I hope your correspondent L., in his search for ancient trees, will not
overlook the Great Oak at Tilford near Farnham, which is worth a visit
for its size and beauty, if not for its antiquity. Mr. Brayley, in his
History of Surrey, vol. v. p. 288., thus speaks of it:—
"In the Charter granted by Henry de Blois about the year 1250, to
the monks of Waverley, he gives them leave to inclose their lands
wherever they please, within these bounds, 'which extend,' says
the record, 'from the Oak of Tilford, which is called the Kynghoc
[a quercu de Tyleford quæ vocatur Kynghoc], by the king's highway
towards Farnham, &c.' ... The Tilford Oak is still standing, and
is known by its ancient appellation of the King's Oak: a name
which it could not have obtained unless it had been of
considerable age and growth at the time of the bishop's grant;
and it may therefore be reasonably supposed to be 800 or 900
years old. It is a noble tree, and still flourishing apparently
without decay."
I very much doubt the identity of the present tree with the "King's Oak"
of Henry de Blois. First, Because the present bounds of Waverley do
not run within 300 yards of the tree; and the bounds are hardly likely
to have been materially changed, inasmuch as the abbey lands are
freehold and tithe-free, whereas the surrounding lands are copyhold and
titheable. Secondly, because the tree itself appears still to be
growing and vigorous. Cobbett describes it in his Rural Rides, p. 15.,
1822, with his usual accuracy of observation:
"Our direct road was right over the heath, through Tilford, to
Farnham: but we veered a little to the left after we came to
Tilford, at which place, on the green, we stopped to look at an
oak tree, which, when I was a little boy, was but a very little
tree, comparatively, and which is now, taken altogether, by far
the finest tree that I ever saw in my life. The stem or shaft is
short, that is to say, it is short before you come to the first
limbs; but it is full thirty feet round at about eight or ten
feet from the ground. Out of the stem there come not less than
fifteen or sixteen limbs, many of which are from five to six feet
round, and each of which would in fact be considered a decent
stick of timber. I am not judge enough of timber to say anything
about the quantity in the whole tree; but my son stepped the
ground, and, as nearly as we could judge, the diameter of the
extent of the branches was upwards of ninety feet, which would
make a circumference of about 300 feet. The tree is in full
growth at the moment. There is a little hole in one of the limbs,
but with that exception, not the smallest sign of decay
The tree has made great shoots in all parts of it this last
summer, and there are no appearances of white on the trunks
such as are regarded as the symptoms of full growth. There are
many sorts of oak in England: two very distinct. One with a pale
leaf, and one with a dark leaf; this is of the pale leaf."
Any other references to the age or history of this tree would oblige.
TILFORDIENSIS.
P.S. As your correspondent asked for information as to the species of
large oaks, I have inclosed some of the acorn-cups.
The letter at Vol. v., p. 175. of "N. & Q.," reminds me of a passage in
a Commentary on the Acts of the Apostles, by the Rev. W. G. Humphry,
B.D., which it may not be uninteresting to cite, in connexion with what
your correspondent says of St. Paul's practice of quoting the writings
of heathen authors.
It will be the ground also of an obvious query as to the source from
which the quotation, if such it be, was borrowed by the Apostle.
In commenting upon v. 17. of chap. xiv.,
οὐρανόθεν, &c., he
says:
"Both the language and the rhythm of this passage lead to the
conjecture (which does not appear to have been proposed before)
that it is a fragment from some lyric poem. Possibly the
quotation is not exact, but even without alteration it may be
broken into four lyric measures, thus:
"Οὐρανό|θεν ἡ|μῖν ὑ|ετοὺς
δίδους καὶ καιροὺς | καρποφόρους,
ἐμπι|πλῶν τρο|φῆς καὶ |
εὐφροσύνης | τὰς κα|ρδίας.
"1. Iambic; 2. Dochmaic and Choriamb.; 3. Trochaic; 4. Choriamb.
and Iambic."
Mr. Humphry has some remarks on St. Paul's quotations at v. 28. of chap.
xvii.
OXONIENSIS.
Broad Street, Oxford.
Your correspondent MR. GILL (Vol. v., p. 175.) suggests an inquiry as to
the probable extent to which St. Paul was acquainted with the writings
of Aristotle. His letter reminds me of a similar question of still
greater interest, which has often occurred to me, and to which I should
like to call your readers' attention, "Whether St. Paul had read Plato?"
