remember that
that time was fulfilled after the ascension of our Lord, of
which holy Scripture is known by all to be a witness. The
Jews thought that they were doing a service to God when
they put the apostles to death. Among those who thought
that they were showing service to God was even our Saul,
though not ours as yet; so that among his causes for confidence
which were past and to be forgotten, he enumerates
the following: "An Hebrew," he says, "of the Hebrews; as
touching the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting
the Church."[962] Here was one who thought that he did God
service when he did what presently he suffered himself. For
forty Jews bound themselves by an oath that they would slay
him, when he caused that this should be made known to the
tribune, so that under the protection of a guard of armed men
he escaped their snares.[963] But there was no one yet to say to
him, What have you to do (not with kings, but) with tribunes
and the arms of kings? There was no one to say to him,
Dare you seek protection at the hand of soldiers, when your
Lord was dragged by them to undergo His suffering? There
were as yet no instances of madness such as yours; but there
were already examples being prepared, which should be sufficient
for their refutation.
207. Moreover, with what terrible force did you venture
to set forth and utter the following: "But to say nothing of
ancient examples, observe, from instances taken from your
own party, how very many of your emperors and judges have
perished in persecuting us." When I read this in your letter,
I waited with the most earnest expectation to see what you
were going to say, and whom you were going to enumerate,
when, lo and behold! as though passing them over, you began
to quote to me Nero, Domitian, Trajan, Geta, Decius, Valerian,
Diocletian, Maximian. I acknowledge that there were more;
but you have altogether forgotten against whom you are arguing.
Were not all of these pagans, persecuting generally
the Christian name on behalf of their idols? Be vigilant,
then; for the men whom you mention were not of our communion.
They were persecuting the whole aggregate of unity
itself, from which we, as you think, or you, as Christ teaches,
have gone forth. But you had proposed to show that our
emperors and judges had perished in consequence of persecuting
you. Or is it that you yourself do not require that we
should reckon these, because, in mentioning them, you passed
them over, saying, "To pass over Nero;" and with this reservation
did you mean to run through all the rest? What then
was the use of their being quoted, if they had nothing to do
with the matter? But what has it to do with me? I now
join with you in leaving these. Next, let that larger number
which you promised to us be produced, unless, indeed, it may
be that they cannot be found, inasmuch as you said that they
had perished.
208. For now you go on to make mention of the bishops
whom you are wont to accuse of having delivered up the
sacred books, concerning whom we on our part are wont to
answer: Either you fail in your proof, and so it concerns no
one at all; or you succeed, and then it still has no concern
with us. For they have borne their own burden, whether it
be good or bad; and we indeed believe that it was good. But
of whatever character it was, yet it was their own; just as
your bad men have borne their own burden, and neither you
theirs nor they yours. But the common and most evil burden
of you all is schism. This we have already often said before.
Show us, therefore, not the names of bishops, but the names
of our emperors and judges, who have perished in persecuting
you. For this is what you had proposed, this is what you had
promised, this is what you had caused us most eagerly to expect.
"Hear," he says, "Macarius perished, Ursacius perished,
and all your counts perished in like manner, by the vengeance
of God." You have mentioned only two by name, and neither
of them was emperor. Who would be satisfied with this, I
ask? Are you not utterly dissatisfied with yourself? You
promise that you will mention a vast number of emperors and
judges of our party who perished in persecuting you; and
then, without a word of emperors, you mention two who were
either judges or counts. For as to what you add, "And all
your counts perished in like manner by the vengeance of God,"
it has nothing to do with the matter. For on this principle
you might some time ago have closed your argument, without
mentioning the name of any one at all. Why then have you
not made mention of our emperors, that is to say, of emperors
of our communion? Were you afraid that you should be
indicted for high treason? Where is the fortitude that marks
the Circumcelliones? And further, what do you mean by introducing
those whom you mentioned above in such numbers?
They might with more right say to you, Why did you seek
out us? For they did nothing to assist your cause, and yet
you mentioned them by name. What kind of man, then, must
you be, who fear to mention those by name, who, as you say,
have perished? At any rate, you might mention more of the
judges and counts, of whom you seem to feel no fear. But
yet you stopped at Macarius and Ursacius. Are these two
whom you mention the vast number of whom you spoke?
Are you thinking of the lesson which we learned as boys?
For if you were to ask of me what number two is, singular or
plural, what could I answer, except that it was plural? But
even so I am still not without the means of reply. I take
away Macarius from your list; for you certainly have not told
us how he perished. Or do you maintain that any one who
persecutes you, unless he be immortal on the face of this
earth, is to be deemed when he dies to have died because of
you? What if Constantine had not lived to enjoy so long a
reign, and such prolonged prosperity, who was the first to pass
many decrees against your errors? And what if Julian, who
gave you back the basilicas, had not been so speedily snatched
away from life?[964] In that case, when would you make an end
of talking such nonsense as you do, seeing that even now you
are unwilling to hold your tongues? And yet neither do we
say that Julian died so soon because he gave back the basilicas
to you. For we might be equally prolix with you in this,
but we are unwilling to be equally foolish. Well, then, as I
had begun to say, from these two we will take away Macarius.
For when you had mentioned the names of two, Macarius and
Ursacius, you repeated the name of Ursacius with the view
of showing us how he deserved his death; and you said,
"For Ursacius was slain in a battle with the barbarians, after
which birds of prey with their savage talons, and the greedy
teeth of dogs with their biting, tore him limb from limb."
Whence it is quite clear, since it is your custom to excite
greater odium against us on account of Macarius, insomuch
that you call us not Ursacians but Macarians, that you would
have been sure to say by far the most concerning him, had
you been able to say anything of the sort about his death.
Of these two, therefore, when you used the plural number,
if you take away Macarius, there remains Ursacius alone, a
proper name of the singular number. Where is therefore the
fulfilment of your threatening and tremendous promise of so
many who should support your argument?
209. By this time all men who are in any degree acquainted
with the meaning of words must understand, it seems to me,
how ridiculous it is that, when you had said, "Macarius
perished, Ursacius perished, and all your counts perished in
like manner, by the vengeance of God," as though men were
calling upon you to prove the fact, whereas, in reality, neither
hearer nor reader was calling on you for anything further
whatsoever, you immediately strung together a long argument
in order to prove that all our counts perished in like manner
by the vengeance of God. "For Ursacius," you say, "was
slain in a battle with the barbarians, after which birds of prey
with their savage talons, and the greedy teeth of dogs with
their biting, tore him limb from limb." In the same way, any
one else, who was similarly ignorant of the meaning of what he
says, might assert that all your bishops perished in prison by
the vengeance of God; and when asked how he could prove
this fact, he might at once add, For Optatus, having been
accused of belonging to the company of Gildo, was put to death
in a similar way. Frivolous charges such as these we are
compelled to listen to, to consider, to refute; only we are apprehensive
for the weak, lest, from the greater slowness of their
intellect, they should fall speedily into your toils. But Ursacius,
of whom you speak, if it be the case that he lived a good life,
and really died as you assert, will receive consolation from the
promise of God, who says, "Surely your blood of your lives
will I require: at the hand of every beast will I require it."[965]
210. But as to the calumnious charges which you bring
against us, saying that by us the wrath of the kings of the
world is excited against you, so long as we do not teach
them the lesson of holy Scripture, but rather suggest our own
desire of war, I do not imagine that you are so absolutely
deaf to the eloquence of the sacred books themselves as that
you should not rather fear that they should be acquainted with
it. But whether you so will or no, they gain entrance to the
Church; and even if we hold our tongues, they give heed to
the readers: and, to say nothing of the rest, they especially
listen with the most marked attention to that very psalm which
you quoted. For you said that we do not teach them, nor, so
far as we can help it, allow them to become acquainted with
the words of Scripture: "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings;
be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear,
and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry,"[966]
etc. Believe that even this is sung, and that they hear it.
