Scaurus, and not the fourth gospel, nor any other book,
person, or thing, was uppermost in my mind, when, late in the
evening, I hurried to the house of Justus to keep my engagement
with Clemens. Two or three hours ago, I had been longing
for this interview. Now I would willingly have avoided it.
I seemed to see my old friend speechless on his bed in Tusculum,
saying to me with his eyes, “Do not desert me. Do not go
over to the enemy.” Not till later did I feel that Scaurus
could not have called Clemens “enemy.”
“I am tired of books”—so Scaurus had written. So was I,
quite tired. I wanted to think, not talk; or, if to talk, to talk
about Scaurus, not about gospels or books of any sort. “How
glad should I be to exchange this interview for five minutes’
chat with old Marullus!”—that was my thought when I found
myself, more than an hour after sunset, sitting face to face with
Clemens.
I returned him the book—so precious to me yesterday—with
some words of formal thanks. What should I say next?
About the one subject that filled all my thoughts I felt no
desire to talk to a stranger—“yes” (I said to myself) “a
stranger to Scaurus, though a friend, a real friend, to me.”
Yet something had to be said. I began by excusing myself,
at an absurd length, for being late. Clemens acknowledged
the excuse with a slight inclination of the head. His face was
questioning me, and his eyes were reading me. But he left it
to me to speak, and to open our interview if I desired one.
Then I blundered out some absurd stuff—in the way of
humour!—about the possibility that he might suppose me to
have forgotten my engagement.
Clemens did not seem in the least ruffled or even surprised.
After a pause, in which the questioning look gave place to
one of sympathy, he said, very slowly and gently, “No, my
dear friend, I could not suppose that. Nor could you think
that I could suppose that. Some trouble, I perceive, has
befallen you. You felt bound to keep your engagement with
me, and you have done so. You did right. But you will not
do right if you stay longer, out of courtesy to me, when your
conscience tells you that it would be better for you to be
alone.”
When I entered the room, I had distinctly preferred to be
alone. Even now, I so far desired solitude that I murmured
some words of thanks for his consideration, and rose to go.
But something kept me standing irresolute. I do not know
what it was at first. Certainly it was not any thought about
the new gospel. Perhaps it was my new friend’s directness,
truthfulness and insight, in discerning and brushing aside my
pretence, and his kind and courteous way of forgiving it, that
made me suddenly feel, “This is a man that Scaurus would
have liked to know. This is a man that Scaurus would like me
to know. He tells me to go if I feel that it will be ‘better’ for
me to be alone. But will it be ‘better’?”
It may have been this that checked my going. I do not
know for certain. But I do know what decided me to stay.
I suddenly saw Scaurus. He was in the library at Tusculum,
with his back to me, at his writing-table, but not writing,
half risen from his seat, and looking towards the door, which
was slowly closing. As it closed, he turned and looked round
at me, with such a sadness as I had never seen on his face except
once or twice, when I had gone wrong and he was striving to
lead me right. I knew what he meant, as well as if he had said
the words aloud, “Hermas is gone, and I shall repent it through
my life. Do not let your Hermas go!” I resumed my seat
and tried to collect my thoughts.
It seemed to me now only right and natural that I should
tell Clemens of Scaurus’s illness and of my intention to leave
Nicopolis on the morrow. He took my departure as a matter
of course. Could he be of service, he asked, in making arrangements
for my sailing? I assured him that everything had
been done that was needful for that day. Then I told him how
Scaurus had urged me to join Epictetus’s classes, and that he
wished me afterwards to join the army. Finding him interested
and sympathetic, I gave him an account of my old friend’s life,
his affection for me, his love of research, his literary pursuits,
and his study of Jewish as well as Greek literature, not
omitting his early reading of the gospels, nor forgetting to tell
him about old Hermas the Christian, his librarian. He listened
with more and more attention. “I am not surprised,” he said,
“that you love so good a friend and so honest a man.”
