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CEPHALUS.
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GLAUCON.
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THRASYMACHUS.
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ADEIMANTUS.
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CLEITOPHON.
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POLEMARCHUS.
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And others who are mute auditors.
The scene is laid in the house of Cephalus at the Piraeus; and the whole
dialogue is narrated by Socrates the day after it actually took place to
Timaeus, Hermocrates, Critias, and a nameless person, who are introduced
in the Timaeus.
Ed. Steph.
327
Republic I.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
Meeting of Socrates and Glaucon with Polemarchus at the Bendidean festival. I went down yesterday to the Piraeus with Glaucon the son of Ariston, that
I might offer up my prayers to the goddess1; and also because I wanted to see in what manner they would
celebrate the festival, which was a new thing. I was delighted with the
procession of the inhabitants; but that of the Thracians was equally, if
not more, beautiful. BWhen we had finished our prayers and viewed the
spectacle, we turned in the direction of the city; and at that instant
Polemarchus the son of Cephalus chanced to catch sight of us from a
distance as we were starting on our way home, and told his servant to run
and bid us wait for him. The servant took hold of me by the cloak behind,
and said: Polemarchus desires you to wait.
I turned round, and asked him where his master was.
There he is, said the youth, coming after you, if you will only wait.
SOCRATES, POLEMARCHUS, GLAUCON, ADEIMANTUS, CEPHALUS.
CCertainly we will, said Glaucon; and in a few minutes Polemarchus
appeared, and with him Adeimantus, Glaucon’s brother, Niceratus the son of
Nicias, and several others who had been at the procession.
Polemarchus said to me: I perceive, Socrates, that you and your companion
are already on your way to the city.
You are not far wrong, I said.
But do you see, he rejoined, how many we are?
Of course.
And are you stronger than all these? for if not, you will have to remain
where you are.
May there not be the alternative, I said, that we may persuade you to let
us go?
But can you persuade us, if we refuse to listen to you? he said.
Certainly not, replied Glaucon.
Then we are not going to listen; of that you may be assured.
328The equestrian torch-race.Adeimantus added: Has no one told you of the torch-race on horseback in
honour of the goddess which will take place in the evening?
With horses! I replied: That is a novelty. Will horsemen carry torches and
pass them one to another during the race?
Yes, said Polemarchus, and not only so, but a festival will be celebrated
at night, which you certainly ought to see. Let us rise soon after supper
and see this festival; there will be a gathering of young men, and we will
have a good talk. BStay then, and do not be perverse.
Glaucon said: I suppose, since you insist, that we must.
Very good, I replied.
The gathering of friends at the house of Cephalus.
Accordingly we went with Polemarchus to his house; and there we found his
brothers Lysias and Euthydemus, and with them Thrasymachus the
Chalcedonian, Charmantides the Paeanian, and Cleitophon the son of
Aristonymus. There too was Cephalus the father of Polemarchus, whom I had
not seen for a long time, and I thought him very much aged. CHe was seated
on a cushioned chair, and had a garland on his head, for he had been
sacrificing in the court; and there were some other chairs in the room
arranged in a semicircle, upon which we sat down by him. He saluted me
eagerly, and then he said:—
CEPHALUS, SOCRATES.You don’t come to see me, Socrates, as often as you ought: If I were still
able to go and see you I would not ask you to come to me. But at my age I
can hardly get to the city, and therefore you should come oftener to the
Piraeus. DFor let me tell you, that the more the pleasures of the body fade
away, the greater to me is the pleasure and charm of conversation. Do not
then deny my request, but make our house your resort and keep company with
these young men; we are old friends, and you will be quite at home with
us.
I replied: There is nothing which for my part I like better, Cephalus,
than conversing with aged men; Efor I regard them as travellers who have
gone a journey which I too may have to go, and of whom I ought to enquire,
whether the way is smooth and easy, or rugged and difficult. And this is a
question which I should like to ask of you who have arrived at that time
which the poets call the ‘threshold of old age’—Is life harder
towards the end, or what report do you give of it?
329Old age is not to blame for the troubles of old men.
I will tell you, Socrates, he said, what my own feeling is. Men of my age
flock together; we are birds of a feather, as the old proverb says; and at
our meetings the tale of my acquaintance commonly is—I cannot eat, I
cannot drink; the pleasures of youth and love are fled away: there was a
good time once, but now that is gone, and life is no longer life. BSome
complain of the slights which are put upon them by relations, and they
will tell you sadly of how many evils their old age is the cause. But to
me, Socrates, these complainers seem to blame that which is not really in
fault. For if old age were the cause, I too being old, and every other old
man, would have felt as they do. But this is not my own experience, nor
that of others whom I have known. How well I remember the aged poet
Sophocles, when in answer to the question, CHow does love suit with age,
Sophocles,—are you still the man you were? The excellent saying of Sophocles.Peace, he replied; most
gladly have I escaped the thing of which you speak; I feel as if I had
escaped from a mad and furious master. His words have often occurred to my
mind since, and they seem as good to me now as at the time when he uttered
them. For certainly old age has a great sense of calm and freedom; when
the passions relax their hold, then, as Sophocles says,D we are freed from
the grasp not of one mad master only, but of many. The truth is, Socrates,
that these regrets, and also the complaints about relations, are to be
attributed to the same cause, which is not old age, but men’s characters
and tempers; for he who is of a calm and happy nature will hardly feel the
pressure of age, but to him who is of an opposite disposition youth and
age are equally a burden.
It is admitted
that the old, if they are to be comfortable, must have a fair share of
external goods; neither virtue alone nor riches alone can make an old
man happy.
I listened in admiration, and wanting to draw him out, that he might go on—EYes,
Cephalus, I said: but I rather suspect that people in general are not
convinced by you when you speak thus; they think that old age sits lightly
upon you, not because of your happy disposition, but because you are rich,
and wealth is well known to be a great comforter.
You are right, he replied; they are not convinced: and there is something
in what they say; not, however, so much as they imagine. I might answer
them as Themistocles answered the Seriphian who was abusing him and saying
that he was famous, not for his own merits but because he 330was an Athenian:
‘If you had been a native of my country or I of yours, neither of us would
have been famous.’ And to those who are not rich and are impatient of old
age, the same reply may be made; for to the good poor man old age cannot
be a light burden, nor can a bad rich man ever have peace with himself.
May I ask, Cephalus, whether your fortune was for the most part inherited
or acquired by you?
Cephalus has inherited rather than made a fortune; he is therefore indifferent to money.
Acquired! BSocrates; do you want to know how much I acquired? In the art of
making money I have been midway between my father and grandfather: for my
grandfather, whose name I bear, doubled and trebled the value of his
patrimony, that which he inherited being much what I possess now; but my
father Lysanias reduced the property below what it is at present: and I
shall be satisfied if I leave to these my sons not less but a little more
than I received.
That was why I asked you the question, I replied, because I see that you
are indifferent about money, Cwhich is a characteristic rather of those who
have inherited their fortunes than of those who have acquired them; the
makers of fortunes have a second love of money as a creation of their own,
resembling the affection of authors for their own poems, or of parents for
their children, besides that natural love of it for the sake of use and
profit which is common to them and all men. And hence they are very bad
company, for they can talk about nothing but the praises of wealth.
That is true, he said.
The advantages of wealth.
DYes, that is very true, but may I ask another question?—What do you
consider to be the greatest blessing which you have reaped from your
wealth?
The fear of death and the consciousness of sin become more vivid in old age; and to be rich frees a man from many temptations.
One, he said, of which I could not expect easily to convince others. For
let me tell you, Socrates, that when a man thinks himself to be near
death, fears and cares enter into his mind which he never had before; the
tales of a world below and the punishment which is exacted there of deeds
done here were once a laughing matter to him, Ebut now he is tormented with
the thought that they may be true: either from the weakness of age, or
because he is now drawing nearer to that other place, he has a clearer
view of these things; suspicions and alarms crowd thickly upon him, and he
begins to reflect and consider what wrongs he has done to others. And when
he finds that the sum of his transgressions is great he will many a time
like a child start up in his sleep for fear, and he is filled with dark
forebodings. But 331to him who is conscious of no sin, sweet hope, as Pindar
charmingly says, is the kind nurse of his age:
‘Hope,’ he says, ‘cherishes the soul of him who lives in justice and
holiness, and is the nurse of his age and the companion of his journey;—hope
which is mightiest to sway the restless soul of man.’
The admirable strain of Pindar.
How admirable are his words! And the great blessing of riches, BI do not
say to every man, but to a good man, is, that he has had no occasion to
deceive or to defraud others, either intentionally or unintentionally; and
when he departs to the world below he is not in any apprehension about
offerings due to the gods or debts which he owes to men. Now to this peace
of mind the possession of wealth greatly contributes; and therefore I say,
that, setting one thing against another, of the many advantages which
wealth has to give, to a man of sense this is in my opinion the greatest.
CEPHALUS, SOCRATES, POLEMARCHUS.
Justice to speak truth and pay your debts.
CWell said, Cephalus, I replied; but as concerning justice, what is it?—to
speak the truth and to pay your debts—no more than this? And even to
this are there not exceptions? Suppose that a friend when in his right
mind has deposited arms with me and he asks for them when he is not in his
right mind, ought I to give them back to him? No one would say that I
ought or that I should be right in doing so, any more than they would say
that I ought always to speak the truth to one who is in his condition.
DYou are quite right, he replied.
But then, I said, speaking the truth and paying your debts is not a
correct definition of justice.
This is the definition of Simonides. But you ought not on all occasions to do either. What then was his meaning?
Quite correct, Socrates, if Simonides is to be believed, said Polemarchus
interposing.
I fear, said Cephalus, that I must go now, for I have to look after the
sacrifices, and I hand over the argument to Polemarchus and the company.
Is not Polemarchus your heir? I said.
To be sure, he answered, and went away laughing to the sacrifices.
ETell me then, O thou heir of the argument, what did Simonides say, and
according to you truly say, about justice?
He said that the repayment of a debt is just, and in saying so he appears
to me to be right.
I should be sorry to doubt the word of such a wise and inspired man, but
his meaning, though probably clear to you, is the reverse of clear to me.
For he certainly does not mean, as we were just now saying, that I ought
to return a deposit of arms or of anything else to one who asks for it
332when he is not in his right senses; and yet a deposit cannot be denied to
be a debt.
True.
Then when the person who asks me is not in his right mind I am by no means
to make the return?
Certainly not.
When Simonides said that the repayment of a debt was justice, he did not
mean to include that case?
Certainly not; for he thinks that a friend ought always to do good to a
friend and never evil.
SOCRATES, POLEMARCHUS.
BYou mean that the return of a deposit of gold which is to the injury of
the receiver, if the two parties are friends, is not the repayment of a
debt,—that is what you would imagine him to say?
Yes.
And are enemies also to receive what we owe to them?
To be sure, he said, they are to receive what we owe them, and an enemy,
as I take it, owes to an enemy that which is due or proper to him—that
is to say, evil.
Simonides, then, after the manner of poets, would seem to have spoken
darkly of the nature of justice; Cfor he really meant to say that justice
is the giving to each man what is proper to him, and this he termed a
debt.
That must have been his meaning, he said.
By heaven! I replied; and if we asked him what due or proper thing is
given by medicine, and to whom, what answer do you think that he would
make to us?
He would surely reply that medicine gives drugs and meat and drink to
human bodies.
And what due or proper thing is given by cookery, and to what?
DSeasoning to food.
And what is that which justice gives, and to whom?
If, Socrates, we are to be guided at all by the analogy of the preceding
instances, then justice is the art which gives good to friends and evil to
enemies.
That is his meaning then?
I think so.
Illustrations.
And who is best able to do good to his friends and evil to his enemies in
time of sickness?
The physician.
EOr when they are on a voyage, amid the perils of the sea?
The pilot.
And in what sort of actions or with a view to what result is the just man
most able to do harm to his enemy and good to his friend?
In going to war against the one and in making alliances with the other.
But when a man is well, my dear Polemarchus, there is no need of a
physician?
No.
And he who is not on a voyage has no need of a pilot?
No.
Then in time of peace justice will be of no use?
I am very far from thinking so.
333You think that justice may be of use in peace as well as in war?
Yes.
Like husbandry for the acquisition of corn?
Yes.
Or like shoemaking for the acquisition of shoes,—that is what you
mean?
Yes.
And what similar use or power of acquisition has justice in time of peace?
Justice is useful in contracts,
In contracts, Socrates, justice is of use.
And by contracts you mean partnerships?
Exactly.
BBut is the just man or the skilful player a more useful and better partner
at a game of draughts?
The skilful player.
And in the laying of bricks and stones is the just man a more useful or
better partner than the builder?
Quite the reverse.
Then in what sort of partnership is the just man a better partner than the
harp-player, as in playing the harp the harp-player is certainly a better
partner than the just man?
In a money partnership.
Yes, Polemarchus, but surely not in the use of money; for you do not want
a just man to be your counsellor in the purchase or sale of a horse; a man
who is knowing about Chorses would be better for that, would he not?
Certainly.
And when you want to buy a ship, the shipwright or the pilot would be
better?
True.
Then what is that joint use of silver or gold in which the just man is to
be preferred?
especially in the safe-keeping of deposits.
When you want a deposit to be kept safely.
You mean when money is not wanted, but allowed to lie?
Precisely.
But not in the use of money: and if so, justice is only useful when money or anything else is useless.
That is to say, justice is useful when money is useless?
DThat is the inference.
And when you want to keep a pruning-hook safe, then justice is useful to
the individual and to the state; but when you want to use it, then the art
of the vine-dresser?
Clearly.
And when you want to keep a shield or a lyre, and not to use them, you
would say that justice is useful; but when you want to use them, then the
art of the soldier or of the musician?
Certainly.
And so of all other things;—justice is useful when they are useless,
and useless when they are useful?
That is the inference.
EThen justice is not good for much. But let us consider this further point:
Is not he who can best strike a blow in a boxing match or in any kind of
fighting best able to ward off a blow?
Certainly.
And he who is most skilful in preventing or escaping2 from a disease is
best able to create one?
True.
A new point of view: Is not he who is best able to do good best able to do evil?
And he is the best guard of a camp who is best able to 334steal a march upon
the enemy?
Certainly.
Then he who is a good keeper of anything is also a good thief?
That, I suppose, is to be inferred.
Then if the just man is good at keeping money, he is good at stealing it.
That is implied in the argument.
Then after all the just man has turned out to be a thief. And this is a
lesson which I suspect you must have learnt out of Homer; Bfor he, speaking
of Autolycus, the maternal grandfather of Odysseus, who is a favourite of
his, affirms that
‘He was excellent above all men in theft and perjury.’
And so, you and Homer and Simonides are agreed that justice is an art of
theft; to be practised however ‘for the good of friends and for the harm
of enemies,’—that was what you were saying?
No, certainly not that, though I do not now know what I did say; but I
still stand by the latter words.
CWell, there is another question: By friends and enemies do we mean those
who are so really, or only in seeming?
Justice an art of theft to be practised for the good of friends and the harm of enemies. But who are friends and enemies?
Surely, he said, a man may be expected to love those whom he thinks good,
and to hate those whom he thinks evil.
Yes, but do not persons often err about good and evil: many who are not
good seem to be so, and conversely?
That is true.
Then to them the good will be enemies and the evil will be their friends?
True.
And in that case they will be right in doing good to the evil and Devil to
the good?
Clearly.
But the good are just and would not do an injustice?
True.
Then according to your argument it is just to injure those who do no
wrong?
Nay, Socrates; the doctrine is immoral.
Then I suppose that we ought to do good to the just and harm to the
unjust?
I like that better.
Mistakes will sometimes happen.
But see the consequence:—Many a man who is ignorant of human nature
has friends who are bad friends, Eand in that case he ought to do harm to
them; and he has good enemies whom he ought to benefit; but, if so, we
shall be saying the very opposite of that which we affirmed to be the
meaning of Simonides.
Very true, he said: and I think that we had better correct an error into
which we seem to have fallen in the use of the words ‘friend’ and ‘enemy.’
What was the error, Polemarchus? I asked.
We assumed that he is a friend who seems to be or who is thought good.
Correction of the definition.
To appearance we
must add reality. He is a friend who ‘is’ as well as ‘seems’ good, And
we should do good to our good friends and harm to our bad enemies.
And how is the error to be corrected?
We should rather say that he is a friend who is, as well as seems, good;
335and that he who seems only, and is not good, only seems to be and is not a
friend; and of an enemy the same may be said.
You would argue that the good are our friends and the bad our enemies?
Yes.
And instead of saying simply as we did at first, that it is just to do
good to our friends and harm to our enemies, we should further say: It is
just to do good to our friends when they are good and harm to our enemies
when they are evil?
BYes, that appears to me to be the truth.
But ought the just to injure any one at all?
Undoubtedly he ought to injure those who are both wicked and his enemies.
To harm men is to injure them; and to injure them is to make them unjust. But justice cannot produce injustice.
When horses are injured, are they improved or deteriorated?
The latter.
Deteriorated, that is to say, in the good qualities of horses, not of
dogs?
Yes, of horses.
And dogs are deteriorated in the good qualities of dogs, and not of
horses?
Of course.
CAnd will not men who are injured be deteriorated in that which is the
proper virtue of man?
Certainly.
And that human virtue is justice?
To be sure.
Then men who are injured are of necessity made unjust?
That is the result.
Illustrations.
But can the musician by his art make men unmusical?
Certainly not.
Or the horseman by his art make them bad horsemen?
Impossible.
And can the just by justice make men unjust, or speaking Dgenerally, can
the good by virtue make them bad?
Assuredly not.
Any more than heat can produce cold?
It cannot.
Or drought moisture?
SOCRATES, POLEMARCHUS, THRASYMACHUS.
Clearly not.
Nor can the good harm any one?
Impossible.
And the just is the good?
Certainly.
Then to injure a friend or any one else is not the act of a just man, but
of the opposite, who is the unjust?
I think that what you say is quite true, Socrates.
EThen if a man says that justice consists in the repayment of debts, and
that good is the debt which a just man owes to his friends, and evil the
debt which he owes to his enemies,—to say this is not wise; for it
is not true, if, as has been clearly shown, the injuring of another can be
in no case just.
I agree with you, said Polemarchus.
The saying however explained is not to be attributed to any good or wise man.
Then you and I are prepared to take up arms against any one who attributes
such a saying to Simonides or Bias or Pittacus, or any other wise man or
seer?
I am quite ready to do battle at your side, he said.
336Shall I tell you whose I believe the saying to be?
Whose?
I believe that Periander or Perdiccas or Xerxes or Ismenias the Theban, or
some other rich and mighty man, who had a great opinion of his own power,
was the first to say that justice is ‘doing good to your friends and harm
to your enemies.’
Most true, he said.
Yes, I said; but if this definition of justice also breaks down, what
other can be offered?
The brutality of Thrasymachus.
BSeveral times in the course of the discussion Thrasymachus had made an
attempt to get the argument into his own hands, and had been put down by
the rest of the company, who wanted to hear the end. But when Polemarchus
and I had done speaking and there was a pause, he could no longer hold his
peace; and, gathering himself up, he came at us like a wild beast, seeking
to devour us. We were quite panic-stricken at the sight of him.
He roared out to the whole company: What folly, Socrates, has taken
possession of you all? CAnd why, sillybillies, do you knock under to one
another? I say that if you want really to know what justice is, you should
not only ask but SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS. answer, and you should not seek honour to yourself from
the refutation of an opponent, but have your own answer; for there is many
a one who can ask and cannot answer. DAnd now I will not have you say that
justice is duty or advantage or profit or gain or interest, for this sort
of nonsense will not do for me; I must have clearness and accuracy.
I was panic-stricken at his words, and could not look at him without
trembling. Indeed I believe that if I had not fixed my eye upon him, I
should have been struck dumb: but when I saw his fury rising, I looked at
him first, and was Etherefore able to reply to him.
Thrasymachus, I said, with a quiver, don’t be hard upon us. Polemarchus
and I may have been guilty of a little mistake in the argument, but I can
assure you that the error was not intentional. If we were seeking for a
piece of gold, you would not imagine that we were ‘knocking under to one
another,’ and so losing our chance of finding it. And why, when we are
seeking for justice, a thing more precious than many pieces of gold, do
you say that we are weakly yielding to one another and not doing our
utmost to get at the truth? Nay, my good friend, we are most willing and
anxious to do so, but the fact is that we cannot. And if so, you people
who know all things should pity us and not be angry with us.
337How characteristic of Socrates! he replied, with a bitter laugh;—that’s
your ironical style! Did I not foresee—have I not already told you,
that whatever he was asked he would refuse to answer, and try irony or any
other shuffle, in order that he might avoid answering?Socrates cannot give any answer if all true answers are excluded.
Thrasymachus is assailed with his own weapons.
You are a philosopher, Thrasymachus, I replied, and well know that if you
ask a person what numbers make up twelve, Btaking care to prohibit him whom
you ask from answering twice six, or three times four, or six times two,
or four times three, ‘for this sort of nonsense will not do for me,’—then
obviously, if that is your way of putting the question, no one can answer
you. But suppose that he were to retort, ‘Thrasymachus, what do you mean?
If one of these numbers which you interdict be the true answer to the
question, am I falsely to say some other number which is not the right
one?—is Cthat your meaning?’—How would you answer him?
Just as if the two cases were at all alike! he said. SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS, GLAUCON.
Why should they not be? I replied; and even if they are not, but only
appear to be so to the person who is asked, ought he not to say what he
thinks, whether you and I forbid him or not?
I presume then that you are going to make one of the interdicted answers?
I dare say that I may, notwithstanding the danger, if upon reflection I
approve of any of them.
DBut what if I give you an answer about justice other and better, he said,
than any of these? What do you deserve to have done to you?
Done to me!—as becomes the ignorant, I must learn from the wise—that
is what I deserve to have done to me.
The Sophist demands payment for his instructions. The company are very willing to contribute.
What, and no payment! a pleasant notion!
I will pay when I have the money, I replied.
But you have, Socrates, said Glaucon: and you, Thrasymachus, need be under
no anxiety about money, for we will all make a contribution for Socrates.
EYes, he replied, and then Socrates will do as he always does—refuse
to answer himself, but take and pull to pieces the answer of some one
else.
Socrates knows little or nothing: how can he answer? And he is deterred by the interdict of Thrasymachus.
Why, my good friend, I said, how can any one answer who knows, and says
that he knows, just nothing; and who, even if he has some faint notions of
his own, is told by a man of authority not to utter them? The natural
thing is, that 338the speaker should be some one like yourself who professes
to know and can tell what he knows. Will you then kindly answer, for the
edification of the company and of myself?
Glaucon and the rest of the company joined in my request, and
Thrasymachus, as any one might see, was in reality eager to speak; for he
thought that he had an excellent answer, and would distinguish himself.
But at first he affected to insist on my answering; at length he consented
to begin. BBehold, he said, the wisdom of Socrates; he refuses to teach
himself, and goes about learning of others, to whom he never even says
Thank you.
That I learn of others, I replied, is quite true; but that I am ungrateful
I wholly deny. Money I have none, and therefore I pay in praise, which is
all I have; and how ready SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS. I am to praise any one who appears to me to
speak well you will very soon find out when you answer; for I expect that
you will answer well.
The definition of Thrasymachus: ‘Justice is the interest of the stronger or ruler.’
CListen, then, he said; I proclaim that justice is nothing else than the
interest of the stronger. And now why do you not praise me? But of course
you won’t.
Let me first understand you, I replied. Justice, as you say, is the
interest of the stronger. What, Thrasymachus, is the meaning of this? You
cannot mean to say that because Polydamas, the pancratiast, is stronger
than we are, and finds the eating of beef conducive to his bodily
strength, that to Deat beef is therefore equally for our good who are
weaker than he is, and right and just for us?
That’s abominable of you, Socrates; you take the words in the sense which
is most damaging to the argument.
Not at all, my good sir, I said; I am trying to understand them; and I
wish that you would be a little clearer.
Well, he said, have you never heard that forms of government differ; there
are tyrannies, and there are democracies, and there are aristocracies?
Yes, I know.
And the government is the ruling power in each state?
Certainly.
Socrates compels Thrasymachus to explain his meaning.
EAnd the different forms of government make laws democratical,
aristocratical, tyrannical, with a view to their several interests; and
these laws, which are made by them for their own interests, are the
justice which they deliver to their subjects, and him who transgresses
them they punish as a breaker of the law, and unjust. And that is what I
mean when I say that in all states there is the same principle of justice,
which is the interest of the government; and 339as the government must be
supposed to have power, the only reasonable conclusion is, that everywhere
there is one principle of justice, which is the interest of the stronger.
Now I understand you, I said; and whether you are right or not I will try
to discover. But let me remark, that in defining justice you have yourself
used the word ‘interest’ which you forbade me to use. It is true, however,
that in your definition the words ‘of the stronger’ are added.
BA small addition, you must allow, he said.
Great or small, never mind about that: we must first enquire whether what
you are saying is the truth. Now we are both agreed that justice is
interest of some sort, but you go on to say ‘of the stronger’; about this
addition I am not so sure, and must therefore consider further.
Proceed.
He is dissatisfied with the explanation; for rulers may err.
I will; and first tell me, Do you admit that it is just for subjects to
obey their rulers?
I do.
CBut are the rulers of states absolutely infallible, or are they sometimes
liable to err?
To be sure, he replied, they are liable to err.
Then in making their laws they may sometimes make them rightly, and
sometimes not?
True.
When they make them rightly, they make them agreeably to their interest;
when they are mistaken, contrary to their interest; you admit that?
Yes.
And the laws which they make must be obeyed by their subjects,—and
that is what you call justice?
Doubtless.
And then the justice which makes a mistake will turn out to be the reverse of the interest of the stronger.
DThen justice, according to your argument, is not only obedience to the
interest of the stronger but the reverse?
What is that you are saying? he asked.
I am only repeating what you are saying, I believe. But let us consider:
Have we not admitted that the rulers may be mistaken about their own
interest in what they command, and also that to obey them is justice? Has
not that been admitted?
Yes.
EThen you must also have acknowledged justice not to be for the interest of
the stronger, when the rulers unintentionally command things to be done
which are to their own injury. For if, as you say, justice is the
obedience which the subject renders to their commands, in that case, O
wisest of men, is there any escape from the conclusion that the weaker are
commanded to do, not what is for the interest, but what is for the injury
of the stronger?
Nothing can be clearer, Socrates, said Polemarchus. SOCRATES, CLEITOPHON, POLEMARCHUS, THRASYMACHUS.
340Yes, said Cleitophon, interposing, if you are allowed to be his witness.
But there is no need of any witness, said Polemarchus, for Thrasymachus
himself acknowledges that rulers may sometimes command what is not for
their own interest, and that for subjects to obey them is justice.
Cleitophon tries to make a way of escape for Thrasymachus by inserting the words ‘thought to be.’
Yes, Polemarchus,—Thrasymachus said that for subjects to do what was
commanded by their rulers is just.
Yes, Cleitophon, but he also said that justice is the interest Bof the
stronger, and, while admitting both these propositions, he further
acknowledged that the stronger may command the weaker who are his subjects
to do what is not for his own interest; whence follows that justice is the
injury quite as much as the interest of the stronger.
But, said Cleitophon, he meant by the interest of the stronger what the
stronger thought to be his interest,—this was what the weaker had to
do; and this was affirmed by him to be justice.
Those were not his words, rejoined Polemarchus.
CNever mind, I replied, if he now says that they are, let us accept his
statement. Tell me, Thrasymachus, I said, did you mean by justice what the
stronger thought to be his interest, whether really so or not?This evasion is repudiated by Thrasymachus;
Certainly not, he said. Do you suppose that I call him who is mistaken the
stronger at the time when he is mistaken?
Yes, I said, my impression was that you did so, when you admitted that the
ruler was not infallible but might be sometimes mistaken.who adopts another line of defence: ‘No artist or ruler is ever mistaken qua artist or ruler.’
DYou argue like an informer, Socrates. Do you mean, for example, that he
who is mistaken about the sick is a physician in that he is mistaken? or
that he who errs in arithmetic or grammar is an arithmetician or
grammarian at the time when he is making the mistake, in respect of the
mistake? True, we say that the physician or arithmetician or grammarian
has made a mistake, but this is only a way of speaking; for the fact is
that neither the grammarian nor any other person of skill ever makes a
mistake in so far as he is what his name implies; they none of them err
unless their skill fails them, and then they cease to be skilled artists.
SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS. No artist or sage or ruler errs at the time when he is what his name
implies; though he is commonly said to err, and EI adopted the common mode
of speaking. But to be perfectly accurate, since you are such a lover of
accuracy, we should say that the ruler, in so far as he is a ruler, is
unerring, and, 341being unerring, always commands that which is for his own
interest; and the subject is required to execute his commands; and
therefore, as I said at first and now repeat, justice is the interest of
the stronger.
Indeed, Thrasymachus, and do I really appear to you to argue like an
informer?
Certainly, he replied.
And do you suppose that I ask these questions with any design of injuring
you in the argument?
Nay, he replied, ‘suppose’ is not the word—I know it; Bbut you will
be found out, and by sheer force of argument you will never prevail.
I shall not make the attempt, my dear man; but to avoid any
misunderstanding occurring between us in future, let me ask, in what sense
do you speak of a ruler or stronger whose interest, as you were saying, he
being the superior, it is just that the inferior should execute—is
he a ruler in the popular or in the strict sense of the term?
In the strictest of all senses, he said. And now cheat and play the
informer if you can; I ask no quarter at your hands. But you never will be
able, never.
The essential meaning of words distinguished from their attributes.
CAnd do you imagine, I said, that I am such a madman as to try and cheat,
Thrasymachus? I might as well shave a lion.
Why, he said, you made the attempt a minute ago, and you failed.
Enough, I said, of these civilities. It will be better that I should ask
you a question: Is the physician, taken in that strict sense of which you
are speaking, a healer of the sick or a maker of money? And remember that
I am now speaking of the true physician.
A healer of the sick, he replied.
And the pilot—that is to say, the true pilot—is he a captain
of sailors or a mere sailor?
A captain of sailors.
DThe circumstance that he sails in the ship is not to be taken into
account; neither is he to be called a sailor; the name pilot by which he
is distinguished has nothing to do with sailing, but is significant of his
skill and of his authority over the sailors.
Very true, he said.
Now, I said, every art has an interest?
Certainly.
For which the art has to consider and provide?
Yes, that is the aim of art.
And the interest of any art is the perfection of it—this and nothing
else?
EWhat do you mean?
I mean what I may illustrate negatively by the example of the body.
Suppose you were to ask me whether the body is self-sufficing or has
wants, I should reply: Certainly the body has wants; for the body may be
ill and require to be cured, and has therefore interests to which the art
of medicine ministers; and this is the origin and intention of medicine,
as you will acknowledge. Am I not right?
342Quite right, he replied.
Art has no imperfection to be corrected, and therefore no extraneous interest.
But is the art of medicine or any other art faulty or deficient in any
quality in the same way that the eye may be deficient in sight or the ear
fail of hearing, and therefore requires another art to provide for the
interests of seeing and hearing—has art in itself, I say, any
similar liability to fault or defect, and does every art require another
supplementary art to provide for its interests, and that another and
another without end? Or have the arts to look only Bafter their own
interests? Or have they no need either of themselves or of another?—having
no faults or defects, they have no need to correct them, either by the
exercise of their own art or of any other; they have only to consider the
interest of their subject-matter. For every art remains pure and faultless
while remaining true—that is to say, while perfect and unimpaired.
Take the words in your precise sense, and tell me whether I am not right.
Yes, clearly.
Illustrations.
CThen medicine does not consider the interest of medicine, but the interest
of the body?
True, he said.
Nor does the art of horsemanship consider the interests of the art of
horsemanship, but the interests of the horse; neither do any other arts
care for themselves, for they have no needs; they care only for that which
is the subject of their art?
True, he said.
But surely, Thrasymachus, the arts are the superiors and rulers of their
own subjects?
To this he assented with a good deal of reluctance.
Then, I said, no science or art considers or enjoins the interest of the
stronger or superior, but only the interest of the Dsubject and weaker?
He made an attempt to contest this proposition also, but finally
acquiesced.
Then, I continued, no physician, in so far as he is a physician, considers
his own good in what he prescribes, but the good of his patient; for the
true physician is also a ruler having the human body as a subject, and is
not a mere money-maker; that has been admitted?
Yes.
And the pilot likewise, in the strict sense of the term, is a ruler of
sailors and not a mere sailor?
EThat has been admitted.
And such a pilot and ruler will provide and prescribe for the interest of
the sailor who is under him, and not for his own or the ruler’s interest?
He gave a reluctant ‘Yes.’
The disinterestedness of rulers.
Then, I said, Thrasymachus, there is no one in any rule who, in so far as
he is a ruler, considers or enjoins what is for his own interest, but
always what is for the interest of his subject or suitable to his art; to
that he looks, and that alone he considers in everything which he says and
does.
343When we had got to this point in the argument, and every one saw that the
definition of justice had been completely upset, Thrasymachus, instead of
replying to me, said: Tell me, Socrates, have you got a nurse?
The impudence of Thrasymachus.
Why do you ask such a question, I said, when you ought rather to be
answering?
Because she leaves you to snivel, and never wipes your nose: she has not
even taught you to know the shepherd from the sheep.
What makes you say that? I replied.
Thrasymachus dilates upon the advantages of injustice,
BBecause you fancy that the shepherd or neatherd fattens or tends the sheep
or oxen with a view to their own good and not to the good of himself or
his master; and you further imagine that the rulers of states, if they are
true rulers, never think of their subjects as sheep, and that they are not
studying their own advantage day and night. Oh, no; Cand so entirely astray
are you in your ideas about the just and unjust as not even to know that
justice and the just are in reality another’s good; that is to say, the
interest of the ruler and stronger, and the loss of the subject and
servant; and injustice the opposite; for the unjust is lord over the truly
simple and just: he is the stronger, and his subjects do what is for his
interest, and minister to his Dhappiness, which is very far from being
their own. Consider further, most foolish Socrates, that the just is
always a loser in comparison with the unjust. First of all, in private
contracts: wherever the unjust is the partner of the just you will find
that, when the partnership is dissolved, the unjust man has always more
and the just less. Secondly, in their dealings with the State: when there
is an income-tax, the just man will pay more and the unjust less on the
same amount of income; and when there is anything to be Ereceived the one
gains nothing and the other much. especially when pursued on a great scale.Observe also what happens when they take
an office; there is the just man neglecting his affairs and perhaps
suffering other losses, and getting nothing out of the public, because he
is just; moreover he is hated by his friends and acquaintance for refusing
to serve them in unlawful ways. But all this is reversed in the case of
the unjust man. I am speaking, as before, 344of injustice on a large scale in
which the advantage of the unjust is most apparent; and my meaning will be
most clearly seen if we turn to that highest form of injustice in which
the criminal is the happiest of men, and the sufferers or those who refuse
to do injustice are the most miserable—that is to say tyranny, Tyranny.which
by fraud and force takes away the property of others, not little by little
but wholesale; comprehending in one, things sacred as well as profane,
Bprivate and public; for which acts of wrong, if he were detected
perpetrating any one of them singly, he would be punished and incur great
disgrace—they who do such wrong in particular cases are called
robbers of temples, and man-stealers and burglars and swindlers and
thieves. But when a man besides taking away the money of the citizens has
made slaves of them, then, instead of these names of reproach, he Cis
termed happy and blessed, not only by the citizens but by all who hear of
his having achieved the consummation of injustice. For mankind censure
injustice, fearing that they may be the victims of it and not because they
shrink from committing it. And thus, as I have shown, Socrates, injustice,
when on a sufficient scale, has more strength and freedom and mastery than
justice; and, as I said at first, justice is the interest of the stronger,
whereas injustice is a man’s own profit and interest.
Thrasymachus having made his speech wants to run away, but is detained by the company.
DThrasymachus, when he had thus spoken, having, like a bath-man, deluged
our ears with his words, had a mind to go away. But the company would not
let him; they insisted that he should remain and defend his position; and
I myself added my own humble request that he would not leave us.
Thrasymachus, I said to him, excellent man, how suggestive are your
remarks! And are you going to run away before you have fairly taught or
learned whether they are true or not? EIs the attempt to determine the way
of man’s life so small a matter in your eyes—to determine how life
may be passed by each one of us to the greatest advantage?
And do I differ from you, he said, as to the importance of the enquiry?
You appear rather, I replied, to have no care or thought about us,
Thrasymachus—whether we live better or worse from not knowing what
you say you know, is to you a matter of indifference. 345Prithee, friend, do
not keep your knowledge to yourself; we are a large party; and any benefit
which you confer upon us will be amply rewarded. For my own part I openly
declare that I am not convinced, and that I do not believe injustice to be
more gainful than justice, even if uncontrolled and allowed to have free
play. For, granting that there may be an unjust man who is able to commit
injustice either by fraud or force, still this does not convince me of the
superior advantage of injustice, and there may be others who are in the
same predicament with myself. Perhaps we may be wrong; Bif so, you in your
wisdom should convince us that we are mistaken in preferring justice to
injustice.
The swagger of Thrasymachus.
And how am I to convince you, he said, if you are not already convinced by
what I have just said; what more can I do for you? Would you have me put
the proof bodily into your souls?
Heaven forbid! I said; I would only ask you to be consistent; or, if you
change, change openly and let there be no deception. For I must remark,
Thrasymachus, if you will Crecall what was previously said, that although
you began by defining the true physician in an exact sense, you did not
observe a like exactness when speaking of the shepherd; you thought that
the shepherd as a shepherd tends the sheep not with a view to their own
good, but like a mere diner or banquetter with a view to the pleasures of
the table; or, again, as a trader for sale in the market, and not as a
shepherd. DYet surely the art of the shepherd is concerned only with the
good of his subjects; he has only to provide the best for them, since the
perfection of the art is already ensured whenever all the requirements of
it are satisfied. And that was what I was saying just now about the ruler.
I conceived that the art of the ruler, considered as ruler, whether in a
Estate or in private life, could only regard the good of his flock or
subjects; whereas you seem to think that the rulers in states, that is to
say, the true rulers, like being in authority.
Think! Nay, I am sure of it.
Then why in the case of lesser offices do men never take them willingly
without payment, unless under the idea that 346they govern for the advantage
not of themselves but of others? The arts have different functions and are not to be confounded with the art of payment which is common to them all.Let me ask you a question: Are not the
several arts different, by reason of their each having a separate
function? And, my dear illustrious friend, do say what you think, that we
may make a little progress.
Yes, that is the difference, he replied.
And each art gives us a particular good and not merely a general one—medicine,
for example, gives us health; navigation, safety at sea, and so on?
Yes, he said.
BAnd the art of payment has the special function of giving pay: but we do
not confuse this with other arts, any more than the art of the pilot is to
be confused with the art of medicine, because the health of the pilot may
be improved by a sea voyage. You would not be inclined to say, would you,
that navigation is the art of medicine, at least if we are to adopt your
exact use of language?
Certainly not.
Or because a man is in good health when he receives pay you would not say
that the art of payment is medicine?
I should not.
Nor would you say that medicine is the art of receiving pay because a man
takes fees when he is engaged in healing?
CCertainly not.
And we have admitted, I said, that the good of each art is specially
confined to the art?
Yes.
Then, if there be any good which all artists have in common, that is to be
attributed to something of which they all have the common use?
True, he replied.
And when the artist is benefited by receiving pay the advantage is gained
by an additional use of the art of pay, which is not the art professed by
him?
He gave a reluctant assent to this.
DThen the pay is not derived by the several artists from their respective
arts. But the truth is, that while the art of medicine gives health, and
the art of the builder builds a house, another art attends them which is
the art of pay. The various arts may be doing their own business and
benefiting that over which they preside, but would the artist receive any
benefit from his art unless he were paid as well?
I suppose not.
EBut does he therefore confer no benefit when he works for nothing?
Certainly, he confers a benefit.
The true ruler or artist seeks, not his own advantage, but the perfection of his art; and therefore he must be paid.
Then now, Thrasymachus, there is no longer any doubt that neither arts nor
governments provide for their own interests; but, as we were before
saying, they rule and provide for the interests of their subjects who are
the weaker and not the stronger—to their good they attend and not to
the good of the superior. And this is the reason, my dear Thrasymachus,
why, as I was just now saying, no one is willing to govern; because no one
likes to take in hand the reformation of evils which are not his concern
without remuneration. 347For, in the execution of his work, and in giving his
orders to another, the true artist does not regard his own interest, but
always that of his subjects; and therefore in order that rulers may be
willing to rule, they must be paid in one of three modes of payment,
money, or honour, or a penalty for refusing.
Three modes of paying rulers, money, honour, and a penalty for refusing to rule.
What do you mean, Socrates? said Glaucon. The first two modes of payment
are intelligible enough, but what the penalty is I do not understand, or
how a penalty can be a payment.
You mean that you do not understand the nature of this Bpayment which to
the best men is the great inducement to rule? Of course you know that
ambition and avarice are held to be, as indeed they are, a disgrace?
Very true.
And for this reason, I said, money and honour have no attraction for them;
good men do not wish to be openly demanding payment for governing and so
to get the name of hirelings, nor by secretly helping themselves out of
the public revenues to get the name of thieves. And not being ambitious
they do not care about honour. Wherefore necessity Cmust be laid upon them,
and they must be induced to serve from the fear of punishment. The penalty is the evil of being ruled by an inferior.And this,
as I imagine, is the reason why the forwardness to take office, instead of
waiting to be compelled, has been deemed dishonourable. Now the worst part
of the punishment is that he who refuses to rule is liable to be ruled by
one who is worse than himself. And the fear of this, as I conceive,
induces the good to take Doffice, not because they would, but because they
cannot help—not under the idea that they are going to have any
benefit or enjoyment themselves,In a city composed wholly of good men there would be a great unwillingness to rule. but as a necessity, and because they are
not able to commit the task of ruling to any one who is better than
themselves, or indeed as good. For there is reason to think that if a city
were composed entirely of good men, then to avoid office would be as much
an object of contention as to obtain office is at present; then we should
have plain proof that the true ruler is not meant by nature to regard his
own interest, but that of his subjects; and every one who knew this would
choose rather to receive a benefit from another than to have the trouble
of conferring one. ESo far am I from agreeing with Thrasymachus that
justice is the interest of the stronger.Thrasymachus maintains that the life of the unjust is better than the life of the just. This latter question need not be
further discussed at present; but when Thrasymachus says that the life of
the unjust is more advantageous than that of the just, his new statement
appears to me to be of a far more serious character. Which of us has
spoken truly? And which sort of life, Glaucon, do you prefer?
I for my part deem the life of the just to be the more advantageous, he
answered.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON, THRASYMACHUS.
348Did you hear all the advantages of the unjust which Thrasymachus was
rehearsing?
Yes, I heard him, he replied, but he has not convinced me.
Then shall we try to find some way of convincing him, if we can, that he
is saying what is not true?
Most certainly, he replied.
If, I said, he makes a set speech and we make another recounting all the
advantages of being just, and he answers and we rejoin, there must be a
numbering and measuring Bof the goods which are claimed on either side, and
in the end we shall want judges to decide; but if we proceed in our
enquiry as we lately did, by making admissions to one another, we shall
unite the offices of judge and advocate in our own persons.
Very good, he said.
And which method do I understand you to prefer? I said.
That which you propose.
Well, then, Thrasymachus, I said, suppose you begin at the beginning and
answer me. You say that perfect injustice is more gainful than perfect
justice?
CYes, that is what I say, and I have given you my reasons.
And what is your view about them? Would you call one of them virtue and
the other vice?
Certainly.
A paradox still more extreme, that injustice is virtue,
I suppose that you would call justice virtue and injustice vice?
What a charming notion! So likely too, seeing that I affirm injustice to
be profitable and justice not.
What else then would you say?
SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS.
The opposite, he replied.
And would you call justice vice?
No, I would rather say sublime simplicity.
DThen would you call injustice malignity?
No; I would rather say discretion.
And do the unjust appear to you to be wise and good?
Yes, he said; at any rate those of them who are able to be perfectly
unjust, and who have the power of subduing states and nations; but perhaps
you imagine me to be talking of cutpurses. Even this profession if
undetected has advantages, though they are not to be compared with those
of which I was just now speaking.
EI do not think that I misapprehend your meaning, Thrasymachus, I replied;
but still I cannot hear without amazement that you class injustice with
wisdom and virtue, and justice with the opposite.
Certainly I do so class them.
Now, I said, you are on more substantial and almost unanswerable ground;
for if the injustice which you were maintaining to be profitable had been
admitted by you as by others to be vice and deformity, an answer might
have been given to you on received principles; but now I perceive that 349you
will call injustice honourable and strong, and to the unjust you will
attribute all the qualities which were attributed by us before to the
just, seeing that you do not hesitate to rank injustice with wisdom and
virtue.
You have guessed most infallibly, he replied.
Then I certainly ought not to shrink from going through with the argument
so long as I have reason to think that you, Thrasymachus, are speaking
your real mind; for I do believe that you are now in earnest and are not
amusing yourself at our expense.
I may be in earnest or not, but what is that to you?—to refute the
argument is your business.
refuted by the analogy of the arts.
BVery true, I said; that is what I have to do: But will you be so good as
answer yet one more question? Does the just man try to gain any advantage
over the just?
Far otherwise; if he did he would not be the simple amusing creature which
he is.
And would he try to go beyond just action?
He would not.
And how would he regard the attempt to gain an advantage over the unjust;
would that be considered by him as just or unjust?
The just tries to obtain an advantage over the unjust, but not over the just; the unjust over both just and unjust.
He would think it just, and would try to gain the advantage; but he would
not be able.
Whether he would or would not be able, I said, is not to the point. CMy
question is only whether the just man, while refusing to have more than
another just man, would wish and claim to have more than the unjust?
Yes, he would.
And what of the unjust—does he claim to have more than the just man
and to do more than is just?
Of course, he said, for he claims to have more than all men.
And the unjust man will strive and struggle to obtain more than the unjust
man or action, in order that he may have more than all?
True.
We may put the matter thus, I said—the just does not desire more
than his like but more than his unlike, whereas the unjust desires more
than both his like and his unlike?
DNothing, he said, can be better than that statement.
And the unjust is good and wise, and the just is neither?
Good again, he said.
And is not the unjust like the wise and good and the just unlike them?
Of course, he said, he who is of a certain nature, is like those who are
of a certain nature; he who is not, not.
Each of them, I said, is such as his like is?
Certainly, he replied.
Illustrations.
Very good, Thrasymachus, I said; and now to take the case of the arts: you
would admit that one man is a musician and Eanother not a musician?
Yes.
And which is wise and which is foolish?
Clearly the musician is wise, and he who is not a musician is foolish.
And he is good in as far as he is wise, and bad in as far as he is
foolish?
Yes.
And you would say the same sort of thing of the physician?
Yes.
And do you think, my excellent friend, that a musician when he adjusts the
lyre would desire or claim to exceed or go beyond a musician in the
tightening and loosening the strings?
I do not think that he would.
But he would claim to exceed the non-musician?
Of course.
350And what would you say of the physician? In prescribing meats and drinks
would he wish to go beyond another physician or beyond the practice of
medicine?
He would not.
But he would wish to go beyond the non-physician?
Yes.
The artist remains within the limits of his art:
And about knowledge and ignorance in general; see whether you think that
any man who has knowledge ever would wish to have the choice of saying or
doing more than another man who has knowledge. Would he not rather say or
do the same as his like in the same case?
That, I suppose, can hardly be denied.
And what of the ignorant? would he not desire to have Bmore than either the
knowing or the ignorant?
I dare say.
And the knowing is wise?
Yes.
And the wise is good?
True.
Then the wise and good will not desire to gain more than his like, but
more than his unlike and opposite?
I suppose so.
Whereas the bad and ignorant will desire to gain more than both?
Yes.
But did we not say, Thrasymachus, that the unjust goes beyond both his
like and unlike? Were not these your words?
They were.
and similarly the just man does not exceed the limits of other just men.
CAnd you also said that the just will not go beyond his like but his
unlike?
Yes.
Then the just is like the wise and good, and the unjust like the evil and
ignorant?
That is the inference.
And each of them is such as his like is?
That was admitted.
Then the just has turned out to be wise and good and the unjust evil and
ignorant.
Thrasymachus perspiring and even blushing.
Thrasymachus made all these admissions, not fluently, as DI repeat them,
but with extreme reluctance; it was a hot summer’s day, and the
perspiration poured from him in torrents; and then I saw what I had never
seen before, Thrasymachus blushing. As we were now agreed that justice was
virtue and wisdom, and injustice vice and ignorance, I proceeded to
another point:
Well, I said, Thrasymachus, that matter is now settled; but were we not
also saying that injustice had strength; do you remember?
Yes, I remember, he said, but do not suppose that I approve of what you
are saying or have no answer; if however I were to answer, you would be
quite certain to accuse me of haranguing; Etherefore either permit me to
have my say out, or if you would rather ask, do so, and I will answer
‘Very good,’ as they say to story-telling old women, and will nod ‘Yes’
and ‘No.’
Certainly not, I said, if contrary to your real opinion.
Yes, he said, I will, to please you, since you will not let me speak. What
else would you have?
Nothing in the world, I said; and if you are so disposed I will ask and
you shall answer.
Proceed.
Then I will repeat the question which I asked before, in 351order that our
examination of the relative nature of justice and injustice may be carried
on regularly. A statement was made that injustice is stronger and more
powerful than justice, but now justice, having been identified with wisdom
and virtue, is easily shown to be stronger than injustice, if injustice is
ignorance; this can no longer be questioned by any one. But I want to view
the matter, Thrasymachus, in a different way: BYou would not deny that a
state may be unjust and may be unjustly attempting to enslave other
states, or may have already enslaved them, and may be holding many of them
in subjection?
True, he replied; and I will add that the best and most perfectly unjust
state will be most likely to do so.
I know, I said, that such was your position; but what I would further
consider is, whether this power which is possessed by the superior state
can exist or be exercised without justice or only with justice.
