Lord John Townshend's Poetical Works (Vol. ii.,
p. 9.)—were never, I believe, collected, nor indeed
distinctly known, though they well deserve to be.
He told me himself that he wrote "Jekyl," in what
is called The Rolliad; and he mentioned some
other of his contributions; but I did not make a
note, and regret that I can say no more. Mr.
Rogers or Lord Lansdowne might.
C.
When Easter ends.—Mr. H. Edwards, in this
day's number (No. 31., p. 9.), asks when Easter ends.
I fancy this question is in some degree answered
by remarking, that it, together with other festivals
of the Church, viz. The Nativity, &c., are celebrated
for eight days, which is the octave. The
reason, says Wheatley, of its
"Being fixed to eight days, is taken from the practice
of the Jews, who, by God's appointment, observed
the greater festivals, some of them for seven days, and
one, the Feast of Tabernacles, for eight days. And
therefore the Primitive Christians lengthened out their
higher feast to eight days."
If this be true, Easter will end on the conclusion
of the Sunday after Easter day; but whether our
present Parliament is sufficiently Catholic to admit
this, in the interpretation of the Act, is questionable.
In the Spanish Church Easter continues till the
feast of Whitsuntide is past; and during this
period all fasts are forbidden.
The Romish Church has ten high festivals having
octaves.
I trust this slight sketch may in some way help
Mr. Edwards to a conclusion.
R. J. S.
When does Easter end? (Vol. ii., p. 9.).—In the
case stated, at 12 o'clock on the night of Easter
Sunday.
C.
Holdsworth and Fuller.—In A. B. R.'s communication
(Vol. i., p. 484.) some symptoms of inaccuracy
must be noted before a satisfactory reply
can be given to his Query.
1. He has erred in adopting the spelling of
Holdsworth's name (viz. Holsworth) which appears
in the title-page of The Valley of Vision.
2. This work is very incorrectly styled "the sermon,"
inasmuch as it consists of twenty-one
sermons. 3. My copy bears date 1661, not 1651.
4. If Holdsworth's hand was "legible only to himself,"
we may sincerely commiserate the misfortune
of his nephew, Dr. Richard Pearson, who
had to prepare for the press 737 folio pages of
his Prælectiones Theologicæ, &c.: Lond. 1661.
5. There is not the smallest reason for thinking
it "probable" that Dean Holdsworth "preached
other men's sermons." Respecting our great
Caroline divines it would seldom have been right
to say—
"Quos (Harpyiarum more)
Convectare juvat prædas, et vivere rapto."
Now, as to what Dr. Holdsworth really wrote,
and with regard to that for which he is not responsible,
it is to be observed, that he was so
averse to the publication of any of his works, that
he printed but a single sermon (on Psalm cxliv.
15.), and that not until he had been three times
urged to the task by his royal master King
Charles I. The pagination of this discourse is
quite distinct from that of the twenty unauthentic
sermons which follow it in the quarto volume, and
which commence at signature B. These are thus
described by Dr. Pearson, ad Lectorem: "Cæteræ
quæ prostant Anglicè venales, à prædone illo
stenographico tam laceræ et elumbes, tam miserè
deformatæ sunt, ut parum aut nihil agnoscas
genii et spiritûs Holdsworthiani."
R. G.
Gookin (Vol. i., pp. 385, 473, 492.).—Vincent
Gookin was nominated by Cromwell one of the
six representatives of Ireland in the Barebones
Parliament; and he was returned for Bandon and
Kinsale (which together sent one member) in
each of the three subsequent Cromwellian Parliaments.
Lord Orrery, writing to the Duke of Ormond,
June 15, 1666, speaks of Captain Robert Gooking,
as one of the chief persons in the west of Cork
county, and describes him as rich and having good
brains, loyal, and ready to fight against French or
Irish, as every thing he has depends on his new
title. (Orrery's State Letters, ii. p. 13. Dublin
edition.) A little further on (p. 43.), Lord
Orrery names the same Robert Gooking as recommended
by the chief gentlemen in the west
of Cork to be captain of a troop of horse in the
militia.
CH.
"Brozier" (Vol. i., p. 485.), "Sock," "Tick."—I
well remember the phrase, "brozier my dame," signifying
to "eat her out of house and home." I had
forgotten that a boy at Eton was "brozier,"
when he had spent all his pocket-money. As a
supplemental note, however, to Lord Braybrooke's
remarks upon this latter signification, I would remind
old Etonians of a request that would sometimes
slip out from one in a "broziered" state,
viz. that a schoolfellow would sock him, i.e. treat
him to sock at the pastrycook's; and this favour
was not unfrequently granted on tick, i.e. on credit
with the purveyor of sweets.
