The story referred to by Jeremy Taylor reminds me of a somewhat similar
instance of dishonest astuteness I lately heard of in Scotland, from an
old Highlander; the which, though courtesy forbade me to dispute, I at
the time received "cum grano," and have since been unable to verify. It
was as follows:
The custodians (whether rightful or not, I know not, as no date was
assigned to the action of the narrative) of the Scottish regalia being
bound by an oath to deliver it to the Governor of Carlisle, as the
nearest representative of the English sovereign, by a certain day,
determined upon a plan for performing (!), and at the same time evading,
their promise. Having selected the most able steed in Scotland, a
suitable deputation escorted the regalia and the horse to the
appointed place of tradition. The embassy carrying with them the more
valuable and portable of their treasures—the jewels, not the horse, of
which hereafter,—were duly admitted to an audience with the governor,
who received them in the presence of the principal inhabitants of
Carlisle: and having produced and surrendered the regalia (and doubtless
taken an acquittance!), surreptitiously, and with gipsey adroitness,
regained possession of it, and conveying it from the audience chamber,
immediately delivered it to an expectant messenger; who, mounted on the
before-mentioned horse, awaited its return outside the hall; and who,
ventre à terre, pursued his eager flight across the border, nor once
drew rein until his precious burden was again deposited in the custody
of Scottish tenure. Whether the deputation was dismissed, and escaped
before the discovery of its chicanery, or whether the conspirators
received the well-merited punishment of their audacious dissimulation,
my informant knew not. And although the story tells more in favour of
the astuteness than the honesty of his countrymen (if true), he
narrated it with considerable unction, and declared that it was
generally believed and admired in Scotland; the patriotism displayed,
the dangerous nature of the enterprise, and the success which attended
it, palliating any stigma which might attach to the want of faith,
double dealing, and casuistry which marked the transaction.
The method by which the horse's title to be considered the ablest in
Scotland was ascertained, was ingenious. The horses the most renowned
for fleetness and endurance were secretly collected, and having been
deprived of water for a considerable time, were presently, one by one,
permitted to bury their heads in the grateful bucket, and the duration
of each draught was scrupulously watched and recorded; the animal that
retained its nostrils for the longest time immersed being selected for
the honour of rescuing the royal treasure, as having given proofs of its
superior wind and bottom.
Is any credit to be attached to the story: and if historical, can any
reader inform me where it is recorded?
C. A.
St. John's Wood.
The replies of FABER,
EXON., and P. T. to the inquiry of
STEPHEN,
concerning the origin of Gospel Oaks, are not very explanatory.
The oak was consecrated to the god of thunder—Ang.-Sax., Thunor;
Gallic, Taranis; Irish, Toran; Anc. N. Thorr—as being more
generally struck by lightning than any other tree; and the acorn was
called by the Romans Jovis glans, the fruit of the supreme god.
"Quercus Jovi placuit."
Phædrus, III. 17.
"Magna Jovis antiquo robore quercus."
Virg. Georg. III. 332.
At Dodona stood the δρῦς
ὑψίκομος Διός.—Od. XIV. 327.
Woods, groves, and trees were the temples and sacred emblems of the
Deity among the greater part of the Pagans, but especially among the
Teutonic and Celtic tribes. Maximus Tyrius, an author of the second
century, informs us, concerning the worship of the Celts:
"Κελτοὶ
σέβουσι μὲν Δία, ἄγαλμα
δὲ Διὸς Κελτικὸν ὑψηλὴ
δρῦς."
And Tacitus gives us the oldest testimonies concerning the Germans,
Germ. 9.:
"Ceterum, nec cohibere parietibus Deos, neque in ullam humani
oris speciem assimulare, ex magnitudine cœlestium arbitrantur.
Lucos ac nemora consecrant, Deorumque nominibus appellant
secretum illud, quod sola reverentia vident."
Vid. Germ. 39.
cap. 40. cap. 43., &c.
Also, a passage of the later Claudian is to the same purpose:
Ut procul Hercyniæ per vasta silentia silvæ
Venari tuto liceat, lucosque vetusta
Religione truces, et robora Numinis instar
Barbarici, nostræ feriant impune bipennes.
Cons. Stilich. I.
288.
From these passages it will be seen that the gods dwelt in these groves,
and that sacred vessels and altars were placed there, but no images;
neither were temples erected.[2] The practice of worshipping the gods in
woods and trees continued for many centuries, till the introduction of
Christianity (Vid. Willibald, A.D. 786, in Vita Bonifacii), and the
converters did not disdain to adopt every means to raise Christian
cultus to higher authority than that of Paganism, by acting upon the
senses of the heathen, e.g. using white robes for those baptized,
lighting of candles, burning of incense, &c.; and they erected the
Christian churches, for the most part, upon the site of Pagan tree or
temple; Sulp. Severus (ed. Amst. 1665), p. 485.:
"Nam ubi fana destruxerat (Martinus), statim ibi aut ecclesias
aut monasteria construebat."
Dietm. V. Merseb., 7. 52., p. 859.:
"Fana idolorum destruens incendit, et mare dæmonibus cultum
inmissis quatuor lapidibus, sacro Chrismate perunctis et aqua
purgans benedicta, novam Domino ... plantationem eduxit."
The heathen gods were represented as impotent, in opposition to the true
God, though not as powerless in themselves, and were converted into
inimical evil powers, which must submit, but could nevertheless exercise
a certain hurtful influence.
Some heathen traditions and superstitions remained, their names only
being altered into those of Christ, Maria, and the saints. In this
manner they spared the assuefactions of the people, and made them
believe that the sacredness of the place was not lost, but henceforth
depended on the presence of the true God.
The above facts will perhaps sufficiently explain the origin of the
Gospel Oak.
PROFESSOR THEODORE GOEDES.
Hampden House, Reading.
