As no reply has been given to your various correspondents on the above
subject by one of the Brethren's church, permit a friend to give a few
particulars with which he has become acquainted.
The first authorised English edition of the Moravian hymn-book is that
of 1754, in the preface to which it is stated, that though there had
been some English Collections of Hymns, partly original, and partly
translations from the German, in use among the societies in union with
the Brethren's church, "these were never regularly authorised, nor
always passably reviewed." This book is a bulky 8vo.: it is in two
parts; the first consisting of 380 pages, and the second of upwards of
400; together containing about 1200 hymns and Scripture anthems. The
next edition appeared in 1769; and a third twenty years later. There
have been several editions during the present century, in 8vo., 12mo.,
and 18mo., the last of which was published in 1819; and the preface
states that the whole of the hymns had been revised by "Brother James
Montgomery" of Sheffield.
To the inquiry of C. B. as to the honesty of Rimius, I would refer him
to an excellent essay by the Rev. P. Latrobe, appended to Jackson's
translation of the Life of Count Zinzendorf, by Spangenberg. (London,
1838.)
The memory of your Thurles correspondent is at fault, as may be
supposed, from a twenty-five years' recollection. Bishop Gambold could
not have published a Moravian hymn-book in 1738, for he did not join the
Brethren's church till November, 1742; nor was he consecrated a bishop
till 1754.—See his Life, appended to his Works, printed by S. Hazard,
of Bath, 1789.
When Southey's animadversions appeared, they were replied to by "William
Okely, M.D., Presbyter of the Brethren's Church, and Minister of their
Congregation at Bristol," in a letter written in a good-humoured style,
yet caustic withal. Unfortunately, as long as Southey's work lasts the
poison will remain, while the antidote will be forgotten. The Doctor
observes:
"What could possibly induce you, with such ill-judged eagerness,
to rake into the kennels of oblivion? Why do you exhibit among
your authorities the publications of such a vile fellow as
Rimius? Was you not informed that he wrote with all the rancour
of a renegado, and all the spite of an enemy? Is such a man
proper to be publicly called forth as a witness against a church
which he had deserted from no excess of virtue; against a church
which, yourself being judge, has, by its silent but honorable
exertions, first glorified God among the heathen, and then
stimulated the rest of the Christian world to engage in similar
attempts; against a church which, according to your own
representations, possesses in herself the rare principle of
gradual melioration, and, by a constant course of good living,
has, in the face of watchful enemies, been able to rise superior
to the consequences of former acknowledged indiscretions in
language? Did you know that those writings were sinking fast into
deserved neglect? That the copies had become so rare, that it was
scarcely possible to obtain one? What merit, I ask you, is there
in such publications, that you should thus studiously fish them
out of the mud which was already closing over them, and after
carefully scraping off the filth and mould which they had
contracted, spread over them a coating of your own poetical
varnish?
— — —
"What motive shall we assign for your conduct? You could not have
intended to warn the Christian world against indulging in similar
imprudences; for you well know that in the present day, society
has not the smallest tendency that way. You could not mean to
warn the Brethren against the recurrence of the same absurdities;
for you acknowledge yourself that they have already for a long
period risen superior to them; and instead of the least tendency
to relapse, they have repeatedly and publicly confessed their
mistake, and have suffered so much, and such often unmerited
obloquy, on account of their long-exploded phraseology,
that they are more likely in future to keep too far within bounds
from over caution, than once more wildly to overleap them.
— — —
"The only way to account for your conduct in this respect, is to
suppose it owing entirely to inadvertence. You were merely
amusing yourself, like the boys in the fable, unmindful that your
sport might perhaps prove death to a set of poor frogs. But ought
you not to have remembered the golden rule of Christ, never to do
unto others what you would not choose to have done to yourself?
Are you not still smarting under the blows you so lately received
from the battle-axe of Wat Tyler? Believe me, sir, communities
have feeling as well as individuals. In the days of your
ignorance, as you will now call them, you wrote what you are at
present ashamed of. To have composed Wat Tyler, you feel to be
little congenial with the spirit that ought to dwell in a
poet-laureate. When that unfortunate effusion of your pen was
officiously dragged into light, did it not touch you to the
quick? And why? Because you repented that you had ever written
it. We repent of having written and said those things which
occasioned Rimius' trumpet to sound. We have repeatedly declared
that we do repent, and our conduct has proved the truth of our
declaration. Must we not, therefore, feel pain at seeing our old
delinquencies, long forgiven and forgotten, once more coupled
with our name by a man of your respectable character and
abilities? Is not the pain we feel the very impress of what you
have felt, and still feel, on the score of Wat Tyler?"
From a Pamphlet printed at Bristol, 1820.
SIGMA.
In pursuance of my recommendation I now send to "N. & Q." the following
provincial and technical words, as taken from the published evidence
given before the coroner at the inquest on the Holmefirth catastrophe.
Technical names have been there used, which are either strange or
unknown even to many engineers, and which no dictionary that I am
acquainted with contains. The inquiry is, however, one of such general
interest at this time, as connected with the recent fearful loss of
life, and enormous destruction of property, that I also give some words,
the meaning of which is not so obscure. The names of the reservoir which
was bursted, and of the village which suffered most damage, may be taken
first.
Bilberry Reservoir: Bilberry is the local name of a berry growing on a
heath shrub; a species of Vacci'nium: the genus consists of about
fifty species. This berry, in England, is known as wimberry, blueberry,
blaeberry, blae, whortleberry, whort and huckleberry;
Saxon—heort-berg, hartberry; German—heidel-beere, heathberry;
Dutch—blaauwbes, blueberry. The reservoir, no doubt, covered a site
on which Vacci'nium Myrtillus, the common bilberries, grew.
Holmefirth: this name may be from holm, the Ilex, the evergreen
oak; or holm, a tract of flat rich land on the bank of a brook or
river. Frith, a passage or narrow channel; or frith, a kind of
"weir" for catching fish.
Greenhowlers: the name of a place where one of the witnesses resides.
Howler, or Owler, Alnus glutinosa, the common alder, a tree or shrub
growing in damp places, in plantations and hedges, mistaken by the
ignorant for the hazel. To send a boy "nutting amongst the howlers,"
is to put him upon a fool's task. This word is common in Lancashire and
Yorkshire.
Fall is applied to a number of trees cut down.
Fresh: a flood of water from heavy rain.
Drift: a small tunnel made for mining or engineering purposes.
Drift, in mechanics, a piece of steel or iron used to back a bolt,
or to widen a bolt-hole.
Dyke: a small water-course or river.
Dyke, in geology, a protruded wall of basalt or whin rock.
Goit: a small artificial water-course leading to a mill or reservoir.
Runs: small dykes.
Bye-wash: an artificial water-course, to allow of the escape of flood
waters from a reservoir.
Rag: a term for shale. In geology, thin-bedded, slaty strata.
Sludge or Sludgy: mud or muddy.
Puddle: prepared clay, tempered to form a wall in a reservoir bank, or
a lining to resist water.
Puddle-bank, Puddle-wall, and Puddle-dyke mean the same.
Culvert, Sewer, and Sough mean almost the same; an arched channel
of stone or brick for water or refuse to pass through. The first belongs
more properly to water-works; the two latter are synonyms applied to
town drainage, "Sough" being Lancashire.