Presently I said, “I wonder whether it would be still
possible and right for me to join the army, if⸺” and there
I stopped. “Dear friend,” said he, “if that unmentioned thing
were to come to pass, trust me that nothing would be possible
or right for you against which your conscience cried out, and
nothing wrong that your conscience permitted. Some might
condemn your decision—whether to join the army or not to
join. But you would not be bound by their condemnation.
Your conscience would receive guidance. Those who follow on
that unmentioned path do not follow with an ‘if.’ Should that
path be taken, it would be, not on conditions, but because of
a friendly constraint. Let us not speak of that now. Tell me
more about your friend.” “I have his letter here,” said I, “and
would read it if you cared to hear it. But it deals freely, very
freely, with the gospels. Once, at least, I think my old friend
is unfair to them. It would perhaps pain you.” “It would
not pain but please me,” said he. “I always like to hear honest,
able, and educated men speak their minds freely about our
Christian writings. The pity of it is, that we have hitherto
had few such critics. If we had had them when the gospels were
first written, perhaps they would have contained fewer things
that may in after times cause some of the faithful to stumble.”
So I began to read Scaurus’s letter to him. At first
I omitted portions here and there, either because they were
personal, or because they might hurt the feelings of a Christian.
Presently, halting in the middle of a bitter saying, I finished
the sentence in my own way—somewhat awkwardly. Clemens
smiled. “Pardon me,” said he, “for interrupting you. I am
not a master of styles. Yet, if I mistake not, those last
words did not come from Æmilius Scaurus. If I am wrong,
forgive me. But if I am right in thinking that you altered
something to spare my feelings, then let me assure you again
that it would trouble me that you should do this, even though
the criticism came from the bitterest enemy of the Christians.
As it is, I have learned already to esteem your friend as a
genuine lover of truth, and one from whom I have even now
learned some things and hope to learn more. The more you
will allow me to learn (without giving pain to yourself) the
better shall I be pleased.” “Well then,” said I, “we will talk
about the letter afterwards. For the present, I will read on
steadily without omitting a single word, unless you stop me.”
And so I did. Clemens listened intently, without stopping me,
only he now and then, especially towards the end, expressed
assent or interest, or sympathy, by a slight movement or
inarticulate murmur; till we came to the last words, the
uncompleted sentence, suggesting what might have happened
on one memorable afternoon, if he had not dismissed a “disciple
whom Jesus loved.” This I did not read, but I placed the
letter before him. “These,” said I, “were his last words, the
very last.”
He read them, and turned away his face. I thought, and
rightly, that he was feeling with me. But I am sure now that
he was also praying for me, and for Scaurus too. For a time
we sat in silence. I was the first to break it, expressing my
sorrow that the story of the Syrophœnician woman should have
led Scaurus to form what seemed to me a wrong conception of
Christ. “But you see,” replied Clemens, “he revolted from that
wrong conception, or was ready to revolt from it, at the last
moment of all. And I agree with you that, if he had approached
that story with the preparation that Paul gave you, he would
have regarded it as you did. I am sure Christ was never cruel
to anyone. If He really uttered those seemingly cruel words
to that sorrowful woman, He was cruel in word, only that He
might be the more kind and the more helpful in deed. He
intended this gospel to be preached to all the world, though
He waited for the Father to teach Him the time and the
manner of the preaching to the Gentiles.”
“Is there anything in John’s gospel,” said I, “that resembles
this story?” “There is a dialogue,” he replied, “between
Christ and a Samaritan woman, who is described as living in
sin, just as you have suggested concerning the Syrophœnician.
And Christ chides her, but with great gentleness, and finally
reveals Himself to her as Messiah. It has occurred to me that
this is one of the many instances where John steps in to remove
a misunderstanding liable to be caused by some passage in
Mark, which Luke omits.”
Then he added, “I will talk with you, if you please, about
the letter or the gospel or anything else, if you really desire it.