There is a tree called by this name a few miles from Winchester, in the
parish of Tichborne or Cheriton,—I think the latter, but have no
means of ascertaining at the present moment. Mention of it is made in
Duthy's Sketches of Hampshire.
L. G.
The case related by MR. GATTY is interesting, but requires sifting.
Perhaps he will be good enough to do it, or to put me on the
trail. As the energetic sister may be a reader of "N. & Q.," I do not
wish to annoy her by printing the forger's name, but I shall be glad to
have the place and date of the conviction.
About twenty years ago, the rule of hanging for forgery was broken in
the case of Fry, a school-master, who was sentenced to death without any
hope of mercy, and not reprieved till he had heard the "condemned
sermon"—I think, not till the day before that which was fixed for his
execution. He showed great fear; rolled upon the chapel floor, and
delivered to the sheriffs a well-written protest against the right to
inflict capital punishment. His being spared caused much surprise; and
between that event and the abolition of the punishment of death for
forgery, few, if any, were executed for that crime.
The sister, falling, at the feet of Baron G——, who "was notorious for
his unflinching obduracy," is a melo-dramatic event which, I think,
would have found its way to the newspapers. But the most extraordinary
thing is the conclusion:
"The forger was placed in the hulks prior to transportation; and
before this took place he had forged a pass or order from the
Home Secretary's office for his own liberation, which procured
his release, and he was never afterwards heard of."
Letters to convicts in the hulks are opened by the officers before being
delivered to the prisoners. It is not usual for the Home Secretary to
write to a convict enclosing "a pass or order." On the contrary, a
pardon is attended with a good number of formalities, and without one I
do not think that any convict would have been allowed to quit the
vessel. In that class of prisoners, leave of absence on parole, or a
"day rule," would have been something peculiar enough to make the
turnkey ask, "Where did you get this?" In short, a convict who made his
escape as described must be as extraordinary a person as the strong
American, who could sit in a basket and lift himself upon a table by the
handles.
"She returned to the city at which the assizes had been held just
as they were concluded. The two judges were in the act of
descending the cathedral nave, after partaking of the Holy
Sacrament, when," &c.
It is usual for the judges to attend divine service on the
commission-day if they arrive soon enough, or the day after if they do
not. If a Sunday occur during the sitting of the commission, they also
attend; but I never knew, and on inquiring I cannot hear, that they ever
so attended at the close of the assizes, when they are always glad to
get on to the next town, if the circuit is not concluded, and away
altogether if it is.
H. B. C.
U. U. Club.
Allow me to call upon your correspondent I. J. H. H., who dates from St.
Asaph, to explain what he means by a Lordship Marcher; and what proof he
possesses that his friend Mr. Lloyd is the "only Lord Marcher now extant
in the kingdom?" The most authentic single record which we possess of
the number, names, and situation of these lordships is the statute 27
Hen. VIII. ch. 26. The writs issued to the Lords Marchers, at various
times before that statute, would perhaps furnish materials for a more
exact enumeration of them; but the above Act was unquestionably intended
to include all of them; and the only reason why the information conveyed
by it is not complete is, that some of the names specified in it may
perhaps be those of townships, or other districts within, or parcel of,
some Lordship Marcher, and that other lordships seem to be comprehended
under a general description, such as "all lordships lying between
Chepstow Bridge and Gloucestershire." Hence, the number of real
Lordships Marchers may, perhaps, be fewer or more than are there
mentioned. Herbert, in his History of Henry VIII., says that there
were 141 Lordships Marchers. (Kennett's Compl. Hist., vol. ii. p.
189.)
The lordship of Kemes is not, I think, specified in the Act; but I
presume that it is comprehended within some of the descriptions of
lordships in it. Probably it is included in sect. 16. In old writs of
summons to attend the King in his wars, Kemes is associated with Dyvett
or with Llandovery.
The statute referred to did, in fact, extinguish the most characteristic
privileges of a Lordship Marcher, and reduced it nearly to the level of
an ordinary lordship, with such royalties only as have often been
granted, and are still enjoyed, by Lords of Manors, or honours in other
parts of England and Wales. The franchises left to them are enumerated
in sections 25. and 30., explained by the later statute 1 & 2 Phil. &
Mary, ch. 15. The palatine jurisdiction which they once possessed, and
the exemption from ordinary process, exist no longer; and the various
local customs prevailing in each lordship, which were repugnant to the
common law of England, must have been almost wholly abolished by the
operation of that Act. The lordships themselves remain in name, and in
little more than in name.
Hence I am afraid that I. J. H. H.'s friend must be prepared to
surrender the distinction of being the sole surviving Lord Marcher. In
the strict and original sense of the term, there is now no such lordship
in existence. In the sense in which alone the title can now be assumed,
he shares the honour with many others; among others, with the Duke of
Beaufort, who holds the very extensive and important Marcher Seignory of
Gower and Kilvey.
Probably the number of private lordships of this kind is not now great;
for, at the passing of the above statute, the majority were in the
Crown; and if any have since been re-granted, it is most likely that
their franchises and tenure would be so modified as to leave no vestige
of the Marcher privileges in them.
The statement of your correspondent suggests to me another doubt. How
could any Lordship Marcher be "erected by Martin of Tours?" Every such
lordship must be of the creation of the Crown, either shown or presumed.
The date of the establishment of these marcherships is so ancient that,
perhaps, no one may have actually seen any document to prove them but
charters of confirmation and inquisitions post-mortem; still the law
refers their origin to specific Crown grants, and not to the act or
authority of a mere subject. If, therefore, Martin, who was a tenant in
capite of the Crown, founded the lordship of Kemes, he must have
done—as the military invaders of Ireland in a subsequent reign
did—conquered the territory with his own arms, and obtained palatine
jurisdiction over it, with the assent and by the authority of the King.