I think no one who studies the 15th of the First Epistle to the
Corinthians—that sublime chapter in which the Apostle sets forth the
doctrine of the Resurrection—and who is also familiar with the Phædo,
can fail to be struck with a remarkable similarity in one portion of the
argument. I allude especially to the 36th verse of the chapter, and
those immediately following, "That which thou sowest is not quickened
except it die," &c. The reasoning, as almost every Christian knows, is
based on analogy, and tends to show that, as in the vegetable world life
springs from death, the seed dies, but out of it comes the perfect
plant; so the dissolution of our present body is only a necessary step
to the more glorified and complete development of our nature. In the
Phædo, sect. 16., Socrates is represented as employing the same
argument in defence of his doctrine of the immortality of the soul. In
the course of his discussion with Kebes and Simmius on this subject, a
consideration of the phenomena of animal and vegetable life leads him to
assert the general conclusion, "ἐκ τῶν τεθνεώτων, τὰ ζῶντά τε καὶ οἱ
ζῶντες γίγνονται," and he then proceeds to demonstrate the
probability that in like manner the soul will not only survive the body,
but reach a higher and purer condition after its death. Wetstein, whose
abundant classical illustrations of the sacred text are alluded to by
your correspondent, refers to little else than verbal parallelisms in
his notes on this chapter, and does not quote Plato at all; nor do I
remember seeing any edition of the Greek Testament in which the
coincidence is pointed out. Perhaps some of your correspondents can
elucidate this subject; it is one of great interest, and when pursued in
the reverent and religious spirit indicated by MR. GILL, can hardly fail
to prove a source of profitable investigation.
JOSHUA G. FITCH.
My edition of the Platonic Dialogues is that of N. Forster of
Christchurch, Oxford, dated 1745. In it the section I refer to is
numbered 16; but in Stallbaum and some other editors, the arrangement is
different, and the passage occurs in section 43.
I have in my possession a manuscript consisting of copies of various
letters, and other memorials of Sir Alexander Cumming. It is of his own
period, but whether of his own handwriting I cannot say.
They are clearly the compositions of a person of an unsettled intellect;
but we may collect from them the following facts:—His captain's
commission was dated May 29, 1703; he was called by his mother, a few
days before her death, both Jacob and Israel. This is further explained
when he relates that Lady Cumming, his mother, set out from Edinburgh
the first of the "Borrowing Days," towards the end of March, 1709.
"The three last days of March are called 'the Borrowing Days' in
Scotland, on account of their being generally attended with very
blustering weather, which inclines people to say that they
would wish to borrow three days from the month of April, in
exchange for those three last days of the month of March. This
lady was seventeen days in her journeys upon the road, and lived
ten days after her arrival in London. She died on the Monday
se'nnight in the morning after she came to London. On the
Thursday before her death she called her son, Captain Cumming, to
her bed-side, and gave him her blessing in the terms of the
prophet Isaiah, to which she referred him, and gave him her own
new Bible to read over on the occasion, and to keep for her sake.
But this Bible was lost, with other baggage, taken by the French
towards the end of the campaign, 1709. Colonel Swinton, this
lady's eldest brother, was shot at the battle of Malplaquet, and
died upon the field of battle."
The lady travelled attended by her daughter Helen Cumming, and her
servant Margaret Rae.
But I see we have been wrong in writing the name Cumming with two m's.
He writes it invariably Cuming. This would appear of little moment,
but the change a little diminishes the probability of the writer's
favourite notion, that the Hebrew word Cumi is in some way obumbrated
in his patronymic Cuming.
The passage of the prophet Isaiah which formed the substance of his
mother's last benediction is chap. xli. verses 8 and 9, and chap. xliii.
verses 2 and 3: "Thou Israel art my servant, Jacob whom I have
chosen, the seed of Abraham, my friend," &c. He inclines to think that
"the writer of the book called Isaiah was a friend to the British
nation, and that the islands of Great Britain and Ireland are those
addressed to, in order to renew their strength."
It was on April 23, 1730, O.S., that "by the unanimous consent of the
people he was made law-giver, commander, leader, and chief of the
Cherokee nation, and witness of the power of God, at a general meeting
at Nequisee, in the Cherokee Mountains." He brought with him to England
six Cherokee chiefs, and on June 18, in that year, he was allowed to
present them to the King in the Royal Chapel at Windsor. This was at the
time of the installation of the Duke of Cumberland and the Earls of
Chesterfield and Burlington. On June 22nd was the ceremony of laying his
crown at the feet of the King, when the Indian chiefs laid also their
four scalps and five eagles' tails.
In a few years the scene was changed, and in 1737 we find him confined
within the limits of the Fleet Prison; but having a rule of court, on
the 8th of November he was at Knightsbridge, where about ten in the
morning he opened the Bible for an answer to his prayers, and chanced
upon the fifty-first and fifty-second chapters of Isaiah. He feels a
call to a mission to the Jews, and contemplates visiting Poland. With
that disposition of a mind disordered as his was, to turn everything
towards a particular object, he thinks there was some mysterious
connexion between the fact that Queen Caroline was seized with the
illness which proved fatal, in her library, at ten o'clock on the
morning of the 9th of November, the day after his call.
In 1750 he was still in the Fleet Prison, from whence, on May 15, he
addressed a letter to Lord Halifax, asserting his right to the Cherokee
Mountains, and proposing a scheme for the discharge of eighty millions
of the National Debt; the scheme being, that 300,000 families of Jews
should be settled in that country for the improvement of the lands, as
industrious honest subjects. This letter notices also two facts in the
Cuming history: 1. That Sir Alexander's father had been the means of
saving the life of King George the Second; and 2. That he, Sir
Alexander, had been taken into the secret service of the crown, at
Christmas, 1718, at a salary of 300l. a-year, which was discontinued
at Christmas, 1721.