Shuttle, Sluice, Valve, Clough, Paddle: these five names are
synonyms; they mean that portion of the apparatus which slides, or is
drawn up and let down, to inclose or let out the water of an artificial
stream or reservoir.
Swallow: the inner portion of the culvert, or the throat which leads
from the inner side of the reservoir to the "shuttle," the outer
portion being the supply-culvert.
Valve: an apparatus to retain or let out water, steam, &c. A valve may
slide as the shuttle, paddle, or sluice must do; or it may rise
with a spindle, vertically, as in the safety-valve of a steam boiler; or
may move on spindles or a hinge, as in some large pumps; or be in the
form of a ball, and play loose in a case, as in a fire-engine pump:
there are other forms of valves. Throttle-valve, a valve
fixed in the steam-pipe of an engine, to which the governor is
attached, to throttle or reduce the supply of steam to the cylinder.
In some engines, as the locomotive, there is no governor motion, and the
throttle-valve is consequently used by hand.
Waste-pit: a vertical pit or well, leading from the "overflow" on
the embankment into the supply; or, in this case, the "waste culvert."
Drawer: the man employed to draw water from the reservoir by raising
the "shuttle."
Such is a brief explanation of some of the provincial and technical
words used in the Holmefirth inquiry; and I think some of the readers of
"N. & Q." will have a right to say that a process of desynonymising is
required. So many names for the same thing, unless they are all
understood, generally lead to confusion.
ROBERT RAWLINSON.
In the neighbourhood of Canterbury we have the following.
Nail-bourn is the name given to an intermittent land-spring, showing
itself at uncertain intervals. There is one in the parish of Petham,
another near Sir John Honywood's at Evington, and a third at Barham.
To chastise is commonly used in the sense of to tax, or to charge,
a man; and is probably a mere corruption of to catechise.
Gazel is the Kentish word for the black currant.
To get lucker means to get loose or flabby.
To terrify is used almost universally for to tease, to irritate.
Φ.
I beg to forward for "N. & Q.," according to the suggestion of
MR. RAWLINSON, a few provincialisms. I know not whether my orthography is
correct, as I have never seen the words written, and therefore only
spell them according to the sound.
Critch (Hants): any earthenware vessel; a jar.
Dillijon: a heavy two-wheeled cart. This word's similarity to the
French diligence is apparent. I have only heard it at Fullerton, a
secluded spot in Hampshire.
Rattlemice:[3] bats.
Scug[4] (Hants): a squirrel. "Let's go scug-hunting" is a common
phrase.
Yesses (Dorsetshire): earth-worms.
UNICORN.
In the "Notes on Books" references are made to Mr. Sandys' Specimens of
Macaronic Poetry, and to M. Octave Delepierre's Macaronéana. This
latter work I have not yet seen, but if it does not contain the
following specimen which I recollect reading many years ago in a costly
work, Wild Sports of the East, but which I have not since seen, I
think its insertion may amuse the readers of "N. & Q.":
"Arma virumque cano qui primo solebo peeping
Jam nunc cum tabbynox languet to button her eyelids
Cum pointers et spaniels campos sylvasque pererrant
Vos mihi—Brontothesi over arms small and great dominantes
Date spurs to dull poet qui dog Latin carmina condit
Artibus atque novis audax dum sportsman I follow
Per stubbles et turnips et tot discrimina rerum
Dum partridge with popping terrificare minantur
Pauci namque valent a feather tangere plumbo
Carmina si hang fire discharge them bag piping Apollo
Te quoque magne cleator, te memorande precanur
Jam nunc thy fame gallops super Garamantos et Indos
Nam nabobs nil nisi de brimstone et charcoal loquentur
Horriferifizque 'Tippoo' sulphurea, sustinet arma
Induit ecce shooter tuncam made of meat marble drugget
Quæ bene convenient defluxit to the waistband of breeches
Nunc paper et powder et silices popped in the side pocket
Immemor haud shot bag graditur comitatus two pointers
Mellorian retinens tormentum dextra bibarelled
En stat staunch dog Dingo haud aliter quam steady guide post
Proximus atque Pero per stat si ponere juxta
With gun cocked and levelled et æva lumine clauso
Nunc avicida resolves haud double strong parcere powder
Vos teneri yelpers vos grandivique parentes
Nunc palsy pate Jove orate to dress to the left hand
Et Veneri tip the wink like a shot to skim down ab alto
Mingere per touch hole totamque madesceri priming
Nunc lugite dire nunc sportsman plangite palmas
Ex silis ecce lepus from box cum thistle aperto
Bang bellowed both barrels, heu! pronus sternitur each dog
Et puss in the interim creeps away sub tegmine thorn bush."
These verses I have dictated from memory after forty years, and there
may be some verbal inaccuracies. The name of "Tippoo" seems to point out
their Eastern origin, but I am not certain of the exact title of the
work from which I quote them, and I am indebted to "N. & Q." for the
name of Mr. Sandys as the author of Specimens of Macaronic Poems. In
my copy there is no indication of the author. Was there a second
edition?
JAMES CORNISH.
The inquiry by J. M. relative to the authority possessed by the letter
quoted from the Evangelical Magazine for Nov. 1797, may be fairly
answered by a reference to the letter in the magazine alluded to.
It is appended as a note to a "Memoir of the late Mr. Mouncher of
Southampton, written by the Rev. Mr. Kingsbury." The letter itself was
written from Montpellier in 1789, by Mr. Walter Taylor to his sister
Mrs. Mouncher; and, from the position of all those parties, would appear
to be deserving of credit as far as it goes.
It shows that Mr. W. Taylor, and others, conversed with the gardener of
the "King's Garden;" and from him (son of the former gardener) heard
that about forty-five years before Dr. Young had bribed the then
under-gardener to allow him to bury "Narcissa," and would thus prove
that the tradition existed at that time at Montpellier.
There is also in a retired part of the Botanic Garden (established by
Henry IV.) a stone bearing an inscription to "Narcissa," as mentioned in
Murray's Hand-Book, placed there probably in consequence of that
tradition. Moreover, it is believed, in the family of a gentleman of
Montpellier, that his maternal grandfather saw Dr. Young and his
step-daughter at Montpellier about the year 1741; that the lady died
there, and was buried, as is stated, in the garden; that however it was
not Mrs. Temple, but a younger sister of hers.
It appears from records in this country, that Lady Elizabeth Lee, by her
first marriage, had one son and two daughters. The son was buried at St.
Mary's-le-Strand in 1743; the elder daughter married Henry Temple, son
of Viscount Palmerston, and it appears died in France (perhaps at Lyons)
in 1736; the younger, Caroline, married Captain, afterwards General
Haviland, and died without issue. The General died at Penn in
Buckinghamshire in 1784; but no record relating to his first wife, Miss
Caroline Lee, is to be found there.
Such record, if found in any parish in England, would greatly tend to
decide the question. Possibly some correspondent may be in a position to
ascertain whether such record exists.
Lady Elizabeth had by her marriage with Dr. Young, a son only; it could
not, therefore, be a daughter of Young's who died at Montpellier.