But if you would wish to be alone with your own thoughts (as
you well might wish), do not, I beseech you, stay longer.
You have laid me under a debt by introducing me to a genuine
lover of truth on whom the Light of the World has dawned,
even though it may not be given to him to see the full day.
May he find peace!”
I was quite willing to stay now. “Do you agree with
Scaurus,” said I, “that John alludes in parts of his gospel to
the teaching of Epictetus?” “I feel sure,” replied Clemens,
“that John alludes to the doctrine of the Stoics and Cynics.
Now Epictetus has been, for some years past, most widely
known among all classes, rich, poor—yes, and slaves, too—as the
representative of the Cynic doctrine. So that your friend seems
to me likely to be right.” “Scaurus,” said I, “mentions self-knowledge
and God-knowledge as if the former were inculcated
by Epictetus, the latter by John, in opposition. Is that so, in
your opinion?” “Not quite,” said he, “but nearly so. All the
Stoics lay stress, as you know, on self-knowledge. Epictetus,
perhaps more than most, teaches men to look for God within
themselves. Luke also—alone of the evangelists—has one
tradition of this kind, ‘The kingdom of God is within you.’
John, feeling that many were prevented thereby from looking
for God out of themselves, laid stress on the latter. That is to
say, John paraphrased Christ’s teaching about ‘the Father in
heaven’ in such a form that it should be more familiar to the
Greeks, urging them to ‘know God.’ So Paul is said by Luke
to have taken as his text on the Areopagus an inscription TO
THE UNKNOWN GOD; and he tried to teach the philosophers
that God could be ‘known.’ But neither Paul nor John would
deny that self-knowledge, and the consciousness of our own sins,
and the sense of our own burdens, are necessary if we are to
have our burdens lightened, our sins forgiven, and our souls
brought into the light of the glory of the knowledge of God.”
“And as to the ‘troubling’ of Christ,” said I, “mentioned
thrice in the fourth gospel, do you agree with Scaurus that
there, too, the author is alluding to Epictetus?” “I do indeed,”
said he. “I did so from the first moment when I read the new
gospel. Man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward. We
are born to be lifted up to heaven by troubles. But trouble of
soul does not mean confusion or turbidness of soul. Trouble is
on the surface, peace is beneath, peace that is deeper than the
deepest of depths. In the world, says the Saviour, we shall
have tribulation, and tribulation brings trouble with it. But He
bids us be of good cheer amidst and beneath all our trouble,
because He has overcome the world. Perhaps, however, John
emphasizes this doctrine of ‘trouble,’ not out of hostility to the
Cynic philosophy, but rather out of a friendly feeling to it, as
much as to say, ‘This notion of yours, that you must avoid
“trouble,” is the weak point in your teaching. It tends to lower
you to the level of the Epicureans. And it gives you a false and
unworthy notion of God, who is our Father, and who bears the
troubles of His children’.”
From that we passed to other matters, most of which I shall
omit—details about the fourth gospel, about its authorship and
about Scaurus’s view, that it blended history with allegory.
On some of these he thought that Scaurus might be correct.
But he was doubtful as to the possibility of explaining, as
Scaurus had suggested, the different order in which the
evangelists place the purification of the Temple. “For,” said
he, “it seems to me scarcely possible that, within the time from
Tiberius to Trajan, an evangelist should be led to change the
order of such an event simply because of its order in some one
book—because it was placed at what Gentiles might take to be
the beginning (being really the end) of a Hebrew gospel.” At
the same time Clemens admitted that there was an astonishing
difference of opinion among Christians as to the period of
Christ’s preaching, “and,” said he, “instead of quoting statements
or referring to historical facts, they often quote prophecies,
or argue from the fitness of things. It is all very
unsatisfactory.”