J. H.
Torrington Square.
As everything connected with General Wolfe is entitled to notice, the
following names and public positions of his direct or collateral
ancestors may not be uninteresting to your readers. I lately furnished
you, from Ferrar's History of Limerick, a statement of the
circumstances under which his great-grandfather, Captain George Woulfe,
sought refuge in Yorkshire (I believe) from the proscription of Ireton,
after the capitulation, in 1651, of Limerick, when his brother Francis,
the superior of the Franciscan friars, not having been equally fortunate
in escaping, was executed, with several others, excepted from the
general pardon.
The family, of English origin, like the Roches, the Arthurs, Stackpoles,
Sextons, Creaghes, Whites, &c., settled in Limerick between the
thirteenth and fifteenth centuries, and gradually obtained high civil
positions, when their successful commercial pursuits enabled them to
acquire landed property in the adjoining county of Clare, where nearly
all the above-named English families equally became extensive
proprietors. In
1470. Garret Woulfe was one of the city bailiffs, as those
subsequently called sheriffs were then named.
1476. Thomas Woulfe filled the same office, as did in
1520. His son and namesake.
1562. Nicholas Woulfe was bailiff.
1567. John Woulfe ditto.
1578. The same became mayor.
1585. } Patrick Woulfe was bailiff these two years,
1587. } but not in the intervening 1586.
1590. Thomas Woulfe }
1591. Richard Woulfe } were successively bailiffs,
1592. David Woulfe } as in
1605. Was James Woulfe.
From this date till 1613 scarcely a year passed without the dismissal of
the chosen Catholic magistrates, and substitution by royal mandate of
Protestants. In 1613 George Woulfe, grandfather[7] of the proscribed
Captain of the same name as above, then sheriff (the title assumed since
1609), with his colleagues, John Arthur, and the mayor, David Creagh,
was deposed for refusing the oaths of supremacy, &c.
In 1647 Patrick Woulfe was sheriff; but from 1654, when the city
surrendered to Ireton, until June 1656, Limerick was ruled by twelve
English aldermen. In 1656 Colonel Henry Ingolsby became mayor, and the
regular order of magistracy was subsequently pursued.
I cannot at present trace the genealogy in strict deduction, although I
believe it all might be collected from the subsisting papers of the
family in the county of Clare; at least from Garret, the first-named
bailiff in the preceding list. In my boyhood I saw some pedigree of it
in the hands of an antiquary named Stokes, but which it would now be
difficult to discover. If the present Sir Frederick A. G. Ouseley,
Bart., son of my old schoolfellow, the late Sir George, be in possession
of the papers of his grandfather, Captain Ralph Ouseley, I think it
likely that some documents relating to General Wolfe's family, in its
ancient line, will be found, as I recollect hearing Captain Ouseley, a
resident of Limerick, speak of them.
J. R.
Cork.
—I think I am certain that
when I first heard of the song of "Miss Bailey," which was about 1805,
it was as having been sung in the farce of Love laughs at Locksmiths.
C. B.
—In Colonel Reid's Law of Storms, p.
483. et seq., 2nd edition, accounts are given of the violent whirlwind
produced by fires. It maybe supposed that in former times they were on a
larger scale than at present, and, from the great force described, they
might have affected the weather at least, when on the turn already.
C. B.
—All that was known
respecting the descendants J. L. C. will find in an article relating to
the family in the Transactions of the Society of Antiquaries,
Archæologia, vol. xviii. pp. 84-104.
G.
—CYRUS REDDING will find that the
"Ritus Absolvendi jam mortuum" in the modern Rituale Romanum
(Mechliniæ, 1848), is performed exactly according to his description.
G. A. T.
Withyham.
—CRANMORE'S
inquiry has not been fully answered, nor am I able to point out the
precise degree of relationship between John Paget and the editor of his
works, Thomas Paget. The latter became incumbent of Blackley, near
Manchester, about the year 1605, having been placed in that chapelry
chiefly through the efforts of the Rev. William Bourne, B.D., a native
of Staffordshire, who had married a kinswoman of Lord Burleigh, and who
was for many years an influential Fellow of the Collegiate Church of
Manchester. (See Hollingworth's Mancuniensis, pp. 106, 107.) In 1617
Thomas Paget was cited before Morton, Bishop of Chester, for
nonconformity; and shortly afterwards he was convened before Bishop
Bridgeman on the same ground. He is styled at this time "the good old
man" (Brook's Lives, vol. ii. p. 293.), although he lived at least
forty years afterwards. In the delightful Autobiography of Henry
Newcome, M.A., the Presbyterian Minister of Manchester, edited for the
Chetham Society by the Rev. Canon Parkinson, D.D. (2 vols. 4to. 1852),
are several interesting notices of Mr. Thomas Paget. He is mentioned as
"old Mr. Pagit, late of Blakeley," in 1658, and seems to have had the
rectory of Stockport in 1659, although Richard Baxter spoke of him in
1656 as "old and sickly," and then living at Shrewsbury. He was well
known, says the amiable Newcome, "as a man of much frowardness," and
able to create "much unquietness;" but Baxter hoped, "not altogether so
morose as some report him."