D. S.
Why this word should have "set all editors of Chaucer at defiance" is
not very apparent, for he himself sufficiently explains its meaning by
the context. The passage in which it occurs is in Troylus and
Creseyde, b. iii. 931. seq. thus:
"Creseyde answerde, As wisely God at reste
My soule bringe, as me is for him wo,
And eme, iwys, fayne wolde I dône the best,
If that I a grace had for to do so.
But whether that ye dwell, or for him go,
I am, tyl God me bettre mynde sende,
At Dulcarnon, right at my wyttes end.
"(Quod Pandarus). Ye nece! Wol ye here?
Dulcarnon is called flemyng of wretches.
It semeth harde, for wretches wol nought lere
For very slouthe, or other wylful tetches:
This is said by hem, that be not worthe two fetches.
But ye ben wyse," &c.
Now Speght, in his Glossary to the edition of 1602, says:
"Dulcarnon is a proposition in Euclide, lib. i. theorem 33.
propos. 47., which was found out by Pythagoras after an whole
yeeres study, and much beating of his brayne. In thankfulnes
whereof he sacrificed an oxe to the gods; which sacrifice he
called Dulcarnon. Alexander Neckham, an ancient writer, in his
booke De Naturis rerum, compoundeth this word of Dulia and
Caro, and will have Dulcarnon to be quasi sacrificium carnis.
Chaucer aptly applieth it to Creseide in this place: showing that
she was as much amazed how to answer Troilus, as Pythagoras was
wearied to bring his desire to effect."
Master Speght is somewhat in error in his solution: let us hear another
expositor. I have mentioned in your pages the existence of a translation
into rhymed Latin verse of the whole of Chaucer's Troilus, with a
copious commentary by Sir Francis Kynaston; and I may now add, for Mr.
Lang's satisfaction, that it is penes me. The following note there
occurs on this word:
"Dulcarnon, &c. By this exposition, which Pandarus makes of the
word Dulcarnon, it is plaine that Chaucer sets it downe here as
a worde in use in his time, and such a one as the logicians do
call (being a word of no significant sense) vox significans ad
placitum, as in English twittle twattle, fiddle faddle,
quibling and conundrums, and the like. So Dulcarnon in those
times was a word of the same signification as we at this day do
use nonplus; as we say by a scholler that is apposed and cannot
answer any further, that he is put to a nonplus, a phrase
derived from Hercules' motto written upon the two great Gaditane
pillars set on either side the Straights of Gibraltar: which
Hercules constituted as the end of the world with these words,
NON PLUS ULTRA: meaning that no man ever did or could go further
than those pillars. For Neckham's far-fetch'd criticisme in
deriving the etymologie of the word Dulcarnon from the Greeke
word Doulia, and the Latine word Carnium, that is, the
service of flesh, which Euclide sacrificed for joy of the
invention of a probleme which he demonstrated, [and] on which he
had long studied, [it] is in my minde quite from the
purpose."
The usual explanation, with a reference to Chaucer, will be found in
Blount's Glossographia, and in Philips's World of Words, as well as
in the folio edition of Bailey's Dictionary, where it is well defined
"to be nonplussed, to be at one's wit's end."
Mr. Inglis's note to his translation of Richard de Bury's
Philobiblion, which is taken from Billingsley, points out the
connexion between the words Ellefuga and Dulcarnon, which, as he
says, "have been a pons asinorum to some good Grecians." The reason
will appear to have been that the words were derived from the Arabic,
and not from the Greek, according to Dr. Adam Littleton:
"Dulcarnon, i.e. bicorne, cornutum, à figura sic dicta. A hard
proposition in Euclid, l. 1. prop. 47. So called in Arabic, and
used by old English writers for any hard question or point.
DILEMMA, PROBLEMA."
So that to be at Dulcarnon may be said to be on the horns of a
dilemma.
S. W. SINGER.
I cannot see the great difficulty which Mr. Halliwell and your
correspondents perceive in the use of this word. Of course they are
aware, that Iscander Dulcarnein (Alexander Bicornis) is Alexander the
Great, the same name being also fabulously ascribed to a far more
ancient and imaginary king; and that the æra of Dulcarnein (or
Macedonian æra) is well known in Eastern chronology. There is therefore
no doubt about the word, only about its application. Why did the name of
this king stand for our Coventry or Jericho, a place to which the people
are flemed or banished?
Because Dulcarnein built the famous iron walls of Jajuge and Majuge,
within which Gog and Magog are confined until the latter days of the
world; when God shall reduce the wall to dust, and set free the captive
nations (Koran, cap. xviii.). Sending to Dulcarnein is merely an
ellipsis of the person for his place, i.e. for the rampart of
Dulcarnein. Certainly no men can be more effectually flemed than Gog and
Magog were.
But as to the point of being "at one's wits end," no one can be so
little conversant with human affairs as the inmates of the iron wall.
Knowledge depends much on place. So sailors say, "he has been before."
I have only an uncommented text of Chaucer. But I cannot understand his
editors allowing this word to "set them at defiance."
A. N.
It seems to be of so much importance to ascertain the safety of these
manuscripts, that M—N. trusts he need not apologise for stating in "N.
& Q." the result thus far of his inquiry after their present ownership.
In consequence of the recommendation of E. A. G. (Vol. v., p. 135.), Sir
Edward Tierney has been applied to, but he unfortunately knows nothing
of their fate, suggesting, however, a reference to Mr. Woodgate, who was
concerned as solicitor at the time of the sale. Mr. Woodgate has been
written to, and states that the manuscripts were sold with the other
effects of Lord Egmont, but he knows not to whom; he mentions Mr.
Braithwaite as the auctioneer. To apply to Mr. Braithwaite would be only
carrying the inquiry round in a circle, for twenty years ago, as was
stated at page 59, no satisfactory information could be gained there.
All, therefore, that remains is to place on record in this useful
journal the fact of the disappearance of these manuscripts, in the hopes
that some one of its numerous readers may be able now or hereafter to
give some account of their existence. When it is recollected that the
only copies of many of the latest visitations were among these
collections, and that the latter portion of the seventeenth century, to
which these visitations refer, is exactly that period in which
genealogists, from many causes, find the connexion of pedigrees the most
difficult, the discovery of their fate is not without its interest.
M—N.
Noble's account of the sale of these MSS., after the death of Garter in
1715, is as follows:
"Mr. Bridges of Herefordshire, his executor, obtaining possession
of the heraldic books which Garter had in his house, never
returned them to the College; they were very numerous and
valuable, being some of the original visitations, taken by or
under the authority of the St. Georges. With these also were many
of Camden's books. These original documents were scandalously
sold by Messrs. Wynne and Gregory [sons-in-law of Sir Henry St.
George] to Thomas Percival, Earl of Egmont, a great lover of
genealogical studies, who gave for them 500l.: they are now
possessed by that nobleman's grandson, John-James, the present
Earl of Egmont."—Hist. Coll. Arms, p. 353. 4to. 1804.
This statement has led to the inference, that the whole of St.
George's MSS. were disposed of to Lord Egmont; but the fact is
otherwise, for by far the most valuable portion of them was subsequently
in the hands of Thomas Osborne, the well-known bookseller of Gray's Inn;
who printed a list of them, with an index of the pedigrees, in his
catalogue entitled:
"A Catalogue of several valuable Libraries of Books and MSS. &c.