But, at any rate, they hear what is written above in the same
psalm, which you, unless I am mistaken, were only unwilling
to pass over, for fear you should be understood to be afraid.
They hear therefore this as well: "The Lord hath said unto
me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten Thee. Ask of
me, and I shall give Thee the heathen for Thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for Thy possession."[967] On
hearing which, they cannot but marvel that some should be
found to speak against this inheritance of Christ, endeavouring
to reduce it to a little corner of the earth; and in their marvel
they perhaps ask, on account of what they hear in what follows,
"Serve the Lord with fear," wherein they can serve Him, in
so far as they are kings. For all men ought to serve God,—in
one sense, in virtue of the condition common to them all, in
that they are men; in another sense, in virtue of their several
gifts, whereby this man has one function on the earth, and
that man has another. For no man, as a private individual,
could command that idols should be taken from the earth,
which it was so long ago foretold should come to pass.[968]
Accordingly, when we take into consideration the social condition
of the human race, we find that kings, in the very fact
that they are kings, have a service which they can render to
the Lord in a manner which is impossible for any who have
not the power of kings.
211. When, therefore, they think over what you quote, they
hear also what you yourself quoted concerning the three children,
and hear it with circumstances of marvellous solemnity.
For that same Scripture is most of all sung in the Church at
a time when the very festal nature of the season excites additional
fervour even in those who, during the rest of the year,
are more given to be sluggish. What then do you think must
be the feelings of Christian emperors, when they hear of the
three children being cast into the burning fiery furnace because
they were unwilling to consent to the wickedness of worshipping
the image of the king,[969] unless you suppose that they consider
that the pious liberty of the saints cannot be overcome
either by the power of kings, or by any enormity of punishment,
and that they rejoice that they are not of the number
of those kings who used to punish men that despised idols as
though they were guilty of sacrilege? But, further, when they
hear in what follows that the same king, terrified by the marvellous
sight of, not only the three children, but the very flames
performing service unto God, himself too began to serve God
in fear, and to rejoice with reverence, and to learn submission,
do they not understand that the reason that this was recorded,
and set forth with such publicity, was that an example might be
set both before the servants of God, to prevent them from committing
sacrilege in obedience to kings, and before kings themselves,
that they should show themselves religious by belief in
God? Being willing, therefore, on their part, from the admonition
of the very psalm which you yourself inserted in your
writings, both to be wise, and to receive instruction, and to
serve God with fear, and to rejoice unto Him with reverence,
and to learn submission, with what attention do they listen to
what that king said afterwards! For he said that he would
make a decree for all the people over whom he ruled, that
whosoever should speak blasphemy against the God of Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego should perish, and their house be
utterly destroyed. And if they know that he made this decree
that blasphemy should not be uttered against the God who
tempered the force of the fire, and liberated the three children,
they surely go on to consider what decrees they ought to make
in their kingdom, that the same God who has granted remission
of sins, and given freedom to the whole earth, should not
be treated with scorn among the faithful in their realm.
212. See therefore, when Christian kings make any decree
against you in defence of Catholic unity, that it be not the
case that with your lips you are accusing them of being unlearned,
as it were, in holy Scripture, while in your hearts you
are grieving that they are so well acquainted with its teaching.
For who could put up with the sacrilegious and hateful fallacy
which you advance in the case of one and the same Daniel, to
find fault with kings because he was cast into the den of lions,
and to refuse praise to kings in that he was raised to exalted
honour, seeing that, even when he was cast into the den of
lions, the king himself was more inclined to believe that he
would be safe than that he would be destroyed, and, in anxiety
for him, refused to eat his food? And then do you dare to
say to Christians, "What have you to do with the kings of the
world?" because Daniel suffered persecution at a king's hands,
and yet not look back upon the same Daniel faithfully interpreting
dreams to kings, calling a king lord, receiving gifts and
honours from a king? And so again do you dare, in the case
of the aforesaid three children, to excite the flames of odium
against kings, because, when they refused to worship the
statue, they were cast into the flames, while at the same
time you hold your tongue, and say nothing about their being
thus extolled and honoured by the king? Granted that the
king was a persecutor when he cast Daniel into the lions' den;
but when, on receiving him safely out again, in his joy and
congratulations he cast in his enemies to be torn in pieces
and devoured by the same lions, what was he then,—a persecutor,
or not?[970] I call on you to answer me. For if he was,
why did not Daniel himself resist him, as he might so easily
have done in virtue of his great friendship for him, while yet
you bid us restrain kings from persecuting men? But if he
was not a persecutor, because he avenged with prompt justice
the outrage committed against a holy man, what kind of vengeance,
I would ask, must be exacted from kings for indignities
offered to the sacraments of Christ, if the limbs of the prophet
required such a vengeance because they were exposed to danger?
Again, I acknowledge that the king, as indeed is manifest,
was a persecutor when he cast the three children into the
furnace because they refused to worship his image; but I ask
whether he was still a persecutor when he set forth the decree
that all who should blaspheme against the one true God should
be destroyed, and their whole house laid waste? For if he
was a persecutor, why do you answer Amen to the words of
a persecutor?[971] But if he was not a persecutor, why do you
call those persecutors who deter you from the madness of blasphemy?
For if they compel you to worship an idol, then
they are like the impious king, and you are like the three
children; but if they are preventing you from fighting against
Christ, it is you who are impious if you attempt to do this.
But what they may be if they forbid this with terrible threats,
I do not presume to say. Do you find some other name for
them, if you will not call them pious emperors.
213. If I had been the person to bring forward these
examples of Daniel and the three children, you would perhaps
resist, and declare that they ought not to have been brought
from those times in illustration of our days; but God be
thanked that you yourself brought them forward, to prove
the point, it is true, which you desired to establish, but you
see that their force was rather in favour of what you least
would wish to prove. Perhaps you will say that this proceeds
from no deceit of yours, but from the fallibility of
human nature. Would that this were true! Amend it, then.
You will not lose in reputation; nay, it marks unquestionably
the higher mind to extinguish the fire of animosity by
a frank confession, than merely to escape the mist of falsehood
by acuteness of the understanding.