At this point the temper of Thrasymachus begins to improve. Cp. 5. 450 A, 6. 498 C.
CIf you are right in your view, and justice is wisdom, then only with
justice; but if I am right, then without justice.
I am delighted, Thrasymachus, to see you not only nodding assent and
dissent, but making answers which are quite excellent.
That is out of civility to you, he replied.
You are very kind, I said; and would you have the goodness also to inform
me, whether you think that a state, or an army, or a band of robbers and
thieves, or any other gang of evil-doers could act at all if they injured
one another?
DNo indeed, he said, they could not.
But if they abstained from injuring one another, then they might act
together better?
Yes.
And this is because injustice creates divisions and hatreds and fighting,
and justice imparts harmony and friendship; is not that true,
Thrasymachus?
Perfect injustice, whether in state or individuals, is destructive to them.
I agree, he said, because I do not wish to quarrel with you.
How good of you, I said; but I should like to know also whether injustice,
having this tendency to arouse hatred, wherever existing, among slaves or
among freemen, will not make them hate one another and set them at
variance and render them incapable of common action?
Certainly.
EAnd even if injustice be found in two only, will they not quarrel and
fight, and become enemies to one another and to the just?
They will.
And suppose injustice abiding in a single person, would your wisdom say
that she loses or that she retains her natural power?
Let us assume that she retains her power.
Yet is not the power which injustice exercises of such a nature that
wherever she takes up her abode, whether in a city, in an army, in a
family, or in any other body, that body is, 352to begin with, rendered
incapable of united action by reason of sedition and distraction; and does
it not become its own enemy and at variance with all that opposes it, and
with the just? Is not this the case?
Yes, certainly.
And is not injustice equally fatal when existing in a single person; in
the first place rendering him incapable of action because he is not at
unity with himself, and in the second place making him an enemy to himself
and the just? Is not that true, Thrasymachus?
Yes.
And O my friend, I said, surely the gods are just?
Granted that they are.
BBut if so, the unjust will be the enemy of the gods, and the just will be
their friend?
Feast away in triumph, and take your fill of the argument; I will not
oppose you, lest I should displease the company.
Recapitulation.
Well then, proceed with your answers, and let me have the remainder of my
repast. For we have already shown that the just are clearly wiser and
better and abler than the unjust, and that the unjust are incapable of
common action; Cnay more, that to speak as we did of men who are evil
acting at any time vigorously together, is not strictly true, for if they
had been perfectly evil, they would have laid hands upon one another; but
it is evident that there must have been some remnant of justice in them,
which enabled them to combine; if there had not been they would have
injured one another as well as their victims; they were but half-villains
in their enterprises; for had they been whole villains, and utterly
unjust, they would have been utterly incapable of action. DThat, as I
believe, is the truth of the matter, and not what you said at first. But
whether the just have a better and happier life than the unjust is a
further question which we also proposed to consider. I think that they
have, and for the reasons which I have given; but still I should like to
examine further, for no light matter is at stake, nothing less than the
rule of human life.
Proceed.
Illustrations of ends and excellences preparatory to the enquiry into the end and excellence of the soul.
I will proceed by asking a question: Would you not say that a horse has
some end?
EI should.
And the end or use of a horse or of anything would be that which could not
be accomplished, or not so well accomplished, by any other thing?
I do not understand, he said.
Let me explain: Can you see, except with the eye?
Certainly not.
Or hear, except with the ear?
No.
These then may be truly said to be the ends of these organs?
They may.
353But you can cut off a vine-branch with a dagger or with a chisel, and in
many other ways?
Of course.
And yet not so well as with a pruning-hook made for the purpose?
True.
May we not say that this is the end of a pruning-hook?
We may.
Then now I think you will have no difficulty in understanding my meaning
when I asked the question whether the end of anything would be that which
could not be accomplished, or not so well accomplished, by any other
thing?
BI understand your meaning, he said, and assent.
All things which have ends have also virtues and excellences by which they fulfil those ends.
And that to which an end is appointed has also an excellence? Need I ask
again whether the eye has an end?
It has.
And has not the eye an excellence?
Yes.
And the ear has an end and an excellence also?
True.
And the same is true of all other things; they have each of them an end
and a special excellence?
That is so.
Well, and can the eyes fulfil their end if they are wanting Cin their own
proper excellence and have a defect instead?
How can they, he said, if they are blind and cannot see?
You mean to say, if they have lost their proper excellence, which is
sight; but I have not arrived at that point yet. I would rather ask the
question more generally, and only enquire whether the things which fulfil
their ends fulfil them by their own proper excellence, and fail of
fulfilling them by their own defect?
Certainly, he replied.
I might say the same of the ears; when deprived of their own proper
excellence they cannot fulfil their end?
True.
DAnd the same observation will apply to all other things?
I agree.
And the soul has a virtue and an end—the virtue justice, the end happiness.
Well; and has not the soul an end which nothing else can fulfil? for
example, to superintend and command and deliberate and the like. Are not
these functions proper to the soul, and can they rightly be assigned to
any other?
To no other.
And is not life to be reckoned among the ends of the soul?
Assuredly, he said.
And has not the soul an excellence also?
Yes.
EAnd can she or can she not fulfil her own ends when deprived of that
excellence?
She cannot.
Then an evil soul must necessarily be an evil ruler and superintendent,
and the good soul a good ruler?
Yes, necessarily.
Hence justice and happiness are necessarily connected.
And we have admitted that justice is the excellence of the soul, and
injustice the defect of the soul?
That has been admitted.
Then the just soul and the just man will live well, and the unjust man
will live ill?
That is what your argument proves.
354And he who lives well is blessed and happy, and he who lives ill the
reverse of happy?
Certainly.
Then the just is happy, and the unjust miserable?
So be it.
But happiness and not misery is profitable.
Of course.
Then, my blessed Thrasymachus, injustice can never be more profitable than
justice.
Let this, Socrates, he said, be your entertainment at the Bendidea.
Socrates is displeased with himself and with the argument.
For which I am indebted to you, I said, now that you have grown gentle
towards me and have left off scolding. Nevertheless, BI have not been well
entertained; but that was my own fault and not yours. As an epicure
snatches a taste of every dish which is successively brought to table, he
not having allowed himself time to enjoy the one before, so have I gone
from one subject to another without having discovered what I sought at
first, the nature of justice. I left that enquiry and turned away to
consider whether justice is virtue and wisdom or evil and folly; and when
there arose a further question about the comparative advantages of justice
and injustice, I could not refrain from passing on to that. And the result
of the whole discussion has been that I know nothing at all. CFor I know
not what justice is, and therefore I am not likely to know whether it is
or is not a virtue, nor can I say whether the just man is happy or
unhappy.
Steph.
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SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
WITH these words I was thinking that I had made an end of the discussion;
but the end, in truth, proved to be only a beginning. For Glaucon, who is
always the most pugnacious of men, was dissatisfied at Thrasymachus’
retirement; he wanted to have the battle out. So he said to me: Socrates,
do you wish really to persuade us, or only to seem Bto have persuaded us,
that to be just is always better than to be unjust?
I should wish really to persuade you, I replied, if I could.
The threefold division of goods.
Then you certainly have not succeeded. Let me ask you now:—How would
you arrange goods—are there not some which we welcome for their own
sakes, and independently of their consequences, as, for example, harmless
pleasures and enjoyments, which delight us at the time, although nothing
follows from them?
I agree in thinking that there is such a class, I replied.
CIs there not also a second class of goods, such as knowledge, sight,
health, which are desirable not only in themselves, but also for their
results?
Certainly, I said.
And would you not recognize a third class, such as gymnastic, and the care
of the sick, and the physician’s art; also the various ways of
money-making—these do us good but we regard them as disagreeable;
and no one would choose them Dfor their own sakes, but only for the sake of
some reward or result which flows from them?
There is, I said, this third class also. But why do you ask?
Because I want to know in which of the three classes you would place
justice?
358In the highest class, I replied,—among those goods which he who
would be happy desires both for their own sake and for the sake of their
results.
Then the many are of another mind; they think that justice is to be
reckoned in the troublesome class, among goods which are to be pursued for
the sake of rewards and of reputation, but in themselves are disagreeable
and rather to be avoided.
I know, I said, that this is their manner of thinking, and that this was
the thesis which Thrasymachus was maintaining just now, when he censured
justice and praised injustice. But I am too stupid to be convinced by him.
Three heads of the
argument:—1. The nature of justice: 2. Justice a necessity, but not a
good: 3. The reasonableness of this notion.
BI wish, he said, that you would hear me as well as him, and then I shall
see whether you and I agree. For Thrasymachus seems to me, like a snake,
to have been charmed by your voice sooner than he ought to have been; but
to my mind the nature of justice and injustice have not yet been made
clear. Setting aside their rewards and results, I want to know what they
are in themselves, and how they inwardly work in the soul. If you please,
then, I will revive the argument of Thrasymachus. CAnd first I will speak
of the nature and origin of justice according to the common view of them.
Secondly, I will show that all men who practise justice do so against
their will, of necessity, but not as a good. And thirdly, I will argue
that there is reason in this view, for the life of the unjust is after all
better far than the life of the just—if what they say is true,
Socrates, since I myself am not of their opinion. But still I acknowledge
that I am perplexed when I hear the voices of Thrasymachus and myriads of
others dinning in my ears; and, on the other hand, I have Dnever yet heard
the superiority of justice to injustice maintained by any one in a
satisfactory way. I want to hear justice praised in respect of itself;
then I shall be satisfied, and you are the person from whom I think that I
am most likely to hear this; and therefore I will praise the unjust life
to the utmost of my power, and my manner of speaking will indicate the
manner in which I desire to hear you too praising justice and censuring
injustice. Will you say whether you approve of my proposal?
Indeed I do; nor can I imagine any theme about which a man of sense would
oftener wish to converse. GLAUCON.
EI am delighted, he replied, to hear you say so, and shall begin by
speaking, as I proposed, of the nature and origin of justice.
Justice a compromise between doing and suffering evil.
They say that to do injustice is, by nature, good; to suffer injustice,
evil; but that the evil is greater than the good. And so when men have
both done and suffered injustice and 359have had experience of both, not
being able to avoid the one and obtain the other, they think that they had
better agree among themselves to have neither; hence there arise laws and
mutual covenants; and that which is ordained by law is termed by them
lawful and just. This they affirm to be the origin and nature of justice;—it
is a mean or compromise, between the best of all, which is to do injustice
and not be punished, and the worst of all, which is to suffer injustice
without the power of retaliation; and justice, being at a middle point
between the two, is tolerated not as a good, but as the lesser evil, and
honoured by reason of the inability of men to do injustice. BFor no man who
is worthy to be called a man would ever submit to such an agreement if he
were able to resist; he would be mad if he did. Such is the received
account, Socrates, of the nature and origin of justice.
Now that those who practise justice do so involuntarily and because they
have not the power to be unjust will best appear Cif we imagine something
of this kind: having given both to the just and the unjust power to do
what they will, let us watch and see whither desire will lead them; then
we shall discover in the very act the just and unjust man to be proceeding
along the same road, following their interest, which all natures deem to
be their good, and are only diverted into the path of justice by the force
of law. The liberty which we are supposing may be most completely given to
them in the form of such a power as is said to have been Dpossessed by
Gyges, the ancestor of Croesus the Lydian1. The story of Gyges.According to the tradition,
Gyges was a shepherd in the service of the king of Lydia; there was a
great storm, and an earthquake made an opening in the earth at the place
where he was feeding his flock. Amazed at the sight, he descended into the
opening, where, among other marvels, he beheld a hollow brazen horse,
having doors, at which he stooping and looking in saw a dead body of
stature, as appeared to him, more than human, and having nothing on but a
gold ring; Ethis he took from the finger of the dead and reascended. Now
the shepherds met together, according to custom, that they might send
their monthly report about the flocks to the king; into their assembly he
came having the ring on his finger, and as he was sitting among them he
chanced to turn the collet of the ring inside his hand, when instantly he
became invisible to the rest of the company and they began to speak of him
as if he were no longer present. 360He was astonished at this, and again
touching the ring he turned the collet outwards and reappeared; he made
several trials of the ring, and always with the same result—when he
turned the collet inwards he became invisible, when outwards he
reappeared. Whereupon he contrived to be chosen one of the messengers who
were sent to the court; where as soon as he arrived Bhe seduced the queen,
and with her help conspired against the king and slew him, and took the
kingdom. The application of the story of Gyges.Suppose now that there were two such magic rings, and the just
put on one of them and the unjust the other; no man can be imagined to be
of such an iron nature that he would stand fast in justice. No man would
keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he
Cliked out of the market, or go into houses and lie with any one at his
pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all
respects be like a God among men. Then the actions of the just would be as
the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to the same point.
And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man is just, not
willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him
individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can
safely be unjust, there he is unjust. For Dall men believe in their hearts
that injustice is far more profitable to the individual than justice, and
he who argues as I have been supposing, will say that they are right. If
you could imagine any one obtaining this power of becoming invisible, and
never doing any wrong or touching what was another’s, he would be thought
by the lookers-on to be a most wretched idiot, although they would praise
him to one another’s faces, and keep up appearances with one another from
a fear that they too might suffer injustice. Enough of this.
ENow, if we are to form a real judgment of the life of the just and unjust,
we must isolate them; there is no other way; and how is the isolation to
be effected? I answer: Let the unjust man be entirely unjust, and the just
man entirely just; nothing is to be taken away from either of them, and
both are to be perfectly furnished for the work of their respective lives.
The unjust to be clothed with power and reputation.First, let the unjust be like other distinguished masters of craft; like
the skilful pilot or 361physician, who knows intuitively his own powers and
keeps within their limits, and who, if he fails at any point, is able to
recover himself. So let the unjust make his unjust attempts in the right
way, and lie hidden if he means to be great in his injustice: (he who is
found out is nobody:) for the highest reach of injustice is, to be deemed
just when you are not. Therefore I say that in the perfectly unjust man we
must assume the most perfect injustice; there is to be no deduction, but
we must allow him, while doing the most unjust acts, Bto have acquired the
greatest reputation for justice. If he have taken a false step he must be
able to recover himself; he must be one who can speak with effect, if any
of his deeds come to light, and who can force his way where force is
required by his courage and strength, and command of money and friends.
And at his side let us place the just man in his nobleness and simplicity,
wishing, as Aeschylus says, to be and not to seem good. The just to be unclothed of all but his virtue.There must be no
seeming, Cfor if he seem to be just he will be honoured and rewarded, and
then we shall not know whether he is just for the sake of justice or for
the sake of honours and rewards; therefore, let him be clothed in justice
only, and have no other covering; and he must be imagined in a state of
life the opposite of the former. Let him be the best of men, and let him
be thought the worst; then he will have been put to the proof; and we
shall see whether he will be affected by the fear of infamy and its
consequences. And let him continue Dthus to the hour of death; being just
and seeming to be unjust. When both have reached the uttermost extreme,
the one of justice and the other of injustice, let judgment be given which
of them is the happier of the two.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
Heavens! my dear Glaucon, I said, how energetically you polish them up for
the decision, first one and then the other, as if they were two statues.
I do my best, he said. And now that we know what they are like there is no
difficulty in tracing out the sort of life Ewhich awaits either of them.
This I will proceed to describe; but as you may think the description a
little too coarse, I ask you to suppose, Socrates, that the words which
follow are not mine.—Let me put them into the mouths of the
eulogists of injustice: They will tell you that the just man who is
thought unjust will be scourged, racked, bound—will have his eyes
burnt out; and, at last, after suffering every kind of evil, he will be
impaled: Then he will understand that he 362ought to seem only, and not to
be, just;The just man will learn by each experience that he ought to seem and not to be just. the words of Aeschylus may be more truly spoken of the unjust
than of the just. For the unjust is pursuing a reality; he does not live
with a view to appearances—he wants to be really unjust and not to
seem only:—
‘His mind has a soil deep and fertile,
BOut of which spring his prudent
counsels.’2
In the first place, he is thought just, and therefore bears rule in the
city; he can marry whom he will, and give in marriage to whom he will;
The unjust who appears just will attain every sort of prosperity.also he can trade and deal where he likes, and always to his own
advantage, because he has no misgivings about injustice; and at every
contest, whether in public or private, he gets the better of his
antagonists, and gains at their expense, and is rich, and out of his gains
he Ccan benefit his friends, and harm his enemies; moreover, he can offer
sacrifices, and dedicate gifts to the gods abundantly and magnificently,
and can honour the gods or any man whom he wants to honour in a far better
style than the just, and therefore he is likely to be dearer than they are
to the gods. And thus, Socrates, gods and men are said to unite in making
the life of the unjust better than the life of the just.
ADEIMANTUS, SOCRATES.
DI was going to say something in answer to Glaucon, when Adeimantus, his
brother, interposed: Socrates, he said, you do not suppose that there is
nothing more to be urged?
Why, what else is there? I answered.
The strongest point of all has not been even mentioned, he replied.
Well, then, according to the proverb, ‘Let brother help brother’—if
he fails in any part do you assist him; although I must confess that
Glaucon has already said quite enough to lay me in the dust, and take from
me the power of helping justice.
ADEIMANTUS.
Adeimantus takes up the argument. Justice is praised and injustice blamed, but only out of regard to their consequences.ENonsense, he replied. But let me add something more: There is another
side to Glaucon’s argument about the praise and censure of justice
and injustice, which is equally required in order to bring out what I
believe to be his meaning. Parents and tutors are always telling their
sons and their 363wards that they are to be just; but why? not for the sake
of justice, but for the sake of character and reputation; in the hope of
obtaining for him who is reputed just some of those offices, marriages,
and the like which Glaucon has enumerated among the advantages accruing
to the unjust from the reputation of justice. More, however, is made of
appearances by this class of persons than by the others; for they
throw in the good opinion of the gods, and will tell you of a shower of
benefits which the heavens, as they say, rain upon the pious; and this
accords with the testimony of the noble Hesiod and Homer, the first of
whom says, that the gods Bmake the oaks of the just—
‘To bear acorns at their summit, and bees in the middle;
And the sheep are bowed down with the weight of their fleeces3,’
and many other blessings of a like kind are provided for them. And Homer
has a very similar strain; for he speaks of one whose fame is—
‘As the fame of some blameless king who, like a god,
Maintains justice; to whom the black earth brings forth
CWheat and barley, whose trees are bowed with fruit,
And his sheep never fail to bear, and the sea gives him fish4.’
The rewards and punishments of another life.Still grander are the gifts of heaven which Musaeus and his son5 vouchsafe
to the just; they take them down into the world below, where they have the
saints lying on couches at a feast, everlastingly drunk, crowned with
garlands; their Didea seems to be that an immortality of drunkenness is the
highest meed of virtue. Some extend their rewards yet further; the
posterity, as they say, of the faithful and just shall survive to the
third and fourth generation. This is the style in which they praise
justice. But about the wicked there is another strain; they bury them in a
slough in Hades, and make them carry water in a sieve; also while they are
yet living they bring them to infamy, and inflict Eupon them the
punishments which Glaucon described as the portion of the just who are
reputed to be unjust; nothing else does their invention supply. Such is
their manner of praising the one and censuring the other.
Men are always repeating that virtue is painful and vice pleasant.
Once more, Socrates, I will ask you to consider another way of speaking
about justice and injustice, which is not confined to the poets, 364but is
found in prose writers. The universal voice of mankind is always declaring
that justice and virtue are honourable, but grievous and toilsome; and
that the pleasures of vice and injustice are easy of attainment, and are
only censured by law and opinion. They say also that honesty is for the
most part less profitable than dishonesty; and they are quite ready to
call wicked men happy, and to honour them both in public and private when
they are rich or in any other way influential, while they despise and
overlook Bthose who may be weak and poor, even though acknowledging them to
be better than the others. But most extraordinary of all is their mode of
speaking about virtue and the gods: they say that the gods apportion
calamity and misery to many good men, and good and happiness to the
wicked. And mendicant prophets go to rich men’s doors and persuade them
that they have a power committed to them by the gods of making an
atonement for a man’s own or his ancestor’s Csins by sacrifices or charms,
with rejoicings and feasts; and they promise to harm an enemy, whether
just or unjust, at a small cost; with magic arts and incantations binding
heaven, as they say, to execute their will. And the poets are the
authorities to whom they appeal, now smoothing the path of vice with the
words of Hesiod;—
‘Vice may be had in abundance without trouble; Dthe way is smooth and her
dwelling-place is near. But before virtue the gods have set toil6,’
and a tedious and uphill road: then citing Homer as a witness that the
gods may be influenced by men; for he also says:—
‘The gods, too, may be turned from their purpose; and men pray to them and
avert their wrath by sacrifices and Esoothing entreaties, and by libations
and the odour of fat, when they have sinned and transgressed7.’
They are taught that sins may be easily expiated.
And they produce a host of books written by Musaeus and Orpheus, who were
children of the Moon and the Muses—that is what they say—according
to which they perform their ritual, and persuade not only individuals, but
whole cities, that expiations and atonements for sin may be made by
sacrifices and amusements which fill a vacant hour, and are equally at the
service of the living and the dead; the latter 365sort they call mysteries,
and they redeem us from the pains of hell, but if we neglect them no one
knows what awaits us.
The effects of all this upon the youthful mind.
He proceeded: And now when the young hear all this said about virtue and
vice, and the way in which gods and men regard them, how are their minds
likely to be affected, my dear Socrates,—those of them, I mean, who
are quickwitted, and, like bees on the wing, light on every flower, and
from all that they hear are prone to draw conclusions as to what manner of
persons they should be and in what way they Bshould walk if they would make
the best of life? Probably the youth will say to himself in the words of
Pindar—
‘Can I by justice or by crooked ways of deceit ascend a loftier tower
which may be a fortress to me all my days?’
For what men say is that, if I am really just and am not also thought just
profit there is none, but the pain and loss on the other hand are
unmistakeable. But if, though unjust, I acquire the reputation of justice,
a heavenly life is promised to me. CSince then, as philosophers prove,
appearance tyrannizes over truth and is lord of happiness, to appearance I
must devote myself. I will describe around me a picture and shadow of
virtue to be the vestibule and exterior of my house; behind I will trail
the subtle and crafty fox, as Archilochus, greatest of sages, recommends.
But I hear some one exclaiming that the concealment of wickedness is often
difficult; Dto which I answer, Nothing great is easy. Nevertheless, the
argument indicates this, if we would be happy, to be the path along which
we should proceed. With a view to concealment we will establish secret
brotherhoods and political clubs. And there are professors of rhetoric who
teach the art of persuading courts and assemblies; and so, partly by
persuasion and partly by force, I shall make unlawful gains and not be
punished. Still I hear a voice saying that the gods cannot be deceived,
neither can they be compelled. But what if there are no gods? or, suppose
them to have no care of human things—why in either case Eshould we
mind about concealment? The existence of
the gods is only known to us through the poets, who likewise assure us
that they may be bribed and that they are very ready to forgive.And even if there are gods, and they do care about
us, yet we know of them only from tradition and the genealogies of the
poets; and these are the very persons who say that they may be influenced
and turned by ‘sacrifices and soothing entreaties and by offerings.’ Let
us be consistent then, and believe both or neither. If the poets speak
truly, why then we had better 366be unjust, and offer of the fruits of
injustice; for if we are just, although we may escape the vengeance of
heaven, we shall lose the gains of injustice; but, if we are unjust, we
shall keep the gains, and by our sinning and praying, and praying and
sinning, the gods will be propitiated, and we shall not be punished. ‘But
there is a world below in which either we or our posterity will suffer for
our unjust deeds.’ Yes, my friend, will be the reflection, but there are
mysteries and atoning deities, and these have great power. That is Bwhat
mighty cities declare; and the children of the gods, who were their poets
and prophets, bear a like testimony.
On what principle, then, shall we any longer choose justice rather than
the worst injustice? when, if we only unite the latter with a deceitful
regard to appearances, we shall fare to our mind both with gods and men,
in life and after death, as the most numerous and the highest authorities
tell us. CKnowing all this, Socrates, how can a man who has any superiority
of mind or person or rank or wealth, be willing to honour justice; or
indeed to refrain from laughing when he hears justice praised? All this, even if not absolutely true, affords great excuse for doing wrong.And even if
there should be some one who is able to disprove the truth of my words,
and who is satisfied that justice is best, still he is not angry with the
unjust, but is very ready to forgive them, because he also Dknows that men
are not just of their own free will; unless, peradventure, there be some
one whom the divinity within him may have inspired with a hatred of
injustice, or who has attained knowledge of the truth—but no other
man. He only blames injustice who, owing to cowardice or age or some
weakness, has not the power of being unjust. And this is proved by the
fact that when he obtains the power, he immediately becomes unjust as far
as he can be.
The cause of all this, Socrates, was indicated by us at the beginning of
the argument, when my brother and I told you how astonished we were to
find that of all the professing Epanegyrists of justice—beginning
with the ancient heroes of whom any memorial has been preserved to us, and
ending with the men of our own time—no one has ever blamed injustice
or praised justice except with a view to the glories, honours, and
benefits which flow from them. No one has ever adequately described either
in verse or prose the true essential nature of either of them abiding in
the soul, and invisible to any human or divine eye; or shown that of all
the things of a man’s soul which he has within him, justice is 367the
greatest good, and injustice the greatest evil. Men should be taught that justice is in itself the greatest good and injustice the greatest evil.Had this been the
universal strain, had you sought to persuade us of this from our youth
upwards, we should not have been on the watch to keep one another from
doing wrong, but every one would have been his own watchman, because
afraid, if he did wrong, of harbouring in himself the greatest of evils. I
dare say that Thrasymachus and others would seriously hold the language
which I have been merely repeating, and words even stronger than these
about justice and injustice, grossly, as I conceive, perverting their true
nature. But I speak in this Bvehement manner, as I must frankly confess to
you, because I want to hear from you the opposite side; and I would ask
you to show not only the superiority which justice has over injustice, but
what effect they have on the possessor of them which makes the one to be a
good and the other an evil to him. And please, as Glaucon requested of
you, to exclude reputations; for unless you take away from each of them
his true reputation and add on the false, we shall say that you do not
praise justice, but the appearance of it; Cwe shall think that you are only
exhorting us to keep injustice dark, and that you really agree with
Thrasymachus in thinking that justice is another’s good and the interest
of the stronger, and that injustice is a man’s own profit and interest,
though injurious to the weaker. Now as you have admitted that justice is
one of that highest class of goods which are desired indeed for their
results, but in a far greater Ddegree for their own sakes—like sight
or hearing or knowledge or health, or any other real and natural and not
merely conventional good—I would ask you in your praise of justice
to regard one point only: I mean the essential good and evil which justice
and injustice work in the possessors of them. Let others praise justice
and censure injustice, magnifying the rewards and honours of the one and
abusing the other; that is a manner of arguing which, coming from them, I
am ready to tolerate, but from you who have spent your whole life in the
consideration of this question, unless I hear the Econtrary from your own
lips, I expect something better. And therefore, I say, not only prove to
us that justice is better than injustice, but show what they either of
them do to the possessor of them, which makes the one to be a good and the
other an evil, whether seen or unseen by gods and men.
ADEIMANTUS, SOCRATES.
I had always admired the genius of Glaucon and Adeimantus, but on hearing
these words I was quite delighted, and said: 368Sons of an illustrious
father, that was not a bad beginning of the Elegiac verses which the
admirer of Glaucon made in honour of you after you had distinguished
yourselves at the battle of Megara:—
‘Sons of Ariston,’ he sang, ‘divine offspring of an illustrious hero.’
Glaucon and Adeimantus able to argue so well, but unconvinced by their own arguments.
The epithet is very appropriate, for there is something truly divine in
being able to argue as you have done for the superiority of injustice, and
remaining unconvinced by your own arguments. BAnd I do believe that you are
not convinced—this I infer from your general character, for had I
judged only from your speeches I should have mistrusted you. But now, the
greater my confidence in you, the greater is my difficulty in knowing what
to say. For I am in a strait between two; on the one hand I feel that I am
unequal to the task; and my inability is brought home to me by the fact
that you were not satisfied with the answer which I made to Thrasymachus,
proving, as I thought, the superiority which justice has over injustice.
And yet I cannot refuse to help, while breath and speech remain to me; I
am afraid that there would be an impiety in being present when justice Cis
evil spoken of and not lifting up a hand in her defence. And therefore I
had best give such help as I can.
Glaucon and the rest entreated me by all means not to let the question
drop, but to proceed in the investigation. They wanted to arrive at the
truth, first, about the nature of justice and injustice, and secondly,
about their relative advantages. I told them, what I really thought, that
the enquiry would be of a serious nature, and would require very good
eyes. DThe large letters.Seeing then, I said, that we are no great wits, I think that we had
better adopt a method which I may illustrate thus; suppose that a
short-sighted person had been asked by some one to read small letters from
a distance; and it occurred to some one else that they might be found in
another place which was larger and in which the letters were larger—if
they were the same and he could read the larger letters first, and then
proceed to the lesser—this would have been thought a rare piece of
good fortune.
Very true, said Adeimantus; but how does the illustration Eapply to our
enquiry?
I will tell you, I replied; justice, which is the subject of our enquiry,
is, as you know, sometimes spoken of as the virtue of an individual, and
sometimes as the virtue of a State.
True, he replied.
And is not a State larger than an individual?
It is.
Justice to be seen in the State more easily than in the individual.
Then in the larger the quantity of justice is likely to be larger and more
easily discernible. I propose therefore that we enquire into the nature of
justice and injustice, first as 369they appear in the State, and secondly in
the individual, proceeding from the greater to the lesser and comparing
them.
That, he said, is an excellent proposal.
And if we imagine the State in process of creation, we shall see the
justice and injustice of the State in process of creation also.
I dare say.
When the State is completed there may be a hope that the object of our
search will be more easily discovered.
BYes, far more easily.
But ought we to attempt to construct one? I said; for to do so, as I am
inclined to think, will be a very serious task. Reflect therefore.
I have reflected, said Adeimantus, and am anxious that you should proceed.
The State arises out of the wants of men.
A State, I said, arises, as I conceive, out of the needs of mankind; no
one is self-sufficing, but all of us have many wants. Can any other origin
of a State be imagined?
There can be no other.
CThen, as we have many wants, and many persons are needed to supply them,
one takes a helper for one purpose and another for another; and when these
partners and helpers are gathered together in one habitation the body of
inhabitants is termed a State.
True, he said.
And they exchange with one another, and one gives, and another receives,
under the idea that the exchange will be for their good.
Very true.
Then, I said, let us begin and create in idea a State; and yet the true
creator is necessity, who is the mother of our invention.
Of course, he replied.
The four or five greater needs of life, and the four or five kinds of citizens who correspond to them.
DNow the first and greatest of necessities is food, which is the condition
of life and existence.
Certainly.
The second is a dwelling, and the third clothing and the like.
True.
And now let us see how our city will be able to supply this great demand:
We may suppose that one man is a husbandman, another a builder, some one
else a weaver—shall we add to them a shoemaker, or perhaps some
other purveyor to our bodily wants?
Quite right.
The barest notion of a State must include four or five men.
EClearly.
The division of labour.
And how will they proceed? Will each bring the result of his labours into
a common stock?—the individual husbandman, for example, producing
for four, and labouring four times as long and as much as he need in the
provision of food with which he supplies others as well as himself; or
will he have nothing to do with others and not be at the trouble of
producing for them, but provide for himself alone 370a fourth of the food in
a fourth of the time, and in the remaining three fourths of his time be
employed in making a house or a coat or a pair of shoes, having no
partnership with others, but supplying himself all his own wants?
Adeimantus thought that he should aim at producing food only and not at
producing everything.
Probably, I replied, that would be the better way; and when I hear you say
this, I am myself reminded that we are Bnot all alike; there are
diversities of natures among us which are adapted to different
occupations.
Very true.
And will you have a work better done when the workman has many
occupations, or when he has only one?
When he has only one.
Further, there can be no doubt that a work is spoilt when not done at the
right time?
No doubt.
For business is not disposed to wait until the doer of the business is at
leisure; but the doer must follow up what he Cis doing, and make the
business his first object.
He must.
And if so, we must infer that all things are produced more plentifully and
easily and of a better quality when one man does one thing which is
natural to him and does it at the right time, and leaves other things.
Undoubtedly.
The first citizens are:—1. a husbandman, 2. a builder. 3. a weaver, 4. a shoemaker. To these must be added:—5. a carpenter, 6. a smith, etc., 7. merchants, 8. retailers.
Then more than four citizens will be required; for the husbandman will not
make his own plough or mattock, or Dother implements of agriculture, if
they are to be good for anything. Neither will the builder make his tools—and
he too needs many; and in like manner the weaver and shoemaker.
True.
Then carpenters, and smiths, and many other artisans, will be sharers in
our little State, which is already beginning to grow?
True.
Yet even if we add neatherds, shepherds, and other herdsmen, Ein order that
our husbandmen may have oxen to plough with, and builders as well as
husbandmen may have draught cattle, and curriers and weavers fleeces and
hides,—still our State will not be very large.
That is true; yet neither will it be a very small State which contains all
these.
Then, again, there is the situation of the city—to find a place
where nothing need be imported is wellnigh impossible.
Impossible.
Then there must be another class of citizens who will bring the required
supply from another city?
There must.
371But if the trader goes empty-handed, having nothing which they require who
would supply his need, he will come back empty-handed.
That is certain.
And therefore what they produce at home must be not only enough for
themselves, but such both in quantity and quality as to accommodate those
from whom their wants are supplied.
Very true.
Then more husbandmen and more artisans will be required?
They will.
Not to mention the importers and exporters, who are called merchants?
Yes.
Then we shall want merchants?
We shall.
And if merchandise is to be carried over the sea, skilful Bsailors will
also be needed, and in considerable numbers?
Yes, in considerable numbers.
Then, again, within the city, how will they exchange their productions? To
secure such an exchange was, as you will remember, one of our principal
objects when we formed them into a society and constituted a State.
Clearly they will buy and sell.
Then they will need a market-place, and a money-token for purposes of
exchange.
Certainly.
The origin of retail trade.
CSuppose now that a husbandman, or an artisan, brings some production to
market, and he comes at a time when there is no one to exchange with him,—is
he to leave his calling and sit idle in the market-place?
Not at all; he will find people there who, seeing the want, undertake the
office of salesmen. In well-ordered states they are commonly those who are
the weakest in bodily strength, and therefore of little use for any other
purpose; their duty is Dto be in the market, and to give money in exchange
for goods to those who desire to sell and to take money from those who
desire to buy.
This want, then, creates a class of retail-traders in our State. Is not
‘retailer’ the term which is applied to those who sit in the market-place
engaged in buying and selling, while those who wander from one city to
another are called merchants?
Yes, he said.
EAnd there is another class of servants, who are intellectually hardly on
the level of companionship; still they have plenty of bodily strength for
labour, which accordingly they sell, and are called, if I do not mistake,
hirelings, hire being the name which is given to the price of their
labour.
True.
Then hirelings will help to make up our population?
Yes.
And now, Adeimantus, is our State matured and perfected?
I think so.
Where, then, is justice, and where is injustice, and in what part of the
State did they spring up?
372Probably in the dealings of these citizens with one another. I cannot
imagine that they are more likely to be found any where else.
I dare say that you are right in your suggestion, I said; we had better
think the matter out, and not shrink from the enquiry.
A picture of primitive life.
Let us then consider, first of all, what will be their way of life, now
that we have thus established them. Will they not produce corn, and wine,
and clothes, and shoes, and build houses for themselves? And when they are
housed, they will work, in summer, commonly, stripped and barefoot, but Bin
winter substantially clothed and shod. They will feed on barley-meal and
flour of wheat, baking and kneading them, making noble cakes and loaves;
these they will serve up on a mat of reeds or on clean leaves, themselves
reclining the while upon beds strewn with yew or myrtle. And they and
their children will feast, drinking of the wine which they have made,
wearing garlands on their heads, and hymning the praises of the gods, in
happy converse with one another. CAnd they will take care that their
families do not exceed their means; having an eye to poverty or war.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
But, said Glaucon, interposing, you have not given them a relish to their
meal.
True, I replied, I had forgotten; of course they must have a relish—salt,
and olives, and cheese, and they will boil roots and herbs such as country
people prepare; for a dessert we shall give them figs, and peas, and
beans; and they will roast myrtle-berries and acorns at the fire, drinking
in moderation. DAnd with such a diet they may be expected to live in peace
and health to a good old age, and bequeath a similar life to their
children after them.
Yes, Socrates, he said, and if you were providing for a city of pigs, how
else would you feed the beasts?
But what would you have, Glaucon? I replied.
Why, he said, you should give them the ordinary conveniences of life.
People who are to be comfortable are accustomed to lie on sofas, and dine
off tables, and they should Ehave sauces and sweets in the modern style.
A luxurious State must be called into existence,
Yes, I said, now I understand: the question which you would have me
consider is, not only how a State, but how a luxurious State is created;
and possibly there is no harm in this, for in such a State we shall be
more likely to see how justice and injustice originate. In my opinion the
true and healthy constitution of the State is the one which I have
described. But if you wish also to see a State at fever-heat, I have no
objection. For I suspect that many will not be 373satisfied with the simpler
way of life. They will be for adding sofas, and tables, and other
furniture; also dainties, and perfumes, and incense, and courtesans, and
cakes, all these not of one sort only, but in every variety; we must go
beyond the necessaries of which I was at first speaking, such as houses,
and clothes, and shoes: the arts of the painter and the embroiderer will
have to be set in motion, and gold and ivory and all sorts of materials
must be procured.
BTrue, he said.
and in this many new callings will be required.
Then we must enlarge our borders; for the original healthy State is no
longer sufficient. Now will the city have to fill and swell with a
multitude of callings which are not required by any natural want; such as
the whole tribe of hunters and actors, of whom one large class have to do
with forms and colours; another will be the votaries of music—poets
and their attendant train of rhapsodists, players, dancers, contractors;
also makers of divers kinds of articles, Cincluding women’s dresses. And we
shall want more servants. Will not tutors be also in request, and nurses
wet and dry, tirewomen and barbers, as well as confectioners and cooks;
and swineherds, too, who were not needed and therefore had no place in the
former edition of our State, but are needed now? They must not be
forgotten: and there will be animals of many other kinds, if people eat
them.
Certainly.
DAnd living in this way we shall have much greater need of physicians than
before?
Much greater.
And the country which was enough to support the original inhabitants will
be too small now, and not enough?
Quite true.
The territory of our State must be enlarged; and hence will arise war between us and our neighbours.
Then a slice of our neighbours’ land will be wanted by us for pasture and
tillage, and they will want a slice of ours, if, like ourselves, they
exceed the limit of necessity, and give themselves up to the unlimited
accumulation of wealth?
EThat, Socrates, will be inevitable.
And so we shall go to war, Glaucon. Shall we not?
Most certainly, he replied.
Then without determining as yet whether war does good or harm, thus much
we may affirm, that now we have discovered war to be derived from causes
which are also the causes of almost all the evils in States, private as
well as public.
Undoubtedly.
And our State must once more enlarge; and this time the enlargement will
be nothing short of a whole army, which 374will have to go out and fight with
the invaders for all that we have, as well as for the things and persons
whom we were describing above.
Why? he said; are they not capable of defending themselves?
War is an art, and
as no art can be pursued with success unless a man’s whole attention is
devoted to it, a soldier cannot be allowed to exercise any calling but
his own.
No, I said; not if we were right in the principle which was acknowledged
by all of us when we were framing the State: the principle, as you will
remember, was that one man cannot practise many arts with success.
Very true, he said.
BBut is not war an art?
Certainly.
And an art requiring as much attention as shoemaking?
Quite true.
And the shoemaker was not allowed by us to be a husbandman, or a weaver,
or a builder—in order that we might have our shoes well made; but to
him and to every other worker was assigned one work for which he was by
nature fitted, and Cat that he was to continue working all his life long
and at no other; he was not to let opportunities slip, and then he would
become a good workman. Now nothing can be more important than that the
work of a soldier should be well done. The warrior’s art requires a long apprenticeship and many natural gifts.But is war an art so easily
acquired that a man may be a warrior who is also a husbandman, or
shoemaker, or other artisan; although no one in the world would be a good
dice or draught player who merely took up the game as a recreation, and
had not from his earliest years devoted himself to this and nothing else?
No tools will make a man a skilled workman, or master of defence, nor be
of any use to him who has not learned how to handle them, and has never
Dbestowed any attention upon them. How then will he who takes up a shield
or other implement of war become a good fighter all in a day, whether with
heavy-armed or any other kind of troops?
Yes, he said, the tools which would teach men their own use would be
beyond price.
And the higher the duties of the guardian, I said, the more Etime, and
skill, and art, and application will be needed by him?
No doubt, he replied.
Will he not also require natural aptitude for his calling?
Certainly.
The selection of guardians.
Then it will be our duty to select, if we can, natures which are fitted
for the task of guarding the city?
It will.
And the selection will be no easy matter, I said; but we must be brave and
do our best.
375We must.
Is not the noble youth very like a well-bred dog in respect of guarding
and watching?
What do you mean?
I mean that both of them ought to be quick to see, and swift to overtake
the enemy when they see him; and strong too if, when they have caught him,
they have to fight with him.
All these qualities, he replied, will certainly be required by them.
Well, and your guardian must be brave if he is to fight well?
Certainly.
And is he likely to be brave who has no spirit, whether horse or dog or
any other animal? Have you never observed Bhow invincible and unconquerable
is spirit and how the presence of it makes the soul of any creature to be
absolutely fearless and indomitable?
I have.
Then now we have a clear notion of the bodily qualities which are required
in the guardian.
True.
And also of the mental ones; his soul is to be full of spirit?
Yes.
But are not these spirited natures apt to be savage with one another, and
with everybody else?
A difficulty by no means easy to overcome, he replied.
CWhereas, I said, they ought to be dangerous to their enemies, and gentle
to their friends; if not, they will destroy themselves without waiting for
their enemies to destroy them.
True, he said.
What is to be done then? I said; how shall we find a gentle nature which
has also a great spirit, for the one is the contradiction of the other?
True.
The guardian must unite the opposite qualities of gentleness and spirit.
He will not be a good guardian who is wanting in either of these two
qualities; and yet the combination of them Dappears to be impossible; and
hence we must infer that to be a good guardian is impossible.
I am afraid that what you say is true, he replied.
Here feeling perplexed I began to think over what had preceded.—My
friend, I said, no wonder that we are in a perplexity; for we have lost
sight of the image which we had before us.
What do you mean? he said.
I mean to say that there do exist natures gifted with those opposite
qualities.
And where do you find them?
Such a combination may be observed in the dog.
Many animals, I replied, furnish examples of them; our Efriend the dog is a
very good one: you know that well-bred dogs are perfectly gentle to their
familiars and acquaintances, and the reverse to strangers.
Yes, I know.
Then there is nothing impossible or out of the order of nature in our
finding a guardian who has a similar combination of qualities?
Certainly not.
Would not he who is fitted to be a guardian, besides the spirited nature,
need to have the qualities of a philosopher?
I do not apprehend your meaning.
376The trait of which I am speaking, I replied, may be also seen in the dog,
and is remarkable in the animal.
What trait?
The dog distinguishes friend and enemy by the criterion of knowing and not knowing:
Why, a dog, whenever he sees a stranger, is angry; when an acquaintance,
he welcomes him, although the one has never done him any harm, nor the
other any good. Did this never strike you as curious?
The matter never struck me before; but I quite recognise the truth of your
remark.
And surely this instinct of the dog is very charming;—Byour dog is a
true philosopher.
Why?
Why, because he distinguishes the face of a friend and of an enemy only by
the criterion of knowing and not knowing. And must not an animal be a
lover of learning who determines what he likes and dislikes by the test of
knowledge and ignorance?
Most assuredly.
whereby he is shown to be a philosopher.
And is not the love of learning the love of wisdom, which is philosophy?
They are the same, he replied.
And may we not say confidently of man also, that he who Cis likely to be
gentle to his friends and acquaintances, must by nature be a lover of
wisdom and knowledge?
That we may safely affirm.
Then he who is to be a really good and noble guardian of the State will
require to unite in himself philosophy and spirit and swiftness and
strength?
Undoubtedly.
How are our citizens to be reared and educated?
Then we have found the desired natures; and now that we have found them,
how are they to be reared and educated? Is not this an enquiry which may
be expected to throw light Don the greater enquiry which is our final end—How
do justice and injustice grow up in States? for we do not want either to
omit what is to the point or to draw out the argument to an inconvenient
length.
SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS.
Adeimantus thought that the enquiry would be of great service to us.
Then, I said, my dear friend, the task must not be given up, even if
somewhat long.
Certainly not.
Come then, and let us pass a leisure hour in story-telling, and our story
shall be the education of our heroes.
EBy all means.
And what shall be their education? Can we find a better than the
traditional sort?—and this has two divisions, gymnastic for the
body, and music for the soul.
True.
Education divided into gymnastic for the body and music for the soul. Music includes literature, which may be true or false.
Shall we begin education with music, and go on to gymnastic afterwards?
By all means.
And when you speak of music, do you include literature or not?
I do.
And literature may be either true or false?
Yes.
377And the young should be trained in both kinds, and we begin with the
false?
I do not understand your meaning, he said.
You know, I said, that we begin by telling children stories which, though
not wholly destitute of truth, are in the main fictitious; and these
stories are told them when they are not of an age to learn gymnastics.
Very true.
That was my meaning when I said that we must teach music before
gymnastics.
Quite right, he said.
The beginning the most important part of education.
You know also that the beginning is the most important Bpart of any work,
especially in the case of a young and tender thing; for that is the time
at which the character is being formed and the desired impression is more
readily taken.
Quite true.
And shall we just carelessly allow children to hear any casual tales which
may be devised by casual persons, and to receive into their minds ideas
for the most part the very opposite of those which we should wish them to
have when they are grown up?
We cannot.
Works of fiction to be placed under a censorship.
Then the first thing will be to establish a censorship of Cthe writers of
fiction, and let the censors receive any tale of fiction which is good,
and reject the bad; and we will desire mothers and nurses to tell their
children the authorised ones only. Let them fashion the mind with such
tales, even more fondly than they mould the body with their hands; but
most of those which are now in use must be discarded.
Of what tales are you speaking? he said.
You may find a model of the lesser in the greater, I said; Dfor they are
necessarily of the same type, and there is the same spirit in both of
them.
Very likely, he replied; but I do not as yet know what you would term the
greater.
Homer and Hesiod are tellers of bad lies, that is to say, they give false representations of the gods,
Those, I said, which are narrated by Homer and Hesiod, and the rest of the
poets, who have ever been the great story-tellers of mankind.
But which stories do you mean, he said; and what fault do you find with
them?
A fault which is most serious, I said; the fault of telling a lie, and,
what is more, a bad lie.
But when is this fault committed?
EWhenever an erroneous representation is made of the nature of gods and
heroes,—as when a painter paints a portrait not having the shadow of
a likeness to the original.
Yes, he said, that sort of thing is certainly very blameable; but what are
the stories which you mean?
First of all, I said, there was that greatest of all lies in high places,
which the poet told about Uranus, and which was a bad lie too,—I
mean what Hesiod says that Uranus did, 378and how Cronus retaliated on him8.
The doings of Cronus, and the sufferings which in turn his son inflicted
upon him, even if they were true, ought certainly not to be lightly told
to young and thoughtless persons; if possible, they had better be buried
in silence. But if there is an absolute necessity for their mention, a
chosen few might hear them in a mystery, and they should sacrifice not a
common [Eleusinian] pig, but some huge and unprocurable victim; and then
the number of the hearers will be very few indeed.
Why, yes, said he, those stories are extremely objectionable.
which have a bad effect on the minds of youth.
BYes, Adeimantus, they are stories not to be repeated in our State; the
young man should not be told that in committing the worst of crimes he is
far from doing anything outrageous; and that even if he chastises his
father when he does wrong, in whatever manner, he will only be following
the example of the first and greatest among the gods.
I entirely agree with you, he said; in my opinion those stories are quite
unfit to be repeated.
The stories about the quarrels of the gods and their evil behaviour to one another are untrue.
Neither, if we mean our future guardians to regard the habit of
quarrelling among themselves as of all things the basest, should any word
be said to them of the wars in heaven, Cand of the plots and fightings of
the gods against one another, for they are not true. No, we shall never
mention the battles of the giants, or let them be embroidered on garments;
and we shall be silent about the innumerable other quarrels of gods and
heroes with their friends and relatives. If they would only believe us we
would tell them that quarrelling is unholy, and that never up to this time
Dhas there been any quarrel between citizens; this is what old men and old
women should begin by telling children; and when they grow up, the poets
also should be told to compose for them in a similar spirit9. But the
narrative of Hephaestus binding Here his mother, or how on another
occasion Zeus sent him flying for taking her part when she was being
beaten, and all the battles of the gods in Homer—And allegorical interpretations of them are not understood by the young.these tales must
not be admitted into our State, whether they are supposed to have an
allegorical meaning or not. For a young person cannot judge what is
allegorical and Ewhat is literal; anything that he receives into his mind
at that age is likely to become indelible and unalterable; and therefore
it is most important that the tales which the young first hear should be
models of virtuous thoughts.
There you are right, he replied; but if any one asks where are such models
to be found and of what tales are you speaking—how shall we answer
him?
379I said to him, You and I, Adeimantus, at this moment are not poets, but
founders of a State: now the founders of a State ought to know the general
forms in which poets should cast their tales, and the limits which must be
observed by them, but to make the tales is not their business.
Very true, he said; but what are these forms of theology which you mean?
God is to be represented as he truly is.
Something of this kind, I replied:—God is always to be represented
as he truly is, whatever be the sort of poetry, epic, lyric or tragic, in
which the representation is given.
Right.
BAnd is he not truly good? and must he not be represented as such?
Certainly.
And no good thing is hurtful?
No, indeed.
And that which is not hurtful hurts not?
Certainly not.
And that which hurts not does no evil?
No.
And can that which does no evil be a cause of evil?
Impossible.
And the good is advantageous?
Yes.
And therefore the cause of well-being?
Yes.