In reply to your noble correspondent's Query,
I beg to say that Halliwell, in his Dictionary of
Archaic and Provincial Words, both spells and defines
thus: "Brosier. A bankrupt. Chesh." Mr.
H. says no more; but this seems to decide that the
word does not exclusively belong to Eton. I
could have fancied that on such classic ground it
might possibly have sprung from βρώσκω, fut. -σω],
to devour.
Is sock only a corruption of suck, indicating a
lollipop origin? or what is its real etymological
root?
Richardson most satisfactorily says, that to "go
on tick" is to give a note or ticket instead of payment.
Alfred Gatty.
Ecclesfield, May 27. 1850.
This Eton phrase, the meaning of which is very
correctly explained Lord Braybrooke (Vol. i.,
p. 485.), appears to be connected with the Cheshire
provincialism, which is thus interpreted in Wilbraham's
Cheshire Glossary:—
"'Brosier, s. a bankrupt.' It is often used by boys
at play, when one of them has nothing further to stake."
The noun brosier, as Mr. Wilbraham indicates,
seems to be derived from the old word brose, or,
as we now say, bruise. A brosier would therefore
mean a broken-down man, and therefore a bankrupt.
The verb to brosier, as used at Eton, would
easily be formed from the substantive. In the
mediæval Latin, ruptura and ruptus were used to
signify bankruptcy and a bankrupt. See Duncange,
Gloss. in vv.
Etoniensis.
The word brozier, or (as I always heard it
pronounced) brosier, does not, or did not exclusively
belong to Eton. It was current at Hackney
School, an establishment formerly on the site of
the present Infant Orphan Asylum, and had the
precise meaning attributed to it by Lord Braybrooke.
It was used both as a verb and as a substantive,
but of its origin and etymology I am
ignorant. The last master of Hackney School
was the Rev. Dr. Heathcote, who died, I believe,
about 1820. The schoolhouse was a very large
and a very old building. May I take this opportunity
of asking if anything is known of its history?
There was a tradition prevalent among the
boys, that it had been an hospital in the time of
the Plague.
I recollect there was another singular word
current at Hackney, viz. "buckhorse," for a smart
box on the ear.
C. M.
[Buckhorse was a celebrated bruiser, whose name
has been preserved in this designation of a blow, in
the same way as that of his successor "Belcher" has
been in that of the peculiar style of silk handkerchief
which he always wore.]
Symbols of Four Evangelists.—Among the
several replies to Jartzberg's Query (Vol. i.,
p. 385.), I do not observe any notice of Sir T. Brown's
account of the symbols of the four Evangelists.
I will therefore copy part of a note I
have on the subject, though see it is unfortunately
without any other reference than the name
of the author.
After giving Jonathan's opinion of the four
principal or legionary standards among the Israelites,
Sir T. Brown adds:
"But Abenegra and others, besides the colours of
the field, do set down other charges,—in Reuben's, the
form of a man or mandrake,—in that of Judah, a lion,—in
Ephraim's, an ox; in Dan's, the figure of an eagle.
And thus, indeed, the four figures in the banners of the
principal squadrons of Israel are answerable unto the
Church in the vision of Ezekiel, every one carrying
the form of all these.... And conformable hereunto,
the pictures of the Evangelists (whose Gospels
are the Christian banners) are set forth with the addition
of a man or angel, an ox, a lion, and an eagle.
And these symbolically represent the office of angels
and ministers of God's will, in whom is required, understanding
as in a man, courage and vivacity as in a
lion, service and ministerial officiousness as in the ox,
expedition or celerity of execution as in the eagle."
J. Sansom.
Catacombs and Bone-houses (Vol. i. p. 171.).—Part
I. of a History of the Hundred of Rowell by
Paul Cypher (published by J. Ginns, Rowell,)
has recently fallen in my way, and as I understand
the writer is a medical gentleman residing
in the village (or town), I condense from the account
of the "Bone Caverns," p. 39-42., such
particulars as may answer the Query of Rev. A. Gatty.
The number of skeletons, as is asserted by those
who have taken the trouble to calculate, is 30,000.