Chap. xciii.—214. Petilianus said: "Where is the law
of God? where is your Christianity, if you not only commit
murders and put men to death, but also order such things to
be done?"
215. Augustine answered: In reply to this, see what the
fellow-heirs of Christ say throughout the world. We neither
commit murders, and put men to death, nor order such things
to be done; and you are raging much more madly than those
who do such things, in that you put such things into the
minds of men in opposition to the hopes of everlasting life.
Chap. xciv.—216. Petilianus said: "If you wish that
we should be your friends, why do you drag us to you against
our will? But if you wish that we should be your foes, why
do you kill your foes?"
217. Augustine answered: We neither drag you to us
against your will, nor do we kill our foes; but whatever we
do in our dealings with you, though we may do it contrary
to your inclination, yet we do it from our love to you, that
you may voluntarily correct yourselves, and live an amended
life. For no one lives against his will; and yet a boy, in order
to learn this lesson of his own free will,[972] is beaten contrary
to his inclination, and that often by the very man that is
most dear to him. And this, indeed, is what the kings would
desire to say to you if they were to strike you, for to this
end their power has been ordained of God. But you cry out
even when they are not striking you.
Chap. xcv.—218. Petilianus said: "But what reason is
there, or what inconsistency of emptiness, in desiring communion
with us so eagerly, when all the time you call us by
the false title of heretics?"
219. Augustine answered: If we so eagerly desired communion
with heretics, we should not be anxious that you
should be converted from the error of heresy; but when the
very object of our negotiations with you is that you should
cease to be heretics, how are we eagerly desiring communion
with heretics? For, in fact, it is dissension and division that
make you heretics; but peace and unity make men Catholics.
When, then, you come over from your heresy to us, you
cease to be what we hate, and begin to be what we love.
Chap. xcvi.—220. Petilianus said: "Choose, in short,
which of the two alternatives you prefer. If innocence is on
your side, why do you persecute us with the sword? Or if
you call us guilty, why do you, who are yourselves innocent,
seek for our company?"
221. Augustine answered: O most ingenious dilemma, or
rather most foolish verbosity! Is it not usual for the choice
of two alternatives to be offered to an antagonist, when it is
impossible that he should adopt both? For if you should
offer me the choice of the two propositions, that I should
say either that we were innocent, or that we were guilty; or,
again, of the other pair of propositions, viz. those concerning
you, I could not escape choosing either one or the other. But
as it is, you offer me the choice of these two, whether we
are innocent or you are guilty, and wish me to say which of
these two I choose for my reply. But I refuse to make a
choice; for I assert them both, that we are innocent, and that
you are guilty. I say that we are innocent of the false and
calumnious accusations which you bring against us, so far as
any of us, being in the Catholic Church, can say with a safe
conscience that we have neither given up the sacred books, nor
taken part in the worship of idols, nor murdered any man,
nor been guilty of any of the other crimes which you allege
against us; and that any who may have committed any such
offences, which, however, you have not proved in any case,
have thereby shut the doors of the kingdom of heaven, not
against us, but against themselves; "for every man shall
bear his own burden."[973] Here you have your answer on the
first head. And I further say that you are all guilty and
accursed,—not some of you owing to the sins of others, which
are wrought among you by certain of your number, and are
censured by certain others, but all of you by the sin of schism;
from which most heinous sacrilege no one of you can say that
he is free, so long as he refuses to hold communion with the
unity of all nations, unless, indeed, he be compelled to say
that Christ has told a lie concerning the Church which is
spread abroad among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.[974]
And so you have my second answer. See how I have made
you two replies, of which you were desirous that we should be
reduced to choose the one. At any rate, you should have
taken notice that both assertions might be made by us;
and certainly, if this was what you wished, you should
have asked it as a favour of us that we should choose one
or the other, when you saw that it was in our power to
choose both.
222. But "if innocence is on your side, why do you persecute
us with the sword?" Look back for a moment on
your troops, which are not now armed after the ancient
fashion of their fathers only with cudgels, but have further
added to their equipment axes and lances and swords, and
determine for yourselves to which of us the question best belongs,
"Why do you persecute us with the sword?" "Or if
you call us guilty," say you, "why do you, who are yourselves
innocent, seek for our company?" Here I answer very briefly.
The reason why you, being guilty, are sought after by the
innocent, is that you may cease to be guilty, and begin to be
innocent. Here then I have chosen both of the alternatives
concerning us, and answered both of those concerning you:
only do you in turn choose one of the two. Are you innocent
or guilty? Here you cannot choose to make the two
assertions, and yet choose both, if so it pleases you. For at
any rate you cannot be innocent in reference to the same
circumstances in respect of which you are guilty. If therefore
you are innocent, do not be surprised that you are invited
to be at peace with your brethren; but if you are guilty, do
not be surprised that you are sought for punishment by kings.
But since of these two alternatives you assume one for yourselves,
and the other is alleged of you by us,—for you assume
to yourselves innocence, and it is alleged of you by us that
you are living impiously,—hear again once more what I
shall say on either head. If you are innocent, why do you
speak against the testimony of Christ? But if you are guilty,
why do you not fly for refuge to His mercy? For His testimony,
on the one hand, is to the unity of the world, and His
mercy, on the other, is in brotherly love.
Chap. xcvii.—223. Petilianus said: "Lastly, as we have
often said before, how great is your presumption, that you
should speak as you presume to do of kings, when David says,
'It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in
man: it is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence
in princes!'"[975]
224. Augustine answered: We put no confidence in man,
but, so far as we can, we warn men to place their trust in the
Lord; nor do we put confidence in princes, but, so far as we
can, we warn princes to put confidence in the Lord. And
though we may seek aid from princes to promote the advantage
of the Church, yet do we not put confidence in them.