F. R. R.
—I happen to have the score
of one of the tunes inquired after by E. N., namely, Port Athol, as
given by the late Edward Bunting, in his collection of Irish airs, under
the name of the "Hawk of Ballyshannon." It was composed by a famous
Irish harper named Rory Dal O'Cahan, the Rory Dal of Sir Walter Scott's
Legend of Montrose, who visited Scotland in the reign of James VI.,
and ultimately died there. He was the author of the Ports or tunes
called Port Gordon, Port Lennox, M'Leods Supper, Port Athol,
Give me your hand, The Lame Beggar, &c. &c. It has often
struck me that this last tune is the origin from whence the air called
Jock o' Hazledean was drawn. It is almost the same.
FRANCIS CROSSLEY.
—Dryden, in
his letters to his sons, writes:
"After my return to town, I intend to alter a play of Sir Robert
Howard's, written long since, and lately put into my hands: 'tis
called The Conquest of China by the Tartars. It will cost me
six weeks' study, with the probable benefit of an hundred
pounds."
The Biographia Dramatica states that this play was never acted or
printed.
C. I. R.
—Mary Howe was probably one of the three
daughters of Scrope, first Viscount Howe, by his second wife, Juliana,
daughter of William Lord Allington. She was, in 1720, appointed a maid
of honour to Caroline, Princess of Wales; and in 1725 married Thomas,
eighth Earl of Pembroke, whom she survived, as well as her second
husband, John Mordaunt, a brother of Charles, Earl of Peterborough. She
died in 1749 s. p.
BRAYBROOKE.
—"Historische
Chronica. Mit Merianischen Kupfern. viii. Theile. Frankf. 1630. sqq. in
4. Hæc editio propter elegantiam figurarum rara est. Bibl. Solger. ii.
p. 298."—Bauer. Bibl. Libror. Rariorum.
"Historische Chronica, &c., folio. Francf. 1657.
"—— 3 vol. fol. Francf. 1743, 45 and 59."—Bibliothecæ Regiæ
Catalogus (in Mus. Brit.) s. v. Abelinus.
"Abelin John Philip, an historian, born at Strasburgh, died 1646; often
known by the name of John Louis Gottfried, or Gothofredus. Historical
Chronicle from the beginning of the World to the year 1619; being a
number of plates by Merian, with letter-press descriptive of
them."—Watt's Bibl. Brit.
The life of Merian is given by Sandrart, in his Academia Artis
Pictoriæ. Strutt, in his Dictionary of Engravers, neglects to mention
that Matthæus Merianus Basileensis was employed at Nancy, together with
Brentel, A.D. 1608, in designing Pompæ (funebres) Caroli III.
Lotharingiæ Ducis. They are etched in a slight style, but with great
spirit. The procession consists of a great many plates: these, bound up
together with the description, make a large folio volume. I bought a
copy six years ago. Can any of your readers inform me whether there is
another in England?
BIBLIOTHECAR. CHETHAM.
—I have just
accidentally stumbled upon my promised note on this subject; and as it
appears to be entirely different from any yet offered to you, I gladly
send it for the information of your correspondents. I copied it from an
old scrap-book:
"The Scotch Thistle.—The origin of the national badge is thus
handed down by tradition:—When the Danes invaded Scotland it was
deemed unwarlike to attack an enemy in the darkness of night,
instead of a pitched battle by day: but, on one occasion the
invaders resolved to avail themselves of stratagem; and in order
to prevent their tramp from being heard, they marched barefooted.
They had thus neared the Scottish force unobserved, when a Dane
unluckily stepped with his foot upon a superbly prickled thistle,
and uttered a cry of pain, which discovered the assailants to the
Scots, who ran to their arms, and defeated the foe with great
slaughter. The thistle was immediately adopted as the insignia of
Scotland."
R. H.
—The practice of "bulling the
barrel" or "cask," as mentioned by C. FORBES, is an every-day occurrence
in the Navy. As soon as a rum cask is emptied, a few gallons of water
are put into the cask (and it is struck down again into the
spirit-room); this is done to keep the wood moist, and prevent it from
shrinking, so as to keep the cask water-tight: this is called "bulling
the cask;" and from the water receiving after some time a strong
impregnation, which makes it really strong grog, salt water is used,
though even the "salt-water bull," as it is called, when again poured
out, has often proved too attractive for seamen to resist. Again, it is
common to talk in the same way of "bulling a tea-pot," coffee-pot, &c.;
that is, after the first "brew" has been exhausted, by adding fresh
water, and boiling over again, to make a "second brew" from the old
materials. This probably was derived from "bulling the cask;" but
whether the "bulling" originally applied to the preserving the
water-tight qualities of the cask, or to the making the "second brew," I
cannot pretend to say, though I should define the present acceptation of
the term "bulling" to be "the obtaining an impregnation from that which
had been already used."