To which is prefixed a Genealogical Library in above Two hundred
Manuscript Volumes in folio, &c. Collected and augmented by the
late Sir Henry St. George, Knt., Garter King of Arms, and his
ancestors, in the office of Arms, for above these hundred years
past. To begin to be sold, 27 November, 1738."
These MSS. are 216 in number, and many of them are at present in the
British Museum, in the Lansdowne Collection of MSS. Osborne reprinted
this list in his next catalogue for February 1738/9, entitled:
"An Extensive and Curious Catalogue of valuable Books and MSS. in
all Languages, &c., including a very large Collection of Curious
Genealogical Tracts," &c.
After the MSS., which occupy pp. 68-92., is an "Appendix," consisting of
thirty-three pedigree rolls, chiefly on vellum, which also belonged to
St. George.
To conclude with a Query, may I ask, if any complete list of Osborne's
Catalogues can be obtained previous to 1756, when the list in
Nichols's Literary Anecdotes, vol. iii., begins?
μ.
I inclose a copy of an autograph letter of Sterne's written when at
Paris. It is very interesting, and is not contained among his published
letters. Some few words are illegible, and several of the proper names
may be inaccurately copied.
"Paris, March 15, 1762.
"My Dear,—Having an opportunity of writing by a physician, who is
posting off for London to-day, I would not omit doing it, though you
will possibly receive a letter (which is gone from hence last post) at
the very same time. I send to Mr. Foley's every mail-day, to inquire for
a letter from you; and if I do not get one in a post or two, I shall be
greatly surprised and disappointed. A terrible fire happened here last
night, the whole fair of St. Germain's burned to the ground in a few
hours; and hundreds of unhappy people are now going crying along the
streets, ruined totally by it. This fair of St. Germain's is built upon
a spot of ground covered and tiled, as large as the Minster Yard,
entirely of wood, divided into shops, and formed into little streets,
like a town in miniature. All the artizans in the kingdom come with
their wares—jewellers, silversmiths,—and have free leave from all
parts of the world to profit by general licence from the Carnival to
Easter. They compute the loss at six millions of livres, which these
poor creatures have sustained, not one of which have saved a single
shilling, and many fled out in their shirts, and have not only lost
their goods and merchandize, but all the money they have been taking
these six weeks. Oh! ces moments de malheur sont terribles, said my
barber to me, as he was shaving me this morning; and the good-natured
fellow uttered it with so moving an accent, that I could have found in
my heart to have cried over the perishable and uncertain tenure of every
good in this life.
"I have been three mornings together to hear a celebrated pulpit orator
near me, one Père Clement, who delights me much; the parish pays him 600
livres for a dozen sermons this Lent; he is K. Stanislas's
preacher—most excellent indeed! his matter solid, and to the purpose;
his manner, more than theatrical, and greater, both in his action and
delivery, than Madame Clairon, who, you must know, is the Garrick of the
stage here; he has infinite variety, and keeps up the attention by it
wonderfully; his pulpit, oblong, with three seats in it, into which he
occasionally casts himself; goes on, then rises, by a gradation of four
steps, each of which he profits by, as his discourse inclines him: in
short, 'tis a stage, and the variety of his tones would make you imagine
there were no less than five or six actors on it together.
"I was last night at Baron de Bagg's concert; it was very fine, both
music and company; and to-night I go to the Prince of Conti's. There is
a Monsieur Popignière, who lives here like sovereign prince; keeps a
company of musicians always in his house, and a full set of players; and
gives concerts and plays alternately to the grandees of this metropolis;
he is the richest of all the farmer...; he did me the honour last night
to send me an invitation to his house, while I stayed here—that is, to
his music and table.
"I suppose you had terrible snows in Yorkshire, from the accounts I read
in the London papers. There has been no snow here, but the weather has
been sharp; and was I to be all the day in my room, I could not keep
myself warm for a shilling a day. This is an expensive article to great
houses here—'tis most pleasant and most healthy firing; I shall never
bear coals I fear again; and if I can get wood at Coswold, I will always
have a little. I hope Lydia is better, and not worse, and that I shall
hear the same account of you. I hope my Lydia goes on with her French; I
speak it fast and fluent, but incorrect both in accent and phrase; but
the French tell me I speak it most surprisingly well for the time. In
six weeks I shall get over all difficulties, having got over one of the
worst, which is to understand whatever is said by others, which I own I
found much trouble in at first.
"My love to my Lyd——. I have got a colour into my face now, though I
came with no more than there is in a dishclout.
"I am your affectionate
"L. STERNE.
"For Mrs. Sterne at York."
H. A. B.
A letter from Sterne, dated Paris, May 19, 1764, giving an account of
his mode of life there, and other notices of him in France, are to be
found in a small tract, Seven Letters written by Sterne and his
Friends, hitherto unpublished, edited by William Durrant Cooper, 1844.
M. T. R.
Though not cotemporary, there are some lively notices of Sterne's
journey to France in the London Magazine for 1825, pp. 38. 387.
COWGILL.
—As an original subscriber, and the first Querist
who opened the vexata questio of Collar of Esses, I shall perhaps be
doing you a kind service, Mr. Editor, if I may be allowed to step
forward once more as moderator between the disputants, as I did (Vol.
ii., p. 394.) between ARMIGER and a much respected correspondent.
There may be some excuse for H. B. as he confesses (Vol. v., p. 182.)
himself to be freshman in the pages of "N. & Q.;" and therefore he is
a stranger to the tone of courtesy and good humour which are so
essential to the prosperity, maintenance, and extension of your very
useful periodical. A little more experience in his readings, and less of
self-opiniatedness, would have spared him the severe but merited remarks
of MR. L. EVANS (Vol. v., p. 207.).
As of old all writers were wont to consider their readers most
courteous, so let those who write for your pages reverse this rule—and
then there will be nothing contrary to such a tone, to the injury of "N.
& Q."
S. S.
—This passage does not, as X.
G. X. thinks, come from Irenæus, but from St. Austin. I find the
reference to it in Bingham's Antiquities (vol. i. p. 72. ed. 1843),
where the whole passage is thus quoted at the foot of the page:
"Quid est episcopus, nisi primus presbyter, id est, summus
sacerdos?"—Aug. Quæst. Vet. et N. Test. c. ci.
F. A.
—I do not pretend to know
anything of the history of paper-making; but it may be well to send you
a passage from Fuller's Worthies (Vol. i. p. 224., ed. Nuttall), which
lately fell in my way:
"Paper is entered as a manufacture of this county
[Cambridgeshire], because there are mills nigh Sturbridge fair,
where paper was made in the memory of our fathers. Pity the
making thereof is disused: considering the vast sums yearly
expended in our land for paper out of Italy, France, and Germany,
which might be lessened, were it made in our nation."
J. C. R.
—The real name of this shrew
does not appear to have reached posterity, but she gave rise to the sign
of Mother Red-cap on the Hampstead Road,
A.D. 1676, and was probably the
person represented on that sign; to her portrait, which may be found
in a book published by "Arnett, Westminster, 1819," entitled Portraits
and Lives of Remarkable and Eccentric Characters, are annexed the
following lines:
"You've often seen (from Oxford tipling house)
Th' effigies of Shipton fac'd Mother Louse,
Whose pretty pranks (tho' some they might excel)
With this old trot's ne'er gallop'd parallel—
'Tis Mother Damnable! that monstrous thing,
Unmatch'd by Macbeth's wayward women's ring,
For cursing, scolding, fuming, flinging fire
I' th' face of madam, lord, knight, gent, cit, squire;
Who (when but ruffled into the least pet)
With cellar door-key into pocket get—
Then no more ale; and now the fray begins!