For neither did the apostle himself put confidence in that
tribune, in the sense in which the Psalmist talks of putting
confidence in princes, from whom he obtained for himself that
an escort of armed men should be assigned to him; nor did
he put confidence in the armed men, by whose protection he
escaped the snares of the wicked ones, in any such sense as
that of the Psalmist where he speaks of putting confidence in
men.[976] But neither do we find fault with you yourselves,
because you sought from the emperor that the basilicas should
be restored to you, as though you had put your trust in
Julian the prince; but we find fault with you, that you have
despaired of the witness of Christ, from whose unity you have
separated the basilicas themselves. For you received them at
the bidding of an enemy of Christ, that in them you should
despise the commands of Christ, whilst you find force and
truth in what Julian ordained, saying, "This, moreover, on the
petition of Rogatianus, Pontius, Cassianus, and other bishops,
not without an intermixture of clergy, is added to complete the
whole, that those proceedings which were taken to their prejudice
wrongly and without authority being all annulled,
everything should be restored to its former position;" and
yet you find nothing that has either force of truth in what
Christ ordained, saying, "Ye shall be witnesses unto me both
in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the
uttermost ends of the earth."[977] We entreat you, let yourselves
be reformed. Return to this most manifest unity of the whole
world; and let all things be restored to their former position,
not in accordance with the words of the apostate Julian, but
in accordance with the words of our Saviour Christ. Have
pity on your own soul. We are not now comparing Constantine
and Julian in order to show how different they are. We
are not saying, If you have not placed confidence in a man
and in a prince, when you said to a pagan and apostate emperor,
that "in him justice only found a place," seeing that
the party of Donatus has universally employed the prayers
and the proclamation in which those words occur, as is proved
by the records of the audience; much less ought we to be
accused by you, as though we put our confidence in any man
or prince, if without any blasphemous flattery we obtained
any request from Constantine or from the other Christian
emperors; or if they themselves, without our asking for it,
but remembering the account which they shall render to the
Lord, under whose words they tremble when they hear what
you yourself have quoted, "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings,"
etc., and many other sayings of the sort, make any ordinance
of their own accord in support of the unity of the Catholic
Church. But I say nothing about Constantine. It is Christ
and Julian that we contrast before you; nay, more than this,
it is God and man, the Son of God and the son of hell, the
Saviour of our souls and the destroyer of his own. Why do
you maintain the proclamation of Julian in the occupation of
the basilicas, and yet not maintain the gospel of Christ in
embracing the peace of the Church? We too cry out, Let all
things that have been done amiss be restored to their ancient
condition. The gospel of Christ is of greater antiquity than
the proclamation of Julian; the unity of Christ is of greater
antiquity than the party of Donatus; the prayers of the
Church to the Lord on behalf of the unity of the Church
are of greater antiquity than the prayers of Rogatianus, and
Pontius, and Cassianus, to Julian on behalf of the party of
Donatus. Are proceedings wrongly taken when kings forbid
division? and are they not wrongly taken when bishops
divide unity? Is that wrong action when kings minister to
the witness of Christ in defence of the Church? and is it not
wrong action when bishops contradict the witness of Christ in
order to deny the Church? We entreat you, therefore, that
the words of Julian himself, to whom you thus made supplication,
may be listened to, not in opposition to the gospel,
but in accordance with the gospel, and that all things which
have been done amiss may be restored to their former condition.
Chap. xcviii.—225. Petilianus said: "On you, yes you,
you wretched men, I call, who, being dismayed with the fear
of persecution, whilst you seek to save your riches, not your
souls, love not so much the faithless faith of the traitors, as
the wickedness of the very men whose protection you have
won unto yourselves,—just in the same way as sailors, shipwrecked
in the waves, plunge into the waves by which they
must be overwhelmed, and in the great danger of their lives
seek unmistakeably the very object of their dread; just as the
madness of a tyrant, that he may be free from apprehension
of any person whatsoever, desires to be feared, though this is
fraught with peril to himself: so, so you fly for refuge to the
citadel of wickedness, being willing to look on the loss or
punishment of the innocent if you may escape fear for yourselves.
If you consider that you escape danger when you
plunge into ruin, truly also it is a faith that merits condemnation
to observe the faith of a robber. Lastly, it is trafficking
in a madman's gains to lose your own souls in order not to
lose your wealth. For the Lord Christ says, 'If a man shall
gain the whole world, and lose his own soul, what shall a
man give in exchange for his soul?'"[978]
226. Augustine answered: That exhortation of yours
would be useful, I cannot but acknowledge, if any one were
to employ it in a good cause. It is undoubtedly well that
you have tried to deter men from preferring their riches to
their souls. But I would have you, who have heard these
words, listen also for a time to us; for we also say this, but
listen in what sense. If kings threaten to take away your
riches, because you are not Jews according to the flesh, or
because you do not worship idols or devils, or because you are
not carried about into any heresies, but abide in Catholic
unity, then choose rather that your riches should perish, that
you perish not yourselves; but be careful to prefer neither
anything else, nor the life of this world itself to eternal salvation,
which is in Christ. But if kings threaten you with loss
or condemnation, simply on the ground that you are heretics,
such things are terrifying you not in cruelty, but in mercy;
and your determination not to fear is a sign not of bravery,
but of obstinacy. Hear then the words of Peter, where he
says, "What glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults,
ye take it patiently?"[979] so that herein you have neither consolation
upon earth, nor in the world to come life everlasting;
but you have here the miseries of the unfortunate, and there
the hell of heretics. Do you see, therefore, my brother, with
whom I am now arguing, that you ought first to show whether
you hold the truth, and then to exhort men that in upholding
it they should be ready to give up all the blessings which
they possess in this present world? And so, when you do not
show this, because you cannot,—not that the talent is wanting,
but because the cause is bad,—why do you hasten by your
exhortations to make men both beggars and ignorant, both in
want and wandering from the truth, in rags and contentions,
household drudges and heretics, both losing their temporal
goods in this world, and finding eternal evils in the judgment
of Christ? But the cautious son, who, while he stands in
dread of his father's rod, keeps away from the lair of the
serpent, escapes both blows and destruction; whereas he
who despises the pains of discipline, when set in rivalry with
his own pernicious will, is both beaten and destroyed. Do
you not now understand, O learned man, that he who has
resigned all earthly goods in order to maintain the peace of
Christ, possesses God; whereas he who has lost even a very
few coins in behalf of the party of Donatus is devoid of
heart?
Chap. xcix.—227. Petilianus said: "But we who are
poor in spirit[980] are not apprehensive for our wealth, but rather
feel a dread of wealth. We, 'as having nothing, and yet possessing
all things,'[981] look on our soul as our wealth, and by
our punishments and blood purchase to ourselves the everlasting
riches of heaven. So again the same Lord says,
'Whosoever shall lose his substance, shall find it again an
hundredfold.'"
228. Augustine answered: It is not beside the purpose to
inquire into the true meaning of this passage also. For where
my purpose is not interfered with by any mistake which you
make, or any false impression which you convey in quoting
from the Scriptures, I do not concern myself about the matter.
It is not then written, "Whosoever shall lose his substance,"
but "Whosoever shall lose his life for my sake."[982] And the
passage about substance is not, "Whosoever shall lose," but
"Every one that hath forsaken;"[983] and that not only with
reference to substance of money, but many other things besides.
But you meanwhile have not lost your substance; but
whether you have forsaken it, in that you so boast of poverty,
I cannot say. And if by any chance my colleague Fortunatus
may know this, being in the same city with you, he never
told me, because I had never asked him. However, even if
you had done this, you have yet yourself quoted the testimony
of the apostle against yourself in this very epistle which you
have written: "Though I bestow all my goods to feed the
poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not
charity, it profiteth me nothing."[984] For if you had charity, you
would not bring charges against the whole world, which knows
nothing of you, and of which you know no more,—no, not
even such charges as are founded on the proved offences of the
Africans. If you had charity, you would not picture to yourself
a false unity in your calumnies, but you would learn to
recognise the unity that is most clearly set forth in the words
of the Lord: "Unto the uttermost part of the earth."[985] But
if you did not do this, why do you boast as though you had
done it? Are you really so filled with fear of riches, that,
having nothing, you possess all things? Tell that to your
colleague Crispinus, who lately bought a farm near our city
of Hippo, that he might there plunge men into the lowest
abyss of error.[986] Whence I too know this all too well. You
perhaps are not aware of it, and therefore shout out in
security, "We stand in fear of riches." And hence I am
surprised that that cry of yours has been allowed to pass
Crispinus, so as to reach us. For between Constantina, where
you are, and Hippo, where I am, lies Calama, where he is,
nearer indeed to our side, but still between us. I wonder,
therefore, how it was that he did not first intercept this cry,
and strike it back so that it should not reach to our ears; and
that he did not, in opposition to you, recite in much more
copious phrase a eulogy on riches. For he not only stands
in no fear of riches, but he actually loves them. And certainly,
before you utter anything about the rest, you should
rehearse such views to him. If he makes no corrections, then
we have our answer ready. But for yourself, if it be true
that you are poor, you have with you my brother Fortunatus.