G. M. T. R. N.
—Mr. Bowles, in the
introduction to his Life of Bishop Ken, vol. i. p. xi. (Lond. 1830),
expresses his thanks to the late Bishop of Bath and Wells "for the
information contained in the MS. life of Ken's successor, Bishop
Kidder;" and adds:
"This work, never printed, is a very curious and valuable
document, preserved in the episcopal palace of Wells."
J. C. R.
—The story is told as of
Wilkie at the Escurial by Southey in The Doctor, vol. iii. p. 235.;
also, with a fine compliment to the "British Painter," by Wordsworth, in
one of the pieces published with Yarrow Revisited (1835, pp. 305-6.).
The coincidence with the note by Mr. Rogers—to whom, by the way,
Wordsworth's volume is dedicated—has long perplexed me. One is
unwilling to suppose that the touching words ascribed to the two monks
were a stock speech common to aged monks who have such pictures to show;
but what better explanation is there? I believe that the first edition
of Italy appeared, not in 1830, as your correspondent supposes, but in
1822. Is the story to be found in that edition?
J. C. R.
—Although my acquaintance with
the language of the Cymri is very limited, I think that a knowledge of
the cognate Erse or Gaelic enables me to make a shrewd guess at the
meaning of the word Blaen, prefixed to the names of so many farms in
Wales. The Gaelic word Baile, pronounced Ballé, signifies a
town—the Scotch toun—or farm, and, with the preposition an or
na—Anglicè of—is written Baile'n, pronounced Ballen: this, I
think, is probably the same word as Blaen, and means, being
interpreted, "the farm of." In the examples given by your correspondent
α, the words affixed to Blaen are descriptive; many of them
scarcely differ in sound from their Gaelic synonyms e.g. Blaen-awen
is the Gaelic Baile'n abhuinn, pronounced Ballen avine, Ang. "the
farm on, or of the river;" Blaen-argy—Gaelic, Baile'n airgiod, "the
silver farm," or perhaps 'n arguin, of strife; Blaen-angell—Gaelic,
Baile'n aingeal, "angel farm"; Blaen-y-foss—Gaelic,
Baile-na-fois, pronounced f[=o]sh, and synonymous with the Dutch
lust, "leisure or pleasure farm;" and Blaen-nefern—Gaelic,
Baile-na-fearn, "alder farm." In England these farms or towns would
have been called respectively, Riverton, Silverton, Alderston, and
so on. The same word, generally spelt Bally, forms part of the name of
a very large proportion of the small towns and farms in Ireland.
W. A. C.
Ormsary.
—The verb to commit, in the
sense used by Junius, was employed by Lord Chesterfield so far back as
the year 1757. In a letter to his son (Nov. 26), his lordship, after
instructing Mr. Stanhope what to say to one of the foreign ministers,
directs him to send to his own court an account of what he had done:
"Tell them you thought the measure of such great importance that
you could not help taking this little step towards bringing it
about, but that you mentioned it only from yourself, and that you
have not committed them by it."
Lord Chesterfield's Letters to his Son were not published until 1774,
which will account for Walker ascribing to Junius the merit of
introducing into the English language the French signification of the
verb to commit.
WILLIAM CRAMP.
—As I asked a question relating to
the Irish, perhaps I may be allowed the so-called Irish mode of
answering it myself.
Beócherie is evidently derived from Beóceraige, the islet of
bee-hives, or bee-keepers (who were regularly appointed officers in
Saxon England); but as I was utterly at a loss for the word gent, I
requested the opinion of Dr. Lèo, from whom I have received the
following satisfactory reply:—
"The word gent seems to be the same word as our German gante,
and the Scottish gauntree; i.e. a tree which forms a stand
for barrels, hives, &c. In several parts of Germany, where the
culture of bees has, from distant periods, been carried on
extensively, the hives are transported from one place to another
according to the seasons: now in the forests, when the pine-trees
are in flower; now in the fields, when the rape blossoms; then
again in the woods, when the heather blossoms; and at last, when
winter approaches, in the barn. A tree forms the stand for the
bee-hive, and thatch protects it from the rain. Such a tree seems
to be the beócera-gent.
"In an old Glossary, the old high-German word, gantmari, is
interpreted as tignarius (i.e. faber tignarius, a carpenter).
This word presupposes another word gant, a beam or a rafter,
probably equivalent to your Ang.-Sax. gent; and thus
beócera-gent would be a beam upon which to stand bee-hives."
The question still remains, Why was the islet in question called Parva
Hibernia?
B. WILLIAMS.
The Lodge, Hillingdon.