Let me add, that the MS. treatise in the Harleian Collection (referred
to ante, p. 135.) is printed in Pennant's Wales, and, more
correctly, in vol. ii. of the Transactions of the Cymmrodorion
Society. It is much to be lamented that the treatise on the Lordships
Marchers, bequeathed by Sir Matthew Hale to the Society of Lincoln's
Inn, is not to be found in that library. If the work was composed by
that eminent judge himself, it must be one of the highest value and
authority. Does any one possess it, or a copy of it?
E. SMIRKE.
"Can any of your readers inform me of any traces of the doctrine of the
resurrection before the Christian era?" I shall endeavour as briefly as
possible to do justice to this important subject by giving extracts
from, and references to, various authors, especially Hody in his work
The Resurrection of the (Same) Body Asserted from the Traditions of the
Heathens, &c. The arguments derived from this source are as follow:—
1. "The gross notions of the heathens concerning the soul in its state
of separation, that it has all the same parts as the body has."
Confer Farmer on the Worship of Human Spirits in the Ancient Heathen
Nations, p. 419. et seq.; Æschyli Persæ, v. 616.; and Blomfield's
note; Nicolaus de Sepulchris Hebræorum, &c., cap. ix. and xiv.
2. "Their opinion concerning the transmigration of souls." Confer Vossii
Idololat., lib. i. c. x.
3. "Their opinion concerning the duration of the soul as long as the
body lasted, and its adherence to the body after death," v. Cicero,
Tuscul. Quæst., lib. i.; Lucret., lib. iii. Concerning the opinion
of the Egyptians, v. Greenham on Embalming.
4. "The belief that some men have ascended up into heaven in their
bodies, there to remain for ever," v. Hody.
5. "That others have done so even after death upon a re-union of their
souls and bodies." (H.) "There were not only certain persons under the
law and among the Jews who were raised to life; but there were also
histories among the Gentiles of several who rose the third day; and
Plato mentioneth another who revived the twelfth day after death, Plato
de Rep., lib. x.; Plin. lib. vii. 52., "De his qui elati revixerunt;"
Philostrat. lib. iii. c. xiii."—Pearson on the Creed. There are
histories of this description in Bonifacii Hist. Ludiceæ, p. 561. et
seq.
6. "The opinion of the Pythagoreans and Platonists, &c., concerning the
restitution of our bodies, and of all other things in the world to their
former state, after the revolution of many ages, by a new birth or
production." On the Platonic year confer Gale's Court of the Gentiles,
book iii. c. 7.; on the Phœnix cycle of the Egyptians, Rev. Edw.
Greswell's Fasti Catholici and Origines Calendariæ. By some this
restitution is considered as merely astronomical, v. Costard's Hist.
of Astronomy, p. 131. "The opinion of some of the Genethliacal writers,
that the soul returns and is united to the same body in the space of 440
years."—Varro ap Aug. de Civit. xxii. 28.; Jackson's Works, vol.
iii. p. 424. "The opinion of the Stoics concerning the reproduction of
all the same men, &c., after the general conflagration," v. Eusebii
Praep. Evang., lib. xv.; M. Antonin. Imp., lib. xi. The resurrection
was asserted by the Persian Magi, the Indian Brachmans, and other
philosophers both oriental and western. "Thus we have demonstrated what
evident notices the heathens had of the last conflagration, with the
ensuing judgment, and man's immortal state; and all from sacred oracles
and traditions."—Gale, ut suprà.
BIBLIOTHECAR. CHETHAM.
A Query has been put respecting a clergyman marrying himself. Such a
thing did once occur in the case of the Rev. J. D. T. M. F——g, curate
of the parish of S——n M——t, Somersetshire. The parish register
informs us that—
"On three several Sundays, namely, on the 22nd and 29th days of
July, and the 5th August in the year 1787, banns of
marriage were published in the parish church between J. D. T. M.
F——g and H. V. B——t; and after the third publication, no
impediment being alleged, the said J. D. T. M. F——g and H. V.
B——t were immediately married in the face of the
congregation, on the 5th of August, 1787, by J——n F——g
curate."
The parties' names are appended to the form "This marriage was
solemnised between us;" and then follows, "in the presence of" two
witnesses who signed their names, one of them being the "clark," as he
spelt the word. The event occurred "on a Sacrament Sunday." An aged
parishioner, who was about seventy-four or seventy-five years of age
when my informant wrote, perfectly remembered the ceremony; and added,
that previously to Mr. F.'s return from the Lord's Table to the reading
desk, in order to continue the service, from the Second Lesson, he
exchanged a kiss with his blushing bride! It appears that, owing to
several persons having disputed the validity of this marriage, the
said parties were re-married by the Rev. W. N——s, officiating
minister, on the 9th October in the same year.
I have heard that Mr. F. was always regarded as an eccentric man, if not
deranged. I think I have heard that the bride was a milk girl, with whom
the reverend gentleman fell in love because "she reminded him of his
first love!" The marriage was decidedly opposed by his relatives and
friends, which led to the above-mentioned singular occurrence. I
believe, before performing the ceremony himself, Mr. F. publicly
inquired "whether there was any one provided to marry him?" As there was
not, he proceeded to the performance of the ceremony himself.
I have heard also of some such case of a clergyman marrying himself in
Ireland. But the marriage was, I believe, pronounced null and void, and
the clergyman deposed from the ministry.
Connected with this subject, I would relate another circumstance related
to me as a fact by a clergyman, now a surrogate, who for very many years
was curate of the parish adjoining that in which it occurred. He related
it to justify and to explain his own somewhat unusual practice of using
the surnames as well as Christian names of the parties throughout the
Marriage Service, saying that in the parish of B——y, Gloucestershire,
the not doing so led to the wrong couple being married, owing to the
stupidity of the parties and their friends! The rector, Rev. Mr. M——d,
on discovering the mistake, formally pronounced the whole proceeding
null and void, and then married the right couple!