You will be more likely with such sentiments to please him,
who is my colleague, than Crispinus, who is your own.
Chap. c.—229. Petilianus said: "Inasmuch as we live
in the fear of God, we have no fear of the punishments and
executions which you wreak with the sword; but the only
thing which we avoid is that by your most wicked communion
you destroy men's souls, according to the saying of the Lord
Himself: 'Fear not them which kill the body, but are not
able to kill the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to
destroy both soul and body in hell.'"[987]
230. Augustine answered: You do the destruction which
you speak of, not with a visible sword, but with that of which
it is said, "The sons of men, whose teeth are spears and
arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword."[988] For with this
sword of accusation and calumny against the world of which
you are wholly ignorant, you destroy the souls of those who
lack experience. But if you find fault with a most wicked
communion, as you term it, I would bid you presently, not
with my words, but with your own, to ascend, descend, enter,
turn yourself about, change sides, be such as was Optatus.
But if you return to your senses, and shall find that you are
not such as he, not because he refused to partake of the
sacraments with you, but because you took offence at what
he did, then you will acquit the world of crimes which do not
belong to it, and you will find yourself involved in the sin of
schism.
Chap. ci.—231. Petilianus said: "You therefore, who
prefer rather to be washed with the most false of baptisms
than to be regenerate, not only do not lay aside your sins, but
also load your souls with the offences of criminals. For as
the water of the guilty has been abandoned by the Holy
Spirit, so it is clearly filled full of the offences of the traditors.
To any wretched man, then, who is baptized by one of this
sort, we would say, If you have wished to be free from falsehood,
you are really drenched with falsity. If you desired
to shut out the sins of the flesh, you will, as the conscience
of the guilty comes upon you, be partakers likewise of their
guilt. If you wished to extinguish the flames of avarice, you
are drenched with deceit, you are drenched with wickedness,
you are drenched also with madness. Lastly, if you believe
that faith is identical in the giver and the receiver, you are
drenched with the blood of a brother by him who slays a
man. And so it comes to pass that you, who had come to
baptism free from sin, return from baptism guilty of the sin
of murder."
232. Augustine answered: I should like to come to
argument with those who shouted assent when they either
heard or read those words of yours. For such men have not
ears in their heart, but their heart in their ears. Yet let
them read again and again, and consider, and find out for
themselves, not what the sound of those words is, but what
they mean. First of all, to sift the meaning of the last
clause, "So it comes to pass," you say, "that you who had come
to baptism free from sin, return from baptism guilty of the sin
of murder:" tell me, to begin with, who there is that comes
to baptism free from sin, with the single exception of Him
who came to be baptized, not that His iniquity should be
purged away, but that an example of humility might be given
us? For what shall be forgiven to one free from sin? Or
are you indeed endowed with such an eloquence, that you can
show to us some innocence which yet committeth sin? Do
you not hear the words of Scripture saying, "No one is clean
from sin in Thy sight, not even the infant whose life is but of
a single day upon the earth?"[989] For whence else is it that
one hastens even with infants to seek remission of their sins?
Do you not hear the words of another Scripture, "In sin did
my mother conceive me?"[990] In the next place, if a man returns
a murderer, who had come without the guilt of murder,
merely because he receives baptism at a murderer's hands, then
all they who returned from receiving baptism at the hands of
Optatus were made partakers with Optatus. Go now, and
see with what face you cast in our teeth that we excite the
wrath of kings against you. Are you not afraid that as many
satellites of Gildo will be sought for among you, as there are
men who may have been baptized by Optatus? Do you see
at length how that sentence of yours, like an empty bladder,
has rattled not only with a meaningless sound, but on your
own head?
233. To go on to the other earlier arguments which you
have set before us to be refuted, they are of such a nature
that we must needs allow that every one returns from baptism
endued with the character of him by whom he is baptized;
but God forbid that those whom you baptize should return
from you infected with the same madness as possesses you
when you make such a statement! And what a dainty sound
there was in your words, "You are drenched with deceit, you
are drenched with wickedness, you are drenched also with
madness!" Surely you would never pour forth words like this
unless you were, not drenched, but filled even to repletion
with madness. Is it then true, to say nothing of the rest,
that all who come untainted with covetousness to receive
baptism at the hands of your covetous colleagues, or the priests
of your party, return guilty of covetousness, and that those
who run in soberness to the whirlpool of intoxication to be
baptized return in drunkenness? If you entertain and teach
such views as this, you will have the effrontery even to quote,
as making against us, the passage which you advanced some
little time ago: "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put
any confidence in man. It is better to trust in the Lord than
to put any confidence in princes."[991] What is the meaning of
your teaching, I would ask, save only this, that we should put
our confidence, not in the Lord, but in man, when you say that
the baptized person is made to resemble him who has baptized
him? And since you assume this as the fundamental principle
of your baptism, are men to place their trust in you?
and are those to place their trust in princes who were disposed
to place it in the Lord? Truly I would bid them hearken
not to you, but rather to those proofs which you have urged
against ourselves, ay, and to words more awful yet; for not
only is it written, "It is better to trust in the Lord than to
put confidence in man," but also, "Cursed be the man that
trusteth in man."[992]
Chap. cii.—234. Petilianus said: "Imitate indeed the prophets,
who feared to have their holy souls deceived with false
baptism. For Jeremiah says of old that among impious men
water is as one that lies. 'Water,' he says, 'that lies has not
faith.'"
235. Augustine answered: Any one that hears these words,
without being acquainted with the Scriptures, and who does
not believe that you are either so far astray as not to know
what you are saying, or deceiving in such wise that he whom
you have deceived should not know what he says, would believe
that the prophet Jeremiah, wishing to be baptized, had
taken precautions not to be baptized by impious men, and had
used these words with this intent. For what was your object
in saying, previous to your quotation of this passage, "Imitate
indeed the prophets, who feared to have their holy souls
deceived with false baptism?" Just as though, in the days of
Jeremiah, any one were washed with the sacrament of baptism,
except so far as the Pharisees almost every moment bathed
themselves, and their couches and cups and platters, with the
washings which the Lord condemned, as we read in the gospel.[993]
How then could Jeremiah have said this, as though he desired
to be baptized, and sought to avoid being baptized by impious
men? He said it, then, when he was complaining of a faithless
people, by the corruption of whose morals he was vexed,
not wishing to associate with their deeds; and yet he did not
separate himself bodily from their congregation, nor seek other
sacraments than those which the people received as suitable
to that time, according to the law of Moses. To this people,
therefore, in their evil mode of life, he gave the name of "a
wound," with which the heart of the righteous man was
grievously smitten, whether speaking thus of himself, or foreshadowing
in himself what he foresaw would come to pass.