The vault in which they are deposited is a long
cryptiform structure, with a low groined roof, and
the bones are carefully packed in alternate strata
of skulls, arms, legs, and so forth. They seem to
have been discovered by a gravedigger about 150
years since. Nothing is known with certainty
respecting the date of this vast collection. Some
conjecture that the remains here deposited are the
consequence of a sanguinary battle in very early
times, and profess to discover peculiarities in the
osseous structure, showing a large proportion of
the deceased to have been natives of a distant
land; that all were in the prime of life; and that
most of the skulls are fractured, as though with
deadly weapons. Others, again, say they are the
remains of the slain at Naseby.
"I have examined carefully and at leisure the crania,
and can discover none but the mesobreginate skulls
common to these islands.... I have discovered more
than one skull, in which the alveolar sockets were entirely
absorbed,—an effect of age rarely produced under
eighty years, I should imagine. And as to the marks
of injury visible on some, they will be attributed, I
think, by the impartial observer, rather to the spade
and foot of the sexton, than the battle-axe and stout
arm of the ancient Briton."
As to the supposition that these relics were
brought from Naseby, it is sufficient to observe
that the number of the slain in that engagement
did not exceed one thousand.
"That most of these bodies were lying in the earth
for a number of years is proved, I think, by these several
circumstances: First, a careful examination of the interior
of many of the skulls, shows that roots have vegetated
within them, the dry fibres of which I have often
observed; next, the teeth are nearly all absent, and it
is notoriously one of the first effects of inhumation upon
the osseous system, by which the teeth are loosened;
and lastly, we have two sources from which bodies may
have been exhumed and reinterred beneath the mother
church; and those are the Chapel of the Virgin and that
moiety of the original graveyard, which has evidently
at some long distant time, been taken from the church."
Human bones have been dug up in front of
Jesus Hospital, to the south-east of the church-yard.
At the eastern extremity of the cavern is
a rude sketch apparently intended to represent
the Resurrection.
Arun.
Tace Latin for a Candle (Vol. i., p. 385).—I
am not aware of "Tace is Latin for a candle"
in any earlier book than Swift's Polite Conversation;
but it must have been threadbare in his
time, or he would not have inserted it in that great
collection of platitudes:—
"Lord Smart. Well, but after all, Tom, can you tell
me what is Latin for a goose?
"Neverout. O, my Lord, I know that; why, Brandy
is Latin for a goose, and Tace is Latin for a candle."
H. B. C.
Members for Durham—why none prior to
1673-4 (Vol. ii., p. 8.).—Because Durham was an
episcopal palatine, which had jurisdictions, and
even, in olden times, a Parliament of its own.
Several bills were brought in between 1562 and
1673, to give M.P.'s to both county and city; but
an act was only passed in the latter year. The first
writ was moved, it is said, in 1675; but the first
return is dated in Whitworth, 1679. (Oldfield's
Parl. Hist., iii. 425.)
C.
"A Frog he would," &c.—I am in my sixth
decade, and pretty far on in it too; and I can recollect
this jingle as long as I can recollect anything.
It formed several stanzas (five or six at
least), and had its own tune. There was something
peculiarly attractive and humorous to the
unformed ear and mind in the ballad, (for as a
ballad it was sung,) as I was wont to hear it. I
can therefore personally vouch for its antiquity
being half a century. But, beyond this, I must
add, that my early days being spent in a remote
provincial village (high up the Severn), and the
ballad, as I shall call it, being universally known, I
cannot help inferring that it is of considerable
antiquity. Anything of then recent date could
hardly be both generally known and universally
popular in such a district and amongst such a
people. Whether it had a local origin there or
not, it would be difficult to say but I never heard
it spoken of as having any special application to
local persons or affairs. Of course there are only
two ways of accounting for its popularity,—either
its application, or its jingle of words and tune. If
I may venture a "guess," it would be, that it had
originally a political application, in some period
when all men's minds were turned to some one
great politico-religious question; and this, not unlikely,
the period of the Cavaliers and Roundheads.
We know how rife this kind of warfare was in that
great struggle. Or again, it might be as old as
the Reformation itself, and have a reference to
Henry the Eighth and Anna Boleyn.
"The frog he would a-wooing go,
Whether his mother would let him or no,"
would not inaptly represent the "wide-mouthed
waddling frog" Henry—"mother church,"—and
the "gleesome Anna" would be the "merry
mouse in the mill." It may be worth the while of
gentlemen conversant with the ballad literature
and political squibs of both the periods here indicated,
to notice any traces in other squibs and
ballads of the same imagery that is employed in
this. It would also be desirable, if possible, to get
a complete copy of these verses. My own memory
can only supply a part, or rather disjointed parts:
but I think it probable that it may be easily obtained
by persons resident in the counties bordering
on North Wales, especially in Shropshire or
Herefordshire, and perhaps in Cheshire or Staffordshire.