A correspondent lately inquired whether a person could be buried in a
garden! In N——h, Gloucestershire, such a thing occurred about sixteen
years ago. An eccentric old gentleman built a kind of summer-house in
his garden, and prepared his own tomb in it, and was there buried
according to his directions. I rather think the funeral service was
read, under the express sanction of the bishop, by the rector of an
adjoining parish, who was a friend of the deceased.
E. W. D.
—I can hardly suppose that
MR. H. DIXON can have made any progress in his inquiries as to Algernon
Sydney, without having met with the "authorities" mentioned by your
correspondent C. E. D.; and yet it is certainly strange that, if
MR. DIXON had seen these authorities, he could have called Sydney "an
illustrious patriot." It may be therefore as well to state that the
specific evidence which destroys Sydney's claim to the title not merely
of an "illustrious patriot," but even of an honest man, and shows
him to have been a corrupt traitor of the worst class, is to be found in
the Appendix to Sir John Dalrymple's Memoirs, vol. i. pp. 339. 386.
(8vo edit. 1790), where are transcribed the secret despatches of the
French ambassador, Barillon, to Louis XIV., detailing the bribes by
which he engaged Algernon Sydney to that factious and traitorous
opposition which had, for a hundred years prior to Dalrymple's
publication, passed off for patriotism. I shall be very curious indeed
to see what light MR. H. DIXON may be able to throw on this curious and
infamous case; of which the best that even Mr. Macaulay can say is, that
Barillon's louis d'ors were "a temptation which conquered the virtue
and the pride of Algernon Sydney."—History of England, vol. i. p.
228.
C.
—It may be doubted whether
Mr. Faber will thank J. R. R. for republishing his absurd blunder. It
must not, however, be allowed to gain a settlement in "N. & Q.," or to
pass for a real explanation, while it is in reality one of the most
unfortunate "cock-and-bull" stories that ever was invented. The truth
is, that Reinerius, a writer of the Middle Ages, lays it to the charge
of the Waldenses that they did not hold the traditions of the Church
and, by way of instance, he specifies that they did not believe (as,
he took for granted, all his orthodox readers did) that the cock on
the church steeple was symbolical of a doctor or teacher. Reinerius did
not think of adding a word of explanation about its overlooking the
parish from its elevated position, or of its prescriptive right from the
days of St. Peter to do a pastor's office by reminding men of the duty
of repentance, or of any of the things which writers on symbolism had
said, or might say. He nakedly states, "Item, mysticum sensum in divinis
scripturis refutant: præcipue in dictis et actis ab Ecclesia traditis:
ut quod gallus super campanile significat Doctorem." Mr. Faber,
who was somewhat out of his way in dealing with the thoughts and
language of mediæval writers, catching a sight of this passage,
blundered between a bell and a belfry, put campanum for
campanile, and thus got an idea of a "cock-on-a-bell," and that this
symbol meant a doctor. Whereupon it occurred to him to set the world
right with the wonderful discovery which J. R. R. has revived for the
amusement of your readers.
S. R. MAITLAND.
—In the seventeenth century there
were four professors of philosophy in every university in Scotland.
Thomas Crawford was one of the professors in the University of Edinburgh
from 1640 to 1662.
Thomas Crawford, educated at St. Leonard's College, St. Andrew's,
graduated A.M. 1621. Succeeded Mr. Samuel Rutherford as Professor of
Humanity in the University of Edinburgh, 1625. Appointed Rector of the
High School of Edinburgh in 1630. Elected Professor of Philosophy (or
Regent) in the University of Edinburgh, 1640, and continued in that
office till his death, in 1662.
He was the author of A Short History of the University of Edinburgh,
from 1582 to 1646, first printed in 1808; and of Notes and
Observations on G. Buchanan's History of Scotland: Edinb. 1708, 8vo.
pp. 187.
Both these posthumous publications are very meagre.
J. L.
Coll. Edinburgh.
—In the church of Abbey Dore,
Herefordshire, is the following inscription on a slab in the floor:—
"In memory of Elizabeth, ye Daughter of Thomas Lewis, who
departed this life the 31st day of May, 1715, aged 141 years."
I was assured that the age of the deceased, as here stated, is confirmed
by the parish register.
W. J. BERNHARD SMITH.
Temple.
—Perhaps the following tract is one of those about which S. G.
inquires:
"The Huntyng and Fyndyng out of the Romish Fox: whiche more than
seven yeares hath bene hyd among the Byshoppes of England, after
that the Kynges Hyghnes Henry VIII. had commanded hym to be
dryven out of hys Realme. Written by Wyllyam Turner, Doctour of
Physicke, and formerly Fellow of Pembroke College in Cambridge.
Basyl, 1543."
This tract has just been reprinted, with some curtailments and
amendments, and with a short memoir of the author prefixed, by my
friend, Robert Potts, Esq., M.A. Trin. Coll., Cam.; and was published by
J. W. Parker, London. The copy from which this reprint has been made is
in the library of Trinity College.
W. SPARROW SIMPSON, B.A.
—With the Editor of "N. & Q." I think the
interpretation of "muck" for the old word used by Wyckliffe is "not
satisfactory:" I therefore suggest another, perhaps equally
questionable. Every rustic in grazing districts knows, that in the hot
season of the year sheep are liable to be fearfully flyblown in their
living flesh; and that the maggots thence resulting are called mokes,
or mawks. Is not the preacher's allusion in the text to certain
shepherds, or rather sheep of Christ's flock, who, rather than give one
of their mokes to help one of their "needy brethren," will allow
themselves to "perish" and "be taken of" these maggots? The term in
question is, or was formerly, in provincial use as a metonym for
lendiculosity in a figurative sense—a tetchy, whimsical individual,
being said to be "maggoty," vulgo, mokey. Lendix has not, however,
in all cases been treated with abhorrence; for one of the elder Wesleys
not only printed a book of rhymes with the title of Maggots, but
prefixed to it his portrait, with one of these animi impetu concitari
represented as creeping on the forehead!