It follows therefore that the good is not the cause of all things, but of
the good only?
CAssuredly.
God, if he be good, is the author of good only.
Then God, if he be good, is not the author of all things, as the many
assert, but he is the cause of a few things only, and not of most things
that occur to men. For few are the goods of human life, and many are the
evils, and the good is to be attributed to God alone; of the evils the
causes are to be sought elsewhere, and not in him.
That appears to me to be most true, he said.
The fictions of the poets.
Then we must not listen to Homer or to any other poet Dwho is guilty of the
folly of saying that two casks
‘Lie at the threshold of Zeus, full of lots, one of good, the other of
evil lots10,’
and that he to whom Zeus gives a mixture of the two
‘Sometimes meets with evil fortune, at other times with good;’
but that he to whom is given the cup of unmingled ill,
‘Him wild hunger drives o’er the beauteous earth.’
EAnd again—
‘Zeus, who is the dispenser of good and evil to us.’
And if any one asserts that the violation of oaths and treaties, which was
really the work of Pandarus11, was brought about by Athene and Zeus, or that
the strife and contention of the gods was instigated by Themis and Zeus12,
he shall not have our approval; neither will we allow our young men to
hear the words of Aeschylus, that
380‘God plants guilt among men when he desires utterly to destroy a house.’
And if a poet writes of the sufferings of Niobe—the subject of the
tragedy in which these iambic verses occur—or of the house of
Pelops, or of the Trojan war or on any similar theme, either we must not
permit him to say that these are the works of God, or if they are of God,
he must devise some explanation of them such as we are seeking; Only that evil which is of the nature of punishment to be attributed to God.he must
say that BGod did what was just and right, and they were the better for
being punished; but that those who are punished are miserable, and that
God is the author of their misery—the poet is not to be permitted to
say; though he may say that the wicked are miserable because they require
to be punished, and are benefited by receiving punishment from God; but
that God being good is the author of evil to any one is to be Cstrenuously
denied, and not to be said or sung or heard in verse or prose by any one
whether old or young in any well-ordered commonwealth. Such a fiction is
suicidal, ruinous, impious.
I agree with you, he replied, and am ready to give my assent to the law.
Let this then be one of our rules and principles concerning the gods, to
which our poets and reciters will be expected to conform,—that God
is not the author of all things, but of good only.
That will do, he said.
DAnd what do you think of a second principle? Shall I ask you whether God
is a magician, and of a nature to appear insidiously now in one shape, and
now in another—sometimes himself changing and passing into many
forms, sometimes deceiving us with the semblance of such transformations;
or is he one and the same immutably fixed in his own proper image?
I cannot answer you, he said, without more thought.
Things must be changed either by another or by themselves.
Well, I said; but if we suppose a change in anything, that Echange must be
effected either by the thing itself, or by some other thing?
Most certainly.
And things which are at their best are also least liable to be altered or
discomposed; for example, when healthiest and strongest, the human frame
is least liable to be affected by meats and drinks, and the plant which is
in the fullest vigour also suffers least from winds or the heat of the sun
or any similar causes.
Of course.
381And will not the bravest and wisest soul be least confused or deranged by
any external influence?
True.
And the same principle, as I should suppose, applies to all composite
things—furniture, houses, garments: when good and well made, they
are least altered by time and circumstances.
Very true.
BThen everything which is good, whether made by art or nature, or both, is
least liable to suffer change from without?
True.
But surely God and the things of God are in every way perfect?
Of course they are.
But God cannot be changed by other; and will not be changed by himself.
Then he can hardly be compelled by external influence to take many shapes?
He cannot.
But may he not change and transform himself?
Clearly, he said, that must be the case if he is changed at all.
And will he then change himself for the better and fairer, or for the
worse and more unsightly?
CIf he change at all he can only change for the worse, for we cannot
suppose him to be deficient either in virtue or beauty.
Very true, Adeimantus; but then, would any one, whether God or man, desire
to make himself worse?
Impossible.
Then it is impossible that God should ever be willing to change; being, as
is supposed, the fairest and best that is conceivable, every God remains
absolutely and for ever in his own form.
That necessarily follows, he said, in my judgment.
D Then, I said, my dear friend, let none of the poets tell us that
‘The gods, taking the disguise of strangers from other lands, walk up and
down cities in all sorts of forms13;’
and let no one slander Proteus and Thetis, neither let any one, either in
tragedy or in any other kind of poetry, introduce Here disguised in the
likeness of a priestess asking an alms
‘For the life-giving daughters of Inachus the river of Argos;’
E—let us have no more lies of that sort. Neither must we have mothers
under the influence of the poets scaring their children with a bad version
of these myths—telling how certain gods, as they say, ‘Go about by
night in the likeness of so many strangers and in divers forms;’ but let
them take heed lest they make cowards of their children, and at the same
time speak blasphemy against the gods.
Heaven forbid, he said.
But although the gods are themselves unchangeable, still by witchcraft and
deception they may make us think that they appear in various forms?
Perhaps, he replied.
Nor will he make any false representation of himself.
Well, but can you imagine that God will be willing to lie, whether in word
or deed, or to put forth a phantom of himself?
382I cannot say, he replied.
Do you not know, I said, that the true lie, if such an expression may be
allowed, is hated of gods and men?
What do you mean? he said.
I mean that no one is willingly deceived in that which is the truest and
highest part of himself, or about the truest and highest matters; there,
above all, he is most afraid of a lie having possession of him.
Still, he said, I do not comprehend you.
BThe reason is, I replied, that you attribute some profound meaning to my
words; but I am only saying that deception, or being deceived or
uninformed about the highest realities in the highest part of themselves,
which is the soul, and in that part of them to have and to hold the lie,
is what mankind least like;—that, I say, is what they utterly
detest.
There is nothing more hateful to them.
And, as I was just now remarking, this ignorance in the soul of him who is
deceived may be called the true lie; for the lie in words is only a kind
of imitation and shadowy image of a previous affection of the soul, not
pure unadulterated Cfalsehood. Am I not right?
Perfectly right.
The true lie is
equally hated both by gods and men; the remedial or preventive lie is
comparatively innocent, but God can have no need of it.
The true lie is hated not only by the gods, but also by men?
Yes.
Whereas the lie in words is in certain cases useful and not hateful; in
dealing with enemies—that would be an instance; or again, when those
whom we call our friends in a fit of madness or illusion are going to do
some harm, then it is useful and is a sort of medicine or preventive; also
in the Dtales of mythology, of which we were just now speaking—because
we do not know the truth about ancient times, we make falsehood as much
like truth as we can, and so turn it to account.
Very true, he said.
But can any of these reasons apply to God? Can we suppose that he is
ignorant of antiquity, and therefore has recourse to invention?
That would be ridiculous, he said.
Then the lying poet has no place in our idea of God?
I should say not.
Or perhaps he may tell a lie because he is afraid of enemies?
EThat is inconceivable.
But he may have friends who are senseless or mad?
But no mad or senseless person can be a friend of God.
Then no motive can be imagined why God should lie?
None whatever.
Then the superhuman and divine is absolutely incapable of falsehood?
Yes.
Then is God perfectly simple and true both in word and deed14; he changes
not; he deceives not, either by sign or word, by dream or waking vision.
383Your thoughts, he said, are the reflection of my own.
You agree with me then, I said, that this is the second type or form in
which we should write and speak about divine things. The gods are not
magicians who transform themselves, neither do they deceive mankind in any
way.
I grant that.
Away then with the falsehoods of the poets!
Then, although we are admirers of Homer, we do not admire the lying dream
which Zeus sends to Agamemnon; neither will we praise the verses of
Aeschylus in which Thetis Bsays that Apollo at her nuptials
‘Was celebrating in song her fair progeny whose days were to be long, and
to know no sickness. And when he had spoken of my lot as in all things
blessed of heaven he raised a note of triumph and cheered my soul. And I
thought that the word of Phoebus, being divine and full of prophecy, would
not fail. And now he himself who uttered the strain, he who was present at
the banquet, and who said this—he it is who has slain my son15.’
CThese are the kind of sentiments about the gods which will arouse our
anger; and he who utters them shall be refused a chorus; neither shall we
allow teachers to make use of them in the instruction of the young,
meaning, as we do, that our guardians, as far as men can be, should be
true worshippers of the gods and like them.
I entirely agree, he said, in these principles, and promise to make them
my laws.
Steph.
386 Republic III.
SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS.
The discouraging lessons of mythology.
SUCH then, I said, are our principles of theology—some tales are to
be told, and others are not to be told to our disciples from their youth
upwards, if we mean them to honour the gods and their parents, and to
value friendship with one another.
Yes; and I think that our principles are right, he said.
But if they are to be courageous, must they not learn other lessons
besides these, and lessons of such a kind as will take Baway the fear of
death? Can any man be courageous who has the fear of death in him?
Certainly not, he said.
And can he be fearless of death, or will he choose death in battle rather
than defeat and slavery, who believes the world below to be real and
terrible?
Impossible.
The description of the world below in Homer.
Then we must assume a control over the narrators of this class of tales as
well as over the others, and beg them not simply to revile but rather to
commend the world below, Cintimating to them that their descriptions are
untrue, and will do harm to our future warriors.
That will be our duty, he said.
Then, I said, we shall have to obliterate many obnoxious passages,
beginning with the verses,
‘I would rather be a serf on the land of a poor and portionless man than
rule over all the dead who have come to nought1.’
We must also expunge the verse, which tells us how Pluto feared,
D
‘Lest the mansions grim and squalid which the gods abhor should be seen
both of mortals and immortals2.’
And again:—
‘O heavens! verily in the house of Hades there is soul and ghostly form
but no mind at all3!’
Again of Tiresias:—
‘[To him even after death did Persephone grant mind,] that he alone should
be wise; but the other souls are flitting shades4.’
Again:—
‘The soul flying from the limbs had gone to Hades, lamenting her fate,
leaving manhood and youth5.’
Again:—
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‘And the soul, with shrilling cry, passed like smoke beneath the earth6.’
And,—
‘As bats in hollow of mystic cavern, whenever any of them has dropped out
of the string and falls from the rock, fly shrilling and cling to one
another, so did they with shrilling cry hold together as they moved7.’
B Such tales to be rejected.
And we must beg Homer and the other poets not to be angry if we strike out
these and similar passages, not because they are unpoetical, or
unattractive to the popular ear, but because the greater the poetical
charm of them, the less are they meet for the ears of boys and men who are
meant to be free, and who should fear slavery more than death.
Undoubtedly.
Also we shall have to reject all the terrible and appalling names which
describe the world below—Cocytus and Styx, Cghosts under the earth,
and sapless shades, and any similar words of which the very mention causes
a shudder to pass through the inmost soul of him who hears them. I do not
say that these horrible stories may not have a use of some kind; but there
is a danger that the nerves of our guardians may be rendered too excitable
and effeminate by them.
There is a real danger, he said.
Then we must have no more of them.
True.
Another and a nobler strain must be composed and sung by us.
Clearly.
D
And shall we proceed to get rid of the weepings and wailings of famous
men?
They will go with the rest.
The effeminate and pitiful strains of famous men, and yet more of the gods, must also be banished.
But shall we be right in getting rid of them? Reflect: our principle is
that the good man will not consider death terrible to any other good man
who is his comrade.
Yes; that is our principle.
And therefore he will not sorrow for his departed friend as though he had
suffered anything terrible?
He will not.
Such an one, as we further maintain, is sufficient for himself Eand his own
happiness, and therefore is least in need of other men.
True, he said.
And for this reason the loss of a son or brother, or the deprivation of
fortune, is to him of all men least terrible.
Assuredly.
And therefore he will be least likely to lament, and will bear with the
greatest equanimity any misfortune of this sort which may befall him.
Yes, he will feel such a misfortune far less than another.
Then we shall be right in getting rid of the lamentations of famous men,
and making them over to women (and not 388even to women who are good for
anything), or to men of a baser sort, that those who are being educated by
us to be the defenders of their country may scorn to do the like.
That will be very right.
Such are the laments of Achilles, and Priam,
Then we will once more entreat Homer and the other poets not to depict
Achilles8, who is the son of a goddess, first lying on his side, then on
his back, and then on his face; then starting up and sailing in a frenzy
along the shores of Bthe barren sea; now taking the sooty ashes in both his
hands9 and pouring them over his head, or weeping and wailing in the
various modes which Homer has delineated. Nor should he describe Priam the
kinsman of the gods as praying and beseeching,
‘Rolling in the dirt, calling each man loudly by his name10.’
Still more earnestly will we beg of him at all events not to introduce the
gods lamenting and saying,
C
‘Alas! my misery! Alas! that I bore the bravest to my sorrow11.’
and of Zeus when he beholds the fate of Hector or Sarpedon.
But if he must introduce the gods, at any rate let him not dare so
completely to misrepresent the greatest of the gods, as to make him say—
‘O heavens! with my eyes verily I behold a dear friend of mine chased
round and round the city, and my heart is sorrowful12.’
Or again:—
‘Woe is me that I am fated to have Sarpedon, dearest of Dmen to me, subdued
at the hands of Patroclus the son of Menoetius13.’
For if, my sweet Adeimantus, our youth seriously listen to such unworthy
representations of the gods, instead of laughing at them as they ought,
hardly will any of them deem that he himself, being but a man, can be
dishonoured by similar actions; neither will he rebuke any inclination
which may arise in his mind to say and do the like. And instead of having
any shame or self-control, he will be always whining and lamenting on
slight occasions.
E
Yes, he said, that is most true.
Yes, I replied; but that surely is what ought not to be, as the argument
has just proved to us; and by that proof we must abide until it is
disproved by a better.
It ought not to be.
Neither are the guardians to be encouraged to laugh by the example of the gods.
Neither ought our guardians to be given to laughter. For a fit of laughter
which has been indulged to excess almost always produces a violent
reaction.
So I believe.
Then persons of worth, even if only mortal men, must not be represented as
overcome by laughter, and still less must such a representation of the
gods be allowed.
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Still less of the gods, as you say, he replied.
Then we shall not suffer such an expression to be used about the gods as
that of Homer when he describes how
‘Inextinguishable laughter arose among the blessed gods, when they saw
Hephaestus bustling about the mansion14.’
On your views, we must not admit them.
On my views, if you like to father them on me; that we Bmust not admit them
is certain.
Our youth must be truthful,
Again, truth should be highly valued; if, as we were saying, a lie is
useless to the gods, and useful only as a medicine to men, then the use of
such medicines should be restricted to physicians; private individuals
have no business with them.
Clearly not, he said.
Then if any one at all is to have the privilege of lying, the rulers of
the State should be the persons; and they, in their dealings either with
enemies or with their own citizens, may be allowed to lie for the public
good. But nobody else should Cmeddle with anything of the kind; and
although the rulers have this privilege, for a private man to lie to them
in return is to be deemed a more heinous fault than for the patient or the
pupil of a gymnasium not to speak the truth about his own bodily illnesses
to the physician or to the trainer, or for a sailor not to tell the
captain what is happening about the ship and the rest of the crew, and how
things are going with himself or his fellow sailors.
Most true, he said.
D
If, then, the ruler catches anybody beside himself lying in the State,
‘Any of the craftsmen, whether he be priest or physician or carpenter15,’
he will punish him for introducing a practice which is equally subversive
and destructive of ship or State.
Most certainly, he said, if our idea of the State is ever carried out16.
and also temperate.
In the next place our youth must be temperate?
Certainly.
Are not the chief elements of temperance, speaking Egenerally, obedience to
commanders and self-control in sensual pleasures?
True.
Then we shall approve such language as that of Diomede in Homer,
‘Friend, sit still and obey my word17,’
and the verses which follow,
‘The Greeks marched breathing prowess18,
… in silent awe of their leaders19,’
and other sentiments of the same kind.
We shall.
What of this line,
‘O heavy with wine, who hast the eyes of a dog and the heart of a stag20,’
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and of the words which follow? Would you say that these, or any similar
impertinences which private individuals are supposed to address to their
rulers, whether in verse or prose, are well or ill spoken?
They are ill spoken.
They may very possibly afford some amusement, but they do not conduce to
temperance. And therefore they are likely to do harm to our young men—you
would agree with me there?
Yes.
The praises of
eating and drinking, and the tale of the improper behaviour of Zeus and
Here, are not to be repeated to the young.
And then, again, to make the wisest of men say that nothing in his opinion
is more glorious than
B
‘When the tables are full of bread and meat, and the cup-bearer carries
round wine which he draws from the bowl and pours into the cups21,’
is it fit or conducive to temperance for a young man to hear such words?
Or the verse
‘The saddest of fates is to die and meet destiny from hunger22?’
What would you say again to the tale of Zeus, who, while other gods and
men were asleep and he the only person Cawake, lay devising plans, but
forgot them all in a moment through his lust, and was so completely
overcome at the sight of Here that he would not even go into the hut, but
wanted to lie with her on the ground, declaring that he had never been in
such a state of rapture before, even when they first met one another
‘Without the knowledge of their parents23;’
The indecent tale of Ares and Aphrodite.
or that other tale of how Hephaestus, because of similar goings on, cast a
chain around Ares and Aphrodite24?
Indeed, he said, I am strongly of opinion that they ought not to hear that
sort of thing.
D The opposite strain of endurance.
But any deeds of endurance which are done or told by famous men, these
they ought to see and hear; as, for example, what is said in the verses,
‘He smote his breast, and thus reproached his heart,
Endure, my heart; far
worse hast thou endured25!’
Certainly, he said.
In the next place, we must not let them be receivers of gifts or lovers of
money.
E
Certainly not.
Neither must we sing to them of
‘Gifts persuading gods, and persuading reverend kings26.’
Condemnation of Achilles and Phoenix.
Neither is Phoenix, the tutor of Achilles, to be approved or deemed to
have given his pupil good counsel when he told him that he should take the
gifts of the Greeks and assist them27; but that without a gift he should not
lay aside his anger. Neither will we believe or acknowledge Achilles
himself to have been such a lover of money that he took Agamemnon’s gifts,
or that when he had received payment he restored the dead body of Hector,
but that without payment he was unwilling to do so28.
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Undoubtedly, he said, these are not sentiments which can be approved.
Loving Homer as I do29, I hardly like to say that in attributing these
feelings to Achilles, or in believing that they are truly attributed to
him, he is guilty of downright impiety. As little can I believe the
narrative of his insolence to Apollo, where he says,
‘Thou hast wronged me, O far-darter, most abominable of deities. Verily I
would be even with thee, if I had only the power30;’
B
or his insubordination to the river-god31, The impious behaviour of Achilles to Apollo and the river-gods; his cruelty. on whose divinity he is ready to
lay hands; or his offering to the dead Patroclus of his own hair32, which
had been previously dedicated to the other river-god Spercheius, and that
he actually performed this vow; or that he dragged Hector round the tomb
of Patroclus33, and slaughtered the captives at the pyre34; of all this I
cannot believe that he was guilty, any more than I can Callow our citizens
to believe that he, the wise Cheiron’s pupil, the son of a goddess and of
Peleus who was the gentlest of men and third in descent from Zeus, was so
disordered in his wits as to be at one time the slave of two seemingly
inconsistent passions, meanness, not untainted by avarice, combined with
overweening contempt of gods and men.
You are quite right, he replied.
The tale of Theseus and Peirithous.
And let us equally refuse to believe, or allow to be repeated, the tale of
Theseus son of Poseidon, or of Peirithous Dson of Zeus, going forth as they
did to perpetrate a horrid rape; or of any other hero or son of a god
daring to do such impious and dreadful things as they falsely ascribe to
them in our day: and let us further compel the poets to declare either
that these acts were not done by them, or that they were not the sons of
gods;—both in the same breath they shall not be permitted to affirm.
We will not have them trying to persuade our youth that the gods are the
authors of evil, and that heroes are no better than men—sentiments
Ewhich, as we were saying, are neither pious nor true, for we have already
proved that evil cannot come from the gods.
Assuredly not.
The bad effect of these mythological tales upon the young.
And further they are likely to have a bad effect on those who hear them;
for everybody will begin to excuse his own vices when he is convinced that
similar wickednesses are always being perpetrated by—
‘The kindred of the gods, the relatives of Zeus, whose ancestral altar,
the altar of Zeus, is aloft in air on the peak of Ida,’
and who have
‘the blood of deities yet flowing in their veins35.’
And therefore let us put an end to such tales, lest they 392engender laxity
of morals among the young.
By all means, he replied.
But now that we are determining what classes of subjects are or are not to
be spoken of, let us see whether any have been omitted by us. The manner
in which gods and demigods and heroes and the world below should be
treated has been already laid down.
Very true.
Misstatements of the poets about men.
And what shall we say about men? That is clearly the remaining portion of
our subject.
Clearly so.
But we are not in a condition to answer this question at present, my
friend.
Why not?
Because, if I am not mistaken, we shall have to say that Babout men poets
and story-tellers are guilty of making the gravest misstatements when they
tell us that wicked men are often happy, and the good miserable; and that
injustice is profitable when undetected, but that justice is a man’s own
loss and another’s gain—these things we shall forbid them to utter,
and command them to sing and say the opposite.
To be sure we shall, he replied.
But if you admit that I am right in this, then I shall maintain that you
have implied the principle for which we have been all along contending.
I grant the truth of your inference.
C
That such things are or are not to be said about men is a question which
we cannot determine until we have discovered what justice is, and how
naturally advantageous to the possessor, whether he seem to be just or
not.
Most true, he said.
Enough of the subjects of poetry: let us now speak of the style; and when
this has been considered, both matter and manner will have been completely
treated.
I do not understand what you mean, said Adeimantus.
D
Then I must make you understand; and perhaps I may be more intelligible if
I put the matter in this way. You are aware, I suppose, that all mythology
and poetry is a narration of events, either past, present, or to come?
Certainly, he replied.
And narration may be either simple narration, or imitation, or a union of
the two?
That again, he said, I do not quite understand.
Analysis of the dramatic element in Epic poetry.
I fear that I must be a ridiculous teacher when I have so much difficulty
in making myself apprehended. Like a bad speaker, therefore, I will not
take the whole of the subject, Ebut will break a piece off in illustration
of my meaning. You know the first lines of the Iliad, in which the poet
says that 393Chryses prayed Agamemnon to release his daughter, and that
Agamemnon flew into a passion with him; whereupon Chryses, failing of his
object, invoked the anger of the God against the Achaeans. Now as far as
these lines,
‘And he prayed all the Greeks, but especially the two sons of Atreus, the
chiefs of the people,’
the poet is speaking in his own person; he never leads us to suppose that
he is any one else. But in what follows he takes the person of Chryses,
and then he does all that he can Bto make us believe that the speaker is
not Homer, but the aged priest himself. And in this double form he has
cast the entire narrative of the events which occurred at Troy and in
Ithaca and throughout the Odyssey.
Yes.
And a narrative it remains both in the speeches which the poet recites
from time to time and in the intermediate passages?
Quite true.
C Epic poetry has an element of imitation in the speeches; the rest is simple narrative.
But when the poet speaks in the person of another, may we not say that he
assimilates his style to that of the person who, as he informs you, is
going to speak?
Certainly.
And this assimilation of himself to another, either by the use of voice or
gesture, is the imitation of the person whose character he assumes?
Of course.
Then in this case the narrative of the poet may be said to proceed by way
of imitation?
Very true.
Illustrations from the beginning of the Iliad.
Or, if the poet everywhere appears and never conceals Dhimself, then again
the imitation is dropped, and his poetry becomes simple narration.
However, in order that I may make my meaning quite clear, and that you may
no more say, ‘I don’t understand,’ I will show how the change might be
effected. If Homer had said, ‘The priest came, having his daughter’s
ransom in his hands, supplicating the Achaeans, and above all the kings;’
and then if, instead of speaking in the person of Chryses, he had
continued in his own person, the words would have been, not imitation, but
simple narration. The passage would have run as follows (I am no poet, Eand
therefore I drop the metre), ‘The priest came and prayed the gods on
behalf of the Greeks that they might capture Troy and return safely home,
but begged that they would give him back his daughter, and take the ransom
which he brought, and respect the God. Thus he spoke, and the other Greeks
revered the priest and assented. But Agamemnon was wroth, and bade him
depart and not come again, lest the staff and chaplets of the God should
be of no avail to him—the daughter of Chryses should not be
released, he said—she should grow old with him in Argos. And then he
told him to go away and not to provoke him, if he intended to get home
unscathed. And the old man went away in fear and 394silence, and, when he had
left the camp, he called upon Apollo by his many names, reminding him of
everything which he had done pleasing to him, whether in building his
temples, or in offering sacrifice, and praying that his good deeds might
be returned to him, and that the Achaeans might expiate his tears by the
arrows of the god,’—and so on. BIn this way the whole becomes simple
narrative.
I understand, he said.
Tragedy and Comedy
are wholly imitative; dithyrambic and some other kinds of poetry are
devoid of imitation. Epic poetry is a combination of the two.
Or you may suppose the opposite case—that the intermediate passages
are omitted, and the dialogue only left.
That also, he said, I understand; you mean, for example, as in tragedy.
You have conceived my meaning perfectly; and if I mistake not, what you
failed to apprehend before is now made Cclear to you, that poetry and
mythology are, in some cases, wholly imitative—instances of this are
supplied by tragedy and comedy; there is likewise the opposite style, in
which the poet is the only speaker—of this the dithyramb affords the
best example; and the combination of both is found in epic, and in several
other styles of poetry. Do I take you with me?
Yes, he said; I see now what you meant.
I will ask you to remember also what I began by saying, that we had done
with the subject and might proceed to the style.
Yes, I remember.
D
In saying this, I intended to imply that we must come to an understanding
about the mimetic art,—whether the poets, in narrating their
stories, are to be allowed by us to imitate, and if so, whether in whole
or in part, and if the latter, in what parts; or should all imitation be
prohibited?
You mean, I suspect, to ask whether tragedy and comedy shall be admitted
into our State?
A hint about Homer (cp. infra, bk. x.)
Yes, I said; but there may be more than this in question: I really do not
know as yet, but whither the argument may blow, thither we go.
And go we will, he said.
E Our guardians ought not to be imitators, for one man can only do one thing well;
Then, Adeimantus, let me ask you whether our guardians ought to be
imitators; or rather, has not this question been decided by the rule
already laid down that one man can only do one thing well, and not many;
and that if he attempt many, he will altogether fail of gaining much
reputation in any?
Certainly.
And this is equally true of imitation; no one man can imitate many things
as well as he would imitate a single one?
He cannot.
395
Then the same person will hardly be able to play a serious part in life,
and at the same time to be an imitator and imitate many other parts as
well; for even when two species of imitation are nearly allied, the same
persons cannot succeed in both, as, for example, the writers of tragedy
and comedy—did you not just now call them imitations?
Yes, I did; and you are right in thinking that the same persons cannot
succeed in both.
Any more than they can be rhapsodists and actors at once?
True.
B
Neither are comic and tragic actors the same; yet all these things are but
imitations.
They are so.
he cannot even imitate many things.
And human nature, Adeimantus, appears to have been coined into yet smaller
pieces, and to be as incapable of imitating many things well, as of
performing well the actions of which the imitations are copies.
Quite true, he replied.
If then we adhere to our original notion and bear in mind that our
guardians, setting aside every other business, are to Cdedicate themselves
wholly to the maintenance of freedom in the State, making this their
craft, and engaging in no work which does not bear on this end, they ought
not to practise or imitate anything else; if they imitate at all, they
should imitate from youth upward only those characters which are suitable
to their profession—the courageous, temperate, holy, free, and the
like; but they should not depict or be skilful at imitating any kind of
illiberality or baseness, lest from imitation they should come to be what
they imitate. Did Dyou never observe how imitations, beginning in early
youth and continuing far into life, at length grow into habits and become
a second nature, affecting body, voice, and mind?
Yes, certainly, he said.
Imitations which are of the degrading sort.
Then, I said, we will not allow those for whom we profess a care and of
whom we say that they ought to be good men, to imitate a woman, whether
young or old, quarrelling with her husband, or striving and vaunting
against the gods in Econceit of her happiness, or when she is in
affliction, or sorrow, or weeping; and certainly not one who is in
sickness, love, or labour.
Very right, he said.
Neither must they represent slaves, male or female, performing the offices
of slaves?
They must not.
And surely not bad men, whether cowards or any others, who do the reverse
of what we have just been prescribing, who scold or mock or revile one
another in drink or out of drink, or who in any other manner sin against
themselves and their neighbours in word or deed, as the manner of such is.
396Neither should they be trained to imitate the action or speech of men or
women who are mad or bad; for madness, like vice, is to be known but not
to be practised or imitated.
Very true, he replied.
Neither may they imitate smiths or other artificers, or Boarsmen, or
boatswains, or the like?
How can they, he said, when they are not allowed to apply their minds to
the callings of any of these?
Nor may they imitate the neighing of horses, the bellowing of bulls, the
murmur of rivers and roll of the ocean, thunder, and all that sort of
thing?
Nay, he said, if madness be forbidden, neither may they copy the behaviour
of madmen.
You mean, I said, if I understand you aright, that there is one sort of
narrative style which may be employed by a truly Cgood man when he has
anything to say, and that another sort will be used by a man of an
opposite character and education.
And which are these two sorts? he asked.
Imitations which may be encouraged.
Suppose, I answered, that a just and good man in the course of a narration
comes on some saying or action of another good man,—I should imagine
that he will like to personate him, and will not be ashamed of this sort
of imitation: he will be most ready to play the part of the Dgood man when
he is acting firmly and wisely; in a less degree when he is overtaken by
illness or love or drink, or has met with any other disaster. But when he
comes to a character which is unworthy of him, he will not make a study of
that; he will disdain such a person, and will assume his likeness, if at
all, for a moment only when he is performing some good action; at other
times he will be ashamed to play a part which he has never practised, nor
will he like to fashion and frame himself after the baser models; he feels
the Eemployment of such an art, unless in jest, to be beneath him, and his
mind revolts at it.
So I should expect, he replied.
Then he will adopt a mode of narration such as we have illustrated out of
Homer, that is to say, his style will be both imitative and narrative; but
there will be very little of the former, and a great deal of the latter.
Do you agree?
Certainly, he said; that is the model which such a speaker 397must
necessarily take.
Imitations which are to be prohibited.
But there is another sort of character who will narrate anything, and, the
worse he is, the more unscrupulous he will be; nothing will be too bad for
him: and he will be ready to imitate anything, not as a joke, but in right
good earnest, and before a large company. As I was just now saying, he
will attempt to represent the roll of thunder, the noise of wind and hail,
or the creaking of wheels, and pulleys, and the various sounds of flutes,
pipes, trumpets, and all sorts of instruments: he will bark like a dog,
bleat like Ba sheep, or crow like a cock; his entire art will consist in
imitation of voice and gesture, and there will be very little narration.
That, he said, will be his mode of speaking.
These, then, are the two kinds of style?
Yes.
Two kinds of style—the one simple, the other multiplex. There is also a third which is a combination of the two.
And you would agree with me in saying that one of them is simple and has
but slight changes; and if the harmony and rhythm are also chosen for
their simplicity, the result is that the speaker, if he speaks correctly,
is always pretty much the same in style, and he will keep within the
limits of a single harmony (for the changes are not great), and in Clike
manner he will make use of nearly the same rhythm?
That is quite true, he said.
Whereas the other requires all sorts of harmonies and all sorts of
rhythms, if the music and the style are to correspond, because the style
has all sorts of changes.
That is also perfectly true, he replied.
And do not the two styles, or the mixture of the two, comprehend all
poetry, and every form of expression in words? No one can say anything
except in one or other of them or in both together.
They include all, he said.
D The simple style
alone is to be admitted in the State; the attractions of the mixed style
are acknowledged, but it appears to be excluded.
And shall we receive into our State all the three styles, or one only of
the two unmixed styles? or would you include the mixed?
I should prefer only to admit the pure imitator of virtue.
Yes, I said, Adeimantus, but the mixed style is also very charming: and
indeed the pantomimic, which is the opposite of the one chosen by you, is
the most popular style with children and their attendants, and with the
world in general.
I do not deny it.
But I suppose you would argue that such a style is unsuitable Eto our
State, in which human nature is not twofold or manifold, for one man plays
one part only?
Yes; quite unsuitable.
And this is the reason why in our State, and in our State only, we shall
find a shoemaker to be a shoemaker and not a pilot also, and a husbandman
to be a husbandman and not a dicast also, and a soldier a soldier and not
a trader also, and the same throughout?
True, he said.
398 The pantomimic artist is to receive great honours, but he is to be sent out of the country.
And therefore when any one of these pantomimic gentlemen, who are so
clever that they can imitate anything, comes to us, and makes a proposal
to exhibit himself and his poetry, we will fall down and worship him as a
sweet and holy and wonderful being; but we must also inform him that in
our State such as he are not permitted to exist; the law will not allow
them. And so when we have anointed him with myrrh, and set a garland of
wool upon his head, we shall send him away to another city. For we mean to
employ for Bour souls’ health the rougher and severer poet or story-teller,
who will imitate the style of the virtuous only, and will follow those
models which we prescribed at first when we began the education of our
soldiers.
We certainly will, he said, if we have the power.
Then now, my friend, I said, that part of music or literary education
which relates to the story or myth may be considered to be finished; for
the matter and manner have both been discussed.
I think so too, he said.
C
Next in order will follow melody and song.
That is obvious.
Every one can see already what we ought to say about them, if we are to be
consistent with ourselves.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
I fear, said Glaucon, laughing, that the word ‘every one’ hardly includes
me, for I cannot at the moment say what they should be; though I may
guess.
At any rate you can tell that a song or ode has three Dparts—the
words, the melody, and the rhythm; that degree of knowledge I may
presuppose?
Yes, he said; so much as that you may.
And as for the words, there will surely be no difference between words
which are and which are not set to music; both will conform to the same
laws, and these have been already determined by us?
Yes.
Melody and rhythm.
And the melody and rhythm will depend upon the words?
Certainly.
We were saying, when we spoke of the subject-matter, that we had no need
of lamentation and strains of sorrow?
True.
E
And which are the harmonies expressive of sorrow? You are musical, and can
tell me.
The harmonies which you mean are the mixed or tenor Lydian, and the
full-toned or bass Lydian, and such like.
These then, I said, must be banished; even to women who have a character
to maintain they are of no use, and much less to men.
Certainly.
In the next place, drunkenness and softness and indolence are utterly
unbecoming the character of our guardians.
Utterly unbecoming.
The relaxed melodies or harmonies are the Ionian and the Lydian. These are to be banished.
And which are the soft or drinking harmonies?
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The Ionian, he replied, and the Lydian; they are termed ‘relaxed.’
Well, and are these of any military use?
Quite the reverse, he replied; and if so the Dorian and the Phrygian are
the only ones which you have left.
I answered: Of the harmonies I know nothing, but I want to have one
warlike, to sound the note or accent which a brave man utters in the hour
of danger and stern resolve, or when his cause is failing, and he is going
to wounds or Bdeath or is overtaken by some other evil, and at every such
crisis meets the blows of fortune with firm step and a determination to
endure; and another to be used by him in times of peace and freedom of
action, when there is no pressure of necessity, and he is seeking to
persuade God by prayer, or man by instruction and admonition, or on the
other hand, when he is expressing his willingness to yield to persuasion
or entreaty or admonition, and which represents him when by prudent
conduct he has attained his end, not carried away by his success, but
acting moderately and wisely Cunder the circumstances, and acquiescing in
the event. These two harmonies I ask you to leave; the strain of necessity
and the strain of freedom, the strain of the unfortunate and the strain of
the fortunate, the strain of courage, and the strain of temperance; these,
I say, leave.
And these, he replied, are the Dorian and Phrygian harmonies of which I
was just now speaking.
The Dorian and Phrygian are to be retained.
Then, I said, if these and these only are to be used in our songs and
melodies, we shall not want multiplicity of notes or a panharmonic scale?
I suppose not.
Then we shall not maintain the artificers of lyres with three corners and
complex scales, or the makers of any other Dmany-stringed
curiously-harmonised instruments?
Certainly not.
Musical instruments—which are to be rejected and which allowed?
But what do you say to flute-makers and flute-players? Would you admit
them into our State when you reflect that in this composite use of harmony
the flute is worse than all the stringed instruments put together; even
the panharmonic music is only an imitation of the flute?
Clearly not.
There remain then only the lyre and the harp for use in the city, and the
shepherds may have a pipe in the country.
That is surely the conclusion to be drawn from the argument.
E
The preferring of Apollo and his instruments to Marsyas and his
instruments is not at all strange, I said.
Not at all, he replied.
And so, by the dog of Egypt, we have been unconsciously purging the State,
which not long ago we termed luxurious.
And we have done wisely, he replied.
Then let us now finish the purgation, I said. Next in order to harmonies,
rhythms will naturally follow, and they should be subject to the same
rules, for we ought not to seek out complex systems of metre, or metres of
every kind, but rather to discover what rhythms are the expressions of 400a
courageous and harmonious life; and when we have found them, we shall
adapt the foot and the melody to words having a like spirit, not the words
to the foot and melody. To say what these rhythms are will be your duty—you
must teach me them, as you have already taught me the harmonies.
Three kinds of rhythm as there are four notes of the tetrachord.
But, indeed, he replied, I cannot tell you. I only know that there are
some three principles of rhythm out of which metrical systems are framed,
just as in sounds there are four notes36 out of which all the harmonies are composed; that is an
observation which I have made. But of what sort of lives they are
severally the imitations I am unable to say.
B
Then, I said, we must take Damon into our counsels; and he will tell us
what rhythms are expressive of meanness, or insolence, or fury, or other
unworthiness, and what are to be reserved for the expression of opposite
feelings. And I think that I have an indistinct recollection of his
mentioning a complex Cretic rhythm; also a dactylic or heroic, and he
arranged them in some manner which I do not quite understand, making the
rhythms equal in the rise and fall of the foot, long and short
alternating; and, unless I am mistaken, he spoke of an iambic as well as
of a trochaic rhythm, Cand assigned to them short and long quantities.37 Also
in some cases he appeared to praise or censure the movement of the foot
quite as much as the rhythm; or perhaps a combination of the two; for I am
not certain what he meant. These matters, however, as I was saying, had
better be referred to Damon himself, for the analysis of the subject would
be difficult, you know?
Rather so, I should say.
But there is no difficulty in seeing that grace or the absence of grace is
an effect of good or bad rhythm.
None at all.
D Rhythm and harmony follow style, and style is the expression of the soul.
And also that good and bad rhythm naturally assimilate to a good and bad
style; and that harmony and discord in like manner follow style; for our
principle is that rhythm and harmony are regulated by the words, and not
the words by them.
Just so, he said, they should follow the words.
And will not the words and the character of the style depend on the temper
of the soul?
Yes.
And everything else on the style?
Yes.
Simplicity the great first principle;
Then beauty of style and harmony and grace and good Erhythm depend on
simplicity,—I mean the true simplicity of a rightly and nobly
ordered mind and character, not that other simplicity which is only an
euphemism for folly?
Very true, he replied.
And if our youth are to do their work in life, must they not make these
graces and harmonies their perpetual aim?
They must.
401 and a principle which is widely spread in nature and art.
And surely the art of the painter and every other creative and
constructive art are full of them,—weaving, embroidery,
architecture, and every kind of manufacture; also nature, animal and
vegetable,—in all of them there is grace or the absence of grace.
And ugliness and discord and inharmonious motion are nearly allied to ill
words and ill nature, as grace and harmony are the twin sisters of
goodness and virtue and bear their likeness.
That is quite true, he said.
B Our citizens must grow up to manhood amidst impressions of grace and beauty only; all ugliness and vice must be excluded.
But shall our superintendence go no further, and are the poets only to be
required by us to express the image of the good in their works, on pain,
if they do anything else, of expulsion from our State? Or is the same
control to be extended to other artists, and are they also to be
prohibited from exhibiting the opposite forms of vice and intemperance and
meanness and indecency in sculpture and building and the other creative
arts; and is he who cannot conform to this rule of ours to be prevented
from practising his art in our State, lest the taste of our citizens be
corrupted by him? We would not have our guardians grow up amid images of
moral deformity, as in some noxious pasture, and there Cbrowse and feed
upon many a baneful herb and flower day by day, little by little, until
they silently gather a festering mass of corruption in their own soul. Let
our artists rather be those who are gifted to discern the true nature of
the beautiful and graceful; then will our youth dwell in a land of health,
amid fair sights and sounds, and receive the good in everything; and
beauty, the effluence of fair works, shall Dflow into the eye and ear, like
a health-giving breeze from a purer region, and insensibly draw the soul
from earliest years into likeness and sympathy with the beauty of reason.
There can be no nobler training than that, he replied.
The power of imparting grace is possessed by harmony.
And therefore, I said, Glaucon, musical training is a more potent
instrument than any other, because rhythm and harmony find their way into
the inward places of the soul, on which they mightily fasten, imparting
grace, and making the soul of him who is rightly educated graceful, or of
him who Eis ill-educated ungraceful; and also because he who has received
this true education of the inner being will most shrewdly perceive
omissions or faults in art and nature, and 402with a true taste, while he
praises and rejoices over and receives into his soul the good, and becomes
noble and good, he will justly blame and hate the bad, now in the days of
his youth, even before he is able to know the reason why; and when reason
comes he will recognise and salute the friend with whom his education has
made him long familiar.
Yes, he said, I quite agree with you in thinking that our youth should be
trained in music and on the grounds which you mention.
Just as in learning to read, I said, we were satisfied when we knew the
letters of the alphabet, which are very few, in all their recurring sizes
and combinations; not slighting them Bas unimportant whether they occupy a
space large or small, but everywhere eager to make them out; and not
thinking ourselves perfect in the art of reading until we recognise them
wherever they are found38:
True—
Or, as we recognise the reflection of letters in the water, or in a
mirror, only when we know the letters themselves; the same art and study
giving us the knowledge of both:
Exactly—
The true musician must know the essential forms of virtue and vice.
Even so, as I maintain, neither we nor our guardians, whom Cwe have to
educate, can ever become musical until we and they know the essential
forms of temperance, courage, liberality, magnificence, and their kindred,
as well as the contrary forms, in all their combinations, and can
recognise them and their images wherever they are found, not slighting
them either in small things or great, but believing them all to be within
the sphere of one art and study.
Most assuredly.
D The harmony of soul and body the fairest of sights.
And when a beautiful soul harmonizes with a beautiful form, and the two
are cast in one mould, that will be the fairest of sights to him who has
an eye to see it?
The fairest indeed.
And the fairest is also the loveliest?
That may be assumed.
And the man who has the spirit of harmony will be most in love with the
loveliest; but he will not love him who is of an inharmonious soul?
The true lover will not mind defects of the person.
That is true, he replied, if the deficiency be in his soul; but if there
be any merely bodily defect in another he will Ebe patient of it, and will
love all the same.
I perceive, I said, that you have or have had experiences of this sort,
and I agree. But let me ask you another question: Has excess of pleasure
any affinity to temperance?
How can that be? he replied; pleasure deprives a man of the use of his
faculties quite as much as pain.
Or any affinity to virtue in general?
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None whatever.
Any affinity to wantonness and intemperance?
Yes, the greatest.
And is there any greater or keener pleasure than that of sensual love?
No, nor a madder.
True love is temperate and harmonious.
Whereas true love is a love of beauty and order—temperate and
harmonious?
Quite true, he said.
Then no intemperance or madness should be allowed to approach true love?
Certainly not.
B True love is free from sensuality and coarseness.
Then mad or intemperate pleasure must never be allowed to come near the
lover and his beloved; neither of them can have any part in it if their
love is of the right sort?
No, indeed, Socrates, it must never come near them.
Then I suppose that in the city which we are founding you would make a law
to the effect that a friend should use no other familiarity to his love
than a father would use to his son, and then only for a noble purpose, and
he must first have the other’s consent; and this rule is to limit him in
Call his intercourse, and he is never to be seen going further, or, if he
exceeds, he is to be deemed guilty of coarseness and bad taste.
I quite agree, he said.
Thus much of music, which makes a fair ending; for what should be the end
of music if not the love of beauty?
I agree, he said.
Gymnastic.
After music comes gymnastic, in which our youth are next to be trained.
Certainly.
Gymnastic as well as music should begin in early years; the training in it
should be careful and should continue through life. DNow my belief is,—and
this is a matter upon which I should like to have your opinion in
confirmation of my own, but my own belief is,—not that the good body
by any bodily excellence improves the soul, but, on the contrary, that the
good soul, by her own excellence, improves the body as far as this may be
possible. What do you say?
Yes, I agree.
The body to be entrusted to the mind.
Then, to the mind when adequately trained, we shall be right in handing
over the more particular care of the body; Eand in order to avoid prolixity
we will now only give the general outlines of the subject.
Very good.
That they must abstain from intoxication has been already remarked by us;
for of all persons a guardian should be the last to get drunk and not know
where in the world he is.
Yes, he said; that a guardian should require another guardian to take care
of him is ridiculous indeed.
But next, what shall we say of their food; for the men are in training for
the great contest of all—are they not?
Yes, he said.
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And will the habit of body of our ordinary athletes be suited to them?
Why not?
The usual training of athletes too gross and sleepy.
I am afraid, I said, that a habit of body such as they have is but a
sleepy sort of thing, and rather perilous to health. Do you not observe
that these athletes sleep away their lives, and are liable to most
dangerous illnesses if they depart, in ever so slight a degree, from their
customary regimen?
Yes, I do.
Then, I said, a finer sort of training will be required for our warrior
athletes, who are to be like wakeful dogs, and to see and hear with the
utmost keenness; amid the many changes of water and also of food, of
summer heat and winter Bcold, which they will have to endure when on a
campaign, they must not be liable to break down in health.
That is my view.
The really excellent gymnastic is twin sister of that simple music which
we were just now describing.
How so?
Military gymnastic.
Why, I conceive that there is a gymnastic which, like our music, is simple
and good; and especially the military gymnastic.
What do you mean?
My meaning may be learned from Homer; he, you know, feeds his heroes at
their feasts, when they are campaigning, on soldiers’ fare; they have no
fish, although they are on Cthe shores of the Hellespont, and they are not
allowed boiled meats but only roast, which is the food most convenient for
soldiers, requiring only that they should light a fire, and not involving
the trouble of carrying about pots and pans.
True.
And I can hardly be mistaken in saying that sweet sauces are nowhere
mentioned in Homer. In proscribing them, however, he is not singular; all
professional athletes are well aware that a man who is to be in good
condition should take nothing of the kind.
Yes, he said; and knowing this, they are quite right in not taking them.
D Syracusan dinners and Corinthian courtezans are prohibited.
Then you would not approve of Syracusan dinners, and the refinements of
Sicilian cookery?
I think not.
Nor, if a man is to be in condition, would you allow him to have a
Corinthian girl as his fair friend?
Certainly not.
Neither would you approve of the delicacies, as they are thought, of
Athenian confectionary?
Certainly not.
The luxurious style of living may be justly compared to the panharmonic strain of music.
All such feeding and living may be rightly compared by us Eto melody and
song composed in the panharmonic style, and in all the rhythms.
Exactly.
There complexity engendered licence, and here disease; whereas simplicity
in music was the parent of temperance in the soul; and simplicity in
gymnastic of health in the body.
Most true, he said.
405
But when intemperance and diseases multiply in a State, halls of justice
and medicine are always being opened; and the arts of the doctor and the
lawyer give themselves airs, finding how keen is the interest which not
only the slaves but the freemen of a city take about them.
Of course.
Every man should be his own doctor and lawyer.
And yet what greater proof can there be of a bad and disgraceful state of
education than this, that not only artisans and the meaner sort of people
need the skill of first-rate physicians and judges, but also those who
would profess to Bhave had a liberal education? Is it not disgraceful, and
a great sign of want of good-breeding, that a man should have to go abroad
for his law and physic because he has none of his own at home, and must
therefore surrender himself into the hands of other men whom he makes
lords and judges over him?
Of all things, he said, the most disgraceful.
Bad as it is to go to law, it is still worse to be a lover of litigation.
Would you say ‘most,’ I replied, when you consider that there is a further
stage of the evil in which a man is not only a life-long litigant, passing
all his days in the courts, either as plaintiff or defendant, but is
actually led by his bad taste to pride himself on his litigiousness; he
imagines that he is Ca master in dishonesty; able to take every crooked
turn, and wriggle into and out of every hole, bending like a withy and
getting out of the way of justice: and all for what?—in order to
gain small points not worth mentioning, he not knowing that so to order
his life as to be able to do without a napping judge is a far higher and
nobler sort of thing. Is not that still more disgraceful?
Yes, he said, that is still more disgraceful.
Bad also to require the help of medicine.
Well, I said, and to require the help of medicine, not when a wound has to
be cured, or on occasion of an epidemic, but Djust because, by indolence
and a habit of life such as we have been describing, men fill themselves
with waters and winds, as if their bodies were a marsh, compelling the
ingenious sons of Asclepius to find more names for diseases, such as
flatulence and catarrh; is not this, too, a disgrace?
Yes, he said, they do certainly give very strange and newfangled names to
diseases.
In the time of Asclepius and of Homer the practice of medicine was very simple.
Yes, I said, and I do not believe that there were any such Ediseases in the
days of Asclepius; and this I infer from the circumstance that the hero
Eurypylus, after he has been wounded in Homer, drinks a posset of Pramnian
wine well 406besprinkled with barley-meal and grated cheese, which are
certainly inflammatory, and yet the sons of Asclepius who were at the
Trojan war do not blame the damsel who gives him the drink, or rebuke
Patroclus, who is treating his case.
Well, he said, that was surely an extraordinary drink to be given to a
person in his condition.
The nursing of disease began with Herodicus.
Not so extraordinary, I replied, if you bear in mind that in former days,
as is commonly said, before the time of Herodicus, the guild of Asclepius
did not practise our present system of medicine, which may be said to
educate diseases. But Herodicus, being a trainer, and himself of a sickly
constitution, by a combination of training and doctoring found Bout a way
of torturing first and chiefly himself, and secondly the rest of the
world.
How was that? he said.