For he speaks as follows: "O Lord, remember me, and visit
me; make clear my innocence before those who persecute me
in no spirit of long-suffering: know that for Thy sake I have
suffered rebuke from those that scorn Thy words. Make their
portion complete; and Thy word shall be unto me the joy
and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by Thy name, O
Lord God of hosts. I sat not in the assembly of the mockers,
but was afraid of the presence of Thy hand; I sat alone, because
I was filled with bitterness. Why do those who make
me sad prevail against me? My wound is grievous; whence
shall I be healed? It is become unto me as lying water, that
has no faith."[994] In all this it is manifest what the prophet
wished to be understood, but manifest only to those who do
not wish to distort to their own perverse cause the meaning of
what they read. For Jeremiah says that his wound has become
unto him as lying water, which cannot inspire faith;
but he wished that by his wound those should be understood
who made him sad by the evil conduct of their lives. Whence
also the apostle says, "Without were fightings, within were
fears;"[995] and again, "Who is weak, and I am not weak? who
is offended, and I burn not?"[996] And because he had no hopes
that they could be reformed, therefore he said, "Whence shall
I be healed?" as though his own pain must needs continue
so long as those among whom he was compelled to live continued
what they were. But that a people is commonly understood
under the appellation of water is shown in the Apocalypse,
where we understand "many waters" to mean "many
peoples," not by any conjecture of our own, but by an express
explanation in the place itself.[997] Abstain then from blaspheming
the sacrament of baptism from any misunderstanding,
or rather error, even when found in a man of most abandoned
character; for not even in the lying Simon was the baptism
which he received a lying water,[998] nor do all the liars of your
party administer a lying water when they baptize in the name
of the Trinity. For neither do they begin to be liars only
when they are betrayed and convicted, and so forced to acknowledge
their misdeeds; but rather they were already liars, when,
being adulterers and accursed, they pretended to be chaste and
innocent.
Chap. ciii.—236. Petilianus said: "David also said, 'The
oil of the sinner shall not anoint my head.' Who is it, therefore,
that he calls a sinner? Is it I who suffer your violence,
or you who persecute the innocent?"
237. Augustine answered: As representing the body of
Christ, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and
mainstay of the truth, dispersed throughout the world, on
account of the gospel which was preached, according to the
words of the apostle, "to every creature which is under
heaven:"[999] as representing the whole world, of which David,
whose words you cannot understand, has said, "The world also
is stablished, that it cannot be moved;"[1000] whereas you contend
that it not only has been moved, but has been utterly destroyed:
as representing this, I answer, I do not persecute the
innocent. But David said, "The oil of the sinner," not of the
traditor; not of him who offers incense, not of the persecutor,
but "of the sinner." What then will you make of your interpretation?
See first whether you are not yourself a sinner.
It is nothing to the point if you should say, I am not a traditor,
I am not an offerer of incense, I am not a persecutor.
I myself, by the grace of God, am none of these, nor is the
world, which cannot be moved. But say, if you dare, I am
not a sinner. For David says, "The oil of the sinner." For
so long as any sin, however light, be found in you, what
ground have you for maintaining that you are not concerned
in the expression that is used, "The oil of the sinner?" For I
would ask whether you use the Lord's prayer in your devotions?
For if you do not use that prayer, which our Lord
taught His disciples for their use, where have you learned
another, proportioned to your merits, as exceeding the merits of
the apostles? But if you pray, as our great Master deigned
to teach us, how do you say, "Forgive us our trespasses, as
we forgive them that trespass against us?" For in this petition
we are not referring to those sins which have already
been forgiven us in baptism. Therefore these words in the
prayer either exclude you from being a petitioner to God, or
else they make it manifest that you too are a sinner. Let
those then come and kiss your head who have been baptized
by you, whose heads have perished through your oil. But see
to yourself, both what you are and what you think about
yourself. Is it really true that Optatus, whom pagans, Jews,
Christians, men of our party, men of your party, all proclaim
throughout the whole of Africa to have been a thief, a traitor,
an oppressor, a contriver of schism; not a friend, not a client,
but a tool of him[1001] whom one of your party declared to have
been his count, companion, and god,—is it true that he was not
a sinner in any conceivable interpretation of the term? What
then will they do whose heads were anointed by one guilty of
a capital offence? Do not those very men kiss your heads,
on whose heads you pass so serious a judgment by this interpretation
which you place upon the passage? Truly I would
bid you bring them forth, and admonish them to heal themselves.
Or is it rather your heads which should be healed,
who run so grievously astray? What then, you will ask, did
David really say? Why do you ask me? rather ask himself.
He answers you in the verse above: "The righteous shall
smite me in kindness, and shall reprove me; but let not the
oil of the sinner anoint my head."[1002] What could be plainer?
what more manifest? I had rather, he says, be healed by a
rebuke administered in kindness, than be deceived and led
astray by smooth flattery, coming on me as an ointment on
my head. The self-same sentiment is found elsewhere in
Scripture under other words: "Better are the wounds of a
friend than the proffered kisses of an enemy."[1003]
Chap. civ.—238. Petilianus said: "But he thus praises
the ointment of concord among brethren: 'Behold how good
and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down
upon the beard, even Aaron's beard; that went down to the
skirts of his garments; as the dew of Hermon, and as the
dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there
the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.'[1004]
Thus, he says, is unity anointed, even as the priests are
anointed."
239. Augustine answered: What you say is true. For
that priesthood in the body of Christ had an anointing, and
its salvation is secured by the bond of unity. For indeed
Christ Himself derives His name from chrism, that is, from
anointing. Him the Hebrews call the Messiah, which word
is closely akin to the Phœnician language, as is the case with
very many other Hebrew words, if not with almost all.[1005]
What then is meant by the head in that priesthood, what
by the beard, what by the skirts of the garments? So far
as the Lord enables me to understand, the head is none other
than the Saviour of the body, of whom the apostle says,
"And He is the head of the body, the Church."[1006] By the
beard is not unsuitably understood fortitude. Therefore, on
those who show themselves to be brave in His Church, and
cling to the light of His countenance, to preach the truth
without fear, there descends from Christ Himself, as from the
head, a sacred ointment, that is to say, the sanctification of
the Spirit. By the skirts of the garments we are here given
to understand that which is at the top of the garments,
whereby the head of Him who gives the clothing passes on
its way. By this are signified those who are perfected in
faith within the Church. For in the skirts is perfection.