'Ware heads, wigs, hoods, scarfs, shoulders, sides, and shins!
While these dry'd bones, in a Westphalian bag,
(Through the wrinkled weasan of her shapeless crag)
Send forth such dismal shrieks and uncouth noise,
As fills the town with din, the streets with boys;
Which makes some think, this fierce she-dragon fell
Can scarce be match'd by any this side hell.
So fam'd both far and near, is the renown
Of Mother Damnable of Kentish Town.
Wherefore this symbol of the cat's we'll give her,
Because, so curst, a dog, would not dwell with her."
JAMES CORNISH.
—At the last meeting of the
Society of Scottish Antiquaries, a curious jewel, belonging to the Earl
of Leven, and entailed in his lordship's family, was exhibited by the
Hon. Leslie Melville. It is believed to have been transmitted by the
Speaker of the House of Commons to the Earl of Leven on the occasion of
the surrender of Charles I., when the earl was in command of the army at
Newark. The jewel encloses a beautiful little miniature of Oliver
Cromwell.
E. N.
—Gieseler, in his Lehrbuch der
Kirchengeschichte, vol. i., p. 1. ed. 4., says that the word kirche
(and consequently church) is most probably derived from τὸ
κυριακόν. In support of this opinion, he quotes Walafrid Strabo, who
wrote about A.D. 840:
"Si autem quæritur qua occasione ad vos vestigia hæc Græcitatis
advenerint, dicendum—præcipue a Gothis, cum eo tempore quo ad
fidem Christianam, licet non recto itinere [i.e. by means of
Arianism], perducti sunt, in Græcorum provinciis commorantes,
nostrum, i.e. theotiscum, sermonem habuerint."
He adds that Ulphilas is evidence for the general adoption of Greek
ecclesiastical terms by the Goths; and he confirms the idea of a Greek
derivation by the remark that derivatives of κυριακόν occur,
not only in the Teutonic languages, but in those of the Sclavonic
nations, whose conversion proceeded from Greece. Thus, the
Bohemian word is cyrkew, the Russian zerkow, the Polish cerkiew.
The use of derivatives of ecclesia (which I would remind
MR. STEPHENS
is also originally Greek) in the Roman languages, no doubt arises from
the circumstance that that word had been adopted into Latin, whereas the
other had not.
J. C. R.
—It is certain from the
State Trials, ix. 31., that Count Charles John Königsmark, the
murderer of Mr. Thynn, was the elder of the two brothers; for it
appeared on the trial that the younger, Philip Christopher (a dozen
years later the gallant of the young Princess of Hanover), was at that
time a youth still under the care of a travelling tutor, who was
examined on the trial. This is stated in the Quarterly Review, art.
"Lexington Papers," to which inquirers had been already referred (Vol.
v., p. 115.). I am a little at a loss to account for J. R. J.'s
distribution of his epithets; he calls the case of the elder brother
"mysterious," and that of the second "well-known," when in truth the
former case is, and has been well-known these hundred and fifty years.
Whereas the second case was so long a mystery that it was nowhere told
but in a corner of Horace Walpole's Reminiscences, and he was mistaken
as to the identity of the victim,—a mistake but recently cleared up. I
believe, too, that until the discovery of the Lexington Papers, no one
altogether believed the story; and the minuter details of the case, such
as by whose order, and how, and when and where the deed was done, and
how and where the body was disposed of, are still so far mysterious that
Walpole's Reminiscences and the Princess's own notes differ
essentially on all those points.
C.
—I have not immediate means of
access to the French work referred to in No. 121. of "N. & Q.," and
therefore do not know how far the personage there alluded to is
described as "imaginary;" but it appears to me that Cagliostro may have
intended reference to his great friend and predecessor in Rosicrucian
philosophy, the Count de St. Germain. This arch-impostor, who attained
no small celebrity at the court of Louis XV., pretended to be possessed
of the elixir of life, by means of which he had prolonged his existence
from a period which he varied according to the supposed credulity of his
audience; at one time carrying back the date of his birth to the
commencement of the Christian Era, at others being content to assume an
antiquity of a few centuries, being assisted in his imposture by a most
accurate memory of the history of the times, the events of which he
related, and also by an able accomplice who attended him as a servant.
On one occasion, when describing at a dinner table a circumstance which
had occurred at the court of "his friend Richard I. of England," he
appealed to his attendant valet for the confirmation of his story, who,
with the greatest coolness replied: "You forget, Sir, I have only been
500 years in your service." "True," said his master, "it was a little
before your time." The origin of this able charlatan, of whom many other
amusing stories are related, is not known. He was sometimes thought,
from the Jewish cast of his features, to be the "wandering Jew;" while
others reported that he was the son of an Arabian princess, and that his
father was a Salamander.
E. H. Y.
—I should not have said another word on the above
question, had not DR. TODD seen fit to give a somewhat different turn to
the criticism on Num. xi. 26. As it is, I must beg space to say, that it
is the learned whose attention I solicit to examine the value of our
respective criticisms, and not that of the unlearned, as
DR. TODD
intimates. I do not think that there are many regular readers of the "N.
& Q." who can be classed amongst the unlearned. To the judgment of the
learned, therefore, I now resign this protracted disquisition.
MOSES MARGOLIOUTH.
—Paul Hentzner,
who was presented to Queen Elizabeth at the palace of Greenwich,
describes her majesty, who was then in her sixty-fifth year, as "very
majestic; her face oblong, fair, but wrinkled; her eyes small, yet
black and pleasant. She wore false hair, and that red." Delaroche,
however, in his well-known picture at the Luxembourg, has given her a
very swarthy complexion.
Query: What was the celebrated Lunebourg table, of some of the gold of
which, according to Hentzner, a small crown which she wore was reported
to be made?
H. C.
Workington.
—A knare is a knot or lump,
"knarry, stubby, knotty" (Coles's Dictionary, 1717). It was, no
doubt, as J. BR. says, sometimes written gnare; and in that form is
the root of Shakspeare's "gnarled (or knotty) oak." In Norfolk and
Suffolk, small plantations—not "scrubby woods"—are called carrs,
as J. BR. states, but certainly not from knare, but, as I rather
think, from their square shape, carré. Those that I am acquainted with
in those counties are generally of that form, and look like plantations
made on purpose for game. When you hear a carr mentioned in those
counties, you always think of a pheasants' preserve. I know not whether
the same word and meaning extend inland. Nor do I think that
knare has any affinity with snare.
C.
In reply to your correspondent's Query, I beg to submit the following,
which may prove of utility in tracing out the meaning of the word,
viz.:—Forby's Glossary by Turner, vol. i. p. 56., thus has it:
"CAR, s. a
wood or grove on a moist soil, generally of alders."
We have them in this country; also the term "osier-cars."
In Kersey's English Dictionary, 1708, we have thus:
"GNAR or GNUR, a hard knot in wood."