—This strange legend reminds me
of the fine passage in Caractacus, of which I know not whether it is
an original conception, or taken from any author:—
"Masters of wisdom! No: my soul confides
In that all-healing and all-forming Power,
Who, on the radiant day when Time was born,
Cast his broad eye upon the wild of ocean,
And calm'd it with a glance; then, plunging deep
His mighty arm, pluck'd from its dark domain
This throne of freedom, lifted it to light,
Girt it with silver cliffs, and call'd it Britain;
He did, and will preserve it."
C. B.
—To E. D.'s Query, "whether
there is any well-authenticated instance of a woman having had more than
twenty-five children?" something like a reply will be found in the
following paragraph, which formed one of a series of "Curious Extracts,"
in the Edinburgh Antiquarian Magazine (1848):—
"'Extraordinary Number of Children.—The following
extraordinary, yet well-attested fact, is copied from Brand's
History of Newcastle, lately published. The fact is mentioned
and corroborated by a quotation from an Harleian MS. No. 980-87.
A weaver in Scotland had, by one wife, a Scotch woman,
sixty-two children, all living till they were baptized; of whom
four daughters only lived to be women, but forty-six sons
attained to man's estate. In 1630, Joseph Delavel, Esq., of
Northumberland, rode thirty miles beyond Edinburgh, to be
satisfied of the truth of this account, when he found the man and
woman both living; but at that time had no children abiding with
them. Sir John Bowes and three other gentlemen having, at
different periods, taken each ten in order to bring them up; the
rest also being disposed of. Three or four of them were at that
period (1630) at Newcastle.'—European Magazine, Dec. 1786."
But, of course, the question still arises, can this wonderful instance
be recognised as "a well-attested fact?"
R. S. F.
Perth.
In Wanley's Wonders of the Little Moral World (London, 1806), vol. i.
p. 76., will be found several instances of numerous families by one
mother; in one case (No. 27.) fifty-seven children; and in another (No.
6.), no less than seventy-three! Your correspondent can refer to the
authorities, which are also given. The authenticity of one of the cases
mentioned (No. 23.) will probably be easily ascertained, as it is said
to be the copy of an inscription in the churchyard of Heydon in
Yorkshire, to the following effect:—
"Here lieth the body of William Strutton of Padrington, buried
the 18th of May, 1734, aged ninety-seven, who had by his first
wife twenty-eight children, and by a second wife seventeen; was
father to forty-five, grandfather to eighty-six,
great-grandfather to ninety-seven, and great-great-grandfather to
twenty-three—in all 251."—Gent. Mag. Aug. 1731.
There appears to be some mistake in the reference, and I may mention
that I have not been able to find the epitaph in Mr. Urban's pages with
the assistance of the general index.[8]
E. N.
—One of the handsomest
quartos of our day, both in typography and engravings, is, Two Systems
of Astronomy: first, the Newtonian System ... second, the System in
accordance with the Holy Scriptures ... by Isaac Frost, London, 4to.,
1846 (Simpkin and Marshall). This work is Muggletonian, and contains
some extracts from The Divine Looking-Glass of the Third Testament of
our Lord Jesus Christ, by Reeve and Muggleton. I request your readers
to draw no inference from the letter with which I sign my
communications.
M.
—In reply to ABERDONIENSIS,
I beg to inform him that the "Maitland Club" (Glasgow) circulated as
the contribution of the Earl of Glasgow in the year 1832 a very handsome
volume, entitled Registrum Monasterii de Passelet,
M.C.LXIII-M.D.XXIX.
to which there was prefixed an highly interesting prefatory notice and
illustrative notes, in which it is there stated—
"That it may be proper to correct a popular mistake regarding
another record connected with the Monastery of Paisley. The
Black Book of Paisley, quoted by Buchanan and our earlier
historians, and which (having disappeared) was raised by later
antiquaries into undue importance as a distinct and original
chronicle, was nothing more than a copy of Fordun
(Scotichronicon), with Bowers' Continuation. It appears to have
been acquired by Thomas Lord Fairfax, but when Gale and Hearne
wrote, had already been deposited in the Royal Library, where it
is still preserved. (13. E. X.) Hearne particularly notices the
inscription on this volume: 'Iste liber est Sancti Jacobi et
Sancti Mirini de Pasleto.'—Præfatio ad Fordun, p. lxvi."
T. G. S.
Edinburgh.
—I have had these Italian lines in my
MS. book for many years as an "Epigram on Bonaparte's Legion of Honor."
If of earlier date, and another origin, they have been made good use of
by the would-be wits of the day, as a quiz upon Napoleon's honorary
badge.
HERMES.
—The Elegy on Coleman I have seen
paraphrased or travestied, and thus attributed to Dryden, who, not being
able to pay his wine-merchant's bill, was told, on dining with this
creditor, in the exhilaration of his cups, that if he (Dryden) would
improvise four lines expressive of pleasure to God, to the Devil, to
the World, and to the Merchant, the debt would be forgiven. Instantly,
therefore, the poet extemporised the following verses, sufficiently
redolent of their inspiring source:
"God is pleased when we abstain from sin;
The devil is pleas'd when we remain therein;
The world is pleas'd with good wine,
And you're pleased when I pay for mine."