And I presume you must remember what was said to a certain
rich man: "If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast,
and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven;
and come and follow me."[1007] He indeed went away sorrowful,
slighting what was perfect, choosing what was imperfect. But
does it follow that there were wanting those who were so
made perfect by such a surrender of earthly things, that the
ointment of unity descended upon them, as from the head
upon the skirts of the garments? For, putting aside the
apostles, and those who were immediately associated with
those leaders and teachers of the Church, whom we understand
to be represented with greater dignity and more conspicuous
fortitude in the beard, read in the Acts of the
Apostles, and see those who "brought the prices of the things
that were sold, and laid them at the apostles' feet. Neither
said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed
was his own; but they had all things common: and distribution
was made unto every man according as he had need.
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart
and of one soul."[1008] I doubt not that you are aware that it
is so written. Recognise, therefore, how good and how pleasant
it is for brethren to dwell together in unity. Recognise
the beard of Aaron; recognise the skirts of the spiritual garments.
Search the Scriptures themselves, and see where those
things began to be done; you will find that it was in Jerusalem.
From this skirt of the garment is woven together the
whole fabric of unity throughout all nations. By this the
Head entered into the garment, that Christ should be clothed
with all the variety of the several nations of the earth, because
in this skirt of the garment appeared the actual variety
of tongues. Why, therefore, is the Head itself, whence that
ointment of unity descended, that is, the spiritual fragrance
of brotherly love,—why, I say, is the Head itself exposed
to your resistance, while it testifies and declares that "repentance
and remission of sins should be preached in His
name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem?"[1009] And by
this ointment you wish the sacrament of chrism to be understood,
which is indeed holy as among the class of visible
signs, like baptism itself, but yet can exist even among the
worst of men, wasting their life in the works of the flesh, and
never destined to possess the kingdom of heaven, and having
therefore nothing to do either with the beard of Aaron, or
with the skirts of his garments, or with any fabric of priestly
clothing. For where do you intend to place what the apostle
enumerates as "the manifest works of the flesh, which," he
says, "are these; fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry,
poisonings, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife,
seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,
and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also
told you in time past, that they which do such things shall
not inherit the kingdom of God?"[1010] I put aside fornications,
which are committed in secret; interpret uncleanness
as you please, I am willing to put it aside as well. Let us
put on one side also poisons, since no one is openly a compounder
or giver of poisons. I put aside also heresies, since
you will have it so. I am in doubt whether I ought to put
aside idolatry, since the apostle classes with it covetousness,
which is openly rife among you. However, setting aside all
these, are there none among you lascivious, none covetous,
none open in their indulgence of enmities, none fond of strife,
or fond of emulation, wrathful, given to seditions, envious,
drunken, wasting their time in revellings? Are none of such
a character anointed among you? Do none die well known
among you to be given to such things, or openly indulging
in them? If you say there are none, I would have you consider
whether you do not come under the description yourself,
since you are manifestly telling lies in the desire for strife.
But if you are yourself severed from men of this sort, not by
bodily separation, but by dissimilarity of life, and if you behold
with lamentation crowds like these around your altars,
what shall we say, since they are anointed with holy oil, and
yet, as the apostle assures us with the clearness of truth, shall
not inherit the kingdom of God? Must we do such impious
despite to the beard of Aaron and to the skirts of his garments,
as to suppose that they are to be placed there? Far
be that from us. Separate therefore the visible holy sacrament,
which can exist both in the good and in the bad,—in
the former for their reward, in the latter for judgment; separate
it from the invisible unction of charity, which is the
peculiar property of the good. Separate them, separate them,
ay, and may God separate you from the party of Donatus,
and call you back again into the Catholic Church, whence you
were torn by them while yet a catechumen, to be bound by
them in the bond of a deadly distinction. Now are ye not
in the mountains of Zion, the dew of Hermon on the mountains
of Zion, in whatever sense that be received by you; for
you are not in the city upon a hill, which has this as its sure
sign, that it cannot be hid. It is known therefore unto all
nations. But the party of Donatus is unknown to the majority
of nations, therefore is it not the true city.
Chap. cv.—240. Petilianus said: "Woe unto you, therefore,
who, by doing violence to what is holy, cut away the
bond of unity; whereas the prophet says, 'If the people shall
sin, the priest shall pray for them: but if the priest shall
sin, who will pray for him?'"
241. Augustine answered: I seemed too a little while ago,
when we were disputing about the oil of the sinner, to anoint
your forehead, in order that you might say, if you dared, whether
you yourself were not a sinner. You have had the hardihood
to say as much. What a portentous sin! For in that you assert
yourself to be a priest, what else have you maintained by quoting
this testimony of the prophet, save that you are wholly
without sin? For if you have sin, who is there that shall
pray for you, according to your interpretation of the words?
For thus you puff yourselves off in the ears of the wretched
people, quoting from the prophet: "If the people shall sin,
the priest shall pray for them: but if the priest shall sin, who
will pray for him?"[1011] to the intent that they may believe you
to be without sin, and entrust the wiping away of their sins
to your prayers. Truly ye are great men, exalted above your
fellows, heavenly, godlike, angels indeed rather than men, who
pray for the people, and will not have the people pray for
you! Are you more righteous than Paul, more perfect than
that great apostle, who was wont to commend himself to the
prayers of those whom he taught? "Continue," he says,
"in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving; withal
praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of
utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also
in bonds; that I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak."[1012]
See how prayer is made for an apostle, which you would have
not made for a bishop. Do you perceive of how devilish a
nature your pride is? Prayer is made for an apostle, that he
may make manifest the mystery of Christ as he ought to speak.
Accordingly, if you had a pious people under you, you ought
to have exhorted them to pray for you, that you might not
give utterance as you ought not. Are you more righteous than
the evangelist John, who says, "If we say that we have no
sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us?"[1013] Finally,
are you more righteous than Daniel, whom you yourself quoted
in this very epistle, going so far as to say, "The most righteous
king cast forth Daniel, as he supposed, to be devoured by
wild beasts?"—a thing which he never did suppose, since he
said to Daniel himself, in the most friendly spirit, as the context
of the lesson shows, "Thy God, whom thou servest continually,
He will deliver thee."[1014] But on this subject we have
already said much. With regard to the question now before us,
viz. that Daniel was most righteous, it is proved not by your
testimony, though that might be sufficient for me in the argument
which I hold with you, but by the testimony of the Spirit
of God, speaking also by the mouth of Ezekiel, where he named
three men of most eminent righteousness, Noah, Daniel, and
Job, who, he said, were the only men that could be saved from
a certain excessive wrath of God, which was hanging over all
the rest.[1015] A man, therefore, of the highest righteousness, one
of three conspicuous for righteousness, prays, and says, "Whiles
I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin, and the
sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before
the Lord my God."[1016] And you say that you are without sin,
because forsooth you are a priest; and if the people sin, you
pray for them: but if you sin, who shall pray for you? For
clearly by the impiety of such arrogance you show yourself
to be unworthy of the mediation of that Priest whom the
prophet would have to be understood in these words, which
you do not understand. For now that no one may ask why
this was said, I will explain it, so far as by God's grace I
shall be able. God was preparing the minds of men, by His
prophet, to desire a Priest of such a sort that none should
pray for Him. He was Himself prefigured in the times of the
first people and the first temple, in which all things were figures
for our ensample. Therefore the high priest used to enter
alone into the holy of holies, that he might make supplication
for the people, which did not enter with the priest into that
inner sanctuary;[1017] just as our High Priest is entered into the
secret places of the heavens, into that truer holy of holies,
whilst we for whom He prays are still placed here.[1017] It is
with this reference that the prophet says, "If the people shall
sin, the priest shall pray for them: but if the priest shall sin,
who will pray for him?" Seek therefore a priest of such a
kind that he cannot sin, nor need that one should pray for
him. And for this reason prayer is made for the apostles by
the people;[1018] but for that Priest who is the Master and Lord
of the apostles is prayer not made. Hear John confessing
this, and saying, "My little children, these things write I unto
you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate
with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and He is the
propitiation for our sins."[1019] "We have," he says; and "for
our sins." I pray you, learn humility, that you may not fall,
or rather, that in time you may arise again. For had you not
already fallen, you never would have used such words.