Of this I afterwards had experience. For, after I had
become a Christian, I found that some, even though they
received the gospel of John, argued that Christ could only have
preached for one year—because Isaiah contains the words, “to
preach the acceptable year of the Lord”! On the other hand,
the young Irenæus, bitterly attacking this view, maintained
that Christ must have preached till His fortieth or fiftieth
year! As I have said above, I have actually heard him
supporting this extraordinary supposition by appealing to the
authority of the elders that had seen John!
Clemens therefore admitted that he could not feel certain
as to the order of events in John’s gospel. It might be, he
said, that two events, mentioned in different parts of the gospel
as taking place at, or before, a feast, and apparently at, or
before, different feasts, might really have taken place at, or
before, the same feast. Among several details in which he
agreed with Scaurus, one was the narrative of the Walking on
the Water. Concerning this he said that, according to John,
the walking was not really on the water, any more than a city
is really “on a sea” when it is said to lie “on the Ægean” or
“on the Hadriatic.” He also agreed with Scaurus as to the
story about Peter plunging into the water to come to Christ,
which might (he thought) explain Matthew’s story, according
to which Christ first walked on the water, and then Peter
attempted to walk on it towards the Lord, but failed. Both
these, he thought, might be metaphorical.
As regards what Scaurus had said concerning the ambiguity
of many words and phrases in the fourth gospel, Clemens
admitted it. “But,” said he, “my conviction is that the writer
did not use them thus for the mere purpose of being ambiguous,
like the oracle ‘Aio te, Æacida.’ I do not deny that
he plays upon words, but so does Isaiah. He also repeats and
varies phrases, but so do all the prophecies and the Psalms.
Similarly he is often dark and obscure. But are there not
obscurities also in Æschylus, and Pindar, and in the deepest
thoughts of Plato? And whence do these arise? Not surely
from a desire to be ambiguous, but from the lawful feeling of
a great poet, prompted to use strange language, and sometimes
dark language, that is put into his mind to express strange
and dark thoughts. So it is with John, at least in my
judgment. And as to other parts, which seem artificial—as,
for example, when he repeats things twice or thrice in a kind
of refrain—I should plead in the same way that a poet, even
when most inspired, follows rules. Æschylus and Pindar do
not break the laws of Greek metre. Well, Jewish tradition
also has rules of its own, quite different from ours, and
I believe John observes them.”
Then he referred to John’s use of the word “logos.”
Scaurus had described John as leading on his readers from
logos to pathos. Clemens admitted that this was true if pathos
meant the affections and included that one affection in
particular which we call “love.” And he justified John’s
course. “For,” said he, “if the Logos is related to God as
word is to thought, must we not say that ‘word’ should include
every expression of thought, and that the perfect Logos must
be the expression of the perfect thought? And what thought
can be more perfect than that which Scaurus himself suggests,
in his similitude of a magnet attracting all things to itself and
causing each attracted object to attract others, so that the
multitudinous world is made one harmony? And in the region
of the affections, what is this but the highest kind of love,
as your friend himself testifies, binding men together in
families, cities, nations, and destined, in the end, to unite all
as citizens of the city of the universe, or children in the family
of God?”
Then Clemens added, without any questioning from me,
that he entirely concurred with Scaurus in his feeling that the
miracles or signs of Christ, however far they might be literally
true, would not be so convincing a proof of His greatness as
the power of His Spirit to infuse peace and power, yes, and
wisdom, and harmony of thought, into the minds of those who
received Him. “I do not mean to assert,” said he, “that all
who receive Christ remain steadfast in Him. Many have
fallen away through subtle temptations of the world and the
flesh; some few, under persecution and the open cruelty of the
devil. But as to these last I have noted this. Strong men
have fallen while boasting ‘We can endure every torture.’
Weak women have stood fast confessing ‘We can do nothing.
Our strength is in the Lord. Our Saviour will stand fast for
us.’ Yes, that has been the great miracle, to see slaves changed
to nobles, peasants and clowns to orators, fools become wise,
and human beasts, not worthy to be called men—ape-like and
wolf-like creatures—transmuted into citizens of the kingdom
of God.