D.
—J. C. E. will find a very elaborate
and interesting paper "On the Ice formed, under peculiar Circumstances,
at the bottom of Running Waters," by the Rev. J. Farquharson, in the
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society for 1835, Part II. p.
329.
J. H.
Hallamshire.
—I beg to
suggest to your correspondent J. M., that this nobleman was Richard
Boyle, third Earl of Burlington, and fourth Earl of Cork, who had a
passion for architecture, and was the architect of numerous buildings in
the metropolis and other parts of the kingdom. He repaired Inigo Jones's
church of St. Paul, Covent Garden. He built the front of Burlington
House in Piccadilly; the dormitory at Westminster School; the Assembly
Rooms at York; and several villas and mansions in various parts of the
country, besides publishing some architectural works. Bishop Berkeley
was introduced to him by Pope about the year 1722, and I believe derived
some benefit from his patronage. His architectural pursuits are alluded
to by Pope in the epistle on the use of riches, which was addressed to
him.
G. R. J.
—Inquiry is made about one of our
old English poets, who is said to have lived at the old house in
Welling, where there is a high yew hedge.
I am the owner of the house referred to, and have lived here since 1811.
I have never heard the report, but I think that it may have arisen from
the fact, that about eighty years ago a Major Denham possessed the
house. It is possible that he may have been mistaken for his
namesake, Denham the poet.
ESTE.
—In vol. i. p. 175. of
the Analecta Scotica (Edinburgh, 1834) will be found some curious
"fragments relative to the office of Great Constable of Scotland," more
particularly before it became heritable in the noble family of Erroll.
E. N.
—In answer to A. W.
I beg to say that the iron plate was taken from the ruins of a cottage
which was burnt down on the estate of Sir Henry Shiffner some time
since; it formed the fire-back of the kitchen: the inscription was
turned to the wall, and therefore not visible.
This inscription is a fac-simile of the iron plate placed to the memory
of Ann Forster in the church of Crowhurst in Surrey, and it would appear
that the founder cast several plates similar to that in Lewes Castle,
which are known to exist and be used as fire-backs. See Brayley and
Britton's History of Surrey, vol. iv. p. 131., and note at foot of the
same page.
WILLIAM FIGG.
Lewes.
The monumental (cast iron?) plate in Lewes castle, referred to by A. W.,
probably came from the church of Crowhurst in Surrey, where there are
several monuments to members of the family of Gaynsford, and there were
(in Sept. 1847, when I visited the building) more than one iron plate in
the pavement with inscriptions of the exact character of that at Lewes,
and with the letters similarly inverted and reversed. My impression is
that I saw the memorial in question in the church; but I cannot now
discover the notes I made on the subject at the time, nor a rubbing
which I took of another iron plate of a more ornate though not less rude
character. I remember, in passing within sight of the church on the
Dover Railway, since 1847, to have noticed scaffolding about the tower;
possibly the plate now at Lewes may have been removed at that time.
R. C. H.
The plate was presented to the Antiquarian Museum in Lewes Castle by Sir
H. Shiffner, Bart., about two years ago, when he rescued it from a
farm-house burnt down on his property near Lewes. It has been traced to
a cottage where it previously served the same purpose as at the
farm-house, as back to the fire-place; but no further record of its
former history can be discovered. It is not unusual, however, to find
monumental plates thus desecrated.
E. A. S.
—Allow me to suggest to your
correspondent W. H. K. the possibility that the name in question may
originally have been Ceolwoldsburh or Ceolweardesburh, i.e. the burgh
or castle of Ceolwold or Ceolweard, analogously with Brihthelmstûn,
now contracted into Brighton. The A.-S. ce has constantly been
corrupted into che.
D.
—The printer's account supplied
by MR. BURTT does not relate, except possibly to a very
trifling extent,
to the Basilicon Doron; but it is evidently Robert Barker's bill,
mainly in the matter of King James's Apologie for the Oath of
Allegiance.
R. G.
—In an edition of Hudibras
of 1704 appears the following "annotation" to the line "As Friar Bacon's
noddle was:"—
"The tradition of Friar Bacon and the Brazen-head is very
commonly known, and considering the times he lived in, is not
much more strange than what another great philosopher of his name
has since deliver'd of a ring that, being ty'd in a string, and
held like a pendulum in the middle of a silver bowl, will vibrate
of itself, and tell exactly against the sides of the divining-cup
the same thing with, Time is, Time was, &c."
I have tried this experiment with the ring, and find the oscillation
takes place as described by AGMOND with the shilling. If, however, the
thread is tightly pressed between the finger and thumb, the vibration
ceases. This latter circumstance appears to support AGMOND'S idea, that
the motive power is due to the pulse, the circulation of the blood
ceasing by pressure.
C. N. S.
—The places mentioned in the
following lines are all within about four miles of each other in the
county of Gloucester, and twenty years ago the adjectives exactly
described the condition of the people; but the great civiliser, the
steam-engine, has now taken away the force of the description; and
although the first and third lines may be as true as ever, the second
and fourth are not:—
"Beggarly Bisley,
Strutting Stroud,
Hampton poor,
And Painswick proud."
W. H. BAXTER.
—I have to thank both
MR. CROSSLEY and DR.
RIMBAULT for their information regarding the
Ports, of which I have willingly availed myself by consulting the
various works to which they refer; and I have been fortunate enough to
see a translation of the greater portion of the Straloch lute-book.
Hitherto, however, I have failed in my endeavours to discover two of the
ports mentioned by MR. TYTLER namely, Port Gordon and Port Seton,
both of which I am anxious to obtain.
E. N.
—Allow me to add to the
list of books on this subject, Atlas sacer sive ecclesiasticus,
Wiltsch, published at Gotha in 1843.
W. S.
—I am inclined to think that this
phrase has more to do with the animate than the inanimate. It is a
common saying in Devonshire "please the pixies," or fairies, and
this reference is much more likely; as our ancestors were most
particular in their superstitious attentions to the requirements of this
most mischievous fraternity.