Chap. cvi.—242. Petilianus said: "And that none who
is a layman may claim to be free from sin, they are all bound
by this prohibition: 'Be not partakers of other men's sins.'"
243. Augustine answered: You are mistaken toto cœlo, as
the saying is, by reason of your pride, whilst, by reason of your
humility, you are unwilling to communicate with the whole
world. For, in the first place, this was not spoken to a layman;
and, in the second place, you are wholly ignorant in what
sense it was spoken. The apostle, writing to Timothy, gives
this warning to none other than Timothy himself, to whom he
says in another place, "Neglect not the gift that is in thee,
which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the
hands of the presbytery."[1020] And by many other proofs it is
made clear that he was not a layman. But in that he says,
"Be not partaker of other men's sins,"[1021] he means, Be not partaker
voluntarily, or with consent. And hence he immediately
subjoins directions how he shall obey the injunction, saying,
"Keep thyself pure." For neither was Paul himself partaker
of other men's sins, because he endured false brethren, over
whom he groans, in bodily unity; nor did the apostles who
preceded him partake of the thievery and crime of Judas,
because they partook of the holy supper with him when he
had already sold his Lord, and been pointed out as the traitor
by that Lord.
Chap. cvii.—244. Petilianus said: "By this sentence, again,
the apostle places in the same category those who have fellowship
in the consciousness of evil. 'Worthy of death,' he says,
'are both those who do such things, and those who have
pleasure in them that do them.'"[1022]
245. Augustine answered: I care not in what manner you
have used these words, they are true. And this is the substance
of the teaching of the Catholic Church, that there is a
great difference between those who consent because they take
pleasure in such things, and those who tolerate while they
dislike them. The former make themselves chaff, while they
follow the barrenness of the chaff; the latter are the grain.
Let them wait for Christ, who bears the winnowing-fan, that
they may be separated from the chaff.
Chap. cviii.—246. Petilianus said: "Come therefore to
the Church, all ye people, and flee the company of traditors,
if you would not also perish with them. For that you may
the more readily know that, while they are themselves guilty,
they yet entertain an excellent opinion of our faith, let me
inform you that I baptize their polluted ones; they, though
may God never grant them such an opportunity, receive those
who are made mine by baptism,—which certainly they would
not do if they recognised any defects in our baptism. See
therefore how holy that is which we give, when even our sacrilegious
enemy fears to destroy it."
247. Augustine answered: Against this error I have said
much already, both in this work and elsewhere. But since
you think that in this sentence you have so strong a confirmation
of your vain opinions, that you deemed it right to end
your epistle with these words, that they might remain as it
were the fresher in the minds of your readers, I think it well
to make a short reply. We recognise in heretics that baptism,
which belongs not to the heretics but to Christ, in such sort
as in fornicators, in unclean persons or effeminate, in idolaters,
in poisoners, in those who are fond of contention, in the envious,
in drunkards, in revellers; and in men like these we hold valid
the baptism which is not theirs but Christ's. For of men like
these, and among them are included heretics also, none, as the
apostle says, shall inherit the kingdom of heaven.[1023] Nor are
they to be considered as being in the body of Christ, which is
the Church, simply because they are materially partakers of
the sacraments. For the sacraments indeed are holy, even in
such men as these, and shall be of force in them to greater
condemnation, because they handle and partake of them unworthily.
But the men themselves are not within the constitution
of the Church, which grows in its members through
connection and contact with Christ, to the exaltation of God.
For that Church is founded on a rock, as the Lord says,
"Upon this rock I will build my Church."[1024] But they build
on the sand, as the same Lord says, "Every one that heareth
these sayings, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a
foolish man, which built his house upon the sand."[1025] But that
you may not suppose that the Church which is upon a rock
is in one part only of the earth, and does not extend even to
its furthest boundaries, hear her voice groaning from the psalm,
amid the evils of her pilgrimage. For she says, "From the
end of the earth will I cry unto Thee, when my heart is overwhelmed:
lead me to the Rock that is higher than I. For
Thou hast been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from the
enemy."[1026]
See how she cries from the end of the earth. She
is not therefore in Africa alone, nor only among the Africans,
who send a bishop from Africa to Rome to a few Montenses,[1027]
and into Spain to the house of one lady.[1028] See how she is
exalted on a rock. All, therefore, are not to be deemed to be
in her which build upon the sand, that is, which hear the
words of Christ and do them not, even though both among us
and among you they have and transmit the sacrament of baptism.
See how her hope is in God the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Ghost,—not in Peter or in Paul, still less in Donatus
or Petilianus. What we fear, therefore, to destroy, is not
yours, but Christ's; and it is holy of itself, even in sacrilegious
hands. For we cannot receive those who come from
you, unless we destroy in them whatsoever appertains to you.
For we destroy the treachery of the deserter, not the stamp
of the sovereign. Accordingly, do you yourself consider and
annul what you said: "I," say you, "baptize their polluted
ones; they, though may God never grant them such an opportunity,
receive those who are made mine by baptism." For
you do not baptize men who are infected, but you rebaptize
them, so as to infect them. But we do not receive men who
are made yours by baptism; but we destroy that error of yours
whereby they are made yours, and we receive the baptism of
Christ, by which they are baptized. Therefore it is not without
significance that you introduce the words, "Though may God
never grant them such an opportunity." For you said, "They,
though may God never grant them such an opportunity, receive
those who are made mine by baptism." And in this, while you
intend the meaning to be, "May God never give them the opportunity
of receiving such as are mine," I suppose that, without
knowing what it meant, you said, "May God never make
them mine that you should receive them." For we pray that
those may not be really yours who come over at the present
moment to the Catholic Church. Nor do they come over so as to
be ours by right of baptism, but by fellowship with us, and that
with us they may belong to Christ, in virtue of their baptism.