“And that reminds me of what I specially admired in your
friend—the sagacity with which he penetrated to the root of
the matter, declaring that our religion is, in reality, no religion
at all (not at least what augurs or priests would call a religion)
but only union with a personality, a Lord and Saviour and
Friend, who is in us and in whom we are, ‘a very present help
in trouble.’ We have no system of sacrifices. For He is our
sacrifice offered up once visibly on the cross, and offering
Himself up invisibly and continually in the hearts of His
faithful disciples. We have no code of laws. For He is our
law, uttered by Himself once to the ears of the disciples in the
two commandments ‘Love God’ and ‘Love thy neighbour,’
when He shewed them how to make all men ‘neighbours’; and
now He utters the same law to our hearts, every moment of
our lives, giving us a strong desire to do that which is best for
our ‘neighbours,’ and helping us to see what is best, and, seeing
it, to do it.”
When Clemens said, “He is our sacrifice,” I thought of
Paul’s words, “Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us,” and
of “the blood of sprinkling” about which Scaurus had written.
And this led me to ask concerning that other tradition which
(Scaurus had told me) was written in the fourth gospel alone,
about blood and water issuing from Christ’s side.
“That,” said Clemens, “was the only passage in your
friend’s letter where I was strongly moved to ask you to stop
reading that we might talk of it at once. His view was new
to me. Yet I confess I had always found it difficult to explain
how the writer could call on himself to testify to what he
himself had asserted. If Æmilius Scaurus should prove right,
that difficulty of mine would be removed. Moreover I cannot
but admit that John, or any other disciple, would probably
have been prevented by the soldiers from approaching to the
cross close enough to distinguish the water from the blood
flowing from His side. Yet it came on me as a shock to
believe that this particular narrative—to which I attach great
importance—was based on a vision. Now the shock is somewhat
softened. I have been thinking over your friend’s
arguments. He is quite right in saying that in John’s epistle,
which may be called an epilogue to his gospel, the words ‘He
knoweth,’ as expressed in this particular emphatic phrase,
would mean ‘Jesus knoweth.’ The meaning may be the same
here. Nevertheless, even if it is so, and even if the narrative
describes a vision, I should still feel as certain as ever that this
vision expressed the real eternal truth.”
“What do you mean,” I said, “by eternal truth?” “I
mean this,” replied Clemens, “that the sacrifice of Christ on
the cross appears to me foreordained from eternity and
destined to last to eternity, as the symbol of the fundamental
law of the universe, what Scaurus calls the Law of the Magnet.
Call it a dream, if you please. Then such is my dream. But
I act on it, or try to act on it, as a reality. The Father gives
His life to men in giving His Son to them. The life, says the
scripture, is the blood. Some of our brethren would not scruple
to say ‘God gives His blood to men.’ I would rather say God
has been giving of His life to men from the time when man
was first created—not only as a Father and a Mother, but
also as a Servant, serving His servants, nursing His children,
‘washing their feet’ (so to speak) as a nurse does, and as Christ
did. There are two spiritual realities, or, if you like, two
metaphors, to express this spiritual reality. One is, that life
or blood is to be infused, like new blood, into our veins. The
other is, that in this life, or life-blood, we are also to bathe
ourselves, that we may be born again. I know that this will
seem to you and to many others an exaggerated, or (as I have
heard it called) an ‘unsavoury and distasteful similitude.’ But
these protests are outweighed, in my mind, by the faith and
feeling of multitudes of simple devout Christians of the deepest
and purest insight. One of these, a woman—the most inspired
of all women known to me with holy wisdom—continually
speaks of bathing herself in the blood of Christ crucified; and
so do some of our most inspired poets. You have spoken to me
of ‘the constraining love of Christ.’ One of our poets—a man
experienced in troubles and knowing only too well what it is
to feel forsaken of God—describes it thus in the person of
Christ:—
‘Mine is an unchanging love,
Higher than the heights above,
Deeper than the depths beneath,
Free and faithful, strong as death.’