By the invention of lingering death; for he had a mortal disease which he
perpetually tended, and as recovery was out of the question, he passed his
entire life as a valetudinarian; he could do nothing but attend upon
himself, and he was in constant torment whenever he departed in anything
from his usual regimen, and so dying hard, by the help of science he
struggled on to old age.
A rare reward of his skill!
C
Yes, I said; a reward which a man might fairly expect who never understood
that, if Asclepius did not instruct his descendants in valetudinarian
arts, the omission arose, not from ignorance or inexperience of such a
branch of medicine, but because he knew that in all well-ordered states
every individual has an occupation to which he must attend, and has
therefore no leisure to spend in continually being ill. This we remark in
the case of the artisan, but, ludicrously enough, do not apply the same
rule to people of the richer sort.
How do you mean? he said.
D The working-man has no time for tedious remedies.
I mean this: When a carpenter is ill he asks the physician for a rough and
ready cure; an emetic or a purge or a cautery or the knife,—these
are his remedies. And if some one prescribes for him a course of
dietetics, and tells him that he must swathe and swaddle his head, and all
that sort of thing, he replies at once that he has no time to be ill, and
that he sees no good in a life which is spent in nursing his disease to
the neglect of his customary employment; and therefore Ebidding good-bye to
this sort of physician, he resumes his ordinary habits, and either gets
well and lives and does his business, or, if his constitution fails, he
dies and has no more trouble.
Yes, he said, and a man in his condition of life ought to use the art of
medicine thus far only.
407
Has he not, I said, an occupation; and what profit would there be in his
life if he were deprived of his occupation?
Quite true, he said.
But with the rich man this is otherwise; of him we do not say that he has
any specially appointed work which he must perform, if he would live.
He is generally supposed to have nothing to do.
Then you never heard of the saying of Phocylides, that as soon as a man
has a livelihood he should practise virtue?
Nay, he said, I think that he had better begin somewhat sooner.
The slow cure equally an impediment to the mechanical arts, to the practice of virtue
Let us not have a dispute with him about this, I said; but rather ask
ourselves: Is the practice of virtue obligatory on Bthe rich man, or can he
live without it? And if obligatory on him, then let us raise a further
question, whether this dieting of disorders, which is an impediment to the
application of the mind in carpentering and the mechanical arts, does not
equally stand in the way of the sentiment of Phocylides?
Of that, he replied, there can be no doubt; such excessive care of the
body, when carried beyond the rules of gymnastic, is most inimical to the
practice of virtue.
and to any kind of study or thought.
39Yes, indeed, I replied, and equally incompatible with the management of a
house, an army, or an office of state; and, what is most important of all,
irreconcileable with any kind Cof study or thought or self-reflection—there
is a constant suspicion that headache and giddiness are to be ascribed to
philosophy, and hence all practising or making trial of virtue in the
higher sense is absolutely stopped; for a man is always fancying that he
is being made ill, and is in constant anxiety about the state of his body.
Yes, likely enough.
Asclepius would not cure diseased constitutions because they were of no use to the State.
And therefore our politic Asclepius may be supposed to have exhibited the
power of his art only to persons who, being generally of healthy
constitution and habits of life, had Da definite ailment; such as these he
cured by purges and operations, and bade them live as usual, herein
consulting the interests of the State; but bodies which disease had
penetrated through and through he would not have attempted to cure by
gradual processes of evacuation and infusion: he did not want to lengthen
out good-for-nothing lives, or to have weak fathers begetting weaker sons;—if
a man was not able to live in the ordinary way he had no business to cure
him; Efor such a cure would have been of no use either to himself, or to
the State.
Then, he said, you regard Asclepius as a statesman.
The case of Menelaus, who was attended by the sons of Asclepius.
Clearly; and his character is further illustrated by his sons. 408Note that
they were heroes in the days of old and practised the medicines of which I
am speaking at the siege of Troy: You will remember how, when Pandarus
wounded Menelaus, they
‘Sucked the blood out of the wound, and sprinkled soothing remedies40,’
but they never prescribed what the patient was afterwards to eat or drink
in the case of Menelaus, any more than in the case of Eurypylus; the
remedies, as they conceived, were enough to heal any man who before he was
wounded was Bhealthy and regular in his habits; and even though he did
happen to drink a posset of Pramnian wine, he might get well all the same.
But they would have nothing to do with unhealthy and intemperate subjects,
whose lives were of no use either to themselves or others; the art of
medicine was not designed for their good, and though they were as rich as
Midas, the sons of Asclepius would have declined to attend them.
They were very acute persons, those sons of Asclepius.
The offence of Asclepius.
Naturally so, I replied. Nevertheless, the tragedians and Pindar
disobeying our behests, although they acknowledge that Asclepius was the
son of Apollo, say also that he was bribed into healing a rich man who was
at the point of Cdeath, and for this reason he was struck by lightning. But
we, in accordance with the principle already affirmed by us, will not
believe them when they tell us both;—if he was the son of a god, we
maintain that he was not avaricious; or, if he was avaricious, he was not
the son of a god.
All that, Socrates, is excellent; but I should like to put a question to
you: Ought there not to be good physicians in a State, and are not the
best those who have treated the Dgreatest number of constitutions good and
bad? and are not the best judges in like manner those who are acquainted
with all sorts of moral natures?
Yes, I said, I too would have good judges and good physicians. But do you
know whom I think good?
Will you tell me?
I will, if I can. Let me however note that in the same question you join
two things which are not the same.
How so? he asked.
The physician should have experience of illness in his own person;
Why, I said, you join physicians and judges. Now the most skilful
physicians are those who, from their youth upwards, have combined with the
knowledge of their art Ethe greatest experience of disease; they had better
not be robust in health, and should have had all manner of diseases in
their own persons. For the body, as I conceive, is not the instrument with
which they cure the body; in that case we could not allow them ever to be
or to have been sickly; but they cure the body with the mind, and the mind
which has become and is sick can cure nothing.
That is very true, he said.
409 on the other hand, the judge should not learn to know evil by the practice of it, but by long observation of evil in others.
But with the judge it is otherwise; since he governs mind by mind; he
ought not therefore to have been trained among vicious minds, and to have
associated with them from youth upwards, and to have gone through the
whole calendar of crime, only in order that he may quickly infer the
crimes of others as he might their bodily diseases from his own
self-consciousness; the honourable mind which is to form a healthy
judgment should have had no experience or contamination of evil habits
when young. And this is the reason why in youth good men often appear to
be simple, and are Beasily practised upon by the dishonest, because they
have no examples of what evil is in their own souls.
Yes, he said, they are far too apt to be deceived.
Therefore, I said, the judge should not be young; he should have learned
to know evil, not from his own soul, but from late and long observation of
the nature of evil in others: Cknowledge should be his guide, not personal
experience.
Yes, he said, that is the ideal of a judge.
Such a knowledge of human nature far better and truer than that of the adept in crime.
Yes, I replied, and he will be a good man (which is my answer to your
question); for he is good who has a good soul. But the cunning and
suspicious nature of which we spoke,—he who has committed many
crimes, and fancies himself to be a master in wickedness, when he is
amongst his fellows, is wonderful in the precautions which he takes,
because he judges of them by himself: but when he gets into the company of
men of virtue, who have the experience of age, he appears to be a fool
again, owing to his unseasonable suspicions; Dhe cannot recognise an honest
man, because he has no pattern of honesty in himself; at the same time, as
the bad are more numerous than the good, and he meets with them oftener,
he thinks himself, and is by others thought to be, rather wise than
foolish.
Most true, he said.
Then the good and wise judge whom we are seeking is not this man, but the
other; for vice cannot know virtue too, but a virtuous nature, educated by
time, will acquire a knowledge Eboth of virtue and vice: the virtuous, and
not the vicious, man has wisdom—in my opinion.
And in mine also.
This is the sort of medicine, and this is the sort of law, which you will
sanction in your state. They will minister to 410better natures, giving
health both of soul and of body; but those who are diseased in their
bodies they will leave to die, and the corrupt and incurable souls they
will put an end to themselves.
That is clearly the best thing both for the patients and for the State.
And thus our youth, having been educated only in that simple music which,
as we said, inspires temperance, will be reluctant to go to law.
Clearly.
B
And the musician, who, keeping to the same track, is content to practise
the simple gymnastic, will have nothing to do with medicine unless in some
extreme case.
That I quite believe.
The very exercises and tolls which he undergoes are intended to stimulate
the spirited element of his nature, and not to increase his strength; he
will not, like common athletes, use exercise and regimen to develope his
muscles.
Very right, he said.
C Music and gymnastic are equally designed for the improvement of the mind.
Neither are the two arts of music and gymnastic really designed, as is
often supposed, the one for the training of the soul, the other for the
training of the body.
What then is the real object of them?
I believe, I said, that the teachers of both have in view chiefly the
improvement of the soul.
How can that be? he asked.
Did you never observe, I said, the effect on the mind itself of exclusive
devotion to gymnastic, or the opposite effect of an exclusive devotion to
music?
In what way shown? he said.
D The mere athlete must be softened, and the philosophic nature prevented from becoming too soft
The one producing a temper of hardness and ferocity, the other of softness
and effeminacy, I replied.
Yes, he said, I am quite aware that the mere athlete becomes too much of a
savage, and that the mere musician is melted and softened beyond what is
good for him.
Yet surely, I said, this ferocity only comes from spirit, which, if
rightly educated, would give courage, but, if too much intensified, is
liable to become hard and brutal.
That I quite think.
E
On the other hand the philosopher will have the quality of gentleness. And
this also, when too much indulged, will turn to softness, but, if educated
rightly, will be gentle and moderate.
True.
And in our opinion the guardians ought to have both these qualities?
Assuredly.
And both should be in harmony?
Beyond question.
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And the harmonious soul is both temperate and courageous?
Yes.
And the inharmonious is cowardly and boorish?
Very true.
Music, if carried too far, renders the weaker nature effeminate, the stronger irritable.
And, when a man allows music to play upon him and to pour into his soul
through the funnel of his ears those sweet and soft and melancholy airs of
which we were just now speaking, and his whole life is passed in warbling
and the delights of song; in the first stage of the process the passion or
spirit which is in him is tempered like iron, and made Buseful, instead of
brittle and useless. But, if he carries on the softening and soothing
process, in the next stage he begins to melt and waste, until he has
wasted away his spirit and cut out the sinews of his soul; and he becomes
a feeble warrior.
Very true.
If the element of spirit is naturally weak in him the change is speedily
accomplished, but if he have a good deal, then the power of music
weakening the spirit renders him excitable;—on the least provocation
he flames up at once, and is Cspeedily extinguished; instead of having
spirit he grows irritable and passionate and is quite impracticable.
Exactly.
And in like manner the well-fed athlete, if he have no education, degenerates into a wild beast.
And so in gymnastics, if a man takes violent exercise and is a great
feeder, and the reverse of a great student of music and philosophy, at
first the high condition of his body fills him with pride and spirit, and
he becomes twice the man that he was.
Certainly.
And what happens? if he do nothing else, and holds no Dconverse with the
Muses, does not even that intelligence which there may be in him, having
no taste of any sort of learning or enquiry or thought or culture, grow
feeble and dull and blind, his mind never waking up or receiving
nourishment, and his senses not being purged of their mists?
True, he said.
And he ends by becoming a hater of philosophy, uncivilized, never using
the weapon of persuasion,—he is like a wild Ebeast, all violence and
fierceness, and knows no other way of dealing; and he lives in all
ignorance and evil conditions, and has no sense of propriety and grace.
That is quite true, he said.
And as there are two principles of human nature, one the spirited and the
other the philosophical, some God, as I should say, has given mankind two
arts answering to them (and only indirectly to the soul and body), in
order that these 412two principles (like the strings of an instrument) may be
relaxed or drawn tighter until they are duly harmonized.
That appears to be the intention.
Music to be mingled with gymnastic, and both attempered to the individual soul.
And he who mingles music with gymnastic in the fairest proportions, and
best attempers them to the soul, may be rightly called the true musician
and harmonist in a far higher sense than the tuner of the strings.
You are quite right, Socrates.
And such a presiding genius will be always required in our State if the
government is to last.
B
Yes, he will be absolutely necessary.
Enough of principles of education: who are to be our rulers?
Such, then, are our principles of nurture and education: Where would be
the use of going into further details about the dances of our citizens, or
about their hunting and coursing, their gymnastic and equestrian contests?
For these all follow the general principle, and having found that, we
shall have no difficulty in discovering them.
I dare say that there will be no difficulty.
Very good, I said; then what is the next question? Must we not ask who are
to be rulers and who subjects?
C
Certainly.
The elder must rule and the younger serve.
There can be no doubt that the elder must rule the younger.
Clearly.
And that the best of these must rule.
That is also clear.
Now, are not the best husbandmen those who are most devoted to husbandry?
Yes.
And as we are to have the best of guardians for our city, must they not be
those who have most the character of guardians?
Yes.
And to this end they ought to be wise and efficient, and to have a special
care of the State?
D
True.
Those are to be appointed rulers who have been tested in all the stages of their life;
And a man will be most likely to care about that which he loves?
To be sure.
And he will be most likely to love that which he regards as having the
same interests with himself, and that of which the good or evil fortune is
supposed by him at any time most to affect his own?
Very true, he replied.
Then there must be a selection. Let us note among the guardians those who
in their whole life show the greatest Eeagerness to do what is for the good
of their country, and the greatest repugnance to do what is against her
interests.
Those are the right men.
And they will have to be watched at every age, in order that we may see
whether they preserve their resolution, and never, under the influence
either of force or enchantment, forget or cast off their sense of duty to
the State.
How cast off? he said.
I will explain to you, I replied. A resolution may go out of a man’s mind
either with his will or against his will; with 413his will when he gets rid
of a falsehood and learns better, against his will whenever he is deprived
of a truth.
I understand, he said, the willing loss of a resolution; the meaning of
the unwilling I have yet to learn.
Why, I said, do you not see that men are unwillingly deprived of good, and
willingly of evil? Is not to have lost the truth an evil, and to possess
the truth a good? and you would agree that to conceive things as they are
is to possess the truth?
Yes, he replied; I agree with you in thinking that mankind are deprived of
truth against their will.
B
And is not this involuntary deprivation caused either by theft, or force,
or enchantment?
Still, he replied, I do not understand you.
and who are unchanged by the influence either of pleasure, or of fear,
I fear that I must have been talking darkly, like the tragedians. I only
mean that some men are changed by persuasion and that others forget;
argument steals away the hearts of one class, and time of the other; and
this I call theft. Now you understand me?
Yes.
Those again who are forced, are those whom the violence of some pain or
grief compels to change their opinion.
I understand, he said, and you are quite right.
C or of enchantments.
And you would also acknowledge that the enchanted are those who change
their minds either under the softer influence of pleasure, or the sterner
influence of fear?
Yes, he said; everything that deceives may be said to enchant.
Therefore, as I was just now saying, we must enquire who are the best
guardians of their own conviction that what they think the interest of the
State is to be the rule of their lives. We must watch them from their
youth upwards, and make them perform actions in which they are most likely
to forget or to be deceived, and he who remembers and is not deceived Dis
to be selected, and he who fails in the trial is to be rejected. That will
be the way?
Yes.
And there should also be toils and pains and conflicts prescribed for
them, in which they will be made to give further proof of the same
qualities.
Very right, he replied.
And then, I said, we must try them with enchantments—that is the
third sort of test—and see what will be their behaviour: like those
who take colts amid noise and tumult to see if they are of a timid nature,
so must we take our youth amid terrors of some kind, and again pass them
into pleasures, Eand prove them more thoroughly than gold is proved in the
furnace, that we may discover whether they are armed against all
enchantments, and of a noble bearing always, good guardians of themselves
and of the music which they have learned, and retaining under all
circumstances a rhythmical and harmonious nature, such as will be most
serviceable to the individual and to the State. If they stand the test they are to be honoured in life and after death.And he who at every age,
as boy and youth and in mature life, has come out of the trial victorious
and pure, shall be appointed 414a ruler and guardian of the State; he shall
be honoured in life and death, and shall receive sepulture and other
memorials of honour, the greatest that we have to give. But him who fails,
we must reject. I am inclined to think that this is the sort of way in
which our rulers and guardians should be chosen and appointed. I speak
generally, and not with any pretension to exactness.
And, speaking generally, I agree with you, he said.
B The title of guardians to be reserved for the elders, the young men to be called auxiliaries.
And perhaps the word ‘guardian’ in the fullest sense ought to be applied
to this higher class only who preserve us against foreign enemies and
maintain peace among our citizens at home, that the one may not have the
will, or the others the power, to harm us. The young men whom we before
called guardians may be more properly designated auxiliaries and
supporters of the principles of the rulers.
I agree with you, he said.
How then may we devise one of those needful falsehoods of which we lately
spoke—just one royal lie which may Cdeceive the rulers, if that be
possible, and at any rate the rest of the city?
What sort of lie? he said.
The Phoenician tale.
Nothing new, I replied; only an old Phoenician41 tale of what has
often occurred before now in other places, (as the poets say, and have
made the world believe) though not in our time, and I do not know whether
such an event could ever happen again, or could now even be made probable,
if it did.
How your words seem to hesitate on your lips!
You will not wonder, I replied, at my hesitation when you have heard.
Speak, he said, and fear not.
D The citizens to be told that they are really autochthonous, sent up out of the earth,
Well then, I will speak, although I really know not how to look you in the
face, or in what words to utter the audacious fiction, which I propose to
communicate gradually, first to the rulers, then to the soldiers, and
lastly to the people. They are to be told that their youth was a dream,
and the education and training which they received from us, an appearance
only; in reality during all that time they were being formed and fed in
the womb of the earth, where they Ethemselves and their arms and
appurtenances were manufactured; when they were completed, the earth,
their mother, sent them up; and so, their country being their mother and
also their nurse, they are bound to advise for her good, and to defend her
against attacks, and her citizens they are to regard as children of the
earth and their own brothers.
You had good reason, he said, to be ashamed of the lie which you were
going to tell.
415 and composed of metals of various quality.
True, I replied, but there is more coming; I have only told you half.
Citizens, we shall say to them in our tale, you are brothers, yet God has
framed you differently. Some of you have the power of command, and in the
composition of these he has mingled gold, wherefore also they have the
greatest honour; others he has made of silver, to be auxiliaries; others
again who are to be husbandmen and craftsmen he has composed of brass and
iron; and the species will generally be preserved in the children. But as
all are of the same original stock, a golden parent will sometimes have a
Bsilver son, or a silver parent a golden son. And God proclaims as a first
principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which
they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good
guardians, as of the purity of the race. The noble quality to rise in the State, the ignoble to descend.They should observe what elements
mingle in their offspring; for if the son of a golden or silver parent has
an admixture of brass and iron, then nature orders Ca transposition of
ranks, and the eye of the ruler must not be pitiful towards the child
because he has to descend in the scale and become a husbandman or artisan,
just as there may be sons of artisans who having an admixture of gold or
silver in them are raised to honour, and become guardians or auxiliaries.
For an oracle says that when a man of brass or iron guards the State, it
will be destroyed. Is such a fiction credible?—Yes, in a future generation; not in the present.Such is the tale; is there any possibility of making
our citizens believe in it?
D
Not in the present generation, he replied; there is no way of
accomplishing this; but their sons may be made to believe in the tale, and
their sons’ sons, and posterity after them.
I see the difficulty, I replied; yet the fostering of such a belief will
make them care more for the city and for one another. Enough, however, of
the fiction, which may now fly abroad upon the wings of rumour, while we
arm our earth-born heroes, and lead them forth under the command of their
rulers. The selection of a site for the warriors’ camp.Let them look round and select a spot whence they can best
suppress insurrection, if any prove refractory Ewithin, and also defend
themselves against enemies, who like wolves may come down on the fold from
without; there let them encamp, and when they have encamped, let them
sacrifice to the proper Gods and prepare their dwellings.
Just so, he said.
And their dwellings must be such as will shield them against the cold of
winter and the heat of summer.
I suppose that you mean houses, he replied.
Yes, I said; but they must be the houses of soldiers, and not of
shop-keepers.
What is the difference? he said.
416 The warriors must be humanized by education.
That I will endeavour to explain, I replied. To keep watch-dogs, who, from
want of discipline or hunger, or some evil habit or other, would turn upon
the sheep and worry them, and behave not like dogs but wolves, would be a
foul and monstrous thing in a shepherd?
Truly monstrous, he said.
B
And therefore every care must be taken that our auxiliaries, being
stronger than our citizens, may not grow to be too much for them and
become savage tyrants instead of friends and allies?
Yes, great care should be taken.
And would not a really good education furnish the best safeguard?
But they are well-educated already, he replied.
I cannot be so confident, my dear Glaucon, I said; I am much more certain
that they ought to be, and that true Ceducation, whatever that may be, will
have the greatest tendency to civilize and humanize them in their
relations to one another, and to those who are under their protection.
Very true, he replied.
And not only their education, but their habitations, and all that belongs
to them, should be such as will neither impair their virtue as guardians,
nor tempt them to prey upon the other citizens. DAny man of sense must
acknowledge that.
He must.
Their way of life will be that of a camp
Then now let us consider what will be their way of life, if they are to
realize our idea of them. In the first place, none of them should have any
property of his own beyond what is absolutely necessary; neither should
they have a private house or store closed against any one who has a mind
to enter; their provisions should be only such as are required by trained
warriors, who are men of temperance and courage; Ethey should agree to
receive from the citizens a fixed rate of pay, enough to meet the expenses
of the year and no more; and they will go to mess and live together like
soldiers in a camp. Gold and silver we will tell them that they have from
God; the diviner metal is within them, and they have therefore no need of
the dross which is current among men, and ought not to pollute the divine
by any 417such earthly admixture; for that commoner metal has been the source
of many unholy deeds, but their own is undefiled. And they alone of all
the citizens may not touch or handle silver or gold, or be under the same
roof with them, or wear them, or drink from them. And this will be their
salvation, and they will be the saviours of the State. They must have no homes or property of their own.But should they
ever acquire homes or lands or moneys of their own, they will become
housekeepers and husbandmen instead of guardians, Benemies and tyrants
instead of allies of the other citizens; hating and being hated, plotting
and being plotted against, they will pass their whole life in much greater
terror of internal than of external enemies, and the hour of ruin, both to
themselves and to the rest of the State, will be at hand. For all which
reasons may we not say that thus shall our State be ordered, and that
these shall be the regulations appointed by us for guardians concerning
their houses and all other matters?
Yes, said Glaucon.
Steph.
419Republic IV.
ADEIMANTUS, SOCRATES.
An objection that Socrates has made his citizens poor and miserable:
HERE Adeimantus interposed a question: How would you answer, Socrates,
said he, if a person were to say that you are making1 these people
miserable, and that they are the cause of their own unhappiness; the city
in fact belongs to them, but they are none the better for it; whereas
other men acquire lands, and build large and handsome houses, and have
everything handsome about them, offering sacrifices to the gods on their
own account, and practising hospitality; moreover, as you were saying just
now, they have gold and silver, and all that is usual among the favourites
of fortune; but our poor citizens are no better than mercenaries who are
quartered in the city and are always mounting guard?
420and worst of all, adds Socrates, they have no money.
Yes, I said; and you may add that they are only fed, and not paid in
addition to their food, like other men; and therefore they cannot, if they
would, take a journey of pleasure; they have no money to spend on a
mistress or any other luxurious fancy, which, as the world goes, is
thought to be happiness; and many other accusations of the same nature
might be added.
But, said he, let us suppose all this to be included in the charge.
B
You mean to ask, I said, what will be our answer?
Yes.
Yet very likely they may be the happiest of mankind.
If we proceed along the old path, my belief, I said, is that we shall find
the answer. And our answer will be that, even as they are, our guardians
may very likely be the happiest of men; but that our aim in founding the
State was not the disproportionate happiness of any one class, but the
greatest happiness of the whole; we thought that in a State which is
ordered with a view to the good of the whole we should be most likely to
find justice, and in the ill-ordered CState injustice: and, having found
them, we might then decide which of the two is the happier. At present, I
take it, we are fashioning the happy State, not piecemeal, or with a view
of making a few happy citizens, but as a whole; and by-and-by we will
proceed to view the opposite kind of State. The State, like a statue, must be judged of as a whole.Suppose that we were painting
a statue, and some one came up to us and said, Why do you not put the most
beautiful colours on the most beautiful parts of the body—the eyes
ought to be purple, but you have made them black—to him Dwe might
fairly answer, Sir, you would not surely have us beautify the eyes to such
a degree that they are no longer eyes; consider rather whether, by giving
this and the other features their due proportion, we make the whole
beautiful. And so I say to you, do not compel us to assign to the
guardians a sort of happiness which will make them anything but guardians;
Efor we too can clothe our husbandmen in royal apparel, and set crowns of
gold on their heads, and bid them till the ground as much as they like,
and no more. Our potters also might be allowed to repose on couches, and
feast by the fireside, passing round the winecup, while their wheel is
conveniently at hand, and working at pottery only as much as they like; in
this way we might make every class happy—and then, as you imagine,
the whole State would be happy. But do not put this idea into our heads;
for, 421if we listen to you, the husbandman will be no longer a husbandman,
the potter will cease to be a potter, and no one will have the character
of any distinct class in the State. Now this is not of much consequence
where the corruption of society, and pretension to be what you are not, is
confined to cobblers; but when the guardians of the laws and of the
government are only seeming and not real guardians, then see how they turn
the State upside down; and on the other hand they alone have the power of
giving order and happiness to the State. The guardians must be guardians, not boon companions.We mean our guardians to be true
Bsaviours and not the destroyers of the State, whereas our opponent is
thinking of peasants at a festival, who are enjoying a life of revelry,
not of citizens who are doing their duty to the State. But, if so, we mean
different things, and he is speaking of something which is not a State.
And therefore we must consider whether in appointing our guardians we
would look to their greatest happiness individually, or whether this
principle of happiness does not rather reside in the State as a whole. But
if the latter be the truth, then the guardians Cand auxiliaries, and all
others equally with them, must be compelled or induced to do their own
work in the best way. And thus the whole State will grow up in a noble
order, and the several classes will receive the proportion of happiness
which nature assigns to them.
I think that you are quite right.
I wonder whether you will agree with another remark which occurs to me.
What may that be?
D
There seem to be two causes of the deterioration of the arts.
What are they?
Wealth, I said, and poverty.
How do they act?
When an artisan
grows rich, he becomes careless: if he is very poor, he has no money to
buy tools with. The city should be neither poor nor rich.
The process is as follows: When a potter becomes rich, will he, think you,
any longer take the same pains with his art?
Certainly not.
He will grow more and more indolent and careless?
Very true.
And the result will be that he becomes a worse potter?
Yes; he greatly deteriorates.
But, on the other hand, if he has no money, and cannot provide himself
with tools or instruments, he will not work Eequally well himself, nor will
he teach his sons or apprentices to work equally well.
Certainly not.
Then, under the influence either of poverty or of wealth, workmen and
their work are equally liable to degenerate?
That is evident.
Here, then, is a discovery of new evils, I said, against which the
guardians will have to watch, or they will creep into the city unobserved.
What evils?
422
Wealth, I said, and poverty; the one is the parent of luxury and
indolence, and the other of meanness and viciousness, and both of
discontent.
But how, being poor, can she contend against a wealthy enemy?
That is very true, he replied; but still I should like to know, Socrates,
how our city will be able to go to war, especially against an enemy who is
rich and powerful, if deprived of the sinews of war.
There would certainly be a difficulty, I replied, in going Bto war with one
such enemy; but there is no difficulty where there are two of them.
How so? he asked.
Our wiry soldiers will be more than a match for their fat neighbours.
In the first place, I said, if we have to fight, our side will be trained
warriors fighting against an army of rich men.
That is true, he said.
And do you not suppose, Adeimantus, that a single boxer who was perfect in
his art would easily be a match for two stout and well-to-do gentlemen who
were not boxers?
Hardly, if they came upon him at once.
What, now, I said, if he were able to run away and then Cturn and strike at
the one who first came up? And supposing he were to do this several times
under the heat of a scorching sun, might he not, being an expert, overturn
more than one stout personage?
Certainly, he said, there would be nothing wonderful in that.
And yet rich men probably have a greater superiority in the science and
practise of boxing than they have in military qualities.
Likely enough.
Then we may assume that our athletes will be able to fight with two or
three times their own number?
I agree with you, for I think you right.
DAnd they will have allies who will readily join on condition of receiving the spoil.
And suppose that, before engaging, our citizens send an embassy to one of
the two cities, telling them what is the truth: Silver and gold we neither
have nor are permitted to have, but you may; do you therefore come and
help us in war, and take the spoils of the other city: Who, on hearing
these words, would choose to fight against lean wiry dogs, rather than,
with the dogs on their side, against fat and tender sheep?
That is not likely; and yet there might be a danger to the Epoor State if
the wealth of many States were to be gathered into one.
But many cities will conspire? No: they are divided in themselves.
But how simple of you to use the term State at all of any but our own!
Why so?
You ought to speak of other States in the plural number; not one of them
is a city, but many cities, as they say in the game. For indeed any city,
however small, is in fact divided into two, one the city of the poor, the
other of the rich; 423these are at war with one another; and in either there
are many smaller divisions, and you would be altogether beside the mark if
you treated them all as a single State. But if you deal with them as many,
and give the wealth or power or persons of the one to the others, you will
always have a great many friends and not many enemies. Many states are contained in oneAnd your State,
while the wise order which has now been prescribed continues to prevail in
her, will be the greatest of States, I do not mean to say in reputation or
appearance, but in deed and truth, though she number not more than a
thousand defenders. A single State which is her equal you will hardly
find, either Bamong Hellenes or barbarians, though many that appear to be
as great and many times greater.
That is most true, he said.
The limit to the size of the State the possibility of unity.
And what, I said, will be the best limit for our rulers to fix when they
are considering the size of the State and the amount of territory which
they are to include, and beyond which they will not go?
What limit would you propose?
I would allow the State to increase so far as is consistent with unity;
that, I think, is the proper limit.
C
Very good, he said.
Here then, I said, is another order which will have to be conveyed to our
guardians: Let our city be accounted neither large nor small, but one and
self-sufficing.
And surely, said he, this is not a very severe order which we impose upon
them.
The duty of adjusting the citizens to the rank for which nature intended them.
And the other, said I, of which we were speaking before is lighter still,—I
mean the duty of degrading the offspring of the guardians when inferior,
and of elevating into the rank Dof guardians the offspring of the lower
classes, when naturally superior. The intention was, that, in the case of
the citizens generally, each individual should be put to the use for which
nature intended him, one to one work, and then every man would do his own
business, and be one and not many; and so the whole city would be one and
not many.
Yes, he said; that is not so difficult.
The regulations which we are prescribing, my good Adeimantus, are not, as
might be supposed, a number of great principles, but trifles all, if care
be taken, as the saying is, Eof the one great thing,—a thing,
however, which I would rather call, not great, but sufficient for our
purpose.
What may that be? he asked.
Education, I said, and nurture: If our citizens are well educated, and
grow into sensible men, they will easily see their way through all these,
as well as other matters which I omit; such, for example, as marriage, the
possession of 424women and the procreation of children, which will all follow
the general principle that friends have all things in common, as the
proverb says.
That will be the best way of settling them.
Good education has a cumulative force and affects the breed.
Also, I said, the State, if once started well, moves with accumulating
force like a wheel. For good nurture and education implant good
constitutions, and these good constitutions taking root in a good
education improve more and more, Band this improvement affects the breed in
man as in other animals.
Very possibly, he said.
No innovations to be made either in music or gymnastic.
Then to sum up: This is the point to which, above all, the attention of
our rulers should be directed,—that music and gymnastic be preserved
in their original form, and no innovation made. They must do their utmost
to maintain them intact. And when any one says that mankind most regard
‘The newest song which the singers have2,’
C
they will be afraid that he may be praising, not new songs, but a new kind
of song; and this ought not to be praised, or conceived to be the meaning
of the poet; for any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole
State, and ought to be prohibited. Damon.So Damon tells me, and I can quite
believe him;—he says that when modes of music change, the
fundamental laws of the State always change with them.
Yes, said Adeimantus; and you may add my suffrage to Damon’s and your own.
D
Then, I said, our guardians must lay the foundations of their fortress in
music?
Yes, he said; the lawlessness of which you speak too easily steals in.
Yes, I replied, in the form of amusement; and at first sight it appears
harmless.
The spirit of lawlessness, beginning in music, gradually pervades the whole of life.
Why, yes, he said, and there is no harm; were it not that little by little
this spirit of licence, finding a home, imperceptibly penetrates into
manners and customs; whence, issuing with greater force, it invades
contracts between man and Eman, and from contracts goes on to laws and
constitutions, in utter recklessness, ending at last, Socrates, by an
overthrow of all rights, private as well as public.
Is that true? I said.
That is my belief, he replied.
Then, as I was saying, our youth should be trained from the first in a
stricter system, for if amusements become 425lawless, and the youths
themselves become lawless, they can never grow up into well-conducted and
virtuous citizens.
Very true, he said.
The habit of order the basis of education.
And when they have made a good beginning in play, and by the help of music
have gained the habit of good order, then this habit of order, in a manner
how unlike the lawless play of the others! will accompany them in all
their actions and be a principle of growth to them, and if there be any
fallen places in the State will raise them up again.
Very true, he said.
If the citizens have the root of the matter in them, they will supply the details for themselves.
Thus educated, they will invent for themselves any lesser rules which
their predecessors have altogether neglected.
What do you mean?
B
I mean such things as these:—when the young are to be silent before
their elders; how they are to show respect to them by standing and making
them sit; what honour is due to parents; what garments or shoes are to be
worn; the mode of dressing the hair; deportment and manners in general.
You would agree with me?
Yes.
But there is, I think, small wisdom in legislating about such matters,—I
doubt if it is ever done; nor are any precise written enactments about
them likely to be lasting.
Impossible.
It would seem, Adeimantus, that the direction in which Ceducation starts a
man, will determine his future life. Does not like always attract like?
To be sure.
Until some one rare and grand result is reached which may be good, and may
be the reverse of good?
That is not to be denied.
And for this reason, I said, I shall not attempt to legislate further
about them.
Naturally enough, he replied.
The mere routine of administration may be omitted by us.
Well, and about the business of the agora, and the ordinary dealings
between man and man, or again about agreements Dwith artisans; about insult
and injury, or the commencement of actions, and the appointment of juries,
what would you say? there may also arise questions about any impositions
and exactions of market and harbour dues which may be required, and in
general about the regulations of markets, police, harbours, and the like.
But, oh heavens! shall we condescend to legislate on any of these
particulars?
I think, he said, that there is no need to impose laws about Ethem on good
men; what regulations are necessary they will find out soon enough for
themselves.
Yes, I said, my friend, if God will only preserve to them the laws which
we have given them.
And without divine help, said Adeimantus, they will go on for ever making
and mending their laws and their lives in the hope of attaining
perfection.
Illustration of reformers of the law taken from invalids who are always doctoring themselves, but will never listen to the truth.
You would compare them, I said, to those invalids who, having no
self-restraint, will not leave off their habits of intemperance?
Exactly.
426
Yes, I said; and what a delightful life they lead! they are always
doctoring and increasing and complicating their disorders, and always
fancying that they will be cured by any nostrum which anybody advises them
to try.
Such cases are very common, he said, with invalids of this sort.
Yes, I replied; and the charming thing is that they deem him their worst
enemy who tells them the truth, which is simply that, unless they give up
eating and drinking and Bwenching and idling, neither drug nor cautery nor
spell nor amulet nor any other remedy will avail.
Charming! he replied. I see nothing charming in going into a passion with
a man who tells you what is right.
These gentlemen, I said, do not seem to be in your good graces.
Assuredly not.
Nor would you praise the behaviour of States which act like the men whom I
was just now describing. For are there not ill-ordered States in which the
citizens are forbidden Cunder pain of death to alter the constitution; and
yet he who most sweetly courts those who live under this regime and
indulges them and fawns upon them and is skilful in anticipating and
gratifying their humours is held to be a great and good statesman—do
not these States resemble the persons whom I was describing?
Yes, he said; the States are as bad as the men; and I am very far from
praising them.
D
But do you not admire, I said, the coolness and dexterity of these ready
ministers of political corruption?
Demagogues trying their hands at legislation may be excused for their ignorance of the world.
Yes, he said, I do; but not of all of them, for there are some whom the
applause of the multitude has deluded into the belief that they are really
statesmen, and these are not much to be admired.
What do you mean? I said; you should have more feeling for them. When a
man cannot measure, and a great many Eothers who cannot measure declare
that he is four cubits high, can he help believing what they say?
Nay, he said, certainly not in that case.
Well, then, do not be angry with them; for are they not as good as a play,
trying their hand at paltry reforms such as I was describing; they are
always fancying that by legislation they will make an end of frauds in
contracts, and the other rascalities which I was mentioning, not knowing
that they are in reality cutting off the heads of a hydra?
427
Yes, he said; that is just what they are doing.
I conceive, I said, that the true legislator will not trouble himself with
this class of enactments whether concerning laws or the constitution
either in an ill-ordered or in a well-ordered State; for in the former
they are quite useless, and in the latter there will be no difficulty in
devising them; and many of them will naturally flow out of our previous
regulations.
B
What, then, he said, is still remaining to us of the work of legislation?
Nothing to us, I replied; but to Apollo, the God of Delphi, there remains
the ordering of the greatest and noblest and chiefest things of all.
Which are they? he said.
Religion to be left to the God of Delphi.
The institution of temples and sacrifices, and the entire service of gods,
demigods, and heroes; also the ordering of the repositories of the dead,
and the rites which have to be observed by him who would propitiate the
inhabitants of the world below. These are matters of which we are ignorant
ourselves, and as founders of a city we should be Cunwise in trusting them
to any interpreter but our ancestral deity. He is the god who sits in the
centre, on the navel of the earth, and he is the interpreter of religion
to all mankind.
You are right, and we will do as you propose.
But where, amid all this, is justice? son of Ariston, tell me where. DNow
that our city has been made habitable, light a candle and search, and get
your brother and Polemarchus and the rest of our friends to help, and let
us see where in it we can discover justice and where injustice, and in
what they differ from one another, and which of them the man who would be
happy should have for his portion, whether seen or unseen by gods and men.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
Nonsense, said Glaucon: did you not promise to search Eyourself, saying
that for you not to help justice in her need would be an impiety?
I do not deny that I said so, and as you remind me, I will be as good as
my word; but you must join.
We will, he replied.
Well, then, I hope to make the discovery in this way: I mean to begin with
the assumption that our State, if rightly ordered, is perfect.
That is most certain.
And being perfect, is therefore wise and valiant and temperate and just.
That is likewise clear.
And whichever of these qualities we find in the State, the one which is
not found will be the residue?
428
Very good.
If there were four things, and we were searching for one of them, wherever
it might be, the one sought for might be known to us from the first, and
there would be no further trouble; or we might know the other three first,
and then the fourth would clearly be the one left.
Very true, he said.
And is not a similar method to be pursued about the virtues, which are
also four in number?
Clearly.
The place of the virtues in the State: (1) The wisdom of the statesman advises, not about particular arts or pursuits,
First among the virtues found in the State, wisdom comes Binto view, and in
this I detect a certain peculiarity.
What is that?
The State which we have been describing is said to be wise as being good
in counsel?
Very true.
And good counsel is clearly a kind of knowledge, for not by ignorance, but
by knowledge, do men counsel well?
Clearly.
And the kinds of knowledge in a State are many and diverse?
Of course.
There is the knowledge of the carpenter; but is that the sort of knowledge
which gives a city the title of wise and good in counsel?
C
Certainly not; that would only give a city the reputation of skill in
carpentering.
Then a city is not to be called wise because possessing a knowledge which
counsels for the best about wooden implements?
Certainly not.
Nor by reason of a knowledge which advises about brazen pots, I said, nor
as possessing any other similar knowledge?
Not by reason of any of them, he said.
Nor yet by reason of a knowledge which cultivates the earth; that would
give the city the name of agricultural?
Yes.
but about the whole State.
Well, I said, and is there any knowledge in our recently-founded State
among any of the citizens which advises, Dnot about any particular thing in
the State, but about the whole, and considers how a State can best deal
with itself and with other States?
There certainly is.
And what is this knowledge, and among whom is it found? I asked.
It is the knowledge of the guardians, he replied, and is found among those
whom we were just now describing as perfect guardians.
And what is the name which the city derives from the possession of this
sort of knowledge?
The name of good in counsel and truly wise.
EThe statesmen or guardians are the smallest of all classes in the State.
And will there be in our city more of these true guardians or more smiths?
The smiths, he replied, will be far more numerous.
Will not the guardians be the smallest of all the classes who receive a
name from the profession of some kind of knowledge?
Much the smallest.
And so by reason of the smallest part or class, and of the knowledge which
resides in this presiding and ruling part of itself, the whole State,
being thus constituted according to 429nature, will be wise; and this, which
has the only knowledge worthy to be called wisdom, has been ordained by
nature to be of all classes the least.
Most true.
Thus, then, I said, the nature and place in the State of one of the four
virtues has somehow or other been discovered.
And, in my humble opinion, very satisfactorily discovered, he replied.
Again, I said, there is no difficulty in seeing the nature of courage, and
in what part that quality resides which gives the name of courageous to
the State.
How do you mean?
B(2) The courage which makes the city courageous is found chiefly in the soldier.
Why, I said, every one who calls any State courageous or cowardly, will be
thinking of the part which fights and goes out to war on the State’s
behalf.
No one, he replied, would ever think of any other.
The rest of the citizens may be courageous or may be cowardly, but their
courage or cowardice will not, as I conceive, have the effect of making
the city either the one or the other.
Certainly not.
It is the quality which preserves right opinion about things to be feared and not to be feared.
The city will be courageous in virtue of a portion of herself which
preserves under all circumstances that opinion Cabout the nature of things
to be feared and not to be feared in which our legislator educated them;
and this is what you term courage.
I should like to hear what you are saying once more, for I do not think
that I perfectly understand you.
I mean that courage is a kind of salvation.
Salvation of what?
Of the opinion respecting things to be feared, what they are and of what
nature, which the law implants through education; and I mean by the words
‘under all circumstances’ Dto intimate that in pleasure or in pain, or
under the influence of desire or fear, a man preserves, and does not lose
this opinion. Shall I give you an illustration?
If you please.
Illustration from the art of dyeing.
You know, I said, that dyers, when they want to dye wool for making the
true sea-purple, begin by selecting their white colour first; this they
prepare and dress with much care and pains, in order that the white ground
may take the purple hue in full perfection. The dyeing then proceeds; and
Ewhatever is dyed in this manner becomes a fast colour, and no washing
either with lyes or without them can take away the bloom. But, when the
ground has not been duly prepared, you will have noticed how poor is the
look either of purple or of any other colour.
Yes, he said; I know that they have a washed-out and ridiculous
appearance.
Our soldiers must take the dye of the laws.
Then now, I said, you will understand what our object was 430in selecting our
soldiers, and educating them in music and gymnastic; we were contriving
influences which would prepare them to take the dye of the laws in
perfection, and the colour of their opinion about dangers and of every
other opinion was to be indelibly fixed by their nurture and training, not
to be washed away by such potent lyes as pleasure—mightier agent far
in washing the soul than any soda or lye; Bor by sorrow, fear, and desire,
the mightiest of all other solvents. And this sort of universal saving
power of true opinion in conformity with law about real and false dangers
I call and maintain to be courage, unless you disagree.
But I agree, he replied; for I suppose that you mean to exclude mere
uninstructed courage, such as that of a wild beast or of a slave—this,
in your opinion, is not the courage which the law ordains, and ought to
have another name.
C
Most certainly.
Then I may infer courage to be such as you describe?
Why, yes, said I, you may, and if you add the words ‘of a citizen,’ you
will not be far wrong;—hereafter, if you like, we will carry the
examination further, but at present we are seeking not for courage but
justice; and for the purpose of our enquiry we have said enough.
You are right, he replied.
Two other virtues, temperance and justice, which must be considered in their proper order.
Two virtues remain to be discovered in the State—first, Dtemperance,
and then justice which is the end of our search.
Very true.
Now, can we find justice without troubling ourselves about temperance?
I do not know how that can be accomplished, he said, nor do I desire that
justice should be brought to light and temperance lost sight of; and
therefore I wish that you would do me the favour of considering temperance
first.
E
Certainly, I replied, I should not be justified in refusing your request.
Then consider, he said.
Yes, I replied; I will; and as far as I can at present see, the virtue of
temperance has more of the nature of harmony and symphony than the
preceding.
How so? he asked.
Temperance, I replied, is the ordering or controlling of certain pleasures
and desires; this is curiously enough implied in the saying of ‘a man
being his own master;’ and other traces of the same notion may be found in
language.
No doubt, he said.
The temperate is master of himself, but the same person, when intemperate, is also the slave of himself.
There is something ridiculous in the expression ‘master of himself;’ 431for
the master is also the servant and the servant the master; and in all
these modes of speaking the same person is denoted.
Certainly.
The meaning is, I believe, that in the human soul there is a better and
also a worse principle; and when the better has the worse under control,
then a man is said to be master of himself; and this is a term of praise:
but when, owing to evil education or association, the better principle,
which is also the smaller, is overwhelmed by the greater mass of the Bworse—in
this case he is blamed and is called the slave of self and unprincipled.
Yes, there is reason in that.
And now, I said, look at our newly-created State, and there you will find
one of these two conditions realized; for the State, as you will
acknowledge, may be justly called master of itself, if the words
‘temperance’ and ‘self-mastery’ truly express the rule of the better part
over the worse.
Yes, he said, I see that what you say is true.
Let me further note that the manifold and complex pleasures Cand desires
and pains are generally found in children and women and servants, and in
the freemen so called who are of the lowest and more numerous class.
Certainly, he said.
Whereas the simple and moderate desires which follow reason, and are under
the guidance of mind and true opinion, are to be found only in a few, and
those the best born and best educated.
Very true.
The State which has the passions and desires of the many controlled by the few may be rightly called temperate.
These two, as you may perceive, have a place in our State; Dand the meaner
desires of the many are held down by the virtuous desires and wisdom of
the few.
That I perceive, he said.
Then if there be any city which may be described as master of its own
pleasures and desires, and master of itself, ours may claim such a
designation?
Certainly, he replied.
It may also be called temperate, and for the same reasons?
Yes.
And if there be any State in which rulers and subjects will Ebe agreed as
to the question who are to rule, that again will be our State?
Undoubtedly.
And the citizens being thus agreed among themselves, in which class will
temperance be found—in the rulers or in the subjects?
In both, as I should imagine, he replied.
Do you observe that we were not far wrong in our guess that temperance was
a sort of harmony?
Why so?
Temperance resides in the whole State.
Why, because temperance is unlike courage and wisdom, each of which
resides in a part only, the one making the 432State wise and the other
valiant; not so temperance, which extends to the whole, and runs through
all the notes of the scale, and produces a harmony of the weaker and the
stronger and the middle class, whether you suppose them to be stronger or
weaker in wisdom or power or numbers or wealth, or anything else. Most
truly then may we deem temperance to be the agreement of the naturally
superior and inferior, as to the right to rule of either, both in states
and individuals.
B
I entirely agree with you.
And so, I said, we may consider three out of the four virtues to have been
discovered in our State. The last of those qualities which make a state
virtuous must be justice, if we only knew what that was.
The inference is obvious.
Justice is not far off.
The time then has arrived, Glaucon, when, like huntsmen, we should
surround the cover, and look sharp that justice does not steal away, and
pass out of sight and escape us; for Cbeyond a doubt she is somewhere in
this country: watch therefore and strive to catch a sight of her, and if
you see her first, let me know.
Would that I could! but you should regard me rather as a follower who has
just eyes enough to see what you show him—that is about as much as I
am good for.
Offer up a prayer with me and follow.
I will, but you must show me the way.
Here is no path, I said, and the wood is dark and perplexing; still we
must push on.
D
Let us push on.
Here I saw something: Halloo! I said, I begin to perceive a track, and I
believe that the quarry will not escape.
Good news, he said.
Truly, I said, we are stupid fellows.
Why so?
Why, my good sir, at the beginning of our enquiry, ages ago, there was
justice tumbling out at our feet, and we never saw her; nothing could be
more ridiculous. Like people who go about looking for what they have in
their hands—Ethat was the way with us—we looked not at what we
were seeking, but at what was far off in the distance; and therefore, I
suppose, we missed her.
What do you mean?
I mean to say that in reality for a long time past we have been talking of
justice, and have failed to recognise her.
I grow impatient at the length of your exordium.
433We had already found her when we spoke of one man doing one thing only.
Well then, tell me, I said, whether I am right or not: You remember the
original principle which we were always laying down at the foundation of
the State, that one man should practise one thing only, the thing to which
his nature was best adapted;—now justice is this principle or a part
of it.
Yes, we often said that one man should do one thing only.
Further, we affirmed that justice was doing one’s own business, and not
being a busybody; we said so again and again, Band many others have said
the same to us.
Yes, we said so.
Then to do one’s own business in a certain way may be assumed to be
justice. Can you tell me whence I derive this inference?
I cannot, but I should like to be told.
From another point of view Justice is the residue of the three others.
Because I think that this is the only virtue which remains in the State
when the other virtues of temperance and courage and wisdom are
abstracted; and, that this is the ultimate cause and condition of the
existence of all of them, and while remaining in them is also their
preservative; Cand we were saying that if the three were discovered by us,
justice would be the fourth or remaining one.
That follows of necessity.
If we are asked to determine which of these four qualities by its presence
contributes most to the excellence of the State, whether the agreement of
rulers and subjects, or the preservation in the soldiers of the opinion
which the law ordains about the true nature of dangers, or wisdom and
Dwatchfulness in the rulers, or whether this other which I am mentioning,
and which is found in children and women, slave and freeman, artisan,
ruler, subject,—the quality, I mean, of every one doing his own
work, and not being a busybody, would claim the palm—the question is
not so easily answered.
Certainly, he replied, there would be a difficulty in saying which.
Then the power of each individual in the State to do his own work appears
to compete with the other political virtues, wisdom, temperance, courage.