C. R.
is quite common in the North of
England; in Lancashire it is perhaps especially so. It signifies to
shift, to move, to give way: as, speaking of a thing, a wall or
foundation, which has moved from its position, we should say, "it has
shunted;" or of a thing which requires moving, "Shunt it a little that
way," "Shunt it at the other end." Shunt, to move, to slip, to give
way; shuntu, they move; shuntut, they moved.—See Bamford's
Lancashire Dialect: Smith, Soho Square.
The word grin, in the same county, signifies a noose to catch hares or
other game, as well as the act of grinning with the teeth. The word
gin is seldom used, except to express a horse gin-wheel, or the
blue-ruin of the Pandemoniums.
P. D.
"Star of my soul! thine ardent eyes are bent
On the bright orbs that gem the firmament:
Would that I were the heaven, that I might be
All full of love-lit eyes to gaze on thee."
"You look upon the stars, my star! would I might be
Yon heaven, to look with many eyes on thee."
V.
—As your
correspondents have not thrown much light upon this subject, I will here
mention that the use of this name in the sense alluded to has probably
originated from a "waiting gentlewoman" who figures in Beaumont and
Fletcher's comedy of The Scornful Lady. As this play appears from
Pepys's Diary to have been a great favourite after the Restoration, it
was then most probably that the term came into use.
J. S. WARDEN.
—G. H. K.
appears to consider the object of H. C. K.'s Query a tradesman's token.
This is by no means the case. It is a jetton, or counter, such as was
formerly much in use for casting accounts, on a principle very similar
to that of the abacus. They are found in vast numbers in England, but
were principally manufactured at Nuremberg, where a large trade in them
must have been carried on. The greatest manufacturers of the
"Rechenpfennige" were the members of the families of Schultz, Laufer,
and Krauwinckel. Of the three Krauwinckels, the productions of Hans are
most numerous. Many of them have legends of a moral or religious
character, as "Gottes Segen macht reich," God's blessing maketh rich;
"Gott allein die Ehre sey," To God alone be the glory; "Heut rodt,
Morgen todt," To-day red, to-morrow dead, &c. The date 1601 occurs on
several of those of Hans K., with mythological devices.—See Snelling's
Treatise on Jettons, or Counters.
J. E.
The legend on the counter described signifies
"John Kravwinckel in Nuremberg."
℞ "God's kingdom remains always."
I know not the signification of the solitary E. Snelling (Treatise on
Abbey Pieces, &c.) has engraved and described many of these counters,
and to him I must refer H. C. K. Hans means John, and has no reference
to the Hanseatic League.
W. H. S.
Edinburgh.
—Lode and load, in Cornwall,
is the name given to the vein that leads in the mine; or, the
leading vein. The word lode is also in common use in Cambridgeshire,
having similar reference to the watercourses by which the fens are
drained.
Lodestar. The pole-star; the leading star, by which mariners are
guided. The magnet is load-stone, that is, leading, or guiding stone.
(Nares' Glossary.)
"O, happy fair!
Your eyes are lode-stars——."
Midsummer Night's Dream.
WM. YARRELL.
Rider Street.
Lode seems to have been anciently used as
signifying merely a ditch to carry off water. (See "Inquisition, 21
Henry VIII." in Wells's Hist. of Bedford Level, vol. ii. pp. 8-17.)
Lode means to carry. (Promptorium Parvulorum, ed. Way, p. 310.) The
term lode is now used to signify a navigable ditch. In Cambridgeshire
we have Soham Lode, Burwell Lode, Reach Lode, Swaffham Lode, and
Bottisham Lode.
C. H. COOPER.
Cambridge.
—Your correspondent S. WISWOULD
will find some slight information respecting this worthy in Daniel's
Merrie England in the Olden Time (Bentley, 1842), vol. i. p. 217.
It appears that Mr. Bindley had an unique engraving of her, and that a
well-known alehouse at Holloway (of which a token is extant, with the
date 1667) was sacred to her memory as Mother Redcap, as well as that in
the Hampstead Road.
JOHN EVANS.
—The monuments
referred to by ÆGROTUS are in the church of Aldworth: the effigies are
certainly remarkable, especially one for its size and attitude.
Another noticeable circumstance is that most of the figures are of older
date than the tombs on which they lie, or than the church which contains
them. The building consists of a nave and south aisle; and, at the time
of its original construction, three canopied recessed tombs were
introduced in each of the side walls to receive the effigies which must
have existed in the older church. The style of the architecture belongs
to the age of Edward III. There are nine figures altogether, some of
them greatly mutilated. They are not entirely unknown to archæologists.
I may take this opportunity of calling attention to another very fine
monumental effigy, of which I believe no moderately good representation
has been published, at Tilton in Leicestershire. There are two figures
in the church of as early dates as those at Aldworth, one an armed male,
and the other a female. The former is in "edgering" mail, and is of good
character; but the latter is of superior design, and very well executed,
though unfortunately in a coarse material. The right arm is bent, and
the hand brought up to the breast; the left hangs naturally by the side,
and has the fore-arm and (bare) hand exposed from among the folds of the
drapery. Slight traces of colour are discoverable.
R. C. H.
The village of Aldworth, in Berkshire, where the effigies of the De la
Beche family are to be seen, is about five miles from the Goring
Station, on the Great Western Railway, viâ Streatley. Hewett's
Hundred of Compton furnishes a very interesting account of the ten
monumental effigies which represent various members of the ancient
family of De la Beche in that church, and will be read with no small
pleasure.
FRANCIS POCOCK.
Stanford.
—However
affected it may appear, these words have been more generally pronounced
Cook and Cooper.
J. H. L. (Vol. iv., p. 76.) adduces the instance of Cowper being made
to rhime to Trooper. And I have just stumbled upon a passage in
Cowley where Coke is the answering word to Took.