J. R.
Cork.
—On the Liber
Conformitatum, I confidently assert, from accurate inquiry, that no
edition preceded that of 1510, nor is there any authority for the
alleged one of Venice. A long account of this most disedifying volume
will be found in DeBure's Bibliographie Instructive, No. 4540. I am in
possession of the second edition in 1511, perfectly identical in the
text. Its absurdity is equal to its obvious, though not intended,
blasphemy; for it is written in genuine simplicity of design. I have
likewise the Alcorand des Cordeliers, with the second book by Conrad
Badius, the son of Jodocus Badius Ascencius, a native of Belgium, but
one of the early Parisian printers, and author himself of various works.
The title of my edition of the Alcoran, printed at Geneva, 1575,
differs from that of 1586, but necessarily of the same import,
and quite as prolix.
J. R.
Cork.
—As J. F. F. has
repeated Blomefield's account of these curious pits (commonly known as
Grimes Graves, in Weeting parish, Norfolk), it is right to add some
more recent information respecting them. An investigation was made there
last month, by digging a trench through the middle of a pit, and at the
depth of about three feet an oval fire-place of flints was discovered,
containing numerous bones of oxen, &c. One of the smaller pits was then
similarly treated, and we found the same proofs of habitation. No stone
implements were discovered, but further researches may bring some to
light. Blomefield's statement that it is a Danish camp is quite without
foundation, and his "form of a quincunx," in which he supposed the pits
to be, could have existed only in his own imagination, stimulated by the
learned labours of Sir Thomas Browne. There can be no doubt now that
they were dwellings of the British, similar to the pits on the coast at
Weybourne. That Grime was a Danish leader, "Præpositus," &c., is also
open to doubt. When so many British earthworks are designated by this
name, what is more likely than that the Saxons, not knowing whose hands
had erected them, superstitiously ascribed them to the grim spirit,
the Devil?—whence Grimsdyke, the Devil's ditch, &c. Neither this
opinion, however, nor Mr. Guest's (a "boundary") seems applicable to a
Hundred, as Grimeshoo, unless as being so full of Grime's operations.
C. R. M.
—I confess
that I could draw quite a different conclusion from that of
CAROLUS CURSITOR respecting Junius's single misspelt mention of Lord Lyttleton's
name. If, as the reviewer argues (supposing I remember the article
correctly), the Hon. Thomas Lyttleton only once mentioned his father, in
order to prevent public attention settling on himself as the author of
Junius's Letters, it seems to me to be in unison with such artifice,
that he should have purposely made a slight error in spelling the name.
But is the writer, and not the printer, responsible for this blunder?
ALFRED GATTY.
—A learned Cambridge professor, who has been a
V.P.R.S., once related to me the following anecdote, in reference to the
celebrated and most practical philosopher, the late Dr. Wollaston. In
the rooms of the Royal Society the Doctor chanced to mention that he
could not, for the life of him, discover the composition of the rich
black pigment used by the ancient Egyptians in their inscriptions on the
mummy cases. He had analysed it over and over again, and invariably
found animal matter present. How was this? "Why," observed a member, to
the grievous annoyance of the somewhat self-opinioned Doctor, "they used
the ink of the (Sepia officinalis) cuttle-fish." This most remarkable
excretion is of the deepest black hue; and that it retains its peculiar
qualities unimpaired, even after being buried beneath the chalk
formation of this earth of our's for unnumbered periods, is proved in
the case of the well-known fossil ink of Dean Buckland. I know not
whether or no this will answer the Query of MR. W. SPARROW SIMPSON, B.A.
COWGILL.
—AJAX is informed that the best map
of Morocco that has probably appeared is given in the volume of the
Exploration Scientifique de l'Algérie, entitled "L'Empire de Maroc par
Berbrugger." An excellent map of Algeria by R. H. Dufour, is published
at a moderate price by Longuet, 8. Rue de la Paix, Paris. The date on my
copy is 1850; it forms one of a series of maps issued by the same
parties, and forming an Atlas of Algeria. I add from the Leipzig
Catalogue (1849, viertes Heft) the title of a work which may assist
AJAX in his labours. Though I have not examined the work myself, I know
it to be of some repute. The author now forms one of the mission for
exploring Central Africa:
"Barth Dr. Heinr. Wanderungen durch die Küstenländer d.
Mittelmeers, ausgeführt in den J. 1845, 1846 u. 1847. In 2 Bdn 1
Bd A.u.d. T.: Wanderungen durch das Punische u. Kyrenäische
Küstenland od. Màg'reb, Afrik'ia u. Bark'a. Mit 1 (lith. u.
illum.) Karte (in Imp. fol.) gr. 8. Berlin, Hertz."
The travels of Dr. Barth had especial reference to the discovery and
identification of ancient localities.
NORTHMAN.