Yes, he said.
And the virtue which enters into this competition is Ejustice?
Exactly.
Our idea is confirmed by the administration of justice in lawsuits. No man is to have what is not his own.
Let us look at the question from another point of view: Are not the rulers
in a State those to whom you would entrust the office of determining suits
at law?
Certainly.
And are suits decided on any other ground but that a man may neither take
what is another’s, nor be deprived of what is his own?
Yes; that is their principle.
Which is a just principle?
Yes.
Then on this view also justice will be admitted to be the having and doing
what is a man’s own, and belongs to him?
434
Very true.
Illustration: Classes, like individuals, should not meddle with one another’s occupations.
Think, now, and say whether you agree with me or not. Suppose a carpenter
to be doing the business of a cobbler, or a cobbler of a carpenter; and
suppose them to exchange their implements or their duties, or the same
person to be doing the work of both, or whatever be the change; do you
think that any great harm would result to the State?
Not much.
But when the cobbler or any other man whom nature Bdesigned to be a trader,
having his heart lifted up by wealth or strength or the number of his
followers, or any like advantage, attempts to force his way into the class
of warriors, or a warrior into that of legislators and guardians, for
which he is unfitted, and either to take the implements or the duties of
the other; or when one man is trader, legislator, and warrior all in one,
then I think you will agree with me in saying that this interchange and
this meddling of one with another is the ruin of the State.
Most true.
Seeing then, I said, that there are three distinct classes, any meddling
of one with another, or the change of one into Canother, is the greatest
harm to the State, and may be most justly termed evil-doing?
Precisely.
And the greatest degree of evil-doing to one’s own city would be termed by
you injustice?
Certainly.
This then is injustice; and on the other hand when the trader, the
auxiliary, and the guardian each do their own business, that is justice,
and will make the city just.
D
I agree with you.
From the larger example of the State we will now return to the individual.
We will not, I said, be over-positive as yet; but if, on trial, this
conception of justice be verified in the individual as well as in the
State, there will be no longer any room for doubt; if it be not verified,
we must have a fresh enquiry. First let us complete the old investigation,
which we began, as you remember, under the impression that, if we could
previously examine justice on the larger scale, there would be less
difficulty in discerning her in the individual. That larger Eexample
appeared to be the State, and accordingly we constructed as good a one as
we could, knowing well that in the good State justice would be found. Let
the discovery which we made be now applied to the individual—if they
agree, we shall be satisfied; or, if there be a difference in the
individual, we will come back to the State and have another 435trial of the
theory. The friction of the two when rubbed together may possibly strike a
light in which justice will shine forth, and the vision which is then
revealed we will fix in our souls.
That will be in regular course; let us do as you say.
I proceeded to ask: When two things, a greater and less, are called by the
same name, are they like or unlike in so far as they are called the same?
Like, he replied.
B
The just man then, if we regard the idea of justice only, will be like the
just State?
He will.
And a State was thought by us to be just when the three classes in the
State severally did their own business; and also thought to be temperate
and valiant and wise by reason of certain other affections and qualities
of these same classes?
True, he said.
And so of the individual; we may assume that he has the Csame three
principles in his own soul which are found in the State; and he may be
rightly described in the same terms, because he is affected in the same
manner?
Certainly, he said.
How can we decide whether or no the soul has three distinct principles?
Once more then, O my friend, we have alighted upon an easy question—whether
the soul has these three principles or not?
An easy question! Nay, rather, Socrates, the proverb holds that hard is
the good.
Very true, I said; and I do not think that the method Dwhich we are
employing is at all adequate to the accurate solution of this question;
Our method is inadequate, and for a better and longer one we have not at present time.the true method is another and a longer one. Still we may arrive at a
solution not below the level of the previous enquiry.
May we not be satisfied with that? he said;—under the circumstances,
I am quite content.
I too, I replied, shall be extremely well satisfied.
Then faint not in pursuing the speculation, he said.
E
Must we not acknowledge, I said, that in each of us there are the same
principles and habits which there are in the State; and that from the
individual they pass into the State?—how else can they come there?
Take the quality of passion or spirit;—it would be ridiculous to
imagine that this quality, when found in States, is not derived from the
individuals who are supposed to possess it, e.g. the Thracians, Scythians,
and in general the northern nations; and the same may be said of the love
of knowledge, which is the special characteristic of our part of the
world, or of the 436love of money, which may, with equal truth, be attributed
to the Phoenicians and Egyptians.
Exactly so, he said.
There is no difficulty in understanding this.
None whatever.
A digression in which an attempt is made to attain logical clearness.
But the question is not quite so easy when we proceed to ask whether these
principles are three or one; whether, that is to say, we learn with one
part of our nature, are angry with another, and with a third part desire
the satisfaction Bof our natural appetites; or whether the whole soul comes
into play in each sort of action—to determine that is the
difficulty.
Yes, he said; there lies the difficulty.
Then let us now try and determine whether they are the same or different.
How can we? he asked.
The criterion of truth: Nothing can be and not be at the same time in the same relation.
I replied as follows: The same thing clearly cannot act or be acted upon
in the same part or in relation to the same thing at the same time, in
contrary ways; and therefore whenever this contradiction occurs in things
apparently the same, we know that they are really not the same, but
Cdifferent.
Good.
For example, I said, can the same thing be at rest and in motion at the
same time in the same part?
Impossible.
Still, I said, let us have a more precise statement of terms, lest we
should hereafter fall out by the way. Imagine the case of a man who is
standing and also moving his hands and his head, and suppose a person to
say that one and the same person is in motion and at rest at the same
moment—to such a mode of speech we should object, and should Drather
say that one part of him is in motion while another is at rest.
Very true.
Anticipation of objections to this ‘law of thought.’
And suppose the objector to refine still further, and to draw the nice
distinction that not only parts of tops, but whole tops, when they spin
round with their pegs fixed on the spot, are at rest and in motion at the
same time (and he may say the same of anything which revolves in the same
spot), his objection would not be admitted by us, because Ein such cases
things are not at rest and in motion in the same parts of themselves; we
should rather say that they have both an axis and a circumference, and
that the axis stands still, for there is no deviation from the
perpendicular; and that the circumference goes round. But if, while
revolving, the axis inclines either to the right or left, forwards or
backwards, then in no point of view can they be at rest.
That is the correct mode of describing them, he replied.
Then none of these objections will confuse us, or incline us to believe
that the same thing at the same time, in the 437same part or in relation to
the same thing, can act or be acted upon in contrary ways.
Certainly not, according to my way of thinking.
Yet, I said, that we may not be compelled to examine all such objections,
and prove at length that they are untrue, let us assume their absurdity,
and go forward on the understanding that hereafter, if this assumption
turn out to be untrue, all the consequences which follow shall be
withdrawn.
Yes, he said, that will be the best way.
BLikes and dislikes exist in many forms.
Well, I said, would you not allow that assent and dissent, desire and
aversion, attraction and repulsion, are all of them opposites, whether
they are regarded as active or passive (for that makes no difference in
the fact of their opposition)?
Yes, he said, they are opposites.
Well, I said, and hunger and thirst, and the desires in general, and again
willing and wishing,—all these you would Crefer to the classes
already mentioned. You would say—would you not?—that the soul
of him who desires is seeking after the object of his desire; or that he
is drawing to himself the thing which he wishes to possess: or again, when
a person wants anything to be given him, his mind, longing for the
realization of his desire, intimates his wish to have it by a nod of
assent, as if he had been asked a question?
Very true.
And what would you say of unwillingness and dislike and the absence of
desire; should not these be referred to the opposite class of repulsion
and rejection?
D
Certainly.
Admitting this to be true of desire generally, let us suppose a particular
class of desires, and out of these we will select hunger and thirst, as
they are termed, which are the most obvious of them?
Let us take that class, he said.
The object of one is food, and of the other drink?
Yes.
There may be simple thirst or qualified thirst, having respectively a simple or a qualified object.
And here comes the point: is not thirst the desire which the soul has of
drink, and of drink only; not of drink qualified by anything else; for
example, warm or cold, or much or little, or, in a word, drink of any
particular sort: but if the Ethirst be accompanied by heat, then the desire
is of cold drink; or, if accompanied by cold, then of warm drink; or, if
the thirst be excessive, then the drink which is desired will be
excessive; or, if not great, the quantity of drink will also be small: but
thirst pure and simple will desire drink pure and simple, which is the
natural satisfaction of thirst, as food is of hunger?
Yes, he said; the simple desire is, as you say, in every case of the
simple object, and the qualified desire of the qualified object.
438Exception: The term good expresses, not a particular, but an universal relation.
But here a confusion may arise; and I should wish to guard against an
opponent starting up and saying that no man desires drink only, but good
drink, or food only, but good food; for good is the universal object of
desire, and thirst being a desire, will necessarily be thirst after good
drink; and the same is true of every other desire.
Yes, he replied, the opponent might have something to say.
Nevertheless I should still maintain, that of relatives some Bhave a
quality attached to either term of the relation; others are simple and
have their correlatives simple.
I do not know what you mean.
Illustration of the argument from the use of language about correlative terms.
Well, you know of course that the greater is relative to the less?
Certainly.
And the much greater to the much less?
Yes.
And the sometime greater to the sometime less, and the greater that is to
be to the less that is to be?
Certainly, he said.
C
And so of more and less, and of other correlative terms, such as the
double and the half, or again, the heavier and the lighter, the swifter
and the slower; and of hot and cold, and of any other relatives;—is
not this true of all of them?
Yes.
And does not the same principle hold in the sciences? The object of
science is knowledge (assuming that to be the true definition), but the
object of a particular science is a Dparticular kind of knowledge; I mean,
for example, that the science of house-building is a kind of knowledge
which is defined and distinguished from other kinds and is therefore
termed architecture.
Certainly.
Because it has a particular quality which no other has?
Yes.
And it has this particular quality because it has an object of a
particular kind; and this is true of the other arts and sciences?
Yes.
Recapitulation
Now, then, if I have made myself clear, you will understand my original
meaning in what I said about relatives. My meaning was, that if one term
of a relation is taken alone, the other is taken alone; if one term is
qualified, the other is also qualified. EAnticipation of a possible confusion.I do not mean to say that
relatives may not be disparate, or that the science of health is healthy,
or of disease necessarily diseased, or that the sciences of good and evil
are therefore good and evil; but only that, when the term science is no
longer used absolutely, but has a qualified object which in this case is
the nature of health and disease, it becomes defined, and is hence called
not merely science, but the science of medicine.
I quite understand, and I think as you do.
439
Would you not say that thirst is one of these essentially relative terms,
having clearly a relation—
Yes, thirst is relative to drink.
And a certain kind of thirst is relative to a certain kind of drink; but
thirst taken alone is neither of much nor little, nor of good nor bad, nor
of any particular kind of drink, but of drink only?
Certainly.
Then the soul of the thirsty one, in so far as he is thirsty, Bdesires only
drink; for this he yearns and tries to obtain it?
That is plain.
The law of contradiction.
And if you suppose something which pulls a thirsty soul away from drink,
that must be different from the thirsty principle which draws him like a
beast to drink; for, as we were saying, the same thing cannot at the same
time with the same part of itself act in contrary ways about the same.
Impossible.
No more than you can say that the hands of the archer push and pull the
bow at the same time, but what you say is that one hand pushes and the
other pulls.
C
Exactly so, he replied.
And might a man be thirsty, and yet unwilling to drink?
Yes, he said, it constantly happens.
And in such a case what is one to say? Would you not say that there was
something in the soul bidding a man to drink, and something else
forbidding him, which is other and stronger than the principle which bids
him?
I should say so.
DThe opposition of desire and reason.
And the forbidding principle is derived from reason, and that which bids
and attracts proceeds from passion and disease?
Clearly.
Then we may fairly assume that they are two, and that they differ from one
another; the one with which a man reasons, we may call the rational
principle of the soul, the other, with which he loves and hungers and
thirsts and feels the flutterings of any other desire, may be termed the
irrational or appetitive, the ally of sundry pleasures and satisfactions?
E
Yes, he said, we may fairly assume them to be different.
Then let us finally determine that there are two principles existing in
the soul. And what of passion, or spirit? Is it a third, or akin to one of
the preceding?
I should be inclined to say—akin to desire.
The third principle of spirit or passion illustrated by an example.
Well, I said, there is a story which I remember to have heard, and in
which I put faith. The story is, that Leontius, the son of Aglaion, coming
up one day from the Piraeus, under the north wall on the outside, observed
some dead bodies lying on the ground at the place of execution. He felt a
desire to see them, and also a dread and abhorrence of them; 440for a time he
struggled and covered his eyes, but at length the desire got the better of
him; and forcing them open, he ran up to the dead bodies, saying, Look, ye
wretches, take your fill of the fair sight.
I have heard the story myself, he said.
The moral of the tale is, that anger at times goes to war with desire, as
though they were two distinct things.
Yes; that is the meaning, he said.
And are there not many other cases in which we observe Bthat when a man’s
desires violently prevail over his reason, he reviles himself, and is
angry at the violence within him, and that in this struggle, which is like
the struggle of factions in a State, his spirit is on the side of his
reason;—Passion never takes part with desire against reason.but for the passionate or spirited element to take part with
the desires when reason decides that she should not be opposed3, is a sort
of thing which I believe that you never observed occurring in yourself,
nor, as I should imagine, in any one else?
Certainly not.
CRighteous indignation never felt by a person of noble character when he deservedly suffers.
Suppose that a man thinks he has done a wrong to another, the nobler he is
the less able is he to feel indignant at any suffering, such as hunger, or
cold, or any other pain which the injured person may inflict upon him—these
he deems to be just, and, as I say, his anger refuses to be excited by
them.
True, he said.
But when he thinks that he is the sufferer of the wrong, then he boils and
chafes, and is on the side of what he believes to be justice; and because
he suffers hunger or cold Dor other pain he is only the more determined to
persevere and conquer. His noble spirit will not be quelled until he
either slays or is slain; or until he hears the voice of the shepherd,
that is, reason, bidding his dog bark no more.
The illustration is perfect, he replied; and in our State, as we were
saying, the auxiliaries were to be dogs, and to hear the voice of the
rulers, who are their shepherds.
I perceive, I said, that you quite understand me; there is, however, a
further point which I wish you to consider.
E
What point?
You remember that passion or spirit appeared at first sight to be a kind
of desire, but now we should say quite the contrary; for in the conflict
of the soul spirit is arrayed on the side of the rational principle.
Most assuredly.
Not two, but three principles in the soul, as in the State.
But a further question arises: Is passion different from reason also, or
only a kind of reason; in which latter case, instead of three principles
in the soul, there will only be two, 441the rational and the concupiscent; or
rather, as the State was composed of three classes, traders, auxiliaries,
counsellors, so may there not be in the individual soul a third element
which is passion or spirit, and when not corrupted by bad education is the
natural auxiliary of reason?
Yes, he said, there must be a third.
Yes, I replied, if passion, which has already been shown to be different
from desire, turn out also to be different from reason.
But that is easily proved:—We may observe even in young children
that they are full of spirit almost as soon as they are born, whereas some
of them never seem to attain to Bthe use of reason, and most of them late
enough.
Excellent, I said, and you may see passion equally in brute animals, which
is a further proof of the truth of what you are saying. Appeal to Homer.And we may once
more appeal to the words of Homer, which have been already quoted by us,
‘He smote his breast, and thus rebuked his soul4,’
C
for in this verse Homer has clearly supposed the power which reasons about
the better and worse to be different from the unreasoning anger which is
rebuked by it.
Very true, he said.
The conclusion that the same three principles exist both in the State and in the individual applied to each of them.
And so, after much tossing, we have reached land, and are fairly agreed
that the same principles which exist in the State exist also in the
individual, and that they are three in number.
Exactly.
Must we not then infer that the individual is wise in the same way, and in
virtue of the same quality which makes the State wise?
Certainly.
D
Also that the same quality which constitutes courage in the State
constitutes courage in the individual, and that both the State and the
individual bear the same relation to all the other virtues?
Assuredly.
And the individual will be acknowledged by us to be just in the same way
in which the State is just?
That follows, of course.
We cannot but remember that the justice of the State E consisted in each of
the three classes doing the work of its own class?
We are not very likely to have forgotten, he said.
We must recollect that the individual in whom the several qualities of his
nature do their own work will be just, and will do his own work?
Yes, he said, we must remember that too.
And ought not the rational principle, which is wise, and has the care of
the whole soul, to rule, and the passionate or spirited principle to be
the subject and ally?
Certainly.
Music and gymnastic will harmonize passion and reason. These two combined will control desire,
And, as we were saying, the united influence of music and gymnastic will
bring them into accord, nerving and sustaining the reason with noble words
and lessons, and moderating and 442soothing and civilizing the wildness of
passion by harmony and rhythm?
Quite true, he said.
And these two, thus nurtured and educated, and having learned truly to
know their own functions, will rule5 over the concupiscent, which in each
of us is the largest part of the soul and by nature most insatiable of
gain; over this they will keep guard, lest, waxing great and strong with
the fulness of bodily pleasures, as they are termed, the Bconcupiscent
soul, no longer confined to her own sphere, should attempt to enslave and
rule those who are not her natural-born subjects, and overturn the whole
life of man?
Very true, he said.
and will be the best defenders both of body and soul.
Both together will they not be the best defenders of the whole soul and
the whole body against attacks from without; the one counselling, and the
other fighting under his leader, and courageously executing his commands
and counsels?
True.
The courageous.
And he is to be deemed courageous whose spirit retains Cin pleasure and in
pain the commands of reason about what he ought or ought not to fear?
Right, he replied.
The wise.
And him we call wise who has in him that little part which rules, and
which proclaims these commands; that part too being supposed to have a
knowledge of what is for the interest of each of the three parts and of
the whole?
Assuredly.
The temperate.
And would you not say that he is temperate who has these same elements in
friendly harmony, in whom the one ruling principle of reason, and the two
subject ones of spirit and Ddesire are equally agreed that reason ought to
rule, and do not rebel?
Certainly, he said, that is the true account of temperance whether in the
State or individual.
The just.
And surely, I said, we have explained again and again how and by virtue of
what quality a man will be just.
That is very certain.
And is justice dimmer in the individual, and is her form different, or is
she the same which we found her to be in the State?
There is no difference in my opinion, he said.
The nature of justice illustrated by commonplace instances.
Because, if any doubt is still lingering in our minds, a few Ecommonplace
instances will satisfy us of the truth of what I am saying.
What sort of instances do you mean?
If the case is put to us, must we not admit that the just 443State, or the
man who is trained in the principles of such a State, will be less likely
than the unjust to make away with a deposit of gold or silver? Would any
one deny this?
No one, he replied.
Will the just man or citizen ever be guilty of sacrilege or theft, or
treachery either to his friends or to his country?
Never.
Neither will he ever break faith where there have been oaths or
agreements?
Impossible.
No one will be less likely to commit adultery, or to dishonour his father
and mother, or to fail in his religious duties?
No one.
B
And the reason is that each part of him is doing its own business, whether
in ruling or being ruled?
Exactly so.
Are you satisfied then that the quality which makes such men and such
states is justice, or do you hope to discover some other?
Not I, indeed.
We have realized the hope entertained in the first construction of the State.
Then our dream has been realized; and the suspicion which we entertained
at the beginning of our work of construction, Cthat some divine power must
have conducted us to a primary form of justice, has now been verified?
Yes, certainly.
And the division of labour which required the carpenter and the shoemaker
and the rest of the citizens to be doing each his own business, and not
another’s, was a shadow of justice, and for that reason it was of use?
Clearly.
The three principles harmonize in one.
But in reality justice was such as we were describing, being concerned
however, not with the outward man, but Dwith the inward, which is the true
self and concernment of man: for the just man does not permit the several
elements within him to interfere with one another, or any of them to do
the work of others,—he sets in order his own inner life, and is his
own master and his own law, and at peace with himself; The harmony of human life.and when he has
bound together the three principles within him, which may be compared to
the higher, lower, and middle notes of the scale, and the intermediate
intervals—when he has bound all these together, and is no longer
Emany, but has become one entirely temperate and perfectly adjusted nature,
then he proceeds to act, if he has to act, whether in a matter of
property, or in the treatment of the body, or in some affair of politics
or private business; always thinking and calling that which preserves and
co-operates with this harmonious condition, just and good action, and the
knowledge which presides over it, wisdom, 444and that which at any time
impairs this condition, he will call unjust action, and the opinion which
presides over it ignorance.
You have said the exact truth, Socrates.
Very good; and if we were to affirm that we had discovered the just man
and the just State, and the nature of justice in each of them, we should
not be telling a falsehood?
Most certainly not.
May we say so, then?
Let us say so.
And now, I said, injustice has to be considered.
Clearly.
BInjustice the opposite of justice.
Must not injustice be a strife which arises among the three principles—a
meddlesomeness, and interference, and rising up of a part of the soul
against the whole, an assertion of unlawful authority, which is made by a
rebellious subject against a true prince, of whom he is the natural
vassal,—what is all this confusion and delusion but injustice, and
intemperance and cowardice and ignorance, and every form of vice?
Exactly so.
C
And if the nature of justice and injustice be known, then the meaning of
acting unjustly and being unjust, or, again, of acting justly, will also
be perfectly clear?
What do you mean? he said.
Analogy of body and soul.
Why, I said, they are like disease and health; being in the soul just what
disease and health are in the body.
How so? he said.
Why, I said, that which is healthy causes health, and that which is
unhealthy causes disease.
Yes.
D
And just actions cause justice, and unjust actions cause injustice?
That is certain.
Health : disease :: justice : injustice.
And the creation of health is the institution of a natural order and
government of one by another in the parts of the body; and the creation of
disease is the production of a state of things at variance with this
natural order?
True.
And is not the creation of justice the institution of a natural order and
government of one by another in the parts of the soul, and the creation of
injustice the production of a state of things at variance with the natural
order?
Exactly so, he said.
Then virtue is the health and beauty and well-being of the Esoul, and vice
the disease and weakness and deformity of the same?
True.
And do not good practices lead to virtue, and evil practices to vice?
Assuredly.
445The old question, whether the just or the unjust is the happier, has become ridiculous.
Still our old question of the comparative advantage of justice and
injustice has not been answered: Which is the more profitable, to be just
and act justly and practise virtue, whether seen or unseen of gods and
men, or to be unjust and act unjustly, if only unpunished and unreformed?
In my judgment, Socrates, the question has now become ridiculous. We know
that, when the bodily constitution is gone, life is no longer endurable,
though pampered with all kinds of meats and drinks, and having all wealth
and all power; and shall we be told that when the very essence of the
vital principle is undermined and corrupted, life is Bstill worth having to
a man, if only he be allowed to do whatever he likes with the single
exception that he is not to acquire justice and virtue, or to escape from
injustice and vice; assuming them both to be such as we have described?
Yes, I said, the question is, as you say, ridiculous. Still, as we are
near the spot at which we may see the truth in the clearest manner with
our own eyes, let us not faint by the way.
Certainly not, he replied.
C
Come up hither, I said, and behold the various forms of vice, those of
them, I mean, which are worth looking at.
I am following you, he replied: proceed.
I said, The argument seems to have reached a height from which, as from
some tower of speculation, a man may look down and see that virtue is one,
but that the forms of vice are innumerable; there being four special ones
which are deserving of note.
What do you mean? he said.
As many forms of the soul as of the State.
I mean, I replied, that there appear to be as many forms of the soul as
there are distinct forms of the State.
How many?
D
There are five of the State, and five of the soul, I said.
What are they?
The first, I said, is that which we have been describing, and which may be
said to have two names, monarchy and aristocracy, accordingly as rule is
exercised by one distinguished man or by many.
True, he replied.
But I regard the two names as describing one form only; Efor whether the
government is in the hands of one or many, if the governors have been
trained in the manner which we have supposed, the fundamental laws of the
State will be maintained.
That is true, he replied.
Steph.
449 Republic V.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON, ADEIMANTUS.
The community of women and children.
SUCH is the good and true City or State, and the good and true man is of
the same pattern; and if this is right every other is wrong; and the evil
is one which affects not only the ordering of the State, but also the
regulation of the individual soul, and is exhibited in four forms.
What are they? he said.
B
I was proceeding to tell the order in which the four evil forms appeared
to me to succeed one another, when Polemarchus, who was sitting a little
way off, just beyond Adeimantus, began to whisper to him: stretching forth
his hand, he took hold of the upper part of his coat by the shoulder, and
drew him towards him, leaning forward himself so as to be quite close and
saying something in his ear, of which I only caught the words, ‘Shall we
let him off, or what shall we do?’
Certainly not, said Adeimantus, raising his voice.
Who is it, I said, whom you are refusing to let off?
You, he said.
C
I repeated1, Why am I especially not to be let off?
The saying ‘Friends have all things in common’ is an insufficient solution of the problem.
Why, he said, we think that you are lazy, and mean to cheat us out of a
whole chapter which is a very important part of the story; and you fancy
that we shall not notice your airy way of proceeding; as if it were
self-evident to everybody, that in the matter of women and children
‘friends have all things in common.’
And was I not right, Adeimantus?
Yes, he said; but what is right in this particular case, like everything
else, requires to be explained; for community may be of many kinds.
Please, therefore, to say what sort Dof community you mean. We have been
long expecting that you would tell us something about the family life of
your citizens—how they will bring children into the world, and rear
them when they have arrived, and, in general, what is the nature of this
community of women and children—for we are of opinion that the right
or wrong management of such matters will have a great and paramount
influence on the State for good or for evil. And now, since the question
is still undetermined, and you are taking in hand another 450State, we have
resolved, as you heard, not to let you go until you give an account of all
this.
To that resolution, said Glaucon, you may regard me as saying Agreed.
SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS.
And without more ado, said Thrasymachus, you may consider us all to be
equally agreed.
I said, You know not what you are doing in thus assailing me: What an
argument are you raising about the State! The feigned surprise of Socrates.Just as I thought that I had
finished, and was only too glad that I had laid this question to sleep,
and was reflecting how fortunate I was in your acceptance of what I then
said, you ask me to begin again at the very foundation, ignorant of Bwhat a
hornet’s nest of words you are stirring. Now I foresaw this gathering
trouble, and avoided it.
The good-humour of Thrasymachus.
For what purpose do you conceive that we have come here, said
Thrasymachus,—to look for gold, or to hear discourse?
Yes, but discourse should have a limit.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
Yes, Socrates, said Glaucon, and the whole of life is the only limit which
wise men assign to the hearing of such discourses. But never mind about
us; take heart yourself C and answer the question in your own way: What sort
of community of women and children is this which is to prevail among our
guardians? and how shall we manage the period between birth and education,
which seems to require the greatest care? Tell us how these things will
be.
Yes, my simple friend, but the answer is the reverse of easy; many more
doubts arise about this than about our previous conclusions. For the
practicability of what is said may be doubted; and looked at in another
point of view, whether the scheme, if ever so practicable, would be for
the best, is also doubtful. Hence I feel a reluctance to approach the
Dsubject, lest our aspiration, my dear friend, should turn out to be a
dream only.
Fear not, he replied, for your audience will not be hard upon you; they
are not sceptical or hostile.
I said: My good friend, I suppose that you mean to encourage me by these
words.
Yes, he said.
A friendly audience is more dangerous than a hostile one.
Then let me tell you that you are doing just the reverse; the
encouragement which you offer would have been all very well had I myself
believed that I knew what I was talking about: to declare the truth about
matters of high Einterest which a man honours and loves among wise men who
love him need occasion no fear or faltering in his mind; but to carry on
an argument when you are yourself only 451a hesitating enquirer, which is my
condition, is a dangerous and slippery thing; and the danger is not that I
shall be laughed at (of which the fear would be childish), but that I
shall miss the truth where I have most need to be sure of my footing, and
drag my friends after me in my fall. And I pray Nemesis not to visit upon
me the words which I am going to utter. For I do indeed believe that to be
an involuntary homicide is a less crime than to be a deceiver about beauty
or goodness or justice in the matter of laws2. And that is a risk which I
would rather run among enemies than among friends, and therefore you do
well to encourage Bme3.
Glaucon laughed and said: Well then, Socrates, in case you and your
argument do us any serious injury you shall be acquitted beforehand of the
homicide, and shall not be held to be a deceiver; take courage then and
speak.
Well, I said, the law says that when a man is acquitted he is free from
guilt, and what holds at law may hold in argument.
Then why should you mind?
Well, I replied, I suppose that I must retrace my steps Cand say what I
perhaps ought to have said before in the proper place. The part of the men
has been played out, and now properly enough comes the turn of the women.
Of them I will proceed to speak, and the more readily since I am invited
by you.
For men born and educated like our citizens, the only way, in my opinion,
of arriving at a right conclusion about the possession and use of women
and children is to follow the path on which we originally started, when we
said that the men were to be the guardians and watchdogs of the herd.
True.
D
Let us further suppose the birth and education of our women to be subject
to similar or nearly similar regulations; then we shall see whether the
result accords with our design.
What do you mean?
No distinction among the animals such as is made between men and women.
What I mean may be put into the form of a question, I said: Are dogs
divided into hes and shes, or do they both share equally in hunting and in
keeping watch and in the other duties of dogs? or do we entrust to the
males the entire and exclusive care of the flocks, while we leave the
females at home, under the idea that the bearing and suckling their
puppies is labour enough for them?
E
No, he said, they share alike; the only difference between them is that
the males are stronger and the females weaker.
But can you use different animals for the same purpose, unless they are
bred and fed in the same way?
You cannot.
Then, if women are to have the same duties as men, they 452must have the same
nurture and education?
Yes.
The education which was assigned to the men was music and gymnastic.
Yes.
Women must be taught music, gymnastic, and military exercises
equally with men.
Then women must be taught music and gymnastic and also the art of war,
which they must practise like the men?
That is the inference, I suppose.
I should rather expect, I said, that several of our proposals, if they are
carried out, being unusual, may appear ridiculous.
No doubt of it.
Yes, and the most ridiculous thing of all will be the sight of women naked
in the palaestra, exercising with the men, Bespecially when they are no
longer young; they certainly will not be a vision of beauty, any more than
the enthusiastic old men who in spite of wrinkles and ugliness continue to
frequent the gymnasia.
Yes, indeed, he said: according to present notions the proposal would be
thought ridiculous.
But then, I said, as we have determined to speak our minds, we must not
fear the jests of the wits which will be directed against this sort of
innovation; how they will talk of women’s Cattainments both in music and
gymnastic, and above all about their wearing armour and riding upon
horseback!
Very true, he replied.
Convention should not be permitted to stand in the way of a higher good.
Yet having begun we must go forward to the rough places of the law; at the
same time begging of these gentlemen for once in their life to be serious.
Not long ago, as we shall remind them, the Hellenes were of the opinion,
which is still generally received among the barbarians, that the sight of
a naked man was ridiculous and improper; and when first the Cretans and
then the Lacedaemonians introduced the Dcustom, the wits of that day might
equally have ridiculed the innovation.
No doubt.
But when experience showed that to let all things be uncovered was far
better than to cover them up, and the ludicrous effect to the outward eye
vanished before the better principle which reason asserted, then the man
was perceived to be a fool who directs the shafts of his ridicule at any
other Esight but that of folly and vice, or seriously inclines to weigh the
beautiful by any other standard but that of the good4.
Very true, he replied.
First, then, whether the question is to be put in jest or in 453earnest, let
us come to an understanding about the nature of woman: Is she capable of
sharing either wholly or partially in the actions of men, or not at all?
And is the art of war one of those arts in which she can or can not share?
That will be the best way of commencing the enquiry, and will probably
lead to the fairest conclusion.
That will be much the best way.
Shall we take the other side first and begin by arguing against ourselves;
in this manner the adversary’s position will not be undefended.
B
Why not? he said.
Objection: We were saying that every one should do his own work: Have not women and men severally a work of their own?
Then let us put a speech into the mouths of our opponents. They will say:
‘Socrates and Glaucon, no adversary need convict you, for you yourselves,
at the first foundation of the State, admitted the principle that
everybody was to do the one work suited to his own nature.’ And certainly,
if I am not mistaken, such an admission was made by us. ‘And do not the
natures of men and women differ very much indeed?’ And we shall reply: Of
course they do. Then we shall be asked, ‘Whether the tasks assigned to men
and to women should not be different, and such as are agreeable to their
Cdifferent natures?’ Certainly they should. ‘But if so, have you not fallen
into a serious inconsistency in saying that men and women, whose natures
are so entirely different, ought to perform the same actions?’—What
defence will you make for us, my good Sir, against any one who offers
these objections?
That is not an easy question to answer when asked suddenly; and I shall
and I do beg of you to draw out the case on our side.
These are the objections, Glaucon, and there are many Dothers of a like
kind, which I foresaw long ago; they made me afraid and reluctant to take
in hand any law about the possession and nurture of women and children.
By Zeus, he said, the problem to be solved is anything but easy.
Why yes, I said, but the fact is that when a man is out of his depth,
whether he has fallen into a little swimming bath or into mid ocean, he
has to swim all the same.
Very true.
And must not we swim and try to reach the shore: we will hope that Arion’s
dolphin or some other miraculous help may save us?
E
I suppose so, he said.
Well then, let us see if any way of escape can be found. We acknowledged—did
we not? that different natures ought to have different pursuits, and that
men’s and women’s natures are different. And now what are we saying?—that
different natures ought to have the same pursuits,—this is the
inconsistency which is charged upon us.
Precisely.
454
Verily, Glaucon, I said, glorious is the power of the art of
contradiction!
Why do you say so?
The seeming inconsistency arises out of a verbal opposition.
Because I think that many a man falls into the practice against his will.
When he thinks that he is reasoning he is really disputing, just because
he cannot define and divide, and so know that of which he is speaking; and
he will pursue a merely verbal opposition in the spirit of contention and
not of fair discussion.
Yes, he replied, such is very often the case; but what has that to do with
us and our argument?
B
A great deal; for there is certainly a danger of our getting
unintentionally into a verbal opposition.
In what way?
When we assigned to different natures different pursuits, we meant only those differences of nature which affected the pursuits.
Why we valiantly and pugnaciously insist upon the verbal truth, that
different natures ought to have different pursuits, but we never
considered at all what was the meaning of sameness or difference of
nature, or why we distinguished them when we assigned different pursuits
to different natures and the same to the same natures.
Why, no, he said, that was never considered by us.
C
I said: Suppose that by way of illustration we were to ask the question
whether there is not an opposition in nature between bald men and hairy
men; and if this is admitted by us, then, if bald men are cobblers, we
should forbid the hairy men to be cobblers, and conversely?
That would be a jest, he said.
Yes, I said, a jest; and why? because we never meant when we constructed
the State, that the opposition of natures should extend to every
difference, but only to those Ddifferences which affected the pursuit in
which the individual is engaged; we should have argued, for example, that
a physician and one who is in mind a physician5 may be said to have the
same nature.
True.
Whereas the physician and the carpenter have different natures?
Certainly.
And if, I said, the male and female sex appear to differ in their fitness
for any art or pursuit, we should say that such pursuit or art ought to be
assigned to one or the other of them; but if the difference consists only
in women bearing Eand men begetting children, this does not amount to a
proof that a woman differs from a man in respect of the sort of education
she should receive; and we shall therefore continue to maintain that our
guardians and their wives ought to have the same pursuits.
Very true, he said.
Next, we shall ask our opponent how, in reference to any 455of the pursuits
or arts of civic life, the nature of a woman differs from that of a man?
That will be quite fair.
And perhaps he, like yourself, will reply that to give a sufficient answer
on the instant is not easy; but after a little reflection there is no
difficulty.
Yes, perhaps.
Suppose then that we invite him to accompany us in the Bargument, and then
we may hope to show him that there is nothing peculiar in the constitution
of women which would affect them in the administration of the State.
By all means.
The same natural gifts are found in both sexes, but they are possessed in a higher degree by men than women.
Let us say to him: Come now, and we will ask you a question:—when
you spoke of a nature gifted or not gifted in any respect, did you mean to
say that one man will acquire a thing easily, another with difficulty; a
little learning will lead the one to discover a great deal; whereas the
other, after much study and application, no sooner learns than he forgets;
or again, did you mean, that the one has a body which is a good servant to
his mind, while the body of the other is a hindrance to him?—would
not these be the sort Cof differences which distinguish the man gifted by
nature from the one who is ungifted?
No one will deny that.
And can you mention any pursuit of mankind in which the male sex has not
all these gifts and qualities in a higher degree than the female? Need I
waste time in speaking of the art of weaving, and the management of
pancakes and preserves, in which womankind does really appear to be great,
and in which for her to be beaten by a man is of all Dthings the most
absurd?
You are quite right, he replied, in maintaining the general inferiority of
the female sex: although many women are in many things superior to many
men, yet on the whole what you say is true.
And if so, my friend, I said, there is no special faculty of
administration in a state which a woman has because she is a woman, or
which a man has by virtue of his sex, but the gifts of nature are alike
diffused in both; all the pursuits of Emen are the pursuits of women also,
but in all of them a woman is inferior to a man.
Very true.
Men and women are to be governed by the same laws and to have the same pursuits.
Then are we to impose all our enactments on men and none of them on women?
That will never do.
456
One woman has a gift of healing, another not; one is a musician, and
another has no music in her nature?
Very true.
And one woman has a turn for gymnastic and military exercises, and another
is unwarlike and hates gymnastics?
Certainly.
And one woman is a philosopher, and another is an enemy of philosophy; one
has spirit, and another is without spirit?
That is also true.
Then one woman will have the temper of a guardian, and another not. Was
not the selection of the male guardians determined by differences of this
sort?
Yes.
Men and women alike possess the qualities which make a guardian; they
differ only in their comparative strength or weakness.
Obviously.
B
And those women who have such qualities are to be selected as the
companions and colleagues of men who have similar qualities and whom they
resemble in capacity and in character?
Very true.
And ought not the same natures to have the same pursuits?
They ought.
Then, as we were saying before, there is nothing unnatural in assigning
music and gymnastic to the wives of the guardians—to that point we
come round again.
Certainly not.
The law which we then enacted was agreeable to nature, Cand therefore not
an impossibility or mere aspiration; and the contrary practice, which
prevails at present, is in reality a violation of nature.
That appears to be true.
We had to consider, first, whether our proposals were possible, and
secondly whether they were the most beneficial?
Yes.
And the possibility has been acknowledged?
Yes.
The very great benefit has next to be established?
Quite so.
There are different degrees of goodness both in women and in men.
You will admit that the same education which makes a man a good guardian
will make a woman a good guardian; for Dtheir original nature is the same?
Yes.
I should like to ask you a question.
What is it?
Would you say that all men are equal in excellence, or is one man better
than another?
The latter.
And in the commonwealth which we were founding do you conceive the
guardians who have been brought up on our model system to be more perfect
men, or the cobblers whose education has been cobbling?
What a ridiculous question!
You have answered me, I replied: Well, and may we not Efurther say that our
guardians are the best of our citizens?
By far the best.
And will not their wives be the best women?
Yes, by far the best.
And can there be anything better for the interests of the State than that
the men and women of a State should be as good as possible?
There can be nothing better.
457
And this is what the arts of music and gymnastic, when present in such
manner as we have described, will accomplish?
Certainly.
Then we have made an enactment not only possible but in the highest degree
beneficial to the State?
True.
Then let the wives of our guardians strip, for their virtue will be their
robe, and let them share in the toils of war and the defence of their
country; only in the distribution of labours the lighter are to be
assigned to the women, who are the weaker natures, but in other respects
their duties are to be the same. BAnd as for the man who laughs at naked
women exercising their bodies from the best of motives, in his laughter he
is plucking
‘A fruit of unripe wisdom,’
and he himself is ignorant of what he is laughing at, or what he is about;—for
that is, and ever will be, the best of The noble saying.sayings, That the useful is the
noble and the hurtful is the base.
Very true.
Here, then, is one difficulty in our law about women, which we may say
that we have now escaped; the wave has not swallowed us up alive for
enacting that the guardians of either sex should have all their pursuits
in common; to the utility Cand also to the possibility of this arrangement
the consistency of the argument with itself bears witness.
Yes, that was a mighty wave which you have escaped.
The second and greater wave.
Yes, I said, but a greater is coming; you will not think much of this when
you see the next.
Go on; let me see.
The law, I said, which is the sequel of this and of all that has preceded,
is to the following effect,—‘that the wives of Dour guardians are to
be common, and their children are to be common, and no parent is to know
his own child, nor any child his parent.’
Yes, he said, that is a much greater wave than the other; and the
possibility as well as the utility of such a law are far more
questionable.
I do not think, I said, that there can be any dispute about the very great
utility of having wives and children in common; the possibility is quite
another matter, and will be very much disputed.
E
I think that a good many doubts may be raised about both.
The utility and possibility of a community of wives and children.
You imply that the two questions must be combined, I replied. Now I meant
that you should admit the utility; and in this way, as I thought, I should
escape from one of them, and then there would remain only the possibility.
But that little attempt is detected, and therefore you will please to give
a defence of both.
Well, I said, I submit to my fate. Yet grant me a little 458favour: let me
feast my mind with the dream as day dreamers are in the habit of feasting
themselves when they are walking alone; for before they have discovered
any means of effecting their wishes—that is a matter which never
troubles them—they would rather not tire themselves by thinking
about possibilities; but assuming that what they desire is already granted
to them, they proceed with their plan, and delight in detailing what they
mean to do when their wish has come true—that is a way which they
have of not doing much good Bto a capacity which was never good for much.
The utility to be considered first, the possibility afterwards.Now I myself am beginning to lose heart, and I should like, with your
permission, to pass over the question of possibility at present. Assuming
therefore the possibility of the proposal, I shall now proceed to enquire
how the rulers will carry out these arrangements, and I shall demonstrate
that our plan, if executed, will be of the greatest benefit to the State
and to the guardians. First of all, then, if you have no objection, I will
endeavour with your help to consider the advantages of the measure; and
hereafter the question of possibility.
I have no objection; proceed.
First, I think that if our rulers and their auxiliaries are to Cbe worthy
of the name which they bear, there must be willingness to obey in the one
and the power of command in the other; the guardians must themselves obey
the laws, and they must also imitate the spirit of them in any details
which are entrusted to their care.
That is right, he said.
The legislator will select guardians male and female, who will meet at common meals and exercises, and will be drawn to one another by an irresistible necessity.
You, I said, who are their legislator, having selected the men, will now
select the women and give them to them;—they must be as far as
possible of like natures with them; and they must live in common houses
and meet at common meals. None of them will have anything specially his or
her own; Dthey will be together, and will be brought up together, and will
associate at gymnastic exercises. And so they will be drawn by a necessity
of their natures to have intercourse with each other—necessity is
not too strong a word, I think?
Yes, he said;—necessity, not geometrical, but another sort of
necessity which lovers know, and which is far more convincing and
constraining to the mass of mankind.
True, I said; and this, Glaucon, like all the rest, must proceed after an
orderly fashion; in a city of the blessed, Elicentiousness is an unholy
thing which the rulers will forbid.
Yes, he said, and it ought not to be permitted.
Then clearly the next thing will be to make matrimony sacred in the
highest degree, and what is most beneficial will be deemed sacred?
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Exactly.
The breeding of human beings, as of animals, to be from the best and from those who are of a ripe age.
And how can marriages be made most beneficial?—that is a question
which I put to you, because I see in your house dogs for hunting, and of
the nobler sort of birds not a few. Now, I beseech you, do tell me, have
you ever attended to their pairing and breeding?
In what particulars?
Why, in the first place, although they are all of a good sort, are not
some better than others?
True.
And do you breed from them all indifferently, or do you take care to breed
from the best only?
From the best.
B
And do you take the oldest or the youngest, or only those of ripe age?
I choose only those of ripe age.
And if care was not taken in the breeding, your dogs and birds would
greatly deteriorate?
Certainly.
And the same of horses and animals in general?
Undoubtedly.
Good heavens! my dear friend, I said, what consummate skill will our
rulers need if the same principle holds of the human species!
C
Certainly, the same principle holds; but why does this involve any
particular skill?
Useful lies ‘very honest knaveries.’
Because, I said, our rulers will often have to practise upon the body
corporate with medicines. Now you know that when patients do not require
medicines, but have only to be put under a regimen, the inferior sort of
practitioner is deemed to be good enough; but when medicine has to be
given, then the doctor should be more of a man.
That is quite true, he said; but to what are you alluding?
I mean, I replied, that our rulers will find a considerable dose of
falsehood and deceit necessary for the good of their subjects: Dwe were
saying that the use of all these things regarded as medicines might be of
advantage.
And we were very right.
And this lawful use of them seems likely to be often needed in the
regulations of marriages and births.
How so?
Arrangements for the improvement of the breed;
Why, I said, the principle has been already laid down that the best of
either sex should be united with the best as often, and the inferior with
the inferior, as seldom as possible; and that they should rear the
offspring of the one sort of union, Ebut not of the other, if the flock is
to be maintained in first-rate condition. Now these goings on must be a
secret which the rulers only know, or there will be a further danger of
our herd, as the guardians may be termed, breaking out into rebellion.
Very true.
and for the regulation of population.
Had we not better appoint certain festivals at which we will bring
together the brides and bridegrooms, and sacrifices 460will be offered and
suitable hymeneal songs composed by our poets: the number of weddings is a
matter which must be left to the discretion of the rulers, whose aim will
be to preserve the average of population? There are many other things
which they will have to consider, such as the effects of wars and diseases
and any similar agencies, in order as far as this is possible to prevent
the State from becoming either too large or too small.
Certainly, he replied.
Pairing by lot.
We shall have to invent some ingenious kind of lots which the less worthy
may draw on each occasion of our bringing them together, and then they
will accuse their own ill-luck and not the rulers.
To be sure, he said.
B The brave deserve the fair.
And I think that our braver and better youth, besides their other honours
and rewards, might have greater facilities of intercourse with women given
them; their bravery will be a reason, and such fathers ought to have as
many sons as possible.
True.
And the proper officers, whether male or female or both, for offices are
to be held by women as well as by men—
Yes—
C What is to be done with the children?
The proper officers will take the offspring of the good parents to the pen
or fold, and there they will deposit them with certain nurses who dwell in
a separate quarter; but the offspring of the inferior, or of the better
when they chance to be deformed, will be put away in some mysterious,
unknown place, as they should be.
Yes, he said, that must be done if the breed of the guardians is to be
kept pure.
They will provide for their nurture, and will bring the mothers to the
fold when they are full of milk, taking the Dgreatest possible care that no
mother recognises her own child; and other wet-nurses may be engaged if
more are required. Care will also be taken that the process of suckling
shall not be protracted too long; and the mothers will have no getting up
at night or other trouble, but will hand over all this sort of thing to
the nurses and attendants.
You suppose the wives of our guardians to have a fine easy time of it when
they are having children.
Why, said I, and so they ought. Let us, however, proceed with our scheme.
We were saying that the parents should be in the prime of life?
Very true.
E
And what is the prime of life? May it not be defined as a period of about
twenty years in a woman’s life, and thirty in a man’s?
Which years do you mean to include?
A woman to bear children from twenty to forty; a man to beget them from twenty-five to fifty-five.
A woman, I said, at twenty years of age may begin to bear children to the
State, and continue to bear them until forty; a man may begin at
five-and-twenty, when he has passed the point at which the pulse of life
beats quickest, and continue to beget children until he be fifty-five.
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Certainly, he said, both in men and women those years are the prime of
physical as well as of intellectual vigour.
Any one above or below the prescribed ages who takes part in the public
hymeneals shall be said to have done an unholy and unrighteous thing; the
child of which he is the father, if it steals into life, will have been
conceived under auspices very unlike the sacrifices and prayers, which at
each hymeneal priestesses and priest and the whole city will offer, that
the new generation may be better and more useful than their Bgood and
useful parents, whereas his child will be the offspring of darkness and
strange lust.
Very true, he replied.
And the same law will apply to any one of those within the prescribed age
who forms a connection with any woman in the prime of life without the
sanction of the rulers; for we shall say that he is raising up a bastard
to the State, uncertified and unconsecrated.
Very true, he replied.
After the
prescribed age has been passed, more licence is allowed: but all who
were born after certain hymeneal festivals at which their parents or
grandparents came together must be kept separate.
This applies, however, only to those who are within the specified age:
after that we allow them to range at will, Cexcept that a man may not marry
his daughter or his daughter’s daughter, or his mother or his mother’s
mother; and women, on the other hand, are prohibited from marrying their
sons or fathers, or son’s son or father’s father, and so on in either
direction. And we grant all this, accompanying the permission with strict
orders to prevent any embryo which may come into being from seeing the
light; and if any force a way to the birth, the parents must understand
that the offspring of such an union cannot be maintained, and arrange
accordingly.
That also, he said, is a reasonable proposition. But how Dwill they know
who are fathers and daughters, and so on?
They will never know. The way will be this:—dating from the day of
the hymeneal, the bridegroom who was then married will call all the male
children who are born in the seventh and tenth month afterwards his sons,
and the female children his daughters, and they will call him father, and
he will call their children his grandchildren, and they will call the
elder generation grandfathers and grandmothers. All who were begotten at
the time when their fathers and mothers came together will be called their
brothers and Esisters, and these, as I was saying, will be forbidden to
inter-marry. This, however, is not to be understood as an absolute
prohibition of the marriage of brothers and sisters; if the lot favours
them, and they receive the sanction of the Pythian oracle, the law will
allow them.
Quite right, he replied.
Such is the scheme, Glaucon, according to which the guardians of our State
are to have their wives and families in common. And now you would have the
argument show that this community is consistent with the rest of our
polity, and also that nothing can be better—would you not?
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Yes, certainly.
Shall we try to find a common basis by asking of ourselves what ought to
be the chief aim of the legislator in making laws and in the organization
of a State,—what is the greatest good, and what is the greatest
evil, and then consider whether our previous description has the stamp of
the good or of the evil?
By all means.
The greatest good of States, unity; the greatest evil, discord. The one the result of public, the other of private feelings.
Can there be any greater evil than discord and distraction Band plurality
where unity ought to reign? or any greater good than the bond of unity?
There cannot.