In Bailey's Dictionary, 1753, we have it thus:
"GNARR
[Knorre, Teutonic], a hard knot in a tree.—Chaucer."
May it not thus mean a knot or clump of trees?
It is also allied to quarry, from the French carré, which signifies
a bed, not only for digging stones for building purposes, but also as
they are sometimes called, osier-beds, alder-beds.
The towns "Narborough" and "Narford" in Norfolk are so called from their
being situated on the river "Nar;" the one a city or town on the river;
and the other being, by means of a ford, originally over it. Both were
originally written Nere as the prefix.
J. N. C.
—PATERFAMILIÆ is informed that a good
and not expensive map of Borneo has been recently published by Augustus
Petermann; and a section of the Isthmus of Panama, showing the railway
from Chargres to Panama, may be had of the Admiralty agent for a few
pence.
NORTHMAN.
—A short ride from Oxford
will take your correspondent J. H. PARKER to one or two market towns in
Berks, answering to the description given of the French Villes
Anglaises. Wokingham will afford an illustration somewhat resembling
Winchelsea; the town is of triangular form, the streets meeting in a
central area, which contains a quaint old market-house: it is within the
prescribed limits of Windsor Forest, and the Forest Courts were formerly
held there—the charter of incorporation has existed from time
immemorial.
KT.
—There is a Query by S. S.
(Vol. iii., p. 39.) about Sir Alexander Cumming and the Cherokees, which
I do not think has yet had any reply. Vol. iii., p. 152., a replyist
refers to a work in which is an autobiography of the baronet. I have not
had an opportunity to refer to that, but I suspect it would not meet
the question, as Sir Alexander Cumming of Coulter, who was created a
Nova Scotia baronet 1695, and Alexander Cumming, the King of the
Cherokees, were diverse persons. The last died in 1775, and according to
Lysons was buried at East Barnet. At vol. iv. p. 20., under Barnet,
Lysons gives the following account bearing on the Cherokees:
"In 1729 he (Cumming) was induced, by a dream of Lady Cumming's,
to undertake a voyage to America, for the purpose of visiting the
Cherokee nations. He left England on the 13th of September, and
arrived at Charlestown on the 5th of December. On the 11th of
March following he set out for the Indians' country; on the 3rd
of April, 1730, he was crowned commander and chief ruler of the
Cherokee nations, in a general meeting of chiefs at Nequisee
among the mountains; he returned to Charlestown the 13th of April
with six Indian chiefs, and on the 5th of June arrived at Dover;
on the 18th he presented the chiefs to George II. at Windsor,
where he laid his crown at his Majesty's feet; the chiefs also
did homage, laying four scalps at the king's feet, to show that
they were an overmatch for their enemies, and five eagles' tails
as emblems of victory. These circumstances are confirmed by the
newspapers of that time, which are full of the proceedings of the
Cherokees whilst in England, and speak of them as brought over by
Sir Alexander Cumming. Their portraits were engraved on a single
sheet. In 1766 Archbishop Secker appointed him one of the
pensioners in the Charter-House, where he died at a very advanced
age."
His son, who succeeded him in the title, became deranged in his
intellects, and died about three years ago, in a state of indigence, in
the neighbourhood of Red Lion Street, Whitechapel. He had been a captain
in the army: the title became extinct at his death.
C. G.
—As in No. 120. J. R.
assumes the acrimonious bearing of M. J. in No. 82., I am induced to
refer to the stale, flat, and unprofitable question of the authenticity
of the Letters of Junius. If those gentlemen will refer to No. 82., p.
412., fifth line from the bottom, and read "who once" for "and
once," they will find any acrimony unnecessary; and that the use of the
word "and" was an accidental error. This useless riddle has occupied
too much of the time of able and of idle men, on what is, moreover, a
worthless subject. Dr. Johnson, in his paper on the "Falkland Islands,"
has given a severe but just criticism on Junius, and truly says, that
most readers mistake the "venom of the shaft for the vigour of the bow."
Junius has laid down no great principle, illustrated no political truth,
nor given any clear and irrefutable proof of contemporaneous history. To
attribute reprehensible motives always shows lowness and vulgarity of
mind. Junius gives one the idea of a democratic ruff mounted on stilts
going, from natural predilection, through the mud and dirt, and
splashing it wantonly, so as to bespatter and annoy a few, and to excite
the attention and surprise of many; but never to produce a conviction of
being just and true on any one.—Requiescat in pace.
ÆGROTUS.
—The explanation given by J. SANSOM of
the Devonian use of the term helling or heleing, signifying the roof
or covering of a church, corresponds to the Midland meaning of the word
hilling, s. bed-clothes or coverlet: "She has got no hilling at
all." Ger. Hüllen, to wrap one's self up; Saxon, hilan. In
Warwickshire used for the covers of a book: "It is the hilling which
makes it so expensive." Hilled, p. hilled up, i.e. covered with
bed-clothes. Leicestershire is particularly rich in quaint phrases and
proverbs.
In Leicestershire it is common for the wives of farmers to style their
husbands "the Master," and husbands to call their wives "Mamy;" and a
labourer will often distinguish his wife by the title of "the O'man."
There are people now living who remember the time when Goody and
Dame, "Gaffer" and "Gammer," were in vogue among the peasantry.
KT.
—I must leave you
to judge whether a reference to Howell's Familiar Letters is likely to
be new to your correspondent MR. J. G. NICHOLS, or of any service to him
in his inquiry on this subject. His note reminded me that Howell had
respectfully used the words "My Lord," and "Your Lordship," apparently
in the modern sense of "Your Excellency," in his letters to the Right
Hon. Sir Peter Wichts, and to the Right Hon. Sir Sackvill Crow,
ambassadors at Constantinople. See Howell's Familiar Letters, Part I.
Letters 115. 130.; Part II. Letters 18. 27.
C. FORBES.
Temple.
—J. F. F. may find
some information in Mr. Mason's description of the sketch in the 13th
vol. of the Transactions of the Royal Irish Academy.
R. H.
—I send you a
Note on the etymology of this word, which I do not see noticed by any of
your correspondents:
"When the New England Colonies were first settled, the
inhabitants were obliged to fight their way against many nations
of Indians. They found but little difficulty in subduing them all
except one tribe, who were known by the name of Yankoos, which
signifies invincible. After the waste of much blood and treasure,
the Yankoos were at last subdued by the New Englandmen. The
remains of this nation (agreeable to the Indian custom)
transferred their name to their conquerors. For a while they were
called Yankoos; but from a corruption, common to names in all
languages, they got through time the name of Yankee."—New York
Gazetteer, June 1, 1775.
R. H.
—The
correspondent who inquires about the Indian jugglers' trick of "growing
a mango," is referred to Blomfield's History of Norfork, vol. v. p.
155. (8vo edition), where he will find a curious song, called the
"Ballad of Ashwell Thorp," (said to be made in Sir Thomas Knevet's time,
who was Sheriff of Norfolk in 1579, and died about 1616), showing that a
similar trick was known in England at that time. An account is here
given of an acorn being sown in the middle of a hall, growing up in a
few minutes to a prodigious tree, bearing acorns, which ripened and
fell; and how, after the tree had been with much difficulty cut down by
two woodcutters, the trunk and fragments were finally carried away by
two goslings. The feat is said to have been performed by a Londoner. The
ballad-monger has perhaps improved a little upon the simple facts of the
case. He concludes by saying:
"This story is very true
Which I have told to you,
'Tis a wonder you didn't heare it.