I should not have thought of troubling you with
my own reminiscences as an answer to an antiquarian
question, but for the fact that even these
go further back than any information that has been
sent you.
T. S. D.
Shooter's Hill, June 7.
Cavell (Vol. i., p. 473.).—To cast cavells,
i.e. to cast lots, is in constant every-day use in
Northumberland. The Teutonic derivation given
is correct.
W.
To endeavour Ourselves—The Homilies.—Perhaps
your correspondents G. P. (Vol. i., p 125.),
and C. I. R. (Vol. i., p. 285) may, from the following
passages, conclude that "ourselves", is the
object of the verb "endeavour."
"He did this to this intent, 'that the whole clergy,
in the mean space, might apply themselves to prayer,
not doubting but that all his loving subjects would
occupy themselves to God's honour, and so endeavour
themselves that they may be more ready,'" &c. &c.—Heylin,
Hist. of the Reform. from an Act passed in
Edward VI.'s Reign, 1548.
"Let us endeavour ourselves, both inwardly in our
hearts, and also outwardly with our bodies, diligently
to exercise this godly exercise of fasting."—Homily
on Fasting (end).
"Only show yourselves thankful in your lives, determine
with yourselves to refuse and avoid all such
things in your conversation as should offend his eyes of
mercy. Endeavour yourselves that way to rise up
again, which way ye fell into the well or pit of sin."—Hom.
on the Resur. (near the end).
"From henceforth let us endeavour ourselves to
walk in a new life."—Hom. of Repentance, Pt. 2. (end).
There are many other similar passages in the
"Homilies". I have also noticed the following
Latimer's Sermons:—
"The devil, with no less diligence, endeavoureth
himself to let and stop our prayers."—Vol. i. p. 829.
Parker Soc. edit.
"Every patron, when he doth not diligently endeavor
himself to place a good and godly man in his
benefice, shall make answer before God."—Vol. ii.
p. 28.
"Let them endeavour themselves." [I have forgotten
the reference in this case, but it is in vol. i.]
"How much, then, should we endeavour ourselves
to make ready towards this day, when it shall not be
a money matter, but a soul matter." (ii. p. 62)
As I am engaged on a work on the "Homilies,"
I should feel very grateful for any allusions to
them in writers between 1600 and 1650, and for
any notices of their being read in churches during
that period. Can any of your readers inform me
where the fullest account may be found of the
state of preaching in England prior to the Reformation?
Thomas Cox.
Preston, May 25. 1850.
Three Dukes (Vol. ii., p. 9.).—The verses themselves
called them "three bastard dukes;" but
the only bastard duke I can find at that time was
the Duke of Monmouth; all the other creations of
the king's bastards were subsequent to that date.
And even if, by poetical licence or courtly anticipation,
they could be called dukes, they were all
too young to have any share in such a fray. I
must further observe, that Evelyn's Diary is silent
as to any such events, though he is, about that
time, justly indignant at the immoralities of the
Court. The "park" referred to, but not named
in the verses, is the disreputable place called
"Whetstone Park," near Holborn.
C.
Christabel (Vol. i., p. 262.).—After a long hunt
among Manx and Highland superstitions, I have
just found that the passage I was in search of
belongs to "the Debateable Land."
"'Reverend father,' replied Magdalen, 'hast thou
never heard that there are spirits powerful to rend the
walls of a castle asunder when once admitted, which
yet cannot enter the house unless they are invited, nay,
dragged over the threshold? Twice hath Roland Grœme
been thus drawn into the household of Avenel by those
who now hold the title. Let them look to the issue.'"—The
Abbot, chap. 15., ad fin., and note.
C. Forbes.
Temple, April 15.
Derivation of "Trianon" (Vol. i., p. 439.; vol. ii.,
p. 13.).—Your correspondent Aredjid Kooes is
certainly right: Trianon was the name of a village,
which formerly stood on the site of these two
chateaux. (See Vatout, and all the histories of
Versailles.) I would take this occasion of suggesting,
that it is essential to the value of your work
that your correspondents should be careful not to
lead us astray by mere guesses. What authority
has your correspondent J. K. R. W. (Vol. ii., p. 13.)
for asserting that "trianon is a word meaning a
pavilion?" And if, as I believe, he has not the
slightest, I appeal to him whether it is fair to the
public to assert it so confidently.
C.