And there is unity where there is community of pleasures and pains—where
all the citizens are glad or grieved on the same occasions of joy and
sorrow?
No doubt.
Yes; and where there is no common but only private feeling a State is
disorganized—when you have one half of the world triumphing and the
other plunged in grief at Cthe same events happening to the city or the
citizens?
Certainly.
Such differences commonly originate in a disagreement about the use of the
terms ‘mine’ and ‘not mine,’ ‘his’ and ‘not his.’
Exactly so.
And is not that the best-ordered State in which the greatest number of
persons apply the terms ‘mine’ and ‘not mine’ in the same way to the same
thing?
Quite true.
The State like a living being which feels altogether when hurt in any part.
Or that again which most nearly approaches to the condition of the
individual—as in the body, when but a finger of one of us is hurt,
the whole frame, drawn towards the soul as a centre and forming one
kingdom under the ruling power Dtherein, feels the hurt and sympathizes all
together with the part affected, and we say that the man has a pain in his
finger; and the same expression is used about any other part of the body,
which has a sensation of pain at suffering or of pleasure at the
alleviation of suffering.
Very true, he replied; and I agree with you that in the best-ordered State
there is the nearest approach to this common feeling which you describe.
Then when any one of the citizens experiences any good Eor evil, the whole
State will make his case their own, and will either rejoice or sorrow with
him?
Yes, he said, that is what will happen in a well-ordered State.
How different are the terms which are applied to the rulers in other States and in our own!
It will now be time, I said, for us to return to our State and see whether
this or some other form is most in accordance with these fundamental
principles.
Very good.
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Our State like every other has rulers and subjects?
True.
All of whom will call one another citizens?
Of course.
But is there not another name which people give to their rulers in other
States?
Generally they call them masters, but in democratic States they simply
call them rulers.
And in our State what other name besides that of citizens do the people
give the rulers?
B
They are called saviours and helpers, he replied.
And what do the rulers call the people?
Their maintainers and foster-fathers.
And what do they call them in other States?
Slaves.
And what do the rulers call one another in other States?
Fellow-rulers.
And what in ours?
Fellow-guardians.
Did you ever know an example in any other State of a ruler who would speak
of one of his colleagues as his friend and of another as not being his
friend?
Yes, very often.
And the friend he regards and describes as one in whom Che has an interest,
and the other as a stranger in whom he has no interest?
Exactly.
But would any of your guardians think or speak of any other guardian as a
stranger?
Certainly he would not; for every one whom they meet will be regarded by
them either as a brother or sister, or father or mother, or son or
daughter, or as the child or parent of those who are thus connected with
him.
The State one family.
Capital, I said; but let me ask you once more: Shall they Dbe a family in
name only; or shall they in all their actions be true to the name? For
example, in the use of the word ‘father,’ would the care of a father be
implied and the filial reverence and duty and obedience to him which the
law commands; and is the violator of these duties to be regarded as an
impious and unrighteous person who is not likely to receive much good
either at the hands of God or of man? Are these to be or not to be the
strains which the children will hear repeated in their ears by all the
citizens about those who are intimated to them to be their parents and the
rest of their kinsfolk?
E Using the same
terms, they will have the same modes of thinking and acting, and this is
to be attributed mainly to the community of women and children.
These, he said, and none other; for what can be more ridiculous than for
them to utter the names of family ties with the lips only and not to act
in the spirit of them?
Then in our city the language of harmony and concord will be more often
heard than in any other. As I was describing before, when any one is well
or ill, the universal word will be ‘with me it is well’ or ‘it is ill.’
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Most true.
And agreeably to this mode of thinking and speaking, were we not saying
that they will have their pleasures and pains in common?
Yes, and so they will.
And they will have a common interest in the same thing which they will
alike call ‘my own,’ and having this common interest they will have a
common feeling of pleasure and pain?
Yes, far more so than in other States.
And the reason of this, over and above the general constitution of the
State, will be that the guardians will have a community of women and
children?
That will be the chief reason.
B
And this unity of feeling we admitted to be the greatest good, as was
implied in our own comparison of a well-ordered State to the relation of
the body and the members, when affected by pleasure or pain?
That we acknowledged, and very rightly.
Then the community of wives and children among our citizens is clearly the
source of the greatest good to the State?
Certainly.
And this agrees with the other principle which we were affirming,—that
the guardians were not to have houses or Clands or any other property;
their pay was to be their food, which they were to receive from the other
citizens, and they were to have no private expenses; for we intended them
to preserve their true character of guardians.
Right, he replied.
There will be no private interests among them, and therefore no lawsuits or trials for assault or violence to elders.
Both the community of property and the community of families, as I am
saying, tend to make them more truly guardians; they will not tear the
city in pieces by differing about ‘mine’ and ‘not mine;’ each man dragging
any Dacquisition which he has made into a separate house of his own, where
he has a separate wife and children and private pleasures and pains; but
all will be affected as far as may be by the same pleasures and pains
because they are all of one opinion about what is near and dear to them,
and therefore they all tend towards a common end.
Certainly, he replied.
And as they have nothing but their persons which they can call their own,
suits and complaints will have no existence Eamong them; they will be
delivered from all those quarrels of which money or children or relations
are the occasion.
Of course they will.
Neither will trials for assault or insult ever be likely to occur among
them. For that equals should defend themselves against equals we shall
maintain to be honourable and right; 465we shall make the protection of the
person a matter of necessity.
That is good, he said.
Yes; and there is a further good in the law; viz. that if a man has a
quarrel with another he will satisfy his resentment then and there, and
not proceed to more dangerous lengths.
Certainly.
To the elder shall be assigned the duty of ruling and chastising the
younger.
Clearly.
Nor can there be a doubt that the younger will not strike or do any other
violence to an elder, unless the magistrates command him; nor will he
slight him in any way. For there are two guardians, shame and fear, mighty
to prevent him: shame, which makes men refrain from laying hands on Bthose
who are to them in the relation of parents; fear, that the injured one
will be succoured by the others who are his brothers, sons, fathers.
That is true, he replied.
Then in every way the laws will help the citizens to keep the peace with
one another?
Yes, there will be no want of peace.
From how many other evils will our citizens be delivered!
And as the guardians will never quarrel among themselves there will be no
danger of the rest of the city being divided either against them or
against one another.
None whatever.
I hardly like even to mention the little meannesses of C which they will be
rid, for they are beneath notice: such, for example, as the flattery of
the rich by the poor, and all the pains and pangs which men experience in
bringing up a family, and in finding money to buy necessaries for their
household, borrowing and then repudiating, getting how they can, and
giving the money into the hands of women and slaves to keep—the many
evils of so many kinds which people suffer in this way are mean enough and
obvious enough, and not worth speaking of.
D
Yes, he said, a man has no need of eyes in order to perceive that.
And from all these evils they will be delivered, and their life will be
blessed as the life of Olympic victors and yet more blessed.
How so?
The Olympic victor, I said, is deemed happy in receiving a part only of
the blessedness which is secured to our citizens, who have won a more
glorious victory and have a more complete maintenance at the public cost.
For the victory which they have won is the salvation of the whole State;
and the crown with which they and their children are crowned is the
fulness of all that life needs; they receive Erewards from the hands of
their country while living, and after death have an honourable burial.
Yes, he said, and glorious rewards they are.
Answer to the charge of Adeimantus that we made our citizens unhappy for their own good.
Do you remember, I said, how in the course of the previous 466discussion6 some
one who shall be nameless accused us of making our guardians unhappy—they
had nothing and might have possessed all things—to whom we replied
that, if an occasion offered, we might perhaps hereafter consider this
question, but that, as at present advised, we would make our guardians
truly guardians, and that we were fashioning the State with a view to the
greatest happiness, not of any particular class, but of the whole?
Yes, I remember.
Their life not to be compared with that of citizens in ordinary States.
And what do you say, now that the life of our protectors is made out to be
far better and nobler than that of Olympic Bvictors—is the life of
shoemakers, or any other artisans, or of husbandmen, to be compared with
it?
Certainly not.
He who seeks to be more than a guardian is naught.
At the same time I ought here to repeat what I have said elsewhere, that
if any of our guardians shall try to be happy in such a manner that he
will cease to be a guardian, and is not content with this safe and
harmonious life, which, in our judgment, is of all lives the best, but
infatuated by some youthful conceit of happiness which gets up into his
head Cshall seek to appropriate the whole state to himself, then he will
have to learn how wisely Hesiod spoke, when he said, ‘half is more than
the whole.’
If he were to consult me, I should say to him: Stay where you are, when
you have the offer of such a life.
The common way of life includes common education, common children, common services and duties of men and women.
You agree then, I said, that men and women are to have a common way of
life such as we have described—common education, common children;
and they are to watch over the citizens in common whether abiding in the
city or going out to war; they are to keep watch together, and to hunt
Dtogether like dogs; and always and in all things, as far as they are able,
women are to share with the men? And in so doing they will do what is
best, and will not violate, but preserve the natural relation of the
sexes.
I agree with you, he replied.
The enquiry, I said, has yet to be made, whether such a community be found
possible—as among other animals, so also among men—and if
possible, in what way possible?
You have anticipated the question which I was about to suggest.
E
There is no difficulty, I said, in seeing how war will be carried on by
them.
How?
The children to accompany their parents on military expeditions;
Why, of course they will go on expeditions together; and will take with
them any of their children who are strong enough, that, after the manner
of the artisan’s child, they may look on at the work which they will have
to do when they are grown up; 467and besides looking on they will have to
help and be of use in war, and to wait upon their fathers and mothers. Did
you never observe in the arts how the potters’ boys look on and help, long
before they touch the wheel?
Yes, I have.
And shall potters be more careful in educating their children and in
giving them the opportunity of seeing and practising their duties than our
guardians will be?
The idea is ridiculous, he said.
There is also the effect on the parents, with whom, as with Bother animals,
the presence of their young ones will be the greatest incentive to valour.
That is quite true, Socrates; and yet if they are defeated, which may
often happen in war, how great the danger is! the children will be lost as
well as their parents, and the State will never recover.
True, I said; but would you never allow them to run any risk?
I am far from saying that.
Well, but if they are ever to run a risk should they not do so on some
occasion when, if they escape disaster, they will be the better for it?
Clearly.
C but care must be taken that they do not run any serious risk.
Whether the future soldiers do or do not see war in the days of their
youth is a very important matter, for the sake of which some risk may
fairly be incurred.
Yes, very important.
This then must be our first step,—to make our children spectators of
war; but we must also contrive that they shall be secured against danger;
then all will be well.
True.
Their parents may be supposed not to be blind to the risks of war, but to
know, as far as human foresight can, what Dexpeditions are safe and what
dangerous?
That may be assumed.
And they will take them on the safe expeditions and be cautious about the
dangerous ones?
True.
And they will place them under the command of experienced veterans who
will be their leaders and teachers?
Very properly.
Still, the dangers of war cannot be always foreseen; there is a good deal
of chance about them?
True.
Then against such chances the children must be at once furnished with
wings, in order that in the hour of need they may fly away and escape.
E
What do you mean? he said.
I mean that we must mount them on horses in their earliest youth, and when
they have learnt to ride, take them on horseback to see war: the horses
must not be spirited and warlike, but the most tractable and yet the
swiftest that can be had. In this way they will get an excellent view of
what is 468hereafter to be their own business; and if there is danger they
have only to follow their elder leaders and escape.
I believe that you are right, he said.
The coward is to be degraded into a lower rank.
Next, as to war; what are to be the relations of your soldiers to one
another and to their enemies? I should be inclined to propose that the
soldier who leaves his rank or throws away his arms, or is guilty of any
other act of cowardice, should be degraded into the rank of a husbandman
or artisan. What do you think?
By all means, I should say.
And he who allows himself to be taken prisoner may as well be made a
present of to his enemies; he is their lawful prey, and let them do what
they like with him.
B
Certainly.
The hero to receive honour from his comrades and favour from his beloved,
But the hero who has distinguished himself, what shall be done to him? In
the first place, he shall receive honour in the army from his youthful
comrades; every one of them in succession shall crown him. What do you
say?
I approve.
And what do you say to his receiving the right hand of fellowship?
To that too, I agree.
But you will hardly agree to my next proposal.
What is your proposal?
That he should kiss and be kissed by them.
Most certainly, and I should be disposed to go further, and say: CLet no
one whom he has a mind to kiss refuse to be kissed by him while the
expedition lasts. So that if there be a lover in the army, whether his
love be youth or maiden, he may be more eager to win the prize of valour.
Capital, I said. That the brave man is to have more wives than others has
been already determined: and he is to have first choices in such matters
more than others, in order that he may have as many children as possible?
Agreed.
and to have precedence, and a larger share of meats and drinks;
Again, there is another manner in which, according to DHomer, brave youths
should be honoured; for he tells how Ajax7, after he had distinguished
himself in battle, was rewarded with long chines, which seems to be a
compliment appropriate to a hero in the flower of his age, being not only
a tribute of honour but also a very strengthening thing.
Most true, he said.
Then in this, I said, Homer shall be our teacher; and we too, at
sacrifices and on the like occasions, will honour the brave according to
the measure of their valour, whether men or women, with hymns and those
other distinctions which we were mentioning; also with
E
‘seats of precedence, and meats and full cups8;’
and in honouring them, we shall be at the same time training them.
That, he replied, is excellent.
Yes, I said; and when a man dies gloriously in war shall we not say, in
the first place, that he is of the golden race?
To be sure.
also to be worshipped after death.
Nay, have we not the authority of Hesiod for affirming that when they are
dead
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‘They are holy angels upon the earth, authors of good, averters of evil,
the guardians of speech-gifted men’?9
Yes; and we accept his authority.
We must learn of the god how we are to order the sepulture of divine and
heroic personages, and what is to be their special distinction; and we
must do as he bids?
By all means.
And in ages to come we will reverence them and kneel Bbefore their
sepulchres as at the graves of heroes. And not only they but any who are
deemed pre-eminently good, whether they die from age, or in any other way,
shall be admitted to the same honours.
That is very right, he said.
Behaviour to enemies.
Next, how shall our soldiers treat their enemies? What about this?
In what respect do you mean?
First of all, in regard to slavery? Do you think it right that Hellenes
should enslave Hellenic States, or allow others to enslave them, if they
can help? Should not their custom be to spare them, considering the danger
which there is Cthat the whole race may one day fall under the yoke of the
barbarians?
To spare them is infinitely better.
No Hellene shall be made a slave.
Then no Hellene should be owned by them as a slave; that is a rule which
they will observe and advise the other Hellenes to observe.
Certainly, he said; they will in this way be united against the barbarians
and will keep their hands off one another.
Next as to the slain; ought the conquerors, I said, to take anything but
their armour? Does not the practice of Ddespoiling an enemy afford an
excuse for not facing the battle? Cowards skulk about the dead, pretending
that they are fulfilling a duty, and many an army before now has been lost
from this love of plunder.
Very true.
Those who fall in battle are not to be despoiled.
And is there not illiberality and avarice in robbing a corpse, and also a
degree of meanness and womanishness in making an enemy of the dead body
when the real enemy has flown away and left only his fighting gear behind
him,—is not this Erather like a dog who cannot get at his assailant,
quarrelling with the stones which strike him instead?
Very like a dog, he said.
Then we must abstain from spoiling the dead or hindering their burial?
Yes, he replied, we most certainly must.
The arms of Hellenes are not to be offered at temples;
Neither shall we offer up arms at the temples of the gods, 470least of all
the arms of Hellenes, if we care to maintain good feeling with other
Hellenes; and, indeed, we have reason to fear that the offering of spoils
taken from kinsmen may be a pollution unless commanded by the god himself?
Very true.
Again, as to the devastation of Hellenic territory or the burning of
houses, what is to be the practice?
May I have the pleasure, he said, of hearing your opinion?
Both should be forbidden, in my judgment; I would take the Bannual produce
and no more. Shall I tell you why?
Pray do.
nor Hellenic territory devastated.
Why, you see, there is a difference in the names ‘discord’ and ‘war,’ and
I imagine that there is also a difference in their natures; the one is
expressive of what is internal and domestic, the other of what is external
and foreign; and the first of the two is termed discord, and only the
second, war.
That is a very proper distinction, he replied.
C
And may I not observe with equal propriety that the Hellenic race is all
united together by ties of blood and friendship, and alien and strange to
the barbarians?
Very good, he said.
And therefore when Hellenes fight with barbarians and barbarians with
Hellenes, they will be described by us as being at war when they fight,
and by nature enemies, and this kind of antagonism should be called war;
Hellenic warfare is only a kind of discord not intended to be lasting.but when Hellenes fight with one another we shall say that Hellas is then
in a state of disorder and discord, they being by nature friends; Dand such
enmity is to be called discord.
I agree.
Consider then, I said, when that which we have acknowledged to be discord
occurs, and a city is divided, if both parties destroy the lands and burn
the houses of one another, how wicked does the strife appear! No true
lover of his country would bring himself to tear in pieces his own nurse
and mother: There might be reason in the conqueror depriving the conquered
of their harvest, but still they would Ehave the idea of peace in their
hearts and would not mean to go on fighting for ever.
Yes, he said, that is a better temper than the other.
And will not the city, which you are founding, be an Hellenic city?
It ought to be, he replied.
Then will not the citizens be good and civilized?
Yes, very civilized.
The lover of his own city will also be a lover of Hellas.
And will they not be lovers of Hellas, and think of Hellas as their own
land, and share in the common temples?
Most certainly.
And any difference which arises among them will be 471regarded by them as
discord only—a quarrel among friends, which is not to be called a
war?
Certainly not.
Then they will quarrel as those who intend some day to be reconciled?
Certainly.
They will use friendly correction, but will not enslave or destroy their
opponents; they will be correctors, not enemies?
Just so.
Hellenes should deal mildly with Hellenes; and with barbarians as Hellenes now deal with one another.
And as they are Hellenes themselves they will not devastate Hellas, nor
will they burn houses, nor ever suppose that the whole population of a
city—men, women, and children—are equally their enemies, for
they know that the guilt of war is always confined to a few persons and
that the many are their friends. BAnd for all these reasons they will be
unwilling to waste their lands and rase their houses; their enmity to them
will only last until the many innocent sufferers have compelled the guilty
few to give satisfaction?
I agree, he said, that our citizens should thus deal with their Hellenic
enemies; and with barbarians as the Hellenes now deal with one another.
Then let us enact this law also for our guardians:—that they are
neither to devastate the lands of Hellenes nor to Cburn their houses.
Agreed; and we may agree also in thinking that these, like all our
previous enactments, are very good.
The complaint of Glaucon respecting the hesitation of Socrates.
But still I must say, Socrates, that if you are allowed to go on in this
way you will entirely forget the other question which at the commencement
of this discussion you thrust aside:—Is such an order of things
possible, and how, if at all? For I am quite ready to acknowledge that the
plan which you propose, if only feasible, would do all sorts of good to
the State. I will add, what you have omitted, that your Dcitizens will be
the bravest of warriors, and will never leave their ranks, for they will
all know one another, and each will call the other father, brother, son;
and if you suppose the women to join their armies, whether in the same
rank or in the rear, either as a terror to the enemy, or as auxiliaries in
case of need, I know that they will then be absolutely invincible; and
there are many domestic advantages which might also be mentioned and which
I also fully acknowledge: Ebut, as I admit all these advantages and as many
more as you please, if only this State of yours were to come into
existence, we need say no more about them; assuming then the existence of
the State, let us now turn to the question of possibility and ways and
means—the rest may be left.
472 Socrates excuses himself and makes one or two remarks preparatory to a final effort.
If I loiter10 for a moment, you instantly make a raid upon me, I said, and
have no mercy; I have hardly escaped the first and second waves, and you
seem not to be aware that you are now bringing upon me the third, which is
the greatest and heaviest. When you have seen and heard the third wave, I
think you will be more considerate and will acknowledge that some fear and
hesitation was natural respecting a proposal so extraordinary as that
which I have now to state and investigate.
The more appeals of this sort which you make, he said, the Bmore determined
are we that you shall tell us how such a State is possible: speak out and
at once.
Let me begin by reminding you that we found our way hither in the search
after justice and injustice.
True, he replied; but what of that?
I was only going to ask whether, if we have discovered them, we are to
require that the just man should in nothing fail of absolute justice; or
may we be satisfied with an approximation, Cand the attainment in him of a
higher degree of justice than is to be found in other men?
The approximation will be enough.
We were enquiring into the nature of absolute justice and into the
character of the perfectly just, and into injustice and the perfectly
unjust, that we might have an ideal. (1) The ideal is a standard only which can never be perfectly realized;We were to look at these in order
that we might judge of our own happiness and unhappiness according to the
standard Dwhich they exhibited and the degree in which we resembled them,
but not with any view of showing that they could exist in fact.
True, he said.
Would a painter be any the worse because, after having delineated with
consummate art an ideal of a perfectly beautiful man, he was unable to
show that any such man could ever have existed?
He would be none the worse.
E
Well, and were we not creating an ideal of a perfect State?
To be sure.
(2) but is none the worse for this.
And is our theory a worse theory because we are unable to prove the
possibility of a city being ordered in the manner described?
Surely not, he replied.
That is the truth, I said. But if, at your request, I am to try and show
how and under what conditions the possibility is highest, I must ask you,
having this in view, to repeat your former admissions.
What admissions?
473
I want to know whether ideals are ever fully realized in language? Does
not the word express more than the fact, and must not the actual, whatever
a man may think, always, in the nature of things, fall short of the truth?
What do you say?
I agree.
Then you must not insist on my proving that the actual State will in every
respect coincide with the ideal: if we are only able to discover how a
city may be governed nearly as we proposed, you will admit that we have
discovered the possibility which you demand; and will be contented. BI am
sure that I should be contented—will not you?
Yes, I will.
(3) Although the ideal cannot be realized, one or two changes, or rather a single change, might revolutionize a State.
Let me next endeavour to show what is that fault in States which is the
cause of their present maladministration, and what is the least change
which will enable a State to pass into the truer form; and let the change,
if possible, be of one thing only, or, if not, of two; at any rate, let
the changes be as few and slight as possible.
C
Certainly, he replied.
I think, I said, that there might be a reform of the State if only one
change were made, which is not a slight or easy though still a possible
one.
What is it? he said.
Socrates goes forth to meet the wave.
Now then, I said, I go to meet that which I liken to the greatest of the
waves; yet shall the word be spoken, even though the wave break and drown
me in laughter and dishonour; and do you mark my words.
Proceed.
‘Cities will never cease from ill until they are governed by philosophers.’
I said: Until philosophers are kings, or the kings and princes of this
world have the spirit and power of philosophy, and Dpolitical greatness and
wisdom meet in one, and those commoner natures who pursue either to the
exclusion of the other are compelled to stand aside, cities will never
have rest from their evils,—nor the human race, as I believe,—and
then only will this Eour State have a possibility of life and behold the
light of day. Such was the thought, my dear Glaucon, which I would fain
have uttered if it had not seemed too extravagant; for to be convinced
that in no other State can there be happiness private or public is indeed
a hard thing.
What will the world say to this?
Socrates, what do you mean? I would have you consider that the word which
you have uttered is one at which numerous persons, and very respectable
persons too, in 474a figure pulling off their coats all in a moment, and
seizing any weapon that comes to hand, will run at you might and main,
before you know where you are, intending to do heaven knows what; and if
you don’t prepare an answer, and put yourself in motion, you will be
‘pared by their fine wits,’ and no mistake.
You got me into the scrape, I said.
And I was quite right; however, I will do all I can to get you out of it;
but I can only give you good-will and good advice, and, perhaps, I may be
able to fit answers to your questions better than another—that is
all. And now, having Bsuch an auxiliary, you must do your best to show the
unbelievers that you are right.
I ought to try, I said, since you offer me such invaluable assistance. And
I think that, if there is to be a chance of our escaping, But who is a philosopher?we must explain
to them whom we mean when we say that philosophers are to rule in the
State; then we shall be able to defend ourselves: There will be discovered
to be some natures who ought to study philosophy and to be Cleaders in the
State; and others who are not born to be philosophers, and are meant to be
followers rather than leaders.
Then now for a definition, he said.
Follow me, I said, and I hope that I may in some way or other be able to
give you a satisfactory explanation.
Proceed.
Parallel of the lover.
I dare say that you remember, and therefore I need not remind you, that a
lover, if he is worthy of the name, ought to show his love, not to some
one part of that which he loves, but to the whole.
D
I really do not understand, and therefore beg of you to assist my memory.
The lover of the fair loves them all;
Another person, I said, might fairly reply as you do; but a man of
pleasure like yourself ought to know that all who are in the flower of
youth do somehow or other raise a pang or emotion in a lover’s breast, and
are thought by him to be worthy of his affectionate regards. Is not this a
way which you have with the fair: one has a snub nose, and you praise his
charming face; the hook-nose of another has, you say, a royal look; while
he who is neither snub nor hooked has Ethe grace of regularity: the dark
visage is manly, the fair are children of the gods; and as to the sweet
‘honey pale,’ as they are called, what is the very name but the invention
of a lover who talks in diminutives, and is not averse to paleness if
appearing on the cheek of youth? In a word, there is no 475excuse which you
will not make, and nothing which you will not say, in order not to lose a
single flower that blooms in the spring-time of youth.
If you make me an authority in matters of love, for the sake of the
argument, I assent.
the lover of wines all wines;
And what do you say of lovers of wine? Do you not see them doing the same?
They are glad of any pretext of drinking any wine.
Very good.
the lover of honour all honour;
And the same is true of ambitious men; if they cannot command an army,
they are willing to command a file; and Bif they cannot be honoured by
really great and important persons, they are glad to be honoured by lesser
and meaner people,—but honour of some kind they must have.
Exactly.
Once more let me ask: Does he who desires any class of goods, desire the
whole class or a part only?
The whole.
the philosopher, or lover of wisdom, all knowledge.
And may we not say of the philosopher that he is a lover, not of a part of
wisdom only, but of the whole?
Yes, of the whole.
And he who dislikes learning, especially in youth, when Che has no power of
judging what is good and what is not, such an one we maintain not to be a
philosopher or a lover of knowledge, just as he who refuses his food is
not hungry, and may be said to have a bad appetite and not a good one?
Very true, he said.
Whereas he who has a taste for every sort of knowledge and who is curious
to learn and is never satisfied, may be justly termed a philosopher? Am I
not right?
D Under knowledge,
however, are not to be included sights and sounds, or under the lovers
of knowledge, musical amateurs and the like.
Glaucon said: If curiosity makes a philosopher, you will find many a
strange being will have a title to the name. All the lovers of sights have
a delight in learning, and must therefore be included. Musical amateurs,
too, are a folk strangely out of place among philosophers, for they are
the last persons in the world who would come to anything like a
philosophical discussion, if they could help, while they run about at the
Dionysiac festivals as if they had let out their ears to hear every
chorus; whether the performance is in town or country—that makes no
difference—they are there. Now are we E to maintain that all these and
any who have similar tastes, as well as the professors of quite minor
arts, are philosophers?
Certainly not, I replied; they are only an imitation.
He said: Who then are the true philosophers?
Those, I said, who are lovers of the vision of truth.
That is also good, he said; but I should like to know what you mean?
To another, I replied, I might have a difficulty in explaining; but I am
sure that you will admit a proposition which I am about to make.
What is the proposition?
That since beauty is the opposite of ugliness, they are two?
Certainly.
476
And inasmuch as they are two, each of them is one?
True again.
And of just and unjust, good and evil, and of every other class, the same
remark holds: taken singly, each of them is one; but from the various
combinations of them with actions and things and with one another, they
are seen in all sorts of lights and appear many?
Very true.
And this is the distinction which I draw between the sight-loving,
art-loving, practical class and those of whom I am Bspeaking, and who are
alone worthy of the name of philosophers.
How do you distinguish them? he said.
The lovers of sounds and sights, I replied, are, as I conceive, fond of
fine tones and colours and forms and all the artificial products that are
made out of them, but their mind is incapable of seeing or loving absolute
beauty.
True, he replied.
Few are they who are able to attain to the sight of this.
C
Very true.
And he who, having a sense of beautiful things has no sense of absolute
beauty, or who, if another lead him to a knowledge of that beauty is
unable to follow—of such an one I ask, Is he awake or in a dream
only? Reflect: is not the dreamer, sleeping or waking, one who likens
dissimilar things, who puts the copy in the place of the real object?
I should certainly say that such an one was dreaming.
True knowledge is
the ability to distinguish between the one and many, between the idea
and the objects which partake of the idea.
But take the case of the other, who recognises the existence Dof absolute
beauty and is able to distinguish the idea from the objects which
participate in the idea, neither putting the objects in the place of the
idea nor the idea in the place of the objects—is he a dreamer, or is
he awake?
He is wide awake.
And may we not say that the mind of the one who knows has knowledge, and
that the mind of the other, who opines only, has opinion?
Certainly.
But suppose that the latter should quarrel with us and dispute our
statement, can we administer any soothing Ecordial or advice to him,
without revealing to him that there is sad disorder in his wits?
We must certainly offer him some good advice, he replied.
Come, then, and let us think of something to say to him. Shall we begin by
assuring him that he is welcome to any knowledge which he may have, and
that we are rejoiced at his having it? But we should like to ask him a
question: Does he who has knowledge know something or nothing? (You must
answer for him.)
I answer that he knows something.
Something that is or is not?
Something that is; for how can that which is not ever be known?
477 There is an
intermediate between being and not being, and a corresponding
intermediate between ignorance and knowledge. This intermediate is a
faculty termed opinion.
And are we assured, after looking at the matter from many points of view,
that absolute being is or may be absolutely known, but that the utterly
non-existent is utterly unknown?
Nothing can be more certain.
Good. But if there be anything which is of such a nature as to be and not
to be, that will have a place intermediate between pure being and the
absolute negation of being?
Yes, between them.
And, as knowledge corresponded to being and ignorance of necessity to
not-being, for that intermediate between being and not-being there has to
be discovered a corresponding Bintermediate between ignorance and
knowledge, if there be such?
Certainly.
Do we admit the existence of opinion?
Undoubtedly.
As being the same with knowledge, or another faculty?
Another faculty.
Then opinion and knowledge have to do with different kinds of matter
corresponding to this difference of faculties?
Yes.
And knowledge is relative to being and knows being. But before I proceed
further I will make a division.
What division?
C
I will begin by placing faculties in a class by themselves: they are
powers in us, and in all other things, by which we do as we do. Sight and
hearing, for example, I should call faculties. Have I clearly explained
the class which I mean?
Yes, I quite understand.
Then let me tell you my view about them. I do not see them, and therefore
the distinctions of figure, colour, and the like, which enable me to
discern the differences of some things, do not apply to them. In speaking
of a faculty I think Donly of its sphere and its result; and that which has
the same sphere and the same result I call the same faculty, but that
which has another sphere and another result I call different. Would that
be your way of speaking?
Yes.
And will you be so very good as to answer one more question? Would you say
that knowledge is a faculty, or in what class would you place it?
Certainly knowledge is a faculty, and the mightiest of all faculties.
E
And is opinion also a faculty?
Certainly, he said; for opinion is that with which we are able to form an
opinion.
And yet you were acknowledging a little while ago that knowledge is not
the same as opinion?
Opinion differs from knowledge because the one errs and the other is unerring.
Why, yes, he said: how can any reasonable being ever identify that which
is infallible with that which errs?
478
An excellent answer, proving, I said, that we are quite conscious of a
distinction between them.
Yes.
Then knowledge and opinion having distinct powers have also distinct
spheres or subject-matters?
That is certain.
Being is the sphere or subject-matter of knowledge, and knowledge is to
know the nature of being?
Yes.
And opinion is to have an opinion?
Yes.
And do we know what we opine? or is the subject-matter of opinion the same
as the subject-matter of knowledge?
Nay, he replied, that has been already disproven; if difference in faculty
implies difference in the sphere or Bsubject-matter, and if, as we were
saying, opinion and knowledge are distinct faculties, then the sphere of
knowledge and of opinion cannot be the same.
Then if being is the subject-matter of knowledge, something else must be
the subject-matter of opinion?
Yes, something else.
It also differs from ignorance, which is concerned with nothing.
Well then, is not-being the subject-matter of opinion? or, rather, how can
there be an opinion at all about not-being? Reflect: when a man has an
opinion, has he not an opinion about something? Can he have an opinion
which is an opinion about nothing?
Impossible.
He who has an opinion has an opinion about some one thing?
Yes.
And not-being is not one thing but, properly speaking, Cnothing?
True.
Of not-being, ignorance was assumed to be the necessary correlative; of
being, knowledge?
True, he said.
Then opinion is not concerned either with being or with not-being?
Not with either.
And can therefore neither be ignorance nor knowledge?
That seems to be true.
Its place is not to be sought without or beyond knowledge or ignorance, but between them.
But is opinion to be sought without and beyond either of them, in a
greater clearness than knowledge, or in a greater darkness than ignorance?
In neither.
Then I suppose that opinion appears to you to be darker than knowledge,
but lighter than ignorance?
Both; and in no small degree.
D
And also to be within and between them?
Yes.
Then you would infer that opinion is intermediate?
No question.
But were we not saying before, that if anything appeared to be of a sort
which is and is not at the same time, that sort of thing would appear also
to lie in the interval between pure being and absolute not-being; and that
the corresponding faculty is neither knowledge nor ignorance, but will be
found in the interval between them?
True.
And in that interval there has now been discovered something which we call
opinion?
There has.
E
Then what remains to be discovered is the object which partakes equally of
the nature of being and not-being, and cannot rightly be termed either,
pure and simple; this unknown term, when discovered, we may truly call the
subject of opinion, and assign each to their proper faculty,—the
extremes to the faculties of the extremes and the mean to the faculty of
the mean.
True.
479 The absoluteness of the one and the relativeness of the many.
This being premised, I would ask the gentleman who is of opinion that
there is no absolute or unchangeable idea of beauty—in whose opinion
the beautiful is the manifold—he, I say, your lover of beautiful
sights, who cannot bear to be told that the beautiful is one, and the just
is one, or that anything is one—to him I would appeal, saying, Will
you be so very kind, sir, as to tell us whether, of all these beautiful
things, there is one which will not be found ugly; or of the just, which
will not be found unjust; or of the holy, which will not also be unholy?
B
No, he replied; the beautiful will in some point of view be found ugly;
and the same is true of the rest.
And may not the many which are doubles be also halves?—doubles, that
is, of one thing, and halves of another?
Quite true.
And things great and small, heavy and light, as they are termed, will not
be denoted by these any more than by the opposite names?
True; both these and the opposite names will always attach to all of them.
And can any one of those many things which are called by particular names
be said to be this rather than not to be this?
He replied: They are like the punning riddles which are Casked at feasts or
the children’s puzzle about the eunuch aiming at the bat, with what he hit
him, as they say in the puzzle, and upon what the bat was sitting. The
individual objects of which I am speaking are also a riddle, and have a
double sense: nor can you fix them in your mind, either as being or
not-being, or both, or neither.
Then what will you do with them? I said. Can they have a better place than
between being and not-being? For they are clearly not in greater darkness
or negation than not-being, Dor more full of light and existence than
being.
That is quite true, he said.
Thus then we seem to have discovered that the many ideas which the
multitude entertain about the beautiful and about all other things are
tossing about in some region which is half-way between pure being and pure
not-being?
We have.
Yes; and we had before agreed that anything of this kind which we might
find was to be described as matter of opinion, and not as matter of
knowledge; being the intermediate flux which is caught and detained by the
intermediate faculty.
Quite true.
E Opinion is the knowledge, not of the absolute, but of the many.
Then those who see the many beautiful, and who yet neither see absolute
beauty, nor can follow any guide who points the way thither; who see the
many just, and not absolute justice, and the like,—such persons may
be said to have opinion but not knowledge?
That is certain.
But those who see the absolute and eternal and immutable may be said to
know, and not to have opinion only?
Neither can that be denied.
The one love and embrace the subjects of knowledge, the other those of
opinion? The latter are the same, as I dare say 480you will remember, who
listened to sweet sounds and gazed upon fair colours, but would not
tolerate the existence of absolute beauty.
Yes, I remember.
Shall we then be guilty of any impropriety in calling them lovers of
opinion rather than lovers of wisdom, and will they be very angry with us
for thus describing them?
I shall tell them not to be angry; no man should be angry at what is true.
But those who love the truth in each thing are to be called lovers of
wisdom and not lovers of opinion.
Assuredly.
Steph.
484 Republic VI.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
AND thus, Glaucon, after the argument has gone a weary way, the true and
the false philosophers have at length appeared in view.
I do not think, he said, that the way could have been shortened.
If we had time, we might have a nearer view of the true and false philosopher.
I suppose not, I said; and yet I believe that we might have had a better
view of both of them if the discussion could have been confined to this
one subject and if there were not many other questions awaiting us, which
he who desires to see in what respect the life of the just differs Bfrom
that of the unjust must consider.
And what is the next question? he asked.
Surely, I said, the one which follows next in order. Inasmuch as
philosophers only are able to grasp the eternal and unchangeable, and
those who wander in the region of the many and variable are not
philosophers, I must ask you which of the two classes should be the rulers
of our State?
And how can we rightly answer that question?
Which of them shall be our guardians?
Whichever of the two are best able to guard the laws and Cinstitutions of
our State—let them be our guardians.
Very good.
A question hardly to be asked.
Neither, I said, can there be any question that the guardian who is to
keep anything should have eyes rather than no eyes?
There can be no question of that.
And are not those who are verily and indeed wanting in the knowledge of
the true being of each thing, and who have in their souls no clear
pattern, and are unable as with a painter’s eye to look at the absolute
truth and to that original Dto repair, and having perfect vision of the
other world to order the laws about beauty, goodness, justice in this, if
not already ordered, and to guard and preserve the order of them—are
not such persons, I ask, simply blind?
Truly, he replied, they are much in that condition.
And shall they be our guardians when there are others who, besides being
their equals in experience and falling short of them in no particular of
virtue, also know the very truth of each thing?
There can be no reason, he said, for rejecting those who have this
greatest of all great qualities; they must always have the first place
unless they fail in some other respect.
485
Suppose then, I said, that we determine how far they can unite this and
the other excellences.
By all means.
The philosopher is a lover of truth and of all true being.
In the first place, as we began by observing, the nature of the
philosopher has to be ascertained. We must come to an understanding about
him, and, when we have done so, then, if I am not mistaken, we shall also
acknowledge that such an union of qualities is possible, and that those in
whom they are united, and those only, should be rulers in the State.
What do you mean?
Let us suppose that philosophical minds always love knowledge Bof a sort
which shows them the eternal nature not varying from generation and
corruption.
Agreed.
And further, I said, let us agree that they are lovers of all true being;
there is no part whether greater or less, or more or less honourable,
which they are willing to renounce; as we said before of the lover and the
man of ambition.
True.
And if they are to be what we were describing, is there Cnot another
quality which they should also possess?
What quality?
Truthfulness: they will never intentionally receive into their mind
falsehood, which is their detestation, and they will love the truth.
Yes, that may be safely affirmed of them.
‘May be,’ my friend, I replied, is not the word; say rather ‘must be
affirmed:’ for he whose nature is amorous of anything cannot help loving
all that belongs or is akin to the object of his affections.
Right, he said.
And is there anything more akin to wisdom than truth?
How can there be?
Can the same nature be a lover of wisdom and a lover of Dfalsehood?
Never.
The true lover of learning then must from his earliest youth, as far as in
him lies, desire all truth?
Assuredly.
But then again, as we know by experience, he whose desires are strong in
one direction will have them weaker in others; they will be like a stream
which has been drawn off into another channel.
True.
He will be absorbed in the pleasures of the soul, and therefore temperate and the reverse of covetous or mean.
He whose desires are drawn towards knowledge in every form will be
absorbed in the pleasures of the soul, and will hardly feel bodily
pleasure—I mean, if he be a true philosopher and not a sham one.
E
That is most certain.
Such an one is sure to be temperate and the reverse of covetous; for the
motives which make another man desirous of having and spending, have no
place in his character.
Very true.
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Another criterion of the philosophical nature has also to be considered.
What is that?
There should be no secret corner of illiberality; nothing can be more
antagonistic than meanness to a soul which is ever longing after the whole
of things both divine and human.
Most true, he replied.
In the magnificence of his contemplations he will not think much of human life.
Then how can he who has magnificence of mind and is the spectator of all
time and all existence, think much of human life?
He cannot.
B
Or can such an one account death fearful?
No indeed.
Then the cowardly and mean nature has no part in true philosophy?
Certainly not.
Or again: can he who is harmoniously constituted, who is not covetous or
mean, or a boaster, or a coward—can he, I say, ever be unjust or
hard in his dealings?
Impossible.
He will be of a gentle, sociable, harmonious nature; a lover of learning, having a good
memory and moving spontaneously in the world of being.
Then you will soon observe whether a man is just and gentle, or rude and
unsociable; these are the signs which distinguish even in youth the
philosophical nature from the unphilosophical.
True.
C
There is another point which should be remarked.
What point?
Whether he has or has not a pleasure in learning; for no one will love
that which gives him pain, and in which after much toil he makes little
progress.
Certainly not.
And again, if he is forgetful and retains nothing of what he learns, will
he not be an empty vessel?
That is certain.
Labouring in vain, he must end in hating himself and his fruitless
occupation? Yes.
D
Then a soul which forgets cannot be ranked among genuine philosophic
natures; we must insist that the philosopher should have a good memory?
Certainly.
And once more, the inharmonious and unseemly nature can only tend to
disproportion?
Undoubtedly.
And do you consider truth to be akin to proportion or to disproportion?
To proportion.
Then, besides other qualities, we must try to find a naturally
well-proportioned and gracious mind, which will move spontaneously towards
the true being of everything.
Certainly.
E
Well, and do not all these qualities, which we have been enumerating, go
together, and are they not, in a manner, necessary to a soul, which is to
have a full and perfect participation of being?
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They are absolutely necessary, he replied.
Conclusion: What a blameless study then is philosophy!
And must not that be a blameless study which he only can pursue who has
the gift of a good memory, and is quick to learn,—noble, gracious,
the friend of truth, justice, courage, temperance, who are his kindred?
The god of jealousy himself, he said, could find no fault with such a
study.
And to men like him, I said, when perfected by years and education, and to
these only you will entrust the State.
B SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS. Nay, says Adeimantus, you can prove anything, but your hearers are unconvinced all the same.
Here Adeimantus interposed and said: To these statements, Socrates, no one
can offer a reply; but when you talk in this way, a strange feeling passes
over the minds of your hearers: They fancy that they are led astray a
little at each step in the argument, owing to their own want of skill in
asking and answering questions; these littles accumulate, and at the end
of the discussion they are found to have sustained a mighty overthrow and
all their former notions appear to be turned upside down. And as unskilful
players of draughts are at last shut up by their more skilful adversaries
and Chave no piece to move, so they too find themselves shut up at last;
for they have nothing to say in this new game of which words are the
counters; and yet all the time they are in the right. The observation is
suggested to me by what is now occurring. For any one of us might say,
that although in words he is not able to meet you at each step of the
argument, he sees as a fact that the votaries of philosophy, Common opinion declares philosophers to be either rogues or useless.when they
carry on the study, not only in youth as a part of Deducation, but as the
pursuit of their maturer years, most of them become strange monsters, not
to say utter rogues, and that those who may be considered the best of them
are made useless to the world by the very study which you extol.
Well, and do you think that those who say so are wrong?
I cannot tell, he replied; but I should like to know what is your opinion.
Socrates, instead of denying this statement, admits the truth of it.
Hear my answer; I am of opinion that they are quite right.
E
Then how can you be justified in saying that cities will not cease from
evil until philosophers rule in them, when philosophers are acknowledged
by us to be of no use to them?
You ask a question, I said, to which a reply can only be given in a
parable.
Yes, Socrates; and that is a way of speaking to which you are not at all
accustomed, I suppose.
A parable.
I perceive, I said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged me into
such a hopeless discussion; but now hear 488the parable, and then you will be
still more amused at the meagreness of my imagination: for the manner in
which the best men are treated in their own States is so grievous that no
single thing on earth is comparable to it; and therefore, if I am to plead
their cause, I must have recourse to fiction, and put together a figure
made up of many things, like the fabulous unions of goats and stags which
are found in pictures. The noble captain
whose senses are rather dull (the people in their better mind); the
mutinous crew (the mob of politicians); and the pilot (the true
philosopher).Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is Ba
captain who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a
little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of
navigation is not much better. The sailors are quarrelling with one
another about the steering—every one is of opinion that he has a
right to steer, though he has never learned the art of navigation and
cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert
that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any Cone who
says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him
to commit the helm to them; and if at any time they do not prevail, but
others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them
overboard, and having first chained up the noble captain’s senses with
drink or some narcotic drug, they mutiny and take possession of the ship
and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on
their voyage in such manner as Dmight be expected of them. Him who is their
partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of
the captain’s hands into their own whether by force or persuasion, they
compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the
other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true
pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and
winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really
qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and Ewill be the
steerer, whether other people like or not—the possibility of this
union of authority with the steerer’s art has never seriously entered into
their thoughts or been made 489part of their calling1. Now in vessels which
are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the
true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a
star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?
Of course, said Adeimantus.
The interpretation.
Then you will hardly need, I said, to hear the interpretation of the
figure, which describes the true philosopher in his relation to the State;
for you understand already.
Certainly.
Then suppose you now take this parable to the gentleman who is surprised
at finding that philosophers have no honour in their cities; explain it to
him and try to convince him that Btheir having honour would be far more
extraordinary.
I will.
The uselessness of philosophers arises out of the unwillingness of mankind to make use of them.
Say to him, that, in deeming the best votaries of philosophy to be useless
to the rest of the world, he is right; but also tell him to attribute
their uselessness to the fault of those who will not use them, and not to
themselves. The pilot should not humbly beg the sailors to be commanded by
him—that is not the order of nature; neither are ‘the wise to go to
the doors of the rich’—the ingenious author of this saying told a
lie—but the truth is, that, when a man is ill, Cwhether he be rich or
poor, to the physician he must go, and he who wants to be governed, to him
who is able to govern. The ruler who is good for anything ought not to beg
his subjects to be ruled by him; although the present governors of mankind
are of a different stamp; they may be justly compared to the mutinous
sailors, and the true helmsmen to those who are called by them
good-for-nothings and star-gazers.
Precisely so, he said.
The real enemies of philosophy her professing followers.
For these reasons, and among men like these, philosophy, the noblest
pursuit of all, is not likely to be much esteemed Dby those of the opposite
faction; not that the greatest and most lasting injury is done to her by
her opponents, but by her own professing followers, the same of whom you
suppose the accuser to say, that the greater number of them are arrant
rogues, and the best are useless; in which opinion I agreed.
Yes.
And the reason why the good are useless has now been explained?
True.
The corruption of philosophy due to many causes.
Then shall we proceed to show that the corruption of the majority is also
unavoidable, and that this is not to be laid to Ethe charge of philosophy
any more than the other?
By all means.
And let us ask and answer in turn, first going back to the 490description of
the gentle and noble nature. Truth, as you will remember, was his leader,
whom he followed always and in all things; failing in this, he was an
impostor, and had no part or lot in true philosophy.
Yes, that was said.
Well, and is not this one quality, to mention no others, greatly at
variance with present notions of him?
Certainly, he said.
But before considering this, let us re-enumerate the qualities of the philosopher:
And have we not a right to say in his defence, that the true lover of
knowledge is always striving after being—that is his nature; he will
not rest in the multiplicity of individuals B which is an appearance only,
but will go on—the keen edge will not be blunted, nor the force of
his desire abate until he have attained the knowledge of the true nature
of every essence by a sympathetic and kindred power in the soul, and by
that power drawing near and mingling and becoming incorporate with very
being, having begotten mind and truth, he will have knowledge and will
live and grow truly, and then, and not till then, will he cease from his
travail.
Nothing, he said, can be more just than such a description of him.
his love of essence, of truth, of justice, besides his other virtues and natural gifts.
And will the love of a lie be any part of a philosopher’s nature? Will he
not utterly hate a lie?
C
He will.
And when truth is the captain, we cannot suspect any evil of the band
which he leads?
Impossible.
Justice and health of mind will be of the company, and temperance will
follow after?
True, he replied.
Neither is there any reason why I should again set in array the
philosopher’s virtues, as you will doubtless remember that courage,
magnificence, apprehension, memory, were his natural gifts. And you
objected that, although no one could Ddeny what I then said, still, if you
leave words and look at facts, the persons who are thus described are some
of them manifestly useless, and the greater number utterly depraved; we
were then led to enquire into the grounds of these accusations, and have
now arrived at the point of asking why are the majority bad, which
question of necessity brought us back to the examination and definition of
the true philosopher.
E
Exactly.
The reasons why philosophical natures so easily deteriorate.
And we have next to consider the corruptions of the philosophic nature,
why so many are spoiled and so few escape spoiling—I am speaking of
those who were said to be 491useless but not wicked—and, when we have
done with them, we will speak of the imitators of philosophy, what manner
of men are they who aspire after a profession which is above them and of
which they are unworthy, and then, by their manifold inconsistencies,
bring upon philosophy, and upon all philosophers, that universal
reprobation of which we speak.
What are these corruptions? he said.
(1) There are but a few of them;
I will see if I can explain them to you. Every one will admit that a
nature having in perfection all the qualities Bwhich we required in a
philosopher, is a rare plant which is seldom seen among men.
Rare indeed.
And what numberless and powerful causes tend to destroy these rare
natures!
What causes?
(2) and they may be distracted from philosophy by their own virtues;
In the first place there are their own virtues, their courage, temperance,
and the rest of them, every one of which praiseworthy qualities (and this
is a most singular circumstance) destroys and distracts from philosophy
the soul which is the possessor of them.
That is very singular, he replied.
C
Then there are all the ordinary goods of life—beauty, wealth,
strength, rank, and great connections in the State—you understand
and also, (3), by the ordinary goods of life.the sort of things—these also have a corrupting and distracting
effect.
I understand; but I should like to know more precisely what you mean about
them.