Do not these words seem to you to come from the heart?
Are they not heart-realities? Yet they are metaphors. Well,
this same poet speaks of ‘seeing by faith’ the ‘stream’ supplied
by Christ’s ‘flowing wounds.’ Are such visions, or metaphors,
or heart-realities, lightly to be discarded? Speaking for myself,
I cannot give up this heart-fact—if I may so call it—for fact
it is to me, whether seen by the material or by the spiritual
eye. Some may think it to be spiritually false. For them it
must be (in efficacy) false, even if it were historically true.
For me it is true.”
He checked himself, and then continued, “Do not suppose,
dear brother and fellow-seeker after truth, that I expect all
others to see the truth in the same form in which I see it.
Only I should hope to induce them to see the same truth in
some form. See here these words”—and he took up a scroll
and shewed them to me—“‘Every wise man is a ransom for
the bad.’ Do they remind you of anything?” “Yes,” said
I, “they are like the saying in Mark and Matthew, ‘The Son
of man came to give his soul a ransom for many.’ Luke omits
those words.” “He does,” said Clemens. “Luke has ‘I am
among you as one that serveth.’ John combines the two views.
For first he represents Jesus as girt with a napkin like a
servant pouring forth water in a basin and washing the feet
of the disciples; and then he represents Him as pouring forth
His blood and water for their souls.”
Then Clemens told me that the words “Every wise man is
a ransom for the bad” were written by Philo of Alexandria,
who, though a Jew, was also a philosopher, and he shewed me
a similar passage in the same writer, to the effect that the
good and worthy and wise are both the physicians and the
ransoms of every community in which they exist. Then he
took up Ezekiel and read to me the vision of the dry bones
in the valley, and how they come together into living bodies,
being quickened by the breath of the Lord. Next he turned to
Greek literature, touching on the old allegory of Amphion,
whose music was so sweet that the very stones were constrained
by it to come together in unity building up the walls
of a great city.
“Should we be wrong,” said Clemens, “in saying that all
these metaphors (to which others might be added) from various
nations and literatures—about ‘harmony,’ and ‘service,’ and
‘ransom,’ and ‘blood,’ and ‘breath’—point to one deep truth,
not exaggerated by Philo, that the less are purified by the
greater, and that the greater are intended to sacrifice their
independence and to come together with the less, in order to
create cities and nations, which are the larger families that
lead men towards the Fatherhood of God? No doubt, the
greater are also purified by the less. Every community is
built up and bound together by the self-sacrifice of all. And
this binding together implies a purification of all, a cutting
away of excessive protuberances, a purging away of selfish,
isolating, schism-making qualities, so that each soul may take
its place in the wall of the City of Concord. But still, as a rule,
the less are purified by the greater; the most selfish by the
least selfish; families by the father and the mother; peoples
by their true princes, priests, and prophets. Prince, priest,
prophet, each according to his several gift, washes the feet of
his inferiors, and spends his life to increase and ennoble theirs.
Looking back to our childhood, do we not recognise this, as
a matter of our own experience? How then can we call God
Father, and yet refuse to believe that He may be as loving as
a human father, and that God’s children may be purified by
God Himself, giving His own blood in the blood of His Son as
a ransom for the sinful souls of men?”
As he said these words, he stood up, extending his hand.
“I have allowed myself,” he said, “to keep you too long, when
you have many things to do. Once or twice, intending to
check myself, I have broken loose again. I will not a third
time. Only this word, this one additional word. Believe me,
Æmilius Scaurus was right, in saying ‘The religion of the
Christians is a person.’ But your friend went on to say ‘and
nothing more.’ I should prefer to say the same thing differently.
‘Our religion is a person—and nothing less.’”