"May he
Be by his father in his study took
At Shakspear's plays instead of my Lord Coke."
"Sylva; a Poetical Revenge," p. 44.,
Works, Part II., London, 1700, fol.
RT.
Warmington.
—Fully agreeing with my
friend H. H. in his opinion of the brass of the Abbess of Elstow,
considered as a portrait, I should yet be glad if your correspondents
would send to "N. & Q." the names of any effigies which may appear to
them exceptions to the rule of conventional portraiture, especially if
of earlier date than the latter half of the sixteenth century. H. H. has
mentioned one, Nicholas Canteys, 1431, at Margate: and I am inclined to
add another in the well-executed little brass of Robert de Brentingham
at East Horsley, Surrey; this is about the date of 1380. The artists of
that time, in brasses as well as in painted glass, wood-carving, &c.,
may have sometimes desired to produce a portrait, but certainly they
seldom succeeded: a religious severity of expression atoned for the
deficiency. In English coins it is well known that there is no
appearance of a portrait before the reign of Henry VII.
The particular costume, however, of the deceased was more attended to
in monumental effigies; and it is this fact which renders the study of
them so serviceable towards a knowledge of the manners and habits of our
ancestors. Care was even taken not to omit any peculiarity which may
have distinguished the deceased; of which the long beard of Sir Wm.
Tendring, at Stoke, by Layland, is perhaps an instance, and many others
might be quoted. If any decided portraits are known in stone effigies,
it would I think be desirable to communicate such to the pages of "N. &
Q."
C. R. M.
—It does not appear to me
that the mottoes sent by your inquirer C. T. are very difficult to
solve. The first is Latin:
He says he is not certain as to one or two letters. I suspect the first
O should be
Q, and the
V should be
I. It will then read:
"Vita tranquila est olim."
"Life is henceforth tranquil."
A very proper motto for a fire-side.
The second is Italian:
I suspect the R should be
T. It will then read:
"Given to you by the friend."
If the word is daro, it will be—
"I will give it to you from the friend."
JAMES EDMESTON.
Homerton.
The arms given by your correspondent C. T. are those of Cavendish
(quartering Clifford), one of that family having been created Earl of
Newcastle in 1610. Becoming shortly after extinct, John Holles, Earl of
Clare (who had married the heiress of Cavendish), was created by King
William III. in 1694 Marquis of Clare and Duke of Newcastle.
Might not the chimney-piece have adorned a mansion of the Cavendish
family, who probably resided in Newcastle during the period above
alluded to?
The motto underneath (which is not the family motto of Cavendish)
certainly at first sight looks puzzling enough; will the following
solution suffice, which I merely throw out as a first thought that may
lead to a better elucidation?
"Vita : tran : ovula : est : olim."
Presuming "ovula" to be the diminutive of ovum (I am not sure if I am
correct), and "tran" (if correctly transcribed) to be a component part
of one of the numerous compounds of trans (say transitorius), may
not the passage be freely translated: "(Our) transitory life (was)
once (as mysterious, or hidden, or minute as) is (the germ of vitality)
in an egg?"
If C. T. could give a description of the second coat, some connecting
link may possibly be supplied toward unravelling the motto.
HENRY W. S. TAYLOR.
Southampton.
—One of the mottoes which puzzle
your correspondent C. T. is Welsh, and means that retribution will
follow violence: "he will pay (i.e. suffer) for striking."
Σ.
—Bishop Ridley, in his
conference with Bishop Latimer, whilst they were confined in the Tower,
makes use of the expression: "For surely, except the Lord assist me with
His gracious aid in the time of His service, I know I shall play but the
part of a white-livered knight."
CARL.
—The brasses of John
Killyngworth, 1412, formerly in Eddlesborough Church, now in Pitson
Church, Bucks; and of a priest at St. Peter's, near St. Alban's, have
this inscription upon them:
"Ecce quod expendi habui, quod donavi habeo, quod negavi punior,
quod servavi perdidi."
That at St. Alban's has an English translation:
"Lo, all that ever I spent, that sometime had I;
All that I gave in good intent, that now have I;
That I never gave, nor lent, that now aby[3] I;
That I kept till I went, that lost I."
The same inscription is on a brass as late as 1584, at St. Olave's, Hart
Street, London. (See Oxford Architectural Society's Manual of
Monumental Brasses.)
UNICORN.
In Warner's Glastonbury,
plate 18, fig. E., is a very early representation of the pelican
feeding her young with her own blood: an emblem of Christ's love for His
church. The stone was dug out of the ruins of the Abbey.
In Parker's Glossary the symbol is explained by a quotation from
Ortus Vocabulorum:
"Fertur, si verum est, eam occidere natos suos, eosque per
triduum lugere, deinde seipsum vulnerare, et aspercione sui
sanguinis vivos facere filios suos."
H. F. E.
—In
accordance with the suggestion of E. P. M., I forward you a few
instances of a change between the spelling, and pronunciation:
| Spelling. | Pronunciation. |
| Chadwell | Caudle. |
| Wymondham (Norf.) | Wyndham. |
| —— (Leicestersh.) | Wŭmundham. |
| Swavesey | Swaysey. |
| Lolworth | Lolo. |
| Whitwick | Whittick. |
| Scarford | Scawford. |
| Croxton Kerrial | Crōson, |
| | the o long, |
| | and Kerrial entirely |
| | dropped. |
R. J. S.
Examples of these are more numerous to the north of the Tweed than C.