Grasp the truth as a whole, I said, and in the right way; you will then
have no difficulty in apprehending the preceding remarks, and they will no
longer appear strange to you.
And how am I to do so? he asked.
D
Why, I said, we know that all germs or seeds, whether vegetable or animal,
when they fail to meet with proper nutriment or climate or soil, in
proportion to their vigour, are all the more sensitive to the want of a
suitable environment, for evil is a greater enemy to what is good than to
what is not.
Very true.
(4) The finer natures more liable to injury than the inferior.
There is reason in supposing that the finest natures, when under alien
conditions, receive more injury than the inferior, because the contrast is
greater.
Certainly.
E
And may we not say, Adeimantus, that the most gifted minds, when they are
ill-educated, become pre-eminently bad? Do not great crimes and the spirit
of pure evil spring out of a fulness of nature ruined by education rather
than from any inferiority, whereas weak natures are scarcely capable of
any very great good or very great evil?
There I think that you are right.
492 (5) They are not
corrupted by private sophists, but compelled by the opinion of the world
meeting in the assembly or in some other place of resort.
And our philosopher follows the same analogy—he is like a plant
which, having proper nurture, must necessarily grow and mature into all
virtue, but, if sown and planted in an alien soil, becomes the most
noxious of all weeds, unless he be preserved by some divine power. Do you
really think, as people so often say, that our youth are corrupted by
Sophists, or that private teachers of the art corrupt them in any degree
worth speaking of? Are not the public who say these things Bthe greatest of
all Sophists? And do they not educate to perfection young and old, men and
women alike, and fashion them after their own hearts?
When is this accomplished? he said.
When they meet together, and the world sits down at an assembly, or in a
court of law, or a theatre, or a camp, or in any other popular resort, and
there is a great uproar, and they praise some things which are being said
or done, and blame other things, equally exaggerating both, shouting and
Cclapping their hands, and the echo of the rocks and the place in which
they are assembled redoubles the sound of the praise or blame—at
such a time will not a young man’s heart, as they say, leap within him?
Will any private training enable him to stand firm against the
overwhelming flood of popular opinion? or will he be carried away by the
stream? Will he not have the notions of good and evil which the public in
general have—he will do as they do, and as they are, such will he
be?
D
Yes, Socrates; necessity will compel him.
(6) The other compulsion of violence and death.
And yet, I said, there is a still greater necessity, which has not been
mentioned.
What is that?
The gentle force of attainder or confiscation or death, which, as you are
aware, these new Sophists and educators, who are the public, apply when
their words are powerless.
Indeed they do; and in right good earnest.
Now what opinion of any other Sophist, or of any private person, can be
expected to overcome in such an unequal contest?
E
None, he replied.
They must be saved, if at all, by the power of God.
No, indeed, I said, even to make the attempt is a great piece of folly;
there neither is, nor has been, nor is ever likely to be, any different
type of character which has had no other training in virtue but that which
is supplied by public opinion2—I speak, my friend, of human virtue
only; what is more than human, as the proverb says, is not included: for I
would not have you ignorant that, in the present evil state of
governments, whatever is saved and comes to good is 493saved by the power of
God, as we may truly say.
I quite assent, he replied.
Then let me crave your assent also to a further observation.
What are you going to say?
Why, that all those mercenary individuals, whom the many call Sophists and
whom they deem to be their adversaries, do, in fact, teach nothing but the
opinion of the many, that is to say, the opinions of their assemblies; and
this is their wisdom. The great brute; his behaviour and temper (the people looked at from their worse side).I might compare them to a man who should study the
tempers and desires of a mighty strong beast who is fed Bby him—he
would learn how to approach and handle him, also at what times and from
what causes he is dangerous or the reverse, and what is the meaning of his
several cries, and by what sounds, when another utters them, he is soothed
or infuriated; and you may suppose further, that when, by continually
attending upon him, he has become perfect in all this, he calls his
knowledge wisdom, and makes of it a system or art, which he proceeds to
teach, although he has no real notion of what he means by the principles
or passions of which he is speaking, but calls this honourable and that
dishonourable, or good or evil, or just or unjust, all in accordance Cwith
the tastes and tempers of the great brute. Good he pronounces to be that
in which the beast delights and evil to be that which he dislikes; and he
can give no other account of them except that the just and noble are the
necessary, having never himself seen, and having no power of explaining to
others the nature of either, or the difference between them, which is
immense. By heaven, would not such an one be a rare educator?
Indeed he would.
And in what way does he who thinks that wisdom is Dthe discernment of the
tempers and tastes of the motley multitude, whether in painting or music,
or, finally, in politics, differ from him whom I have been describing? He who associates with the people will conform to their tastes and will produce only what pleases them.For
when a man consorts with the many, and exhibits to them his poem or other
work of art or the service which he has done the State, making them his
judges3 when he is not obliged, the so-called necessity of Diomede will
oblige him to produce whatever they praise. And yet the reasons are
utterly ludicrous which they give in confirmation of their own notions
about the honourable and good. Did you ever hear any of them which were
not?
E
No, nor am I likely to hear.
You recognise the truth of what I have been saying? Then let me ask you to
consider further whether the world will ever be induced to believe in the
existence of absolute 494beauty rather than of the many beautiful, or of the
absolute in each kind rather than of the many in each kind?
Certainly not.
Then the world cannot possibly be a philosopher?
Impossible.
And therefore philosophers must inevitably fall under the censure of the
world?
They must.
And of individuals who consort with the mob and seek to please them?
That is evident.
Then, do you see any way in which the philosopher can Bbe preserved in his
calling to the end? and remember what we were saying of him, that he was
to have quickness and memory and courage and magnificence—these were
admitted by us to be the true philosopher’s gifts.
Yes.
The youth who has great bodily and mental gifts will be flattered from his childhood,
Will not such an one from his early childhood be in all things first among
all, especially if his bodily endowments are like his mental ones?
Certainly, he said.
And his friends and fellow-citizens will want to use him as he gets older
for their own purposes?
No question.
C
Falling at his feet, they will make requests to him and do him honour and
flatter him, because they want to get into their hands now, the power
which he will one day possess.
That often happens, he said.
And what will a man such as he is be likely to do under such
circumstances, especially if he be a citizen of a great city, rich and
noble, and a tall proper youth? Will he not be full of boundless
aspirations, and fancy himself able to manage the affairs of Hellenes and
of barbarians, and having got such Dnotions into his head will he not
dilate and elevate himself in the fulness of vain pomp and senseless
pride?
To be sure he will.
and being incapable of having reason, will be easily drawn away from philosophy.
Now, when he is in this state of mind, if some one gently comes to him and
tells him that he is a fool and must get understanding, which can only be
got by slaving for it, do you think that, under such adverse
circumstances, he will be easily induced to listen?
Far otherwise.
And even if there be some one who through inherent Egoodness or natural
reasonableness has had his eyes opened a little and is humbled and taken
captive by philosophy, how will his friends behave when they think that
they are likely to lose the advantage which they were hoping to reap from
his companionship? Will they not do and say anything to prevent him from
yielding to his better nature and to render his teacher powerless, using
to this end private intrigues as well as public prosecutions?
495
There can be no doubt of it.
And how can one who is thus circumstanced ever become a philosopher?
Impossible.
The very qualities which make a man a philosopher may also divert him from philosophy.
Then were we not right in saying that even the very qualities which make a
man a philosopher may, if he be ill-educated, divert him from philosophy,
no less than riches and their accompaniments and the other so-called goods
of life?
We were quite right.
Thus, my excellent friend, is brought about all that ruin and Bfailure
which I have been describing of the natures best adapted to the best of
all pursuits; they are natures which we maintain to be rare at any time;
this being the class out of which come the men who are the authors of the
greatest evil to States and individuals; Great natures alone are capable, either of great good, or great evil.and also of the greatest good
when the tide carries them in that direction; but a small man never was
the doer of any great thing either to individuals or to States.
That is most true, he said.
And so philosophy is left desolate, with her marriage rite Cincomplete: for
her own have fallen away and forsaken her, and while they are leading a
false and unbecoming life, other unworthy persons, seeing that she has no
kinsmen to be her protectors, enter in and dishonour her; and fasten upon
her the reproaches which, as you say, her reprovers utter, who affirm of
her votaries that some are good for nothing, and that the greater number
deserve the severest punishment.
That is certainly what people say.
The attractiveness of philosophy to the vulgar.
Yes; and what else would you expect, I said, when you think of the puny
creatures who, seeing this land open to Dthem—a land well stocked
with fair names and showy titles—like prisoners running out of
prison into a sanctuary, take a leap out of their trades into philosophy;
those who do so being probably the cleverest hands at their own miserable
crafts? For, although philosophy be in this evil case, still there remains
a dignity about her which is not to be found in the arts. And many are
thus attracted by her whose Enatures are imperfect and whose souls are
maimed and disfigured by their meannesses, as their bodies are by their
trades and crafts. Is not this unavoidable?
Yes.
Are they not exactly like a bald little tinker who has just got out of
durance and come into a fortune; he takes a bath and puts on a new coat,
and is decked out as a bridegroom going to marry his master’s daughter,
who is left poor and desolate?
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A most exact parallel.
What will be the issue of such marriages? Will they not be vile and
bastard?
There can be no question of it.
The mésalliance of philosophy.
And when persons who are unworthy of education approach philosophy and
make an alliance with her who is in a rank above them what sort of ideas
and opinions are likely to be generated? 4Will they not be sophisms
captivating to the ear, having nothing in them genuine, or worthy of or
akin to true wisdom?
No doubt, he said.
Few are the worthy disciples:
Then, Adeimantus, I said, the worthy disciples of philosophy Bwill be but a
small remnant: perchance some noble and well-educated person, detained by
exile in her service, who in the absence of corrupting influences remains
devoted to her; or some lofty soul born in a mean city, the politics of
which he contemns and neglects; and there may be a gifted few who leave
the arts, which they justly despise, and come to her;—or
peradventure there are some who are restrained Cby our friend Theages’
bridle; for everything in the life of Theages conspired to divert him from
philosophy; but ill-health kept him away from politics. My own case of the
internal sign is hardly worth mentioning, for rarely, if ever, has such a
monitor been given to any other man. Those who belong to this small class
have tasted how sweet and blessed a possession philosophy is, and these are unable to resist the madness of the world;and have
also seen enough of the madness of the multitude; and they know Dthat no
politician is honest, nor is there any champion of justice at whose side
they may fight and be saved.Such an one may be compared to a man who has
fallen among wild beasts—he will not join in the wickedness of his
fellows, but neither is he able singly to resist all their fierce natures,
and therefore seeing that he would be of no use to the State or to his
friends, and reflecting that he would have to throw away his life without
doing any good either to himself or others, he holds his peace, and goes
his own way. they therefore in order to escape the storm take shelter behind a wall and live their own life.He is like one who, in the storm of dust and sleet which the
driving wind hurries along, retires under the shelter of a wall; and
seeing the rest of mankind full of wickedness, he is content, Eif only he
can live his own life and be pure from evil or unrighteousness, and depart
in peace and good-will, with bright hopes.
Yes, he said, and he will have done a great work before he departs.
A great work—yes; but not the greatest, unless he find 497a State
suitable to him; for in a State which is suitable to him, he will have a
larger growth and be the saviour of his country, as well as of himself.
The causes why philosophy is in such an evil name have now been
sufficiently explained: the injustice of the charges against her has been
shown—is there anything more which you wish to say?
Nothing more on that subject, he replied; but I should like to know which
of the governments now existing is in your opinion the one adapted to her.
B No existing State suited to philosophy.
Not any of them, I said; and that is precisely the accusation which I
bring against them—not one of them is worthy of the philosophic
nature, and hence that nature is warped and estranged;—as the exotic
seed which is sown in a foreign land becomes denaturalized, and is wont to
be overpowered and to lose itself in the new soil, even so this growth of
philosophy, instead of persisting, degenerates and receives another
character. But if philosophy ever finds in the State Cthat perfection which
she herself is, then will be seen that she is in truth divine, and that
all other things, whether natures of men or institutions, are but human;—and
now, I know, that you are going to ask, What that State is:
No, he said; there you are wrong, for I was going to ask another question—whether
it is the State of which we are the founders and inventors, or some other?
Even our own State requires the addition of the living authority.
Yes, I replied, ours in most respects; but you may remember my saying
before, that some living authority would always be required in the State
having the same idea of Dthe constitution which guided you when as
legislator you were laying down the laws.
That was said, he replied.
Yes, but not in a satisfactory manner; you frightened us by interposing
objections, which certainly showed that the discussion would be long and
difficult; and what still remains is the reverse of easy.
What is there remaining?
The question how the study of philosophy may be so ordered as not to be
the ruin of the State: All great attempts are attended with risk; ‘hard is
the good,’ as men say.
E
Still, he said, let the point be cleared up, and the enquiry will then be
complete.
I shall not be hindered, I said, by any want of will, but, if at all, by a
want of power: my zeal you may see for yourselves; and please to remark in
what I am about to say how boldly and unhesitatingly I declare that States
should pursue philosophy, not as they do now, but in a different spirit.
In what manner?
498 The superficial study of philosophy which exists in the present day.
At present, I said, the students of philosophy are quite young; beginning
when they are hardly past childhood, they devote only the time saved from
moneymaking and housekeeping to such pursuits; and even those of them who
are reputed to have most of the philosophic spirit, when they come within
sight of the great difficulty of the subject, I mean dialectic, take
themselves off. In after life when invited by some one else, they may,
perhaps, go and hear a lecture, and about this they make much ado, for
philosophy is not considered by them to be their proper business: at last,
when they grow old, in most cases they are extinguished more Btruly than
Heracleitus’ sun, inasmuch as they never light up again5.
But what ought to be their course?
Just the opposite. In childhood and youth their study, and what philosophy
they learn, should be suited to their tender years: during this period
while they are growing up towards manhood, the chief and special care
should be given to their bodies that they may have them to use in the
service of philosophy; as life advances and the intellect begins to
mature, let them increase the gymnastics of the soul; but when the
strength of our citizens fails and is past civil and Cmilitary duties, then
let them range at will and engage in no serious labour, as we intend them
to live happily here, and to crown this life with a similar happiness in
another.
How truly in earnest you are, Socrates! he said; I am sure of that; and
yet most of your hearers, if I am not mistaken, are likely to be still
more earnest in their opposition to you, and will never be convinced;
Thrasymachus once more.Thrasymachus least of all.
Do not make a quarrel, I said, between Thrasymachus and Dme, who have
recently become friends, although, indeed, we were never enemies; for I
shall go on striving to the utmost until I either convert him and other
men, or do something which may profit them against the day when they live
again, and hold the like discourse in another state of existence.
You are speaking of a time which is not very near.
The people hate philosophy because they have only known bad and conventional imitations of it.
Rather, I replied, of a time which is as nothing in comparison with
eternity. Nevertheless, I do not wonder that the many refuse to believe;
for they have never seen that of which we are now speaking realized; they
have seen only Ea conventional imitation of philosophy, consisting of words
artificially brought together, not like these of ours having a natural
unity. But a human being who in word and work is perfectly moulded, as far
as he can be, into the proportion and likeness of virtue—such a man
ruling in a city which 499bears the same image, they have never yet seen,
neither one nor many of them—do you think that they ever did?
No indeed.
No, my friend, and they have seldom, if ever, heard free and noble
sentiments; such as men utter when they are earnestly and by every means
in their power seeking after truth for the sake of knowledge, while they
look coldly on the subtleties of controversy, of which the end is opinion
and strife, whether they meet with them in the courts of law or in
society.
They are strangers, he said, to the words of which you speak.
And this was what we foresaw, and this was the reason Bwhy truth forced us
to admit, not without fear and hesitation, that neither cities nor States
nor individuals will ever attain perfection until the small class of
philosophers whom we termed useless but not corrupt are providentially
compelled, whether they will or not, to take care of the State, and until
a like necessity be laid on the State to obey them6; or until kings, or if
not kings, the sons of kings or princes, are divinely Cinspired with a true
love of true philosophy. That either or both of these alternatives are
impossible, I see no reason to affirm: if they were so, we might indeed be
justly ridiculed as dreamers and visionaries. Am I not right?
Quite right.
Somewhere, at some time, there may have been or may be a philosopher who is also the ruler of a State.
If then, in the countless ages of the past, or at the present hour in some
foreign clime which is far away and beyond Dour ken, the perfected
philosopher is or has been or hereafter shall be compelled by a superior
power to have the charge of the State, we are ready to assert to the
death, that this our constitution has been, and is—yea, and will be
whenever the Muse of Philosophy is queen. There is no impossibility in all
this; that there is a difficulty, we acknowledge ourselves.
My opinion agrees with yours, he said.
But do you mean to say that this is not the opinion of the multitude?
I should imagine not, he replied.
O my friend, I said, do not attack the multitude: they will Echange their
minds, if, not in an aggressive spirit, but gently and with the view of
soothing them and removing their dislike of over-education, you show them
your philosophers as they really are and describe as you were just now
doing 500their character and profession, and then mankind will see that he of
whom you are speaking is not such as they supposed—if they view him
in this new light, they will surely change their notion of him, and answer
in another strain7. Who can be at enmity with one who loves them, who that
is himself gentle and free from envy will be jealous of one in whom there
is no jealousy? Nay, let me answer for you, that in a few this harsh
temper may be found but not in the majority of mankind.
I quite agree with you, he said.
B The feeling against philosophy is really a feeling against pretended philosophers who are always talking about persons.
And do you not also think, as I do, that the harsh feeling which the many
entertain towards philosophy originates in the pretenders, who rush in
uninvited, and are always abusing them, and finding fault with them, who
make persons instead of things the theme of their conversation? and
nothing can be more unbecoming in philosophers than this.
It is most unbecoming.
For he, Adeimantus, whose mind is fixed upon true being, has surely no
time to look down upon the affairs of earth, or Cto be filled with malice
and envy, contending against men; his eye is ever directed towards things
fixed and immutable, which he sees neither injuring nor injured by one
another, but all in order moving according to reason; these he imitates,
and to these he will, as far as he can, conform himself. The true philosopher, who has his eye fixed upon immutable principles, will fashion States after the heavenly image.Can a man help
imitating that with which he holds reverential converse?
Impossible.
And the philosopher holding converse with the divine order, becomes
orderly and divine, as far as the nature of Dman allows; but like every one
else, he will suffer from detraction.
Of course.
And if a necessity be laid upon him of fashioning, not only himself, but
human nature generally, whether in States or individuals, into that which
he beholds elsewhere, will he, think you, be an unskilful artificer of
justice, temperance, and every civil virtue?
Anything but unskilful.
And if the world perceives that what we are saying about Ehim is the truth,
will they be angry with philosophy? Will they disbelieve us, when we tell
them that no State can be happy which is not designed by artists who
imitate the heavenly pattern?
They will not be angry if they understand, he said. But 501how will they draw
out the plan of which you are speaking?
He will begin with a ‘tabula rasa’ and there inscribe his laws.
They will begin by taking the State and the manners of men, from which, as
from a tablet, they will rub out the picture, and leave a clean surface.
This is no easy task. But whether easy or not, herein will lie the
difference between them and every other legislator,—they will have
nothing to do either with individual or State, and will inscribe no laws,
until they have either found, or themselves made, a clean surface.
They will be very right, he said.
Having effected this, they will proceed to trace an outline of the
constitution?
No doubt.
B
And when they are filling in the work, as I conceive, they will often turn
their eyes upwards and downwards: I mean that they will first look at
absolute justice and beauty and temperance, and again at the human copy;
and will mingle and temper the various elements of life into the image of
a man; and this they will conceive according to that other image, which,
when existing among men, Homer calls the form and likeness of God.
Very true, he said.
And one feature they will erase, and another they will put Cin, until they
have made the ways of men, as far as possible, agreeable to the ways of
God?
Indeed, he said, in no way could they make a fairer picture.
The enemies of philosophy, when they hear the truth, are gradually propitiated,
And now, I said, are we beginning to persuade those whom you described as
rushing at us with might and main, that the painter of constitutions is
such an one as we are praising; at whom they were so very indignant
because to his hands we committed the State; and are they growing a little
calmer at what they have just heard?
Much calmer, if there is any sense in them.
D
Why, where can they still find any ground for objection? Will they doubt
that the philosopher is a lover of truth and being?
They would not be so unreasonable.
Or that his nature, being such as we have delineated, is akin to the
highest good?
Neither can they doubt this.
But again, will they tell us that such a nature, placed under favourable
circumstances, will not be perfectly good and wise if any ever was? Or
will they prefer those whom we have rejected?
E
Surely not.
Then will they still be angry at our saying, that, until philosophers bear
rule, States and individuals will have no rest from evil, nor will this
our imaginary State ever be realized?
I think that they will be less angry.
and at length become quite gentle.
Shall we assume that they are not only less angry but 502quite gentle, and
that they have been converted and for very shame, if for no other reason,
cannot refuse to come to terms?
By all means, he said.
There may have been one son of a king a philosopher who has remained uncorrupted and has a State obedient to his will.
Then let us suppose that the reconciliation has been effected. Will any
one deny the other point, that there may be sons of kings or princes who
are by nature philosophers?
Surely no man, he said.
And when they have come into being will any one say that they must of
necessity be destroyed; that they can hardly Bbe saved is not denied even
by us; but that in the whole course of ages no single one of them can
escape—who will venture to affirm this?
Who indeed!
But, said I, one is enough; let there be one man who has a city obedient
to his will, and he might bring into existence the ideal polity about
which the world is so incredulous.
Yes, one is enough.
The ruler may impose the laws and institutions which we have been
describing, and the citizens may possibly be willing to obey them?
Certainly.
And that others should approve, of what we approve, is no miracle or
impossibility?
C
I think not.
But we have sufficiently shown, in what has preceded, that all this, if
only possible, is assuredly for the best.
We have.
Our constitution then is not unattainable.
And now we say not only that our laws, if they could be enacted, would be
for the best, but also that the enactment of them, though difficult, is
not impossible.
Very good.
And so with pain and toil we have reached the end of one subject, but more
remains to be discussed;—how and by Dwhat studies and pursuits will
the saviours of the constitution be created, and at what ages are they to
apply themselves to their several studies?
Certainly.
Recapitulation.
I omitted the troublesome business of the possession of women, and the
procreation of children, and the appointment of the rulers, because I knew
that the perfect State would be eyed with jealousy and was difficult of
attainment; but that piece of cleverness was not of much service to me,
Efor I had to discuss them all the same. The women and children are now
disposed of, but the other question of the rulers must be investigated
from the very beginning. We were saying, as you will remember, that they
were to be lovers 503of their country, tried by the test of pleasures and
pains, and neither in hardships, nor in dangers, nor at any other critical
moment were to lose their patriotism—he was to be rejected who
failed, but he who always came forth pure, like gold tried in the
refiner’s fire, was to be made a ruler, and to receive honours and rewards
in life and after death. This was the sort of thing which was being said,
and then the argument turned aside and veiled her face; not liking to Bstir
the question which has now arisen.
I perfectly remember, he said.
Yes, my friend, I said, and I then shrank from hazarding the bold word;
but now let me dare to say— The guardian must be a philosopher, and a philosopher must be a person of rare giftsthat the perfect guardian must be a
philosopher.
Yes, he said, let that be affirmed.
And do not suppose that there will be many of them; for the gifts which
were deemed by us to be essential rarely grow together; they are mostly
found in shreds and patches.
C
What do you mean? he said.
The contrast of the quick and solid temperaments.
You are aware, I replied, that quick intelligence, memory, sagacity,
cleverness, and similar qualities, do not often grow together, and that
persons who possess them and are at the same time high-spirited and
magnanimous are not so constituted by nature as to live orderly and in a
peaceful and settled manner; they are driven any way by their impulses,
and all solid principle goes out of them.
Very true, he said.
On the other hand, those steadfast natures which can Dbetter be depended
upon, which in a battle are impregnable to fear and immovable, are equally
immovable when there is anything to be learned; they are always in a
torpid state, and are apt to yawn and go to sleep over any intellectual
toil.
Quite true.
They must be united.
And yet we were saying that both qualities were necessary in those to whom
the higher education is to be imparted, and who are to share in any office
or command.
Certainly, he said.
And will they be a class which is rarely found?
Yes, indeed.
E He who is to hold command must be tested in many kinds of knowledge.
Then the aspirant must not only be tested in those labours and dangers and
pleasures which we mentioned before, but there is another kind of
probation which we did not mention—he must be exercised also in many
kinds of knowledge, to see whether the soul will be able to endure the
highest of all, 504or will faint under them, as in any other studies and
exercises.
Yes, he said, you are quite right in testing him. But what do you mean by
the highest of all knowledge?
You may remember, I said, that we divided the soul into three parts; and
distinguished the several natures of justice, temperance, courage, and
wisdom?
Indeed, he said, if I had forgotten, I should not deserve to hear more.
And do you remember the word of caution which preceded the discussion of
them8?
To what do you refer?
B The shorter exposition of education, which has been already given, inadequate.
We were saying, if I am not mistaken, that he who wanted to see them in
their perfect beauty must take a longer and more circuitous way, at the
end of which they would appear; but that we could add on a popular
exposition of them on a level with the discussion which had preceded. And
you replied that such an exposition would be enough for you, and so the
enquiry was continued in what to me seemed to be a very inaccurate manner;
whether you were satisfied or not, it is for you to say.
Yes, he said, I thought and the others thought that you gave us a fair
measure of truth.
C
But, my friend, I said, a measure of such things which in any degree falls
short of the whole truth is not fair measure; for nothing imperfect is the
measure of anything, although persons are too apt to be contented and
think that they need search no further.
Not an uncommon case when people are indolent.
Yes, I said; and there cannot be any worse fault in a guardian of the
State and of the laws.
True.
The guardian must take the longer road of the higher learning,
The guardian then, I said, must be required to take the Dlonger circuit,
and toil at learning as well as at gymnastics, or he will never reach the
highest knowledge of all which, as we were just now saying, is his proper
calling.
What, he said, is there a knowledge still higher than this—higher
than justice and the other virtues?
Yes, I said, there is. And of the virtues too we must behold not the
outline merely, as at present—nothing short of the most finished
picture should satisfy us. When little Ethings are elaborated with an
infinity of pains, in order that they may appear in their full beauty and
utmost clearness, how ridiculous that we should not think the highest
truths worthy of attaining the highest accuracy!
A right noble thought9; but do you suppose that we shall refrain from
asking you what is this highest knowledge?
which leads upwards at last to the idea of good.
Nay, I said, ask if you will; but I am certain that you have heard the
answer many times, and now you either do not understand me or, as I rather
think, you are disposed to be 505troublesome; for you have often been told
that the idea of good is the highest knowledge, and that all other things
become useful and advantageous only by their use of this. You can hardly
be ignorant that of this I was about to speak, concerning which, as you
have often heard me say, we know so little; and, without which, any other
knowledge Bor possession of any kind will profit us nothing. Do you think
that the possession of all other things is of any value if we do not
possess the good? or the knowledge of all other things if we have no
knowledge of beauty and goodness?
Assuredly not.
But what is the good? Some say pleasure, others knowledge, which they absurdly explain to mean knowledge of the good.
You are further aware that most people affirm pleasure to be the good, but
the finer sort of wits say it is knowledge?
Yes.
And you are aware too that the latter cannot explain what they mean by
knowledge, but are obliged after all to say knowledge of the good?
How ridiculous!
C
Yes, I said, that they should begin by reproaching us with our ignorance
of the good, and then presume our knowledge of it—for the good they
define to be knowledge of the good, just as if we understood them when
they use the term ‘good’—this is of course ridiculous.
Most true, he said.
And those who make pleasure their good are in equal perplexity; for they
are compelled to admit that there are bad pleasures as well as good.
Certainly.
And therefore to acknowledge that bad and good are the same?
D
True.
There can be no doubt about the numerous difficulties in which this
question is involved.
There can be none.
Further, do we not see that many are willing to do or to have or to seem
to be what is just and honourable without the reality; but no one is
satisfied with the appearance of good—the reality is what they seek;
in the case of the good, appearance is despised by every one.
Very true, he said.
Every man pursues the good, but without knowing the nature of it.
Of this then, which every soul of man pursues and makes Ethe end of all his
actions, having a presentiment that there is such an end, and yet
hesitating because neither knowing 506the nature nor having the same
assurance of this as of other things, and therefore losing whatever good
there is in other things,—of a principle such and so great as this
ought the best men in our State, to whom everything is entrusted, to be in
the darkness of ignorance?
Certainly not, he said.
I am sure, I said, that he who does not know how the beautiful and the
just are likewise good will be but a sorry guardian of them; and I suspect
that no one who is ignorant of the good will have a true knowledge of
them.
That, he said, is a shrewd suspicion of yours.
B
And if we only have a guardian who has this knowledge our State will be
perfectly ordered?
The guardian ought to know these things.
Of course, he replied; but I wish that you would tell me whether you
conceive this supreme principle of the good to be knowledge or pleasure,
or different from either?
Aye, I said, I knew all along that a fastidious gentleman10 like you would
not be contented with the thoughts of other people about these matters.
True, Socrates; but I must say that one who like you has passed a lifetime
in the study of philosophy should not be Calways repeating the opinions of
others, and never telling his own.
Well, but has any one a right to say positively what he does not know?
Not, he said, with the assurance of positive certainty; he has no right to
do that: but he may say what he thinks, as a matter of opinion.
And do you not know, I said, that all mere opinions are bad, and the best
of them blind? You would not deny that those who have any true notion
without intelligence are only like blind men who feel their way along the
road?
Very true.
And do you wish to behold what is blind and crooked and Dbase, when others
will tell you of brightness and beauty?
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
Still, I must implore you, Socrates, said Glaucon, not to turn away just
as you are reaching the goal; if you will only give such an explanation of
the good as you have already given of justice and temperance and the other
virtues, we shall be satisfied.
We can only attain to the things of mind through the things of sense. The ‘child’ of the good.
Yes, my friend, and I shall be at least equally satisfied, but I cannot
help fearing that I shall fail, and that my indiscreet zeal will bring
ridicule upon me. No, sweet sirs, let us not Eat present ask what is the
actual nature of the good, for to reach what is now in my thoughts would
be an effort too great for me. But of the child of the good who is likest
him, I would fain speak, if I could be sure that you wished to hear—otherwise,
not.
By all means, he said, tell us about the child, and you shall remain in
our debt for the account of the parent.
507
I do indeed wish, I replied, that I could pay, and you receive, the
account of the parent, and not, as now, of the offspring only; take,
however, this latter by way of interest11, and at the same time have a care
that I do not render a false account, although I have no intention of
deceiving you.
Yes, we will take all the care that we can: proceed.
Yes, I said, but I must first come to an understanding with you, and
remind you of what I have mentioned in the course of this discussion, and
at many other times.
B
What?
The old story, that there is a many beautiful and a many good, and so of
other things which we describe and define; to all of them the term ‘many’
is applied.
True, he said.
And there is an absolute beauty and an absolute good, and of other things
to which the term ‘many’ is applied there is an absolute; for they may be
brought under a single idea, which is called the essence of each.
Very true.
The many, as we say, are seen but not known, and the ideas are known but
not seen.
Exactly.
C
And what is the organ with which we see the visible things?
The sight, he said.
And with the hearing, I said, we hear, and with the other senses perceive
the other objects of sense?
True.
Sight the most complex of the senses,
But have you remarked that sight is by far the most costly and complex
piece of workmanship which the artificer of the senses ever contrived?
No, I never have, he said.
Then reflect; has the ear or voice need of any third or Dadditional nature
in order that the one may be able to hear and the other to be heard?
Nothing of the sort.
No, indeed, I replied; and the same is true of most, if not all, the other
senses—you would not say that any of them requires such an addition?
Certainly not.
But you see that without the addition of some other nature there is no
seeing or being seen?
How do you mean?
and, unlike the other senses, requires the addition of a third nature before it can be used. This third nature is light.
Sight being, as I conceive, in the eyes, and he who has eyes wanting to
see; colour being also present in them, still Eunless there be a third
nature specially adapted to the purpose, the owner of the eyes will see
nothing and the colours will be invisible.
Of what nature are you speaking?
Of that which you term light, I replied.
True, he said.
508
Noble, then, is the bond which links together sight and visibility, and
great beyond other bonds by no small difference of nature; for light is
their bond, and light is no ignoble thing?
Nay, he said, the reverse of ignoble.
And which, I said, of the gods in heaven would you say was the lord of
this element? Whose is that light which makes the eye to see perfectly and
the visible to appear?
You mean the sun, as you and all mankind say.
May not the relation of sight to this deity be described as follows?
How?
B
Neither sight nor the eye in which sight resides is the sun?
No.
The eye like the sun, but not the same with it.
Yet of all the organs of sense the eye is the most like the sun?
By far the most like.
And the power which the eye possesses is a sort of effluence which is
dispensed from the sun?
Exactly.
Then the sun is not sight, but the author of sight who is recognised by
sight?
True, he said.
And this is he whom I call the child of the good, whom the good begat in
his own likeness, to be in the visible world, in Crelation to sight and the
things of sight, what the good is in the intellectual world in relation to
mind and the things of mind:
Will you be a little more explicit? he said.
Why, you know, I said, that the eyes, when a person directs them towards
objects on which the light of day is no longer shining, but the moon and
stars only, see dimly, and are nearly blind; they seem to have no
clearness of vision in them?
Very true.
D Visible objects are to be seen only when the sun shines upon them; truth is only known when illuminated by the idea of good.
But when they are directed towards objects on which the sun shines, they
see clearly and there is sight in them?
Certainly.
And the soul is like the eye: when resting upon that on which truth and
being shine, the soul perceives and understands, and is radiant with
intelligence; but when turned towards the twilight of becoming and
perishing, then she has opinion only, and goes blinking about, and is
first of one opinion and then of another, and seems to have no
intelligence?
Just so.
E The idea of good higher than science or truth (the objective than the subjective).
Now, that which imparts truth to the known and the power of knowing to the
knower is what I would have you term the idea of good, and this you will
deem to be the cause of science12, and of truth in so far as the latter
becomes the subject of knowledge; beautiful too, as are both truth and
knowledge, you will be right in esteeming this other nature 509as more
beautiful than either; and, as in the previous instance, light and sight
may be truly said to be like the sun, and yet not to be the sun, so in
this other sphere, science and truth may be deemed to be like the good,
but not the good; the good has a place of honour yet higher.
What a wonder of beauty that must be, he said, which is the author of
science and truth, and yet surpasses them in beauty; for you surely cannot
mean to say that pleasure is the good?
God forbid, I replied; but may I ask you to consider the image in another
point of view?
B
In what point of view?
You would say, would you not, that the sun is not only the author of
visibility in all visible things, but of generation and nourishment and
growth, though he himself is not generation?
Certainly.
As the sun is the cause of generation, so the good is the cause of being and essence.
In like manner the good may be said to be not only the author of knowledge
to all things known, but of their being and essence, and yet the good is
not essence, but far exceeds essence in dignity and power.
C
Glaucon said, with a ludicrous earnestness: By the light of heaven, how
amazing!
Yes, I said, and the exaggeration may be set down to you; for you made me
utter my fancies.
And pray continue to utter them; at any rate let us hear if there is
anything more to be said about the similitude of the sun.
Yes, I said, there is a great deal more.
Then omit nothing, however slight.
I will do my best, I said; but I should think that a great deal will have
to be omitted.
I hope not, he said.
D
You have to imagine, then, that there are two ruling powers, and that one
of them is set over the intellectual world, the other over the visible. I
do not say heaven, lest you should fancy that I am playing upon the name
(οὐρανός, ὁρατός). May I suppose that you have this distinction of the
visible and intelligible fixed in your mind?
I have.
The two spheres of sight and knowledge are represented by a line which is divided into two unequal parts.
Now take a line which has been cut into two unequal13 parts, and divide each
of them again in the same proportion, and suppose the two main divisions
to answer, one to the visible and the other to the intelligible, and then
compare the subdivisions in respect of their clearness and want of
Eclearness, and you will find that the first section in the 510sphere of the
visible consists of images. And by images I mean, in the first place,
shadows, and in the second place, reflections in water and in solid,
smooth and polished bodies and the like: Do you understand?
Yes, I understand.
Imagine, now, the other section, of which this is only the resemblance, to
include the animals which we see, and everything that grows or is made.
Very good.
Would you not admit that both the sections of this division have different
degrees of truth, and that the copy is to the original as the sphere of
opinion is to the sphere of knowledge?
B
Most undoubtedly.
Next proceed to consider the manner in which the sphere of the
intellectual is to be divided.
In what manner?
Images and hypotheses.
Thus:—There are two subdivisions, in the lower of which the soul
uses the figures given by the former division as images; the enquiry can
only be hypothetical, and instead of going upwards to a principle descends
to the other end; in the higher of the two, the soul passes out of
hypotheses, and goes up to a principle which is above hypotheses, making
no use of images14 as in the former case, but proceeding only in and through
the ideas themselves.
I do not quite understand your meaning, he said.
C The hypotheses of mathematics.
Then I will try again; you will understand me better when I have made some
preliminary remarks. You are aware that students of geometry, arithmetic,
and the kindred sciences assume the odd and the even and the figures and
three kinds of angles and the like in their several branches of science;
these are their hypotheses, which they and every body are supposed to
know, and therefore they do not deign to give any account of them either
to themselves or others; Dbut they begin with them, and go on until they
arrive at last, and in a consistent manner, at their conclusion?
Yes, he said, I know.
In both spheres
hypotheses are used, in the lower taking the form of images, but in the
higher the soul ascends above hypotheses to the idea of good.
And do you not know also that although they make use of the visible forms
and reason about them, they are thinking not of these, but of the ideals
which they resemble; not of the E figures which they draw, but of the
absolute square and the absolute diameter, and so on—the forms which
they draw or make, and which have shadows and reflections in water of
their own, are converted by them into images, but they are really seeking
to behold the things themselves, which can only be seen with the eye of
the mind?
511
That is true.
And of this kind I spoke as the intelligible, although in the search after
it the soul is compelled to use hypotheses; not ascending to a first
principle, because she is unable to rise above the region of hypothesis,
but employing the objects of which the shadows below are resemblances in
their turn as images, they having in relation to the shadows and
reflections of them a greater distinctness, and therefore a higher value.
B
I understand, he said, that you are speaking of the province of geometry
and the sister arts.
Dialectic by the help of hypotheses rises above hypotheses.
And when I speak of the other division of the intelligible, you will
understand me to speak of that other sort of knowledge which reason
herself attains by the power of dialectic, using the hypotheses not as
first principles, but only as hypotheses—that is to say, as steps
and points of departure into a world which is above hypotheses, in order
that she may soar beyond them to the first principle of the whole; and
clinging to this and then to that which depends on this, by successive
steps she descends again without the aid of Cany sensible object, from
ideas, through ideas, and in ideas she ends.
I understand you, he replied; not perfectly, for you seem to me to be
describing a task which is really tremendous; but, at any rate, I
understand you to say that knowledge and being, which the science of
dialectic contemplates, are clearer than the notions of the arts, as they
are termed, which proceed from hypotheses only: these are also
contemplated by the understanding, and not by the senses: yet, because
Dthey start from hypotheses and do not ascend to a principle, those who
contemplate them appear to you not to exercise the higher reason upon
them, although when a first principle is added to them they are cognizable
by the higher reason. Return to psychology.And the habit which is concerned with geometry and
the cognate sciences I suppose that you would term understanding and not
reason, as being intermediate between opinion and reason.
Four faculties: Reason, understanding, faith, perception of shadows.
You have quite conceived my meaning, I said; and now, corresponding to
these four divisions, let there be four faculties in the soul—reason
answering to the highest, Eunderstanding to the second, faith (or
conviction) to the third, and perception of shadows to the last—and
let there be a scale of them, and let us suppose that the several
faculties have clearness in the same degree that their objects have truth.
I understand, he replied, and give my assent, and accept your arrangement.
Steph.
514Republic VII.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
The den, the prisoners; the light at a distance;
AND now, I said, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened
or unenlightened:—Behold! human beings living in a underground den,
which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the den;
here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks
chained so that they cannot move, and Bcan only see before them, being
prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind
them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the
prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall
built along the way, like the screen which marionette players have in
front of them, over which they show the puppets.
I see.
the low wall, and the moving figures of which the shadows are seen on the opposite wall of the den.
And do you see, I said, men passing along the wall carrying Call sorts of
vessels, and statues and figures of animals 515made of wood and stone and
various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are talking,
others silent.
You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners.
Like ourselves, I replied; and they see only their own shadows, or the
shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the
cave?
True, he said; how could they see anything but the Bshadows if they were
never allowed to move their heads?
And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they would only
see the shadows?
Yes, he said.
And if they were able to converse with one another, would they not suppose
that they were naming what was actually before them1?
Very true.
The prisoners would mistake the shadows for realities.
And suppose further that the prison had an echo which came from the other
side, would they not be sure to fancy when one of the passers-by spoke
that the voice which they heard came from the passing shadow?
No question, he replied.
C
To them, I said, the truth would be literally nothing but the shadows of
the images.
That is certain.
And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners
are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is
liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and
walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare
will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of Dwhich in
his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive some one
saying to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when
he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real
existence, he has a clearer vision,—what will be his reply? And when released, they would still persist in maintaining the superior truth of the shadows.And you
may further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they
pass and requiring him to name them,—will he not be perplexed? Will
he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the
objects which are now shown to him?
Far truer.
E
And if he is compelled to look straight at the light, will he not have a
pain in his eyes which will make him turn away to take refuge in the
objects of vision which he can see, and which he will conceive to be in
reality clearer than the things which are now being shown to him?
True, he said.
When dragged upwards, they would be dazzled by excess of light.
And suppose once more, that he is reluctantly dragged up a steep and
rugged ascent, and held fast until he is forced into the presence of the
sun himself, is he not likely to be 516pained and irritated? When he
approaches the light his eyes will be dazzled, and he will not be able to
see anything at all of what are now called realities.
Not all in a moment, he said.
He will require to grow accustomed to the sight of the upper world. And
first he will see the shadows best, next the reflections of men and other
objects in the water, and then the objects themselves; then he will gaze
upon the light of the moon and the stars and the spangled heaven; Band he
will see the sky and the stars by night better than the sun or the light
of the sun by day?
Certainly.
At length they will see the sun and understand his nature.
Last of all he will be able to see the sun, and not mere reflections of
him in the water, but he will see him in his own proper place, and not in
another; and he will contemplate him as he is.
Certainly.
He will then proceed to argue that this is he who gives the season and the
years, and is the guardian of all that is in the visible world, and in a
certain way the cause of all Cthings which he and his fellows have been
accustomed to behold?
Clearly, he said, he would first see the sun and then reason about him.
They would then pity their old companions of the den.
And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the den and
his fellow-prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate himself
on the change, and pity them?
Certainly, he would.
And if they were in the habit of conferring honours among themselves on
those who were quickest to observe the passing shadows and to remark which
of them went before, and Dwhich followed after, and which were together;
and who were therefore best able to draw conclusions as to the future, do
you think that he would care for such honours and glories, or envy the
possessors of them? Would he not say with Homer,
‘Better to be the poor servant of a poor master,’
and to endure anything, rather than think as they do and live after their
manner?
E
Yes, he said, I think that he would rather suffer anything than entertain
these false notions and live in this miserable manner.
But when they returned to the den they would see much worse than those who had never left it.
Imagine once more, I said, such an one coming suddenly out of the sun to
be replaced in his old situation; would he not be certain to have his eyes
full of darkness?
To be sure, he said.
And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the
shadows with the prisoners who had never 517moved out of the den, while his
sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time
which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very
considerable), would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he
went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not even to
think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up
to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to
death.
No question, he said.
The prison is the world of sight, the light of the fire is the sun.
This entire allegory, I said, you may now append, dear BGlaucon, to the
previous argument; the prison-house is the world of sight, the light of
the fire is the sun, and you will not misapprehend me if you interpret the
journey upwards to be the ascent of the soul into the intellectual world
according to my poor belief, which, at your desire, I have expressed—whether
rightly or wrongly God knows. But, whether true or false, my opinion is
that in the world of knowledge the idea of good appears last of all, and
is seen Conly with an effort; and, when seen, is also inferred to be the
universal author of all things beautiful and right, parent of light and of
the lord of light in this visible world, and the immediate source of
reason and truth in the intellectual; and that this is the power upon
which he who would act rationally either in public or private life must
have his eye fixed.
I agree, he said, as far as I am able to understand you.
Moreover, I said, you must not wonder that those who attain to this
beatific vision are unwilling to descend to human affairs; for their souls
are ever hastening into the Dupper world where they desire to dwell; which
desire of theirs is very natural, if our allegory may be trusted.
Yes, very natural.
Nothing extraordinary in the philosopher being unable to see in the dark.
And is there anything surprising in one who passes from divine
contemplations to the evil state of man, misbehaving himself in a
ridiculous manner; if, while his eyes are blinking and before he has
become accustomed to the surrounding darkness, he is compelled to fight in
courts of law, or in other places, about the images or the shadows of
images Eof justice, and is endeavouring to meet the conceptions of those
who have never yet seen absolute justice?
Anything but surprising, he replied.
518 The eyes may be blinded in two ways, by excess or by defect of light.
Any one who has common sense will remember that the bewilderments of the
eyes are of two kinds, and arise from two causes, either from coming out
of the light or from going into the light, which is true of the mind’s
eye, quite as much as of the bodily eye; and he who remembers this when he
sees any one whose vision is perplexed and weak, will not be too ready to
laugh; he will first ask whether that soul of man has come out of the
brighter life, and is unable to see because unaccustomed to the dark, or
having turned from darkness to the day is dazzled by excess of light. BAnd
he will count the one happy in his condition and state of being, and he
will pity the other; or, if he have a mind to laugh at the soul which
comes from below into the light, there will be more reason in this than in
the laugh which greets him who returns from above out of the light into
the den.
That, he said, is a very just distinction.
The conversion of the soul is the turning round the eye from darkness to light.
But then, if I am right, certain professors of education must be wrong
when they say that they can put a knowledge Cinto the soul which was not
there before, like sight into blind eyes.
They undoubtedly say this, he replied.
Whereas, our argument shows that the power and capacity of learning exists
in the soul already; and that just as the eye was unable to turn from
darkness to light without the whole body, so too the instrument of
knowledge can only by the movement of the whole soul be turned from the
world of becoming into that of being, and learn by degrees to endure the
sight of being, and of the brightest and best of being, or Din other words,
of the good.
Very true.
And must there not be some art which will effect conversion in the easiest
and quickest manner; not implanting the faculty of sight, for that exists
already, but has been turned in the wrong direction, and is looking away
from the truth?
Yes, he said, such an art may be presumed.
The virtue of wisdom has a divine power which may be turned either towards good or towards evil.
And whereas the other so-called virtues of the soul seem to be akin to
bodily qualities, for even when they are not E originally innate they can be
implanted later by habit and exercise, the virtue of wisdom more than
anything else contains a divine element which always remains, and by this
conversion is rendered useful and profitable; or, on the other hand,
hurtful and useless. Did you never observe the narrow 519intelligence
flashing from the keen eye of a clever rogue—how eager he is, how
clearly his paltry soul sees the way to his end; he is the reverse of
blind, but his keen eye-sight is forced into the service of evil, and he
is mischievous in proportion to his cleverness?
Very true, he said.
But what if there had been a circumcision of such natures in the days of
their youth; and they had been severed from those sensual pleasures, such
as eating and drinking, which, Blike leaden weights, were attached to them
at their birth, and which drag them down and turn the vision of their
souls upon the things that are below—if, I say, they had been
released from these impediments and turned in the opposite direction, the
very same faculty in them would have seen the truth as keenly as they see
what their eyes are turned to now.
Very likely.
Neither the uneducated nor the overeducated will be good servants of the State.
Yes, I said; and there is another thing which is likely, or rather a
necessary inference from what has preceded, that neither the uneducated
and uninformed of the truth, nor Cyet those who never make an end of their
education, will be able ministers of State; not the former, because they
have no single aim of duty which is the rule of all their actions, private
as well as public; nor the latter, because they will not act at all except
upon compulsion, fancying that they are already dwelling apart in the
islands of the blest.
Very true, he replied.
Then, I said, the business of us who are the founders of the State will be
to compel the best minds to attain that knowledge which we have already
shown to be the greatest of all—they must continue to ascend until
they arrive at the good; Dbut when they have ascended and seen enough we
must not allow them to do as they do now.
What do you mean?
Men should ascend to the upper world, but they should also return to the lower.
I mean that they remain in the upper world: but this must not be allowed;
they must be made to descend again among the prisoners in the den, and
partake of their labours and honours, whether they are worth having or
not.
But is not this unjust? he said; ought we to give them a worse life, when
they might have a better?
E
You have again forgotten, my friend, I said, the intention of the
legislator, who did not aim at making any one class in the State happy
above the rest; the happiness was to be in the whole State, and he held
the citizens together by persuasion and necessity, making them benefactors
of the State, 520and therefore benefactors of one another; to this end he
created them, not to please themselves, but to be his instruments in
binding up the State.
True, he said, I had forgotten.
The duties of philosophers.
Observe, Glaucon, that there will be no injustice in compelling our
philosophers to have a care and providence of others; we shall explain to
them that in other States, men Bof their class are not obliged to share in
the toils of politics: and this is reasonable, for they grow up at their
own sweet will, and the government would rather not have them. Being
self-taught, they cannot be expected to show any gratitude for a culture
which they have never received. But we have brought you into the world to
be rulers of the hive, kings of yourselves and of the other citizens, and
have educated you far better and more perfectly than they have been
educated, and you are better able to share in the double duty. Their obligations to their country will induce them to take part in her government.CWherefore
each of you, when his turn comes, must go down to the general underground
abode, and get the habit of seeing in the dark. When you have acquired the
habit, you will see ten thousand times better than the inhabitants of the
den, and you will know what the several images are, and what they
represent, because you have seen the beautiful and just and good in their
truth. And thus our State, which is also yours, will be a reality, and not
a dream only, and will be administered in a spirit unlike that of other
States, in which men fight with one another about shadows only and are
distracted in the struggle for power, Dwhich in their eyes is a great good.