I'll lay a pint of wine,
If Parker and old Hinde
Were alive, that they would swear it."
C. W. G.
—In quoting the note to Lord
Lindsay's Christian Art, extracted from MS. Collectanea of Sir David
Lindsay of the Mount, and illustrating a story of the Pelican, your
correspondent F. W. I. wishes for a translation of the word crabis,
which Sir David makes use of in describing the undutiful behaviour of
the young pelicans towards their paternal parent.
The old Scotch verb, crab, signified to tease, vex, annoy. As an
active verb it is now obsolete, but it is still in use, at least its
participles are in a passive sense. I have frequently heard crabbing
used to describe the state of mind of one out of humour or sulking.
Crabbed has long been an English word, and as such has its place in
Johnson's Dictionary. It is not in such common use to the south as it
is to the north of the Tweed; but from the Land's End to
John-o'-Groat's, it is used to designate a chronic form of the same
failing, which, in its temporary form, is described above as "crabbing."
It is, moreover, applied to man's works as well as to his temper. A
crabbed hand and a crabbed style of writing are expressions of
every-day use in Scotland, and are eminently descriptive of the effect
of such writing upon the temper of the reader.
W. A. C.
Ormsary.
—In Number 122. you
answer an inquiry of DIABOLUS GANDER, by stating your belief that the
enigma, "'Twas whisper'd in Heaven," &c., is by Lord Byron.
Although it was for some time attributed to this author, it became
subsequently well known to be the work of Miss Catherine Fanshawe, in
whose handwriting I have seen it, together with another unpublished
enigma of hers, in the album of a lady of my acquaintance.
E. H. Y.
—The
meaning which your correspondent wishes to give the word dividable
seems exactly the one wanted in this passage; but need we go so far from
its apparent derivation as to derive it from divitias, dare?—One of
the meanings of divido is to distribute,—why then should not
dividable mean distributive, distributing their riches, &c.?
C. T. A.
Lyndon Rectory, Uppingham.
—The article "Hermae," in
Smith's Antiquities, throws some light on this subject. The pillar set
up as a witness (see Genesis there quoted, and the Classics
passim)[5] is of course closely connected with the idea of sanctity
attached to it. The Laplanders in selecting the unhewn stone "in the
form in which it was shaped by the hand of the Creator Himself," seem,
to a certain extent, unwittingly to have obeyed a command of the
Creator: see Exodus, xx. 25.
A. A. D.
—I am afraid we are not likely
to obtain much additional information about John of Padua. The only
account of him which I have ever met with is contained in the Earl of
Orford's Works (vol. iii. p. 100. et seqq., edit. 1798). The warrant,
dated 1544, is there copied from Rymer's Fœdera?; and from an
expression which it contains, the inference is drawn that "John of Padua
was not only an architect, but musician." I am not aware whether or no
there is any other authority for such inference, but, if there is not, I
submit that the evidence is far from conclusive. The words in the
warrant run thus: A fee of two shillings per diem is granted to John,
"in consideratione boni et fidelis servitii quod dilectus serviens
noster Johannes de Padua nobis in architecture, ac aliis in re musica
inventis impendit ac impendere intendit."
Now, Sir, I submit that res musica, in this passage, is used in the
same sense as the Greek ἡ μουσικὴ for "the fine arts;" and
that the passage can have no reference to the art of the musician.
If John of Padua had been a musician, we should most probably meet with
his name in some of the accounts of plays and pageants during this
reign; and the silence of your correspondents seems to imply that no
information concerning him is to be obtained from those sources.
In the absence of further proof, then, I have no hesitation in proposing
to the critical readers of "N. & Q.," a resolution that, It is the
opinion of this council that there is no sufficient evidence that John
of Padua was a musician.
ERICA.
—Your correspondent L. H. J. T. says, at p. 209.:—
"That with the utmost deference to
SIR J. EMERSON TENNENT, he
must deny that Cos, Athens, or Constantinople have been called by
the Greeks Stanco, Satines, or Stamboul. These corruptions have
been made by Turks, Venetians, and Englishmen."
This mode of expression would imply that the opinion which he corrects
was held by me, whereas I have stated (Vol. v., p. 14.), even more
explicitly than he, that—
"The barbarism in question is to be charged less upon the modern
Greeks themselves, than upon the European nations, Sclavonians,
Normans, and Venetians, and, later still, the Turks; who seized
upon their country on the dismemberment of the Roman empire. The
Greeks themselves, no doubt, continued to spell their proper
names correctly; but their invaders, ignorant of their
orthography, and even of their letters, were forced to write the
names of places in characters of their own, guided solely by the
sound."
J. EMERSON TENNENT.
—Beocera-ig,
i.e. the bee-keeper's island, was one of the small islets adjacent to
the larger one, Avallon, whereon the Abbey of Glastonbury stood.
Glastonbury was early resorted to by Irish devotees; St. Patrick and St.
Bridget necessarily resided there. Concerning Beocherie or Bekery,
we are told that there "olim sancta Brigida perhendinavit" (MS. Ashmol.
790, quoted in the Monasticon, vol. i. p. 22.). This accounts for the
name Parva Hibernia. Beocera-gent, in charter 652, is the name of some
landmark or boundary. There can be little doubt that we should read
beocera-geat, i.e. bee-keeper's gate, as suggested by Mr. Kemble in
the preface to the third vol. of Codex Dipl. p. xxvi. The duties and
rights of the beocere, beo-ceorl, or bocherus, are described in
the "Rectitudines singularum personarum," Thorpe's Anc. Laws, vol. i.
p. 434.
C. W. G.
—Planché, in his History
of British Costume, says that during the reign of Henry VIII., "the
sleeves were ruffed, or ruffled at the hand, as we perceive in the
portrait of Henry. They were not added to the shirt till the next
century."
R. S. F.
Perth.
—As an instance of this title being applied (as Fuller has it)
"to persons very tall," I subjoin the following notice of a
death, which appeared in a newspaper of September, 1769:
"At London, Peter Branan, aged 104. He was six feet six inches
high, and was commonly called Long Meg of Westminster. He had
been a soldier from eighteen years of age."
This notice is extracted in the Edinburgh Antiquarian Magazine, but
without mentioning the quarter from which it was taken.
R. S. F.
Perth.
—To trace a family likeness for a
century is not at all uncommon. Any one who knows the face of the
present Duke of Manchester will see a strong likeness to his great
ancestor, through six generations, the Earl of Manchester of the
Commonwealth, as engraved in Lodge's Portraits. The following instance
is more remarkable. Elizabeth Hervey was Abbess of Elstow in 1501. From
her brother Thomas is descended, in a direct line, the present Marquis
of Bristol. If any one will lay the portrait of Lord Bristol, in Mr.
Gage Rokewode's Thingoe Hundred, by the side of the sepulchral brass
of the Abbess of Elstow, figured in Fisher's Bedfordshire Antiquities,
they cannot but be struck by the strong likeness between the two faces.
This is valuable evidence on the disputed point, whether portraits were
attempted in sepulchral brasses.
VOKAROS.