—To this list may be added that of a learned lady, namely, of the
Lady Ann Bacon (Cooke), second wife of the Lord Keeper, and mother of
the Lord Chancellor. She translated, from the Italian of Bernardine
Achine, Twenty-five Sermons, published about 1550.
Sir Nathaniel Bacon, the painter, was the youngest son of Nicholas, the
eldest son of the Lord Keeper, and consequently the latter's grandson.
This Nicholas, of Redgrave, Suffolk, was High Sheriff of Norfolk, 1597,
and represented the same county in the parliament of 1603. He was the
first person created a baronet; and from him are descended the Bacons of
Redgrave, Suffolk, afterwards of Great Ryburgh, Garboldisham,
Gillingham, and now of Raveningham, Norfolk, premier baronets of
England.
There are engraved portraits of Lady Ann Bacon, and of Sir Nathaniel the
painter.
COWGILL.
—In reference
to the superstitious practices in question, the readers of the Prose
Edda, many of whose traditions still survive amongst us, will remember
what it is therein narrated concerning the ship Naglfar. Amongst the
terror-fraught prodigies preceding Ragnarök, or the Twilight of the
Gods, and the Conflagration of the Universe, we are informed that "on
the waters floats the ship Naglfar, which is constructed of the nails of
dead men. For which reason," it is said, "great care should be taken to
die with pared nails; for he who dies with his nails unpared, supplies
materials for the building of this vessel, which both gods and men wish
may be finished as late as possible." Of this ship, the more ancient and
poetical Völn-spà also speaks in something like the following terms:—
"A keel from distant East is nearing,
Pilotted by Loki's hand,
Muspellheimr's children bearing,—
Sea-borne comes that horrid band!
With the wolf to join, are speeding,
In a grim and gaunt array,
Monster-forms 'neath Loki's leading,—
Byleist's brother leads the way."
COWGILL.
—I have not seen the following motto noticed either
in your pages or elsewhere. I quote it from memory, as I recollect
reading it many years ago on the sun-dial in front of the Hospice on the
summit of the Mont Cenis:
"Tempore nimboso securi sistile gradum—
Ut mihi sic vobis hora quietis erit."
J. E. T.
—Allow me to add to
P. M. M.'s list:
| Spelling. |
Pronunciation. |
North-brook-end (Cambridgeshire) |
Nobacken. |
Mountnessing (Essex) |
Moneyseen. |
Brookhampton (Glostershire) |
Brockington. |
| Barnstaple |
Barum. |
| Crediton |
Kirton. |
| Penrith |
Perith. |
| Brougham |
Broome. |
| Birmingham |
Brummagem. |
It is hardly worth while to mention the larger tribe of contractions,
such as Alsford for Alresford, Wilsden for Willesden, Harfordwest for
Haverfordwest; nor the class of derivations from the Roman Castrum, as
Uxeter for Uttoxeter, Toster for Towcester, and the like.
The railroads are correcting these grosser errors wherever they fall in
with them. I remember a few years ago, being at Gloster, and intending
to take the train to Cisiter, as I had always called it. "Oh!" said
the porter, with quite the air of a Lingo, "you mean Ci-ren-cester."
But I believe the good folks of the neighbourhood still stick to
Aberga'ny and Cisiter.
P. M. M.'s appeal to your Scotch and Irish correspondents will I think
produce little. In Scotland, names are generally pronounced as written,
with a few exceptions, such as Enbro' and Lithgow, and perhaps a few
others: but in Ireland I do not remember a single instance of the
corruption of a name; though certainly the Irish might be forgiven if
they had contracted or mollified such names as Drumcullagher,
Ballaghaddireen, Moatagreenoque, and Tamnaughtfinlaggan. The
English are, I believe, the only people who habitually clip proper
names of persons or places, but I think it is also the only language in
which the spelling of words does not afford a general guide for their
pronunciation. No other language that I know anything of can afford such
anomalies as are to be found, for instance, in rough, cough,
lough, plough, dough, through, &c. &c.
C.
The following are such names of places as have come within my
observation:—
| Spelling. |
Pronunciation. |
| Happisburgh |
Ha'sboro'. |
| Wormegay |
Rungay. |
| Sechehithe |
Setchey. |
Wiggenhall St. Mary
Magdalen[9] |
Maudlin. |
| Babingley |
Beverley. |
| Methwold |
Muell. |
| Northwold |
Nordell. |
Hockwold cum Wilton |
Hockold-Wilts. |
J. N. C.
—In support of A.
E. B., with whose view I entirely concur, it may be added that villain
and knave do not make the proposition such a truism as Horatio (who is
not intended for a conjuror, much less a verbal critic) admits it to be.
Alexander the Great has been called a villain and a robber, but
never a knave or a thief. By the Rule of Three, villain: robber::
knave: thief. As a truism, intended by Hamlet before the first line was
spoken, it is not good enough for Hamlet's wit. But, supposing the
second line invented, pro re natâ, to cover the retreat of the
disclosure which was advancing in the first line, it is just what might
have suggested itself—for Hamlet's uncle was both villain and knave.
M.