appears to imagine. The following list, which includes a few surnames,
is the result of rather a hurried search:
| Spelling. | Pronunciation. |
| Anstruther | Anster. |
| Athelstaneford | Elstanfurd. |
| Bethune | Beaton. |
| Cassilis | Cassils. |
| Charteris | Charters. |
| Cockburn | Coburn. |
| Croxton Kerrial | Crōson, |
| Cockburnspath | Coppersmith |
| Colquhoun | Cohoon. |
| Crichton | Cryton. |
| Dalziel or Dalyell | Dee-ell. |
| Farquhar | Farkar. |
| Halket | Hacket. |
| Inglis | Ingils. |
| Kemback | Kemmick. |
| Kilconquhar | Kinnenchar. |
| Macleod | Macloud. |
| Marjoribanks | Marchbanks. |
| Menzies | Meengis. |
| Methven | Meffen. |
| Monzie | Monee. |
| Restalrig | Lastalrik. |
| Rutherglen | Ruglen. |
| Ruthven | Rivven. |
| Sciennes | Sheens. |
| Sanquhar | Sankar. |
| Urquhart | Urcart. |
| Wemyss | Weems. |
Arbroath is a corruption of Aberbrothok, Gretna of Gretenhow, and
Meiklam of M'Ilquham: but probably one of the most remarkable
transformations in Scotland is to be found in the name of a small
village, a few miles to the south of Edinburgh, where
Burdiehouse has usurped the place of Bordeaux.
E. N.
—I beg to direct your
attention to the accompanying extract, which furnishes a reply to
MR. FRASER'S Query:—
"Whoever is acquainted with Irish history, or whoever has had
opportunities of mixing with the natives of that country, cannot
be ignorant that they claim a descent from a long race of
Milesian kings, who reigned over them for thirteen centuries
before the Christian æra. The stock from which this long line of
monarchs emanated is traced to a pretended Milesian colony,
supposed to have emigrated from Spain into Ireland under the
conduct of Heremon and Heber. The most rational inquirers,
however, into the subject consider it as nothing more than a
tissue of imaginary events, originating in the fertile fancies of
their bards. A very brief and general abstract of this contested
part of Irish history shall be given in the words of Mr. Plowden:
"'About 140 years after the Deluge, Ireland was discovered by one
Adhua, who had been sent from Asia to explore new countries by a
grandson of Belus: he plucked some of the luxuriant grass as a
specimen of the fertility of the soil, and returned to his
master. After that the island remained unoccupied for 140 years;
and about 300 years after the Flood, one Partholan, originally a
Scythian, and a descendant from Japhet in the sixth generation,
sailed from Greece with his family and 1000 soldiers, and took
possession of the island. They all died off, and left the island
desolate of human beings for the space of thirty years.
Afterwards different sets of emigrant adventurers occupied and
peopled the island at different periods. About 1080 years after
the Deluge, and 1300 B.C., Niul (the son of Phenius, a wise
Scythian prince), who had married a daughter of Pharaoh,
inhabited with his people a district given to him by his
father-in-law on the Red Sea, when Moses led the Israelites out
of Egypt. The descendants of that Phenius (called more generally
Feniusa Farsa) were afterwards expelled by Pharaoh's successors
on account of their ancestors having favoured the escape of the
Israelites through the Red Sea. They then emigrated and settled
in Spain, whence, under the command of Milesius, a colony of them
sailed from Brigantia in Galicia to Ireland, gained the
ascendancy over the inhabitants, and gave laws and a race of
monarchs to the island. The Milesian dynasty continued to govern
Ireland without interruption till about the year 1168, when it
ceased in the person of Roger O'Connor, and the sovereignty was
assumed by our Henry II. Of this race of kings the first 110 were
Pagan, the rest Christian.'"
Barlow's Hist. of Ireland, vol.
i. pp. 22-4.
GEORGE RICHARDS, M.A.
Queen's Coll., Birmingham.
—The remark of your correspondent
EYE-SNUFF, "that any lay scholar of adequate attainments in theology is
competent to receive this distinction, and any university to bestow it
upon him," is incorrect in two ways, as far as the university of which I
am a member is concerned. A reference to the Oxford University Calendar,
or to the Statutes of the University, will show him that no one can take
the degree of B.D., or D.D., without first exhibiting his letters of
priest's orders: and the theological attainments represented by the
degree D.D. are next to nothing; the exercise required for B.D. used to
be a mere form, and I believe is little more now; a certain number of
terms kept in the university, and payment of certain fees, being all
that is necessary for proceeding D.D. The case is the same, I imagine,
at Cambridge.
W. FRASER.
—I have heard it said, of
course with little regard to probability, that this once popular song
was written by George IV. when Prince of Wales.
W. FRASER.
—I have heard it argued that the word
bull, meaning an incoherent blunder, was derived from the Pope's
Bulls, the tyrannical contents and imperious tone of which often made so
odd a contrast with the humility of the subscription, "Servus servorum
Dei," that the name bull was applied to anything that seemed absurdly
inconsistent or self-contradictory.
W. FRASER.
—We have
good evidence that the Saxons used the places of sepulture which they
found in England; and it is well known that Anglo-Saxon remains have
often been discovered in the vicinity of churches, a fact which leads to
the supposition that churches occupied the sites of Pagan temples. The
bones of animals have often been found on and near the sites of our
London churches.
J. Y. A.
—I am led to think there is an
error in the notice of your correspondent R. S. F. on the above subject.
The seed of St. John's Fearn cannot be gathered on Midsummer Eve,
inasmuch as at that time it is in a merely embryotic state. The seed
attains perfection late in autumn, and it remains attached to the dry
brown stem until shaken off by the autumnal and winter blasts. The
taking of it, therefore, is not, according to those versed in such
mysteries, the easy task of a Midsummer twilight, but must be performed
amid the darkness of a winter's night. On the midnight of Saint John the
Evangelist, to whom the seed and plant are dedicated, must it be shaken,
not pulled, from its stem. Very probably mystic virtues were imputed to
the seed before the introduction of Christianity. And it were not
perhaps hazarding too much to suppose that the old superstitious monks
assigned it to Saint John from an idea that the potency of the seed
might have influenced the wondrous revelations with which he, more than
any other of the disciples, or all the disciples, was favoured.
B.