—In Ghent, in Flanders, there is
still to be seen a wrought-iron gun, a sister of Mons Meg, the famous
piece of artillery in Edinburgh Castle. She is named Dulle Griete, Mad
Margery, or Margaret, and may possible be the elder sister after whom
the rest of the family have been named.
NORTHMAN.
—A painted window representing the arms
of the Lytes, and the families with whom they intermarried for many
generations, is in the little church of Angersleigh, near Taunton.
E. M.
—The legend of H. C. K.'s medal
seems to me to be the following:—
"Hans Kravwinkle in Nuremberg"
(the name of the issuer of the token).
"Gottes Reich bleibt ewig [und understood] ewig?"
"The kingdom of God endures for ever and ever."
Possibly a tradesman's token.
G. H. K.
—Your several
correspondents whose able remarks have excited much interest with regard
to this very extraordinary individual, appear to have overlooked the
fact that a cabinet portrait by Rembrandt is to be seen in the
collection of the Marquess of Exeter at Burleigh; the age, costume, &c.,
corresponding exactly with the description given by Pennant, as quoted
by A. B. R.
KT.
—I find the two
following mentions of Pimlico as a public place of entertainment:
1. In A Joviall Crew, or the Merry Beggars, by R. Brome: first acted,
1641, at Drury Lane, edit. 1708:
"To Pimblicoe we'll go,
Where merry we shall be,
With every man a can in 's hand
And a wench upon his knee.
And a begging," &c.
2. Massinger's City Madam:
"Or exchange wenches,
Coming from eating pudding pies on a Sunday
At Pimlico or Islington."
G. H. K.
—This phrase is
evidently a quotation of 1 Cor. iv. 6., though not according to the
authorised translation, the words in the original being μὴ ὑπὲρ ὃ
γέγραπται φρονεῖν. Here,
however, the verb cannot mean "to be
wise," which is the meaning given to it in the phrase in question; for
the context requires it to be taken (as in our version) in the sense of
"elation of mind, to the despising of others."
The Query of R. C. C. reminds me of another phrase, which in a somewhat
similar way one hears continually quoted in sermons, &c., as a text:
viz. "that he that runs may read." I should like to know whether this
strange perversion of Hab. ii. 2., which seems to be the source whence
it is derived, can be accounted for in any way.
F. A.
—C. B. T. will find an account of
Sir John Cheke in Harwood's Alumni Etonenses, under the head of
"Provosts of King's College." I send also from an old MS. the following
account; not being responsible for its accuracy, nor for the correctness
of the references:
"Sir John Cheke put into the Provostship by Edward VI., April 1,
1548, though not qualified, as not of the Society, nor in orders.
See his Life by Strype; Fuller, Hist. Camb., 119.; Burnet,
ii. 115., who says that in consequence of the controversy with
Gardiner about the Gr. Pronuntiation he was either put from the
chair, or willingly left it. This was not the case. He did not
quit it till sent for by the King, as appears from the Life of
his successor, Nic. Carr, p. 59.; see, too, Wood Hist. and
Antiq., lib. i. p. 26. His mother stood godmother to the child
of a poor woman in Cambridge Gaol on suspicion of murder. (See
Latimer's First Serm. p. 125., edit. 1635; Burnet, ii. 213.;
Wood, Hist. and Antiq., I. ii. 251.; Burnet, ii. 51.,
and App. 150.; Fuller, 29. 127.; and Fox, Mart.; Burnet, ii.
155.; Burnet, ii. 8. 203.; Benefices conferred on Laymen,
Walker's Attempt, ii. 68.; Wood, Athen., i. 111.) Burnet and
Fuller's account of his retiring on the King's death do not
agree. For his works see Bale, and his Life, by Dr. Gerard
Langbaine, before a work of Cheke's, The True Subject to the
Rebel, or the Hurt of Sedition: Oxon, 1641, 4to. Haddon wrote
his epitaph. See Ascham's Letters: Oxon, 1703, p. 436., about
his recantation. See Leland's Cygnea Cantio, 1558, p. 21.; and
Preface to Hickes's Thesaurus, 1. 2."
J. H. L.
—H. C. K. will find in
the Conquest of Ireland, by Giraldus Cambrensis, my authority for
styling Richard Strongbow Earl of Chepstow: e.g. Dermod MacMurrough
addresses a letter to him as follows: "Dermon MacMorogh, prince of
Leinster, to Richard earle of Chepstoue, and son of Gilbert the Earle,
greeting," &c. I quote from Hooker's translation, ed. 1587, p. 11.
Hooker, in a note, p. 4., says that Chepstow in times past was named
Strigulia, "whereof Richard Strangbow being earle, he took his name,
being called Comes Strigulensis."
H. C. K.'s second conjecture, as to the parentage given to Earl
Richard in the Ormonde charter, seems to be the correct one. I cannot
call to mind an instance of a second Christian name used at so early a
date.
The first coat given to the De Clares, in Berry's Encycl., viz. ar.
on a chief az. three crosses pattée fichée of the field, occurs on the
shield of the effigy in Christ Church Cathedral, Dublin, popularly said
to be that of Richard Earl of Pembroke. Query, does Berry's statement
rest on the authority of that tradition? if so, it has a very sandy
foundation. I have very little doubt that the bearing visible on the
shield, as represented on the earl's seal attached to the charter in
possession of the Earl of Ormonde, is intended to represent three
chevrons.
H. C. K. has my best thanks for his communication. I shall be still more
obliged by an extract from the pedigree in his possession.
JAMES GRAVES.
Kilkenny.
—If your correspondent, who
inquires about maps of Africa, will consult the twenty-first map in
Spruner's Atlas Antiquus, published at Gotha in 1850, I think he will
find what he desires.
E. C. H.
—I have to thank you for inserting my memorandum
respecting my miniature of Oliver Cromwell. I must further trespass on
your kindness to correct an error (and a very inexcusable one) in my
last statement, to which the kindness of a friend has called my
attention.
Lady Diana Beauclerk was not, as I stated, a daughter of the Duke of St.
Alban's, but of the Duke of Marlborough (Charles, second duke), and
married the Hon. Topham Beauclerk, who was the friend of Dr. Johnson,
and a well-known personage in his day.
The miniature therefore may have been "long" either in her own family,
or in that of her husband; but I presume she meant in her own. The
Churchills were as much connected with the "Stuarts" as afterwards with
their successors. I regret this inattention on my part.
C. FOX.
—I was intimate some
time since with a gentleman who had been a student in Maynooth College,
and who frequently used to quote the words "Litera scripta manet," with
the addition, "Verbum imbelle perit." This may give a clue to the source
of the phrase, which may be found probably in some ecclesiastical or
theological work of days gone by.
A. L.
—The first passage
respecting which W. DN.
inquires ("Qui vult plenè," &c.) will be found
in the first chapter of the first book of Thomas à Kempis, De
Imitatione Christi.
L. M. M.
—In reply to S. S., the best
Catalogue of Engraved Portraits is one published by the late Mr. Edward
Evans, of Great Queen Street, Lincoln's Inn Fields, many years since;
and although the last number is 11,756, yet, as two and three portraits
are mentioned under the same figures, the total number noticed greatly
exceeds the above.
I believe a new edition is, or shortly will be, in the press.
J. B. WHITBORNE.