Whereas the truth is that the State in which the rulers are most reluctant
to govern is always the best and most quietly governed, and the State in
which they are most eager, the worst.
Quite true, he replied.
And will our pupils, when they hear this, refuse to take their turn at the
toils of State, when they are allowed to spend the greater part of their
time with one another in the heavenly light?
E They will be willing but not anxious to rule.
Impossible, he answered; for they are just men, and the commands which we
impose upon them are just; there can be no doubt that every one of them
will take office as a stern necessity, and not after the fashion of our
present rulers of State.
Yes, my friend, I said; and there lies the point. You 521must contrive for
your future rulers another and a better life than that of a ruler, and
then you may have a well-ordered State; The statesman must be provided with a better life than that of a ruler; and then he will not covet office.for only in the State which offers
this, will they rule who are truly rich, not in silver and gold, but in
virtue and wisdom, which are the true blessings of life. Whereas if they
go to the administration of public affairs, poor and hungering after their
own private advantage, thinking that hence they are to snatch the chief
good, order there can never be; for they will be fighting about office,
and the civil and domestic broils which thus arise will be the ruin of the
rulers themselves and of the whole State.
Most true, he replied.
B
And the only life which looks down upon the life of political ambition is
that of true philosophy. Do you know of any other?
Indeed, I do not, he said.
And those who govern ought not to be lovers of the task? For, if they are,
there will be rival lovers, and they will fight.
No question.
Who then are those whom we shall compel to be guardians? Surely they will
be the men who are wisest about affairs of State, and by whom the State is
best administered, and who at the same time have other honours and another
and a better life than that of politics?
They are the men, and I will choose them, he replied.
C
And now shall we consider in what way such guardians will be produced, and
how they are to be brought from darkness to light,—as some are said
to have ascended from the world below to the gods?
By all means, he replied.
The training of the guardians.
The process, I said, is not the turning over of an oyster-shell2, but the turning round of a soul passing from a day which
is little better than night to the true day of being, that is, the ascent
from below3, which we affirm to be true philosophy?
Quite so.
And should we not enquire what sort of knowledge has the Dpower of
effecting such a change?
Certainly.
What knowledge will draw the soul upwards?
What sort of knowledge is there which would draw the soul from becoming to
being? And another consideration has just occurred to me: You will
remember that our young men are to be warrior athletes?
Yes, that was said.
Then this new kind of knowledge must have an additional quality?
What quality?
Usefulness in war.
Yes, if possible.
Recapitulation.
There were two parts in our former scheme of education, Ewere there not?
There were two parts in our former scheme of education, were there not?
Just so.
There was gymnastic which presided over the growth and decay of the body,
and may therefore be regarded as having to do with generation and
corruption?
True.
522
Then that is not the knowledge which we are seeking to discover?
No.
But what do you say of music, which also entered to a certain extent into
our former scheme?
Music, he said, as you will remember, was the counterpart of gymnastic,
and trained the guardians by the influences of habit, by harmony making
them harmonious, by rhythm rhythmical, but not giving them science; and
the words, whether fabulous or possibly true, had kindred elements of
rhythm and harmony in them. But in music there was Bnothing which tended to
that good which you are now seeking.
You are most accurate, I said, in your recollection; in music there
certainly was nothing of the kind. But what branch of knowledge is there,
my dear Glaucon, which is of the desired nature; since all the useful arts
were reckoned mean by us?
Undoubtedly; and yet if music and gymnastic are excluded, and the arts are
also excluded, what remains?
Well, I said, there may be nothing left of our special subjects; and then
we shall have to take something which is not special, but of universal
application.
What may that be?
C There remains for the second education, arithmetic;
A something which all arts and sciences and intelligences use in common,
and which every one first has to learn among the elements of education.
What is that?
The little matter of distinguishing one, two, and three—in a word,
number and calculation:—do not all arts and sciences necessarily
partake of them?
Yes.
Then the art of war partakes of them?
To be sure.
D
Then Palamedes, whenever he appears in tragedy, proves Agamemnon
ridiculously unfit to be a general. Did you never remark how he declares
that he had invented number, and had numbered the ships and set in array
the ranks of the army at Troy; which implies that they had never been
numbered before, and Agamemnon must be supposed literally to have been
incapable of counting his own feet—how could he if he was ignorant
of number? And if that is true, what sort of general must he have been?
I should say a very strange one, if this was as you say.
E
Can we deny that a warrior should have a knowledge of arithmetic?
Certainly he should, if he is to have the smallest understanding of
military tactics, or indeed, I should rather say, if he is to be a man at
all.
I should like to know whether you have the same notion which I have of
this study?
What is your notion?
that being a study which leads naturally to reflection, for
It appears to me to be a study of the kind which we are 523seeking, and which
leads naturally to reflection, but never to have been rightly used; for
the true use of it is simply to draw the soul towards being.
Will you explain your meaning? he said.
I will try, I said; and I wish you would share the enquiry with me, and
say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ when I attempt to distinguish in my own mind what
branches of knowledge have this attracting power, in order that we may
have clearer proof that arithmetic is, as I suspect, one of them.
Explain, he said.
reflection is aroused by contradictory impressions of sense.
I mean to say that objects of sense are of two kinds; some Bof them do not
invite thought because the sense is an adequate judge of them; while in
the case of other objects sense is so untrustworthy that further enquiry
is imperatively demanded.
You are clearly referring, he said, to the manner in which the senses are
imposed upon by distance, and by painting in light and shade.
No, I said, that is not at all my meaning.
Then what is your meaning?
When speaking of uninviting objects, I mean those which Cdo not pass from
one sensation to the opposite; inviting objects are those which do; in
this latter case the sense coming upon the object, whether at a distance
or near, gives no more vivid idea of anything in particular than of its
opposite. An illustration will make my meaning clearer:—here are
three fingers—a little finger, a second finger, and a middle finger.
Very good.
You may suppose that they are seen quite close: And here comes the point.
What is it?
No difficulty in simple perception.
Each of them equally appears a finger, whether seen in the Dmiddle or at
the extremity, whether white or black, or thick or thin—it makes no
difference; a finger is a finger all the same. In these cases a man is not
compelled to ask of thought the question what is a finger? for the sight
never intimates to the mind that a finger is other than a finger.
True.
And therefore, I said, as we might expect, there is nothing Ehere which
invites or excites intelligence.
There is not, he said.
But the same
senses at the same time give different impressions which are at first
indistinct and have to be distinguished by the mind.
But is this equally true of the greatness and smallness of the fingers?
Can sight adequately perceive them? and is no difference made by the
circumstance that one of the fingers is in the middle and another at the
extremity? And in like manner does the touch adequately perceive the
qualities of thickness or thinness, of softness or hardness? And so of the
other senses; do they give perfect intimations of such matters? 524Is not
their mode of operation on this wise—the sense which is concerned
with the quality of hardness is necessarily concerned also with the
quality of softness, and only intimates to the soul that the same thing is
felt to be both hard and soft?
You are quite right, he said.
And must not the soul be perplexed at this intimation which the sense
gives of a hard which is also soft? What, again, is the meaning of light
and heavy, if that which is light is also heavy, and that which is heavy,
light?
B
Yes, he said, these intimations which the soul receives are very curious
and require to be explained.
The aid of numbers is invoked in order to remove the confusion.
Yes, I said, and in these perplexities the soul naturally summons to her
aid calculation and intelligence, that she may see whether the several
objects announced to her are one or two.
True.
And if they turn out to be two, is not each of them one and different?
Certainly.
And if each is one, and both are two, she will conceive the Ctwo as in a
state of division, for if there were undivided they could only be
conceived of as one?
True.
The eye certainly did see both small and great, but only in a confused
manner; they were not distinguished.
Yes.
The chaos then begins to be defined.
Whereas the thinking mind, intending to light up the chaos, was compelled
to reverse the process, and look at small and great as separate and not
confused.
Very true.
Was not this the beginning of the enquiry ‘What is great?’ and ‘What is
small?’
Exactly so.
The parting of the visible and intelligible.
And thus arose the distinction of the visible and the intelligible.
D
Most true.
This was what I meant when I spoke of impressions which invited the
intellect, or the reverse—those which are simultaneous with opposite
impressions, invite thought; those which are not simultaneous do not.
I understand, he said, and agree with you.
And to which class do unity and number belong?
I do not know, he replied.
Thought is aroused by the contradiction of the one and many.
Think a little and you will see that what has preceded will supply the
answer; for if simple unity could be adequately perceived by the sight or
by any other sense, then, Eas we were saying in the case of the finger,
there would be nothing to attract towards being; but when there is some
contradiction always present, and one is the reverse of one and involves
the conception of plurality, then thought begins to be aroused within us,
and the soul perplexed and wanting to arrive at a decision asks ‘What is
absolute unity?’ This 525is the way in which the study of the one has a power
of drawing and converting the mind to the contemplation of true being.
And surely, he said, this occurs notably in the case of one; for we see
the same thing to be both one and infinite in multitude?
Yes, I said; and this being true of one must be equally true of all
number?
Certainly.
And all arithmetic and calculation have to do with number?
Yes.
B
And they appear to lead the mind towards truth?
Yes, in a very remarkable manner.
Arithmetic has a practical and also a philosophical use, the latter the higher.
Then this is knowledge of the kind for which we are seeking, having a
double use, military and philosophical; for the man of war must learn the
art of number or he will not know how to array his troops, and the
philosopher also, because he has to rise out of the sea of change and lay
hold of true being, and therefore he must be an arithmetician.
That is true.
And our guardian is both warrior and philosopher?
Certainly.
Then this is a kind of knowledge which legislation may fitly prescribe;
and we must endeavour to persuade those Cwho are to be the principal men of
our State to go and learn arithmetic, not as amateurs, but they must carry
on the study until they see the nature of numbers with the mind only; nor
again, like merchants or retail-traders, with a view to buying or selling,
but for the sake of their military use, and of the soul herself; and
because this will be the easiest way for her to pass from becoming to
truth and being.
That is excellent, he said.
Yes, I said, and now having spoken of it, I must add Dhow charming the
science is! and in how many ways it conduces to our desired end, if
pursued in the spirit of a philosopher, and not of a shopkeeper!
How do you mean?
The higher arithmetic is concerned, not with visible or tangible objects, but with abstract numbers.
I mean, as I was saying, that arithmetic has a very great and elevating
effect, compelling the soul to reason about abstract number, and rebelling
against the introduction of visible or tangible objects into the argument.
You know Ehow steadily the masters of the art repel and ridicule any one
who attempts to divide absolute unity when he is calculating, and if you
divide, they multiply4, taking care that one shall continue one and not
become lost in fractions.
That is very true.
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Now, suppose a person were to say to them: O my friends, what are these
wonderful numbers about which you are reasoning, in which, as you say,
there is a unity such as you demand, and each unit is equal, invariable,
indivisible,—what would they answer?
They would answer, as I should conceive, that they were speaking of those
numbers which can only be realized in thought.
Then you see that this knowledge may be truly called Bnecessary,
necessitating as it clearly does the use of the pure intelligence in the
attainment of pure truth?
Yes; that is a marked characteristic of it.
The arithmetician is naturally quick, and the study of arithmetic gives him still greater quickness.
And have you further observed, that those who have a natural talent for
calculation are generally quick at every other kind of knowledge; and even
the dull, if they have had an arithmetical training, although they may
derive no other advantage from it, always become much quicker than they
would otherwise have been.
Very true, he said.
C
And indeed, you will not easily find a more difficult study, and not many
as difficult.
You will not.
And, for all these reasons, arithmetic is a kind of knowledge in which the
best natures should be trained, and which must not be given up.
I agree.
Let this then be made one of our subjects of education. And next, shall we
enquire whether the kindred science also concerns us?
You mean geometry?
Exactly so.
D Geometry has practical applications;
Clearly, he said, we are concerned with that part of geometry which
relates to war; for in pitching a camp, or taking up a position, or
closing or extending the lines of an army, or any other military
manoeuvre, whether in actual battle or on a march, it will make all the
difference whether a general is or is not a geometrician.
these however are trifling in comparison with that greater part of the science which tends towards the good,
Yes, I said, but for that purpose a very little of either geometry or
calculation will be enough; the question relates rather to the greater and
more advanced part of geometry—Ewhether that tends in any degree to
make more easy the vision of the idea of good; and thither, as I was
saying, all things tend which compel the soul to turn her gaze towards
that place, where is the full perfection of being, which she ought, by all
means, to behold.
True, he said.
Then if geometry compels us to view being, it concerns us; if becoming
only, it does not concern us?
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Yes, that is what we assert.
Yet anybody who has the least acquaintance with geometry will not deny
that such a conception of the science is in flat contradiction to the
ordinary language of geometricians.
How so?
They have in view practice only, and are always speaking, in a narrow and
ridiculous manner, of squaring and extending and applying and the like—they
confuse the necessities of geometry with those of daily life; whereas
knowledge is the Breal object of the whole science.
Certainly, he said.
Then must not a further admission be made?
What admission?
and is concerned with the eternal.
That the knowledge at which geometry aims is knowledge of the eternal, and
not of aught perishing and transient.
That, he replied, may be readily allowed, and is true.
Then, my noble friend, geometry will draw the soul towards truth, and
create the spirit of philosophy, and raise up that which is now unhappily
allowed to fall down.
Nothing will be more likely to have such an effect.
C
Then nothing should be more sternly laid down than that the inhabitants of
your fair city should by all means learn geometry. Moreover the science
has indirect effects, which are not small.
Of what kind? he said.
There are the military advantages of which you spoke, I said; and in all
departments of knowledge, as experience proves, any one who has studied
geometry is infinitely quicker of apprehension than one who has not.
Yes indeed, he said, there is an infinite difference between them.
Then shall we propose this as a second branch of knowledge which our youth
will study?
Let us do so, he replied.
D
And suppose we make astronomy the third—what do you say?
Astronomy, like the previous sciences, is at first praised by Glaucon for its practical uses.
I am strongly inclined to it, he said; the observation of the seasons and
of months and years is as essential to the general as it is to the farmer
or sailor.
I am amused, I said, at your fear of the world, which makes you guard
against the appearance of insisting upon useless studies; and I quite
admit the difficulty of believing that in every man there is an eye of the
soul which, when by Eother pursuits lost and dimmed, is by these purified
and re-illumined; and is more precious far than ten thousand bodily eyes,
for by it alone is truth seen. Now there are two classes of persons: one
class of those who will agree with you and will take your words as a
revelation; another class 528to whom they will be utterly unmeaning, and who
will naturally deem them to be idle tales, for they see no sort of profit
which is to be obtained from them. And therefore you had better decide at
once with which of the two you are proposing to argue. You will very
likely say with neither, and that your chief aim in carrying on the
argument is your own improvement; at the same time you do not grudge to
others any benefit which they may receive.
I think that I should prefer to carry on the argument mainly on my own
behalf.
Correction of the order.
Then take a step backward, for we have gone wrong in the order of the
sciences.
What was the mistake? he said.
After plane geometry, I said, we proceeded at once to Bsolids in
revolution, instead of taking solids in themselves; whereas after the
second dimension the third, which is concerned with cubes and dimensions
of depth, ought to have followed.
That is true, Socrates; but so little seems to be known as yet about these
subjects.
The pitiable condition of solid geometry.
Why, yes, I said, and for two reasons:—in the first place, no
government patronises them; this leads to a want of energy in the pursuit
of them, and they are difficult; in the second place, students cannot
learn them unless they have a director. But then a director can hardly be
found, and even Cif he could, as matters now stand, the students, who are
very conceited, would not attend to him. That, however, would be otherwise
if the whole State became the director of these studies and gave honour to
them; then disciples would want to come, and there would be continuous and
earnest search, and discoveries would be made; since even now, disregarded
as they are by the world, and maimed of their fair proportions, and
although none of their votaries can tell the use of them, still these
studies force their way by their natural charm, and very likely, if they
had the help of the State, they would some day emerge into light.
D
Yes, he said, there is a remarkable charm in them. But I do not clearly
understand the change in the order. First you began with a geometry of
plane surfaces?
Yes, I said.
And you placed astronomy next, and then you made a step backward?
The motion of solids.
Yes, and I have delayed you by my hurry; the ludicrous state of solid
geometry, which, in natural order, should have followed, made me pass over
this branch and go on to Eastronomy, or motion of solids.
True, he said.
Then assuming that the science now omitted would come into existence if
encouraged by the State, let us go on to astronomy, which will be fourth.
Glaucon grows sentimental about astronomy.
The right order, he replied. And now, Socrates, as you rebuked the vulgar
manner in which I praised astronomy 529before, my praise shall be given in
your own spirit. For every one, as I think, must see that astronomy
compels the soul to look upwards and leads us from this world to another.
Every one but myself, I said; to every one else this may be clear, but not
to me.
And what then would you say?
I should rather say that those who elevate astronomy into philosophy
appear to me to make us look downwards and not upwards.
What do you mean? he asked.
He is rebuked by Socrates,
You, I replied, have in your mind a truly sublime conception of our
knowledge of the things above. And I dare Bsay that if a person were to
throw his head back and study the fretted ceiling, you would still think
that his mind was the percipient, and not his eyes. And you are very
likely right, and I may be a simpleton: but, in my opinion, that knowledge
only which is of being and of the unseen can make the soul look upwards,
and whether a man gapes at the heavens or blinks on the ground, seeking to
learn some particular of sense, I would deny that he can learn, for
Cnothing of that sort is matter of science; his soul is looking downwards,
not upwards, whether his way to knowledge is by water or by land, whether
he floats, or only lies on his back.
who explains that the higher astronomy is an abstract science.
I acknowledge, he said, the justice of your rebuke. Still, I should like
to ascertain how astronomy can be learned in any manner more conducive to
that knowledge of which we are speaking?
I will tell you, I said: The starry heaven which we behold is wrought upon
a visible ground, and therefore, Dalthough the fairest and most perfect of
visible things, must necessarily be deemed inferior far to the true
motions of absolute swiftness and absolute slowness, which are relative to
each other, and carry with them that which is contained in them, in the
true number and in every true figure. Now, these are to be apprehended by
reason and intelligence, but not by sight.
True, he replied.
The spangled heavens should be used as a pattern and with a view to that
higher knowledge; their beauty is like Ethe beauty of figures or pictures
excellently wrought by the hand of Daedalus, or some other great artist,
which we may chance to behold; any geometrician who saw them would
appreciate the exquisiteness of their workmanship, but he would never
dream of thinking that in them he could find the true equal or the true
double, or the truth of any 530other proportion.
No, he replied, such an idea would be ridiculous.
And will not a true astronomer have the same feeling when he looks at the
movements of the stars? Will he not think that heaven and the things in
heaven are framed by the Creator of them in the most perfect manner? But
he will never imagine that the proportions of night and day, or of both to
the month, or of the month to the year, or of the Bstars to these and to
one another, and any other things that are material and visible can also
be eternal and subject to no deviation—that would be absurd; and it
is equally absurd to take so much pains in investigating their exact
truth.
I quite agree, though I never thought of this before.
The real knowledge of astronomy or geometry is to be attained by the use of abstractions.
Then, I said, in astronomy, as in geometry, we should employ problems, and
let the heavens alone if we would approach the subject in the right way
and so make the Cnatural gift of reason to be of any real use.
That, he said, is a work infinitely beyond our present astronomers.
Yes, I said; and there are many other things which must also have a
similar extension given to them, if our legislation is to be of any value.
But can you tell me of any other suitable study?
No, he said, not without thinking.
Motion, I said, has many forms, and not one only; two of Dthem are obvious
enough even to wits no better than ours; and there are others, as I
imagine, which may be left to wiser persons.
But where are the two?
There is a second, I said, which is the counterpart of the one already
named.
And what may that be?
What astronomy is to the eye, harmonics are to the ear.
The second, I said, would seem relatively to the ears to be what the first
is to the eyes; for I conceive that as the eyes are designed to look up at
the stars, so are the ears to hear harmonious motions; and these are
sister sciences—as the Pythagoreans say, and we, Glaucon, agree with
them?
Yes, he replied.
E
But this, I said, is a laborious study, and therefore we had better go and
learn of them; and they will tell us whether there are any other
applications of these sciences. At the same time, we must not lose sight
of our own higher object.
What is that?
They must be studied with a view to the good and not after the fashion of the empirics or even of the Pythagoreans.
There is a perfection which all knowledge ought to reach, and which our
pupils ought also to attain, and not to fall short of, as I was saying
that they did in astronomy. 531For in the science of harmony, as you probably
know, the same thing happens. The teachers of harmony compare the sounds
and consonances which are heard only, and their labour, like that of the
astronomers, is in vain.
Yes, by heaven! he said; and ’tis as good as a play to hear them talking
about their condensed notes, as they call them; they put their ears close
alongside of the strings like persons catching a sound from their
neighbour’s wall5—one set of them declaring that they distinguish an
intermediate note and have found the least interval which should be the
unit of measurement; the others insisting that the two sounds have passed
into the same—either party setting Btheir ears before their
understanding.
You mean, I said, those gentlemen who tease and torture the strings and
rack them on the pegs of the instrument: I might carry on the metaphor and
speak after their manner of the blows which the plectrum gives, and make
accusations against the strings, both of backwardness and forwardness to
sound; but this would be tedious, and therefore I will only say that these
are not the men, and that I am referring to the Pythagoreans, of whom I
was just now proposing to enquire about harmony. For they too are in
error, like the Castronomers; they investigate the numbers of the harmonies
which are heard, but they never attain to problems—that is to say,
they never reach the natural harmonies of number, or reflect why some
numbers are harmonious and others not.
That, he said, is a thing of more than mortal knowledge.
A thing, I replied, which I would rather call useful; that is, if sought
after with a view to the beautiful and good; but if pursued in any other
spirit, useless.
Very true, he said.
All these studies must be correlated with one another.
Now, when all these studies reach the point of inter-communion Dand
connection with one another, and come to be considered in their mutual
affinities, then, I think, but not till then, will the pursuit of them
have a value for our objects; otherwise there is no profit in them.
I suspect so; but you are speaking, Socrates, of a vast work.
What do you mean? I said; the prelude or what? Do you not know that all
this is but the prelude to the actual strain which we have to learn? For
you surely would not Eregard the skilled mathematician as a dialectician?
Want of reasoning power in mathematicians.
Assuredly not, he said; I have hardly ever known a mathematician who was
capable of reasoning.
But do you imagine that men who are unable to give and take a reason will
have the knowledge which we require of them?
Neither can this be supposed.
532 Dialectic proceeds by reason only, without any help of sense.
And so, Glaucon, I said, we have at last arrived at the hymn of dialectic.
This is that strain which is of the intellect only, but which the faculty
of sight will nevertheless be found to imitate; for sight, as you may
remember, was imagined by us after a while to behold the real animals and
stars, and last of all the sun himself. And so with dialectic; when a
person starts on the discovery of the absolute by the light of reason
only, and without any assistance of sense, and perseveres Buntil by pure
intelligence he arrives at the perception of the absolute good, he at last
finds himself at the end of the intellectual world, as in the case of
sight at the end of the visible.
Exactly, he said.
Then this is the progress which you call dialectic?
True.
The gradual acquirement of dialectic by the pursuit of the arts anticipated in the allegory of the den.
But the release of the prisoners from chains, and their translation from
the shadows to the images and to the light, and the ascent from the
underground den to the sun, while in his presence they are vainly trying
to look on animals and plants and the light of the sun, but are able to
perceive Ceven with their weak eyes the images6 in the water (which are
divine), and are the shadows of true existence (not shadows of images cast
by a light of fire, which compared with the sun is only an image)—this
power of elevating the highest principle in the soul to the contemplation
of that which is best in existence, with which we may compare the raising
of that faculty which is the very light of the body to the sight of that
which is brightest in the material and visible world—this power is
given, as I was saying, by all that study and pursuit Dof the arts which
has been described.
I agree in what you are saying, he replied, which may be hard to believe,
yet, from another point of view, is harder still to deny. This, however,
is not a theme to be treated of in passing only, but will have to be
discussed again and again. And so, whether our conclusion be true or
false, let us assume all this, and proceed at once from the prelude or
preamble to the chief strain7, and describe that in like manner. Say, then, what is
the nature and what are the divisions of Edialectic, and what are the paths
which lead thither; for these paths will also lead to our final rest.
533 The nature of dialectic can only be revealed to those who have been students of the preliminary sciences,
Dear Glaucon, I said, you will not be able to follow me here, though I
would do my best, and you should behold not an image only but the absolute
truth, according to my notion. Whether what I told you would or would not
have been a reality I cannot venture to say; but you would have seen
something like reality; of that I am confident.
Doubtless, he replied.
But I must also remind you, that the power of dialectic alone can reveal
this, and only to one who is a disciple of the previous sciences.
Of that assertion you may be as confident as of the last.
B
And assuredly no one will argue that there is any other method of
comprehending by any regular process all true existence or of ascertaining
what each thing is in its own nature; for the arts in general are
concerned with the desires or opinions of men, or are cultivated with a
view to production and construction, or for the preservation of such
productions and constructions; and as to the mathematical sciences which,
as we were saying, have some apprehension of true being—geometry and
the like—they only dream about Cbeing, but never can they behold the
waking reality so long as they leave the hypotheses which they use
unexamined, and are unable to give an account of them. For when a man
knows not his own first principle, and when the conclusion and
intermediate steps are also constructed out of he knows not what, how can
he imagine that such a fabric of convention can ever become science?
Impossible, he said.
which are her handmaids.
Then dialectic, and dialectic alone, goes directly to the first principle
and is the only science which does away with hypotheses in order to make
her ground secure; the eye of Dthe soul, which is literally buried in an
outlandish slough, is by her gentle aid lifted upwards; and she uses as
handmaids and helpers in the work of conversion, the sciences which we
have been discussing. Custom terms them sciences, but they ought to have
some other name, implying greater clearness than opinion and less
clearness than science: and this, in our previous sketch, was called
understanding. But why Eshould we dispute about names when we have
realities of such importance to consider?
Why indeed, he said, when any name will do which expresses the thought of
the mind with clearness?
Two divisions of the mind, intellect and opinion, each having two subdivisions.
At any rate, we are satisfied, as before, to have four divisions; two for
intellect and two for opinion, and to call the first division science, the
second understanding, the third belief, and the fourth perception of
shadows, opinion 534 being concerned with becoming, and intellect with being;
and so to make a proportion:—
As being is to becoming, so is pure intellect to opinion.
And as intellect
is to opinion, so is science to belief, and understanding to the
perception of shadows.
But let us defer the further correlation and subdivision of the subjects
of opinion and of intellect, for it will be a long enquiry, many times
longer than this has been.
B
As far as I understand, he said, I agree.
And do you also agree, I said, in describing the dialectician as one who
attains a conception of the essence of each thing? And he who does not
possess and is therefore unable to impart this conception, in whatever
degree he fails, may in that degree also be said to fail in intelligence?
Will you admit so much?
Yes, he said; how can I deny it?
No truth which does not rest on the idea of good
And you would say the same of the conception of the good? Until the person
is able to abstract and define rationally the Cidea of good, and unless he
can run the gauntlet of all objections, and is ready to disprove them, not
by appeals to opinion, but to absolute truth, never faltering at any step
of the argument—unless he can do all this, you would say that he
knows neither the idea of good nor any other good; he apprehends only a
shadow, if anything at all, which is given by opinion and not by science;—dreaming
and slumbering in this life, before he is well awake here, he Darrives at
the world below, and has his final quietus.
In all that I should most certainly agree with you.
And surely you would not have the children of your ideal State, whom you
are nurturing and educating—if the ideal ever becomes a reality—you
would not allow the future rulers to be like posts8, having no reason in them,
and yet to be set in authority over the highest matters?
Certainly not.
Then you will make a law that they shall have such an education as will
enable them to attain the greatest skill in asking and answering
questions?
E
Yes, he said, you and I together will make it.
ought to have a high place.
Dialectic, then, as you will agree, is the coping-stone of the sciences,
and is set over them; no other science can be 535placed higher—the
nature of knowledge can no further go?
I agree, he said.
But to whom we are to assign these studies, and in what way they are to be
assigned, are questions which remain to be considered.
Yes, clearly.
You remember, I said, how the rulers were chosen before?
Certainly, he said.
The same natures must still be chosen, and the preference again given to
the surest and the bravest, and, if possible, Bto the fairest; and, having
noble and generous tempers, they should also have the natural gifts which
will facilitate their education.
And what are these?
The natural gifts which are required in the dialectician: a towardly understanding; a good memory; strength of character;
Such gifts as keenness and ready powers of acquisition; for the mind more
often faints from the severity of study than from the severity of
gymnastics: the toil is more entirely the mind’s own, and is not shared
with the body.
Very true, he replied.
C
Further, he of whom we are in search should have a good memory, and be an
unwearied solid man who is a lover of labour in any line; or he will never
be able to endure the great amount of bodily exercise and to go through
all the intellectual discipline and study which we require of him.
Certainly, he said; he must have natural gifts.
The mistake at present is, that those who study philosophy have no
vocation, and this, as I was before saying, is the reason why she has
fallen into disrepute: her true sons should take her by the hand and not
bastards.
What do you mean?
D industry;
In the first place, her votary should not have a lame or halting industry—I
mean, that he should not be half industrious and half idle: as, for
example, when a man is a lover of gymnastic and hunting, and all other
bodily exercises, but a hater rather than a lover of the labour of
learning or listening or enquiring. Or the occupation to which he devotes
himself may be of an opposite kind, and he may have the other sort of
lameness.
Certainly, he said.
love of truth;
And as to truth, I said, is not a soul equally to be deemed Ehalt and lame
which hates voluntary falsehood and is extremely indignant at herself and
others when they tell lies, but is patient of involuntary falsehood, and
does not mind wallowing like a swinish beast in the mire of ignorance, and
has no shame at being detected?
To be sure.
536 the moral virtues.
And, again, in respect of temperance, courage, magnificence, and every
other virtue, should we not carefully distinguish between the true son and
the bastard? for where there is no discernment of such qualities states
and individuals unconsciously err; and the state makes a ruler, and the
individual a friend, of one who, being defective in some part of virtue,
is in a figure lame or a bastard.
That is very true, he said.
All these things, then, will have to be carefully considered Bby us; and if
only those whom we introduce to this vast system of education and training
are sound in body and mind, justice herself will have nothing to say
against us, and we shall be the saviours of the constitution and of the
State; but, if our pupils are men of another stamp, the reverse will
happen, and we shall pour a still greater flood of ridicule on philosophy
than she has to endure at present.
That would not be creditable.
Socrates plays a little with himself and his subject.
Certainly not, I said; and yet perhaps, in thus turning jest into earnest
I am equally ridiculous.
In what respect?
C
I had forgotten, I said, that we were not serious, and spoke with too much
excitement. For when I saw philosophy so undeservedly trampled under foot
of men I could not help feeling a sort of indignation at the authors of
her disgrace: and my anger made me too vehement.
Indeed! I was listening, and did not think so.
For the study of dialectic the young must be selected.
But I, who am the speaker, felt that I was. And now let me remind you
that, although in our former selection we Dchose old men, we must not do so
in this. Solon was under a delusion when he said that a man when he grows
old may learn many things—for he can no more learn much than he can
run much; youth is the time for any extraordinary toil.
Of course.
The preliminary studies should be commenced in childhood, but never forced.
And, therefore, calculation and geometry and all the other elements of
instruction, which are a preparation for dialectic, should be presented to
the mind in childhood; not, however, under any notion of forcing our
system of education.
Why not?
E
Because a freeman ought not to be a slave in the acquisition of knowledge
of any kind. Bodily exercise, when compulsory, does no harm to the body;
but knowledge which is acquired under compulsion obtains no hold on the
mind.
Very true.
Then, my good friend, I said, do not use compulsion, but 537let early
education be a sort of amusement; you will then be better able to find out
the natural bent.
That is a very rational notion, he said.
Do you remember that the children, too, were to be taken to see the battle
on horseback; and that if there were no danger they were to be brought
close up and, like young hounds, have a taste of blood given them?
Yes, I remember.
The same practice may be followed, I said, in all these things—labours,
lessons, dangers—and he who is most at home in all of them ought to
be enrolled in a select number.
B
At what age?
The necessary gymnastics must be completed first.
At the age when the necessary gymnastics are over: the period whether of
two or three years which passes in this sort of training is useless for
any other purpose; for sleep and exercise are unpropitious to learning;
and the trial of who is first in gymnastic exercises is one of the most
important tests to which our youth are subjected.
Certainly, he replied.
At twenty years of age the disciples will begin to be taught the correlation of the sciences.
After that time those who are selected from the class of twenty years old
will be promoted to higher honour, and the Csciences which they learned
without any order in their early education will now be brought together,
and they will be able to see the natural relationship of them to one
another and to true being.
Yes, he said, that is the only kind of knowledge which takes lasting root.
Yes, I said; and the capacity for such knowledge is the great criterion of
dialectical talent: the comprehensive mind is always the dialectical.
I agree with you, he said.
At thirty the most promising will be placed in a select class.
These, I said, are the points which you must consider; Dand those who have
most of this comprehension, and who are most steadfast in their learning,
and in their military and other appointed duties, when they have arrived
at the age of thirty have to be chosen by you out of the select class, and
elevated to higher honour; and you will have to prove them by the help of
dialectic, in order to learn which of them is able to give up the use of
sight and the other senses, and in company with truth to attain absolute
being: And here, my friend, great caution is required.
Why great caution?
E The growth of scepticism
Do you not remark, I said, how great is the evil which dialectic has
introduced?
What evil? he said.
The students of the art are filled with lawlessness.
Quite true, he said.
Do you think that there is anything so very unnatural or inexcusable in
their case? or will you make allowance for them?
In what way make allowance?
in the minds of the young illustrated by the case of a supposititious son,
I want you, I said, by way of parallel, to imagine a supposititious son
who is brought up in great wealth; he 538is one of a great and numerous
family, and has many flatterers. When he grows up to manhood, he learns
that his alleged are not his real parents; but who the real are he is
unable to discover. Can you guess how he will be likely to behave towards
his flatterers and his supposed parents, first of all during the period
when he is ignorant of the false relation, and then again when he knows?
Or shall I guess for you?
If you please.
who ceases to honour his father when he discovers that he is not his father.
Then I should say, that while he is ignorant of the truth Bhe will be
likely to honour his father and his mother and his supposed relations more
than the flatterers; he will be less inclined to neglect them when in
need, or to do or say anything against them; and he will be less willing
to disobey them in any important matter.
He will.
But when he has made the discovery, I should imagine that he would
diminish his honour and regard for them, and would become more devoted to
the flatterers; their influence over him would greatly increase; he would
now live after Ctheir ways, and openly associate with them, and, unless he
were of an unusually good disposition, he would trouble himself no more
about his supposed parents or other relations.
Well, all that is very probable. But how is the image applicable to the
disciples of philosophy?
In this way: you know that there are certain principles about justice and
honour, which were taught us in childhood, and under their parental
authority we have been brought up, obeying and honouring them.
That is true.
D
There are also opposite maxims and habits of pleasure which flatter and
attract the soul, but do not influence those of us who have any sense of
right, and they continue to obey and honour the maxims of their fathers.
True.
So men who begin to analyse the first principles of morality cease to respect them.
Now, when a man is in this state, and the questioning spirit asks what is
fair or honourable, and he answers as the legislator has taught him, and
then arguments many and diverse refute his words, until he is driven into
believing that nothing is honourable any more than dishonourable, or Ejust
and good any more than the reverse, and so of all the notions which he
most valued, do you think that he will still honour and obey them as
before?
Impossible.
And when he ceases to think them honourable and natural 539as heretofore, and
he fails to discover the true, can he be expected to pursue any life other
than that which flatters his desires?
He cannot.
And from being a keeper of the law he is converted into a breaker of it?
Unquestionably.
Now all this is very natural in students of philosophy such as I have
described, and also, as I was just now saying, most excusable.
Yes, he said; and, I may add, pitiable.
Therefore, that your feelings may not be moved to pity about our citizens
who are now thirty years of age, every care must be taken in introducing
them to dialectic.
Certainly.
B Young men are fond of pulling truth to pieces and thus bring disgrace upon themselves and upon philosophy.
There is a danger lest they should taste the dear delight too early; for
youngsters, as you may have observed, when they first get the taste in
their mouths, argue for amusement, and are always contradicting and
refuting others in imitation of those who refute them; like puppy-dogs,
they rejoice in pulling and tearing at all who come near them.
Yes, he said, there is nothing which they like better.
And when they have made many conquests and received Cdefeats at the hands
of many, they violently and speedily get into a way of not believing
anything which they believed before, and hence, not only they, but
philosophy and all that relates to it is apt to have a bad name with the
rest of the world.
Too true, he said.
The dialectician and the eristic.
But when a man begins to get older, he will no longer be guilty of such
insanity; he will imitate the dialectician who is seeking for truth, and
not the eristic, who is contradicting for the sake of amusement; and the
greater moderation of his Dcharacter will increase instead of diminishing
the honour of the pursuit.
Very true, he said.
And did we not make special provision for this, when we said that the
disciples of philosophy were to be orderly and steadfast, not, as now, any
chance aspirant or intruder?
Very true.
Suppose, I said, the study of philosophy to take the place of gymnastics
and to be continued diligently and earnestly and exclusively for twice the
number of years which were passed in bodily exercise—will that be
enough?
E
Would you say six or four years? he asked.
The study of philosophy to continue for five years; 30–35.
Say five years, I replied; at the end of the time they must be sent down
again into the den and compelled to hold any military or other office
which young men are qualified to hold: in this way they will get their
experience of life, and there will be an opportunity of trying whether,
when they are drawn all manner of ways by temptation, they will stand firm
or flinch.
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And how long is this stage of their lives to last?
During fifteen years, 35–50, they are to hold office.
Fifteen years, I answered; and when they have reached fifty years of age,
then let those who still survive and have distinguished themselves in
every action of their lives and in every branch of knowledge come at last
to their consummation: the time has now arrived at which they must raise
the eye of the soul to the universal light which lightens all things, and
behold the absolute good; for that is the pattern according to which they
are to order the State and the Blives of individuals, and the remainder of
their own lives also; making philosophy their chief pursuit, At the end of that time they are to live chiefly in the contemplation of the good, but occasionally to return to politics.but, when
their turn comes, toiling also at politics and ruling for the public good,
not as though they were performing some heroic action, but simply as a
matter of duty; and when they have brought up in each generation others
like themselves and left them in their place to be governors of the State,
then they will depart to the Islands of the Blest and dwell there; and the
city will give them public memorials and sacrifices Cand honour them, if
the Pythian oracle consent, as demigods, but if not, as in any case
blessed and divine.
You are a sculptor, Socrates, and have made statues of our governors
faultless in beauty.
Yes, I said, Glaucon, and of our governesses too; for you must not suppose
that what I have been saying applies to men only and not to women as far
as their natures can go.
There you are right, he said, since we have made them to share in all
things like the men.
D
Well, I said, and you would agree (would you not?) that what has been said
about the State and the government is not a mere dream, and although
difficult not impossible, but only possible in the way which has been
supposed; that is to say, when the true philosopher kings are born in a
State, one or more of them, despising the honours of this present world
which they deem mean and worthless, esteeming above all things right and
the honour Ethat springs from right, and regarding justice as the greatest
and most necessary of all things, whose ministers they are, and whose
principles will be exalted by them when they set in order their own city?
How will they proceed?
Practical measures for the speedy foundation of the State.
They will begin by sending out into the country all the 541inhabitants of the
city who are more than ten years old, and will take possession of their
children, who will be unaffected by the habits of their parents; these
they will train in their own habits and laws, I mean in the laws which we
have given them: and in this way the State and constitution of which we
were speaking will soonest and most easily attain happiness, and the
nation which has such a constitution will gain most.
Yes, that will be the best way. And I think, Socrates, Bthat you have very
well described how, if ever, such a constitution might come into being.
Enough then of the perfect State, and of the man who bears its image—there
is no difficulty in seeing how we shall describe him.
There is no difficulty, he replied; and I agree with you in thinking that
nothing more need be said.
Steph.
543 Republic VIII.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
Recapitulation of Book V.
AND so, Glaucon, we have arrived at the conclusion that in the perfect
State wives and children are to be in common; and that all education and
the pursuits of war and peace are also to be common, and the best
philosophers and the bravest warriors are to be their kings?
That, replied Glaucon, has been acknowledged.
B
Yes, I said; and we have further acknowledged that the governors, when
appointed themselves, will take their soldiers and place them in houses
such as we were describing, which are common to all, and contain nothing
private, or individual; and about their property, you remember what we
agreed?
Yes, I remember that no one was to have any of the ordinary possessions of
mankind; they were to be warrior Cathletes and guardians, receiving from
the other citizens, in lieu of annual payment, only their maintenance, and
they were to take care of themselves and of the whole State.
True, I said; and now that this division of our task is concluded, let us
find the point at which we digressed, that we may return into the old
path.
Return to the end of Book IV.
There is no difficulty in returning; you implied, then as now, that you
had finished the description of the State: you said that such a State was
good, and that the man was good Dwho answered to it, although, as now
appears, you had more 544excellent things to relate both of State and man.
And you said further, that if this was the true form, then the others were
false; and of the false forms, you said, as I remember, that there were
four principal ones, and that their defects, and the defects of the
individuals corresponding to them, were worth examining. When we had seen
all the individuals, and finally agreed as to who was the best and who was
the worst of them, we were to consider whether the best was not also the
happiest, and the worst the most miserable. I asked you what were the four
forms of government of which Byou spoke, and then Polemarchus and
Adeimantus put in their word; and you began again, and have found your way
to the point at which we have now arrived.
Your recollection, I said, is most exact.
Then, like a wrestler, he replied, you must put yourself again in the same
position; and let me ask the same questions, and do you give me the same
answer which you were about to give me then.
Yes, if I can, I will, I said.
I shall particularly wish to hear what were the four constitutions of
which you were speaking.
C Four imperfect constitutions, the Cretan or Spartan, Oligarchy, Democracy, Tyranny.
That question, I said, is easily answered: the four governments of which I
spoke, so far as they have distinct names, are, first, those of Crete and
Sparta, which are generally applauded; what is termed oligarchy comes
next; this is not equally approved, and is a form of government which
teems with evils: thirdly, democracy, which naturally follows oligarchy,
although very different: and lastly comes tyranny, great and famous, which
differs from them all, and is the fourth and worst disorder of a State. I
do not know, do you? of any other constitution which can be said to have a
distinct character. D There are lordships and principalities which are
bought and sold, and some other intermediate forms of government. But
these are nondescripts and may be found equally among Hellenes and among
barbarians.
Yes, he replied, we certainly hear of many curious forms of government
which exist among them.
States are like men, because they are made up of men.
Do you know, I said, that governments vary as the dispositions of men
vary, and that there must be as many of the one as there are of the other?
For we cannot suppose that States are made of ‘oak and rock,’ and not out
of the human natures which are in them, and which in a figure Eturn the
scale and draw other things after them?
Yes, he said, the States are as the men are; they grow out of human
characters.
Then if the constitutions of States are five, the dispositions of
individual minds will also be five?
Certainly.
Him who answers to aristocracy, and whom we rightly 545call just and good, we
have already described.
We have.
Then let us now proceed to describe the inferior sort of natures, being
the contentious and ambitious, who answer to the Spartan polity; also the
oligarchical, democratical, and tyrannical. Let us place the most just by
the side of the most unjust, and when we see them we shall be able to
compare the relative happiness or unhappiness of him who leads a life of
pure justice or pure injustice. The enquiry will then be completed. And we
shall know whether we ought to pursue injustice, as Thrasymachus advises,
or Bin accordance with the conclusions of the argument to prefer justice.
Certainly, he replied, we must do as you say.
The State and the individual.
Shall we follow our old plan, which we adopted with a view to clearness,
of taking the State first and then proceeding to the individual, and begin
with the government of honour?—I know of no name for such a
government other than timocracy, or perhaps timarchy. We will compare with
this the like character in the individual; and, after that, Cconsider
oligarchy and the oligarchical man; and then again we will turn our
attention to democracy and the democratical man; and lastly, we will go
and view the city of tyranny, and once more take a look into the tyrant’s
soul, and try to arrive at a satisfactory decision.
That way of viewing and judging of the matter will be very suitable.
How timocracy arises out of aristocracy.
First, then, I said, let us enquire how timocracy (the government of
honour) arises out of aristocracy (the government Dof the best). Clearly,
all political changes originate in divisions of the actual governing
power; a government which is united, however small, cannot be moved.
Very true, he said.
In what way, then, will our city be moved, and in what manner will the two
classes of auxiliaries and rulers disagree among themselves or with one
another? Shall we, after the manner of Homer, pray the Muses to tell us
‘how discord Efirst arose’? Shall we imagine them in solemn mockery, to
play and jest with us as if we were children, and to address us in a lofty
tragic vein, making believe to be in earnest?
How would they address us?
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After this manner:—A city which is thus constituted can hardly be
shaken; but, seeing that everything which has a beginning has also an end,
even a constitution such as yours will not last for ever, but will in time
be dissolved. And this is the dissolution:—In plants that grow in
the earth, as well as in animals that move on the earth’s surface,
fertility and sterility of soul and body occur when the circumferences of
the circles of each are completed, which in short-lived existences pass
over a short space, and in long-lived ones over a long space. The intelligence
which is alloyed with sense will not know how to regulate births and
deaths in accordance with the number which controls them.But to the
knowledge of human fecundity and sterility all the wisdom and education of
your rulers will not attain; Bthe laws which regulate them will not be
discovered by an intelligence which is alloyed with sense, but will escape
them, and they will bring children into the world when they ought not. Now
that which is of divine birth has a period which is contained in a perfect
number,1 but the period of human birth is comprehended in a number in
which first increments by involution and evolution [or squared and cubed]
obtaining three intervals and four terms of like and unlike, waxing and
waning numbers, make all the terms Ccommensurable and agreeable to one
another.2 The base of these (3)
with a third added (4) when combined with five (20) and raised to the
third power furnishes two harmonies; the first a square which is a hundred
times as great (400 = 4 × 100),3 and the other a figure having one side equal to the
former, but oblong,4 consisting of a hundred numbers squared upon rational
diameters of a square (i.e. omitting fractions), the side of which is five
(7 × 7 = 49 × 100 = 4900), each of them being less by one (than the
perfect square which includes the fractions, sc. 50) or less by5 two perfect
squares of irrational diameters (of a square the side of which is five =
50 + 50 = 100); and a hundred cubes of three (27 × 100 = 2700 + 4900 + 400
= 8000). Now this number represents a geometrical figure which has control
over Dthe good and evil of births. For when your guardians are ignorant of
the law of births, and unite bride and bridegroom out of season, the
children will not be goodly or fortunate. And though only the best of them
will be appointed by their predecessors, still they will be unworthy to
hold their fathers’ places, and when they come into power as guardians,
they will soon be found to fail in taking care of us, the Muses, first by
under-valuing music; which neglect will soon extend to gymnastic; and
hence the young men of your State will be less cultivated. In the
succeeding generation rulers will be appointed who have lost the guardian
power of testing the metal of your Edifferent races, which, like Hesiod’s,
are of gold and silver 547and brass and iron. And so iron will be mingled
with silver, and brass with gold, and hence there will arise dissimilarity
and inequality and irregularity, which always and in all places are causes
of hatred and war. This the Muses affirm to be the stock from which
discord has sprung, wherever arising; and this is their answer to us.
Yes, and we may assume that they answer truly.
Why, yes, I said, of course they answer truly; how can the Muses speak
falsely?
B
And what do the Muses say next?
Then discord arose and individual took the place of common property.
When discord arose, then the two races were drawn different ways: the iron
and brass fell to acquiring money and land and houses and gold and silver;
but the gold and silver races, not wanting money but having the true
riches in their own nature, inclined towards virtue and the ancient order
of things. There was a battle between them, and at last they agreed to
distribute their land and houses among Cindividual owners; and they
enslaved their friends and maintainers, whom they had formerly protected
in the condition of freemen, and made of them subjects and servants; and
they themselves were engaged in war and in keeping a watch against them.
I believe that you have rightly conceived the origin of the change.
And the new government which thus arises will be of a form intermediate
between oligarchy and aristocracy?
Very true.
Such will be the change, and after the change has been made, Dhow will they
proceed? Clearly, the new State, being in a mean between oligarchy and the
perfect State, will partly follow one and partly the other, and will also
have some peculiarities.
True, he said.
In the honour given to rulers, in the abstinence of the warrior class from
agriculture, handicrafts, and trade in general, in the institution of
common meals, and in the attention paid to gymnastics and military
training—in all these respects this State will resemble the former.
True.
E Timocracy will retain the military and reject the philosophical character of the perfect State.
But in the fear of admitting philosophers to power, because they are no
longer to be had simple and earnest, but are made up of mixed elements;
and in turning from them to passionate and less complex characters, who
are by nature 548fitted for war rather than peace; and in the value set by
them upon military stratagems and contrivances, and in the waging of
everlasting wars—this State will be for the most part peculiar.
Yes.
The soldier class miserly and covetous.
Yes, I said; and men of this stamp will be covetous of money, like those
who live in oligarchies; they will have, a fierce secret longing after
gold and silver, which they will hoard in dark places, having magazines
and treasuries of their own for the deposit and concealment of them; also
castles which are just nests for their eggs, and in which they Bwill spend
large sums on their wives, or on any others whom they please.
That is most true, he said.
And they are miserly because they have no means of openly acquiring the
money which they prize; they will spend that which is another man’s on the
gratification of their desires, stealing their pleasures and running away
like children from the law, their father: they have been schooled not by
gentle influences but by force, for they have neglected her who is the
true Muse, the companion of reason and Cphilosophy, and have honoured
gymnastic more than music.
Undoubtedly, he said, the form of government which you describe is a
mixture of good and evil.
The spirit of ambition predominates in such States.
Why, there is a mixture, I said; but one thing, and one thing only, is
predominantly seen,—the spirit of contention and ambition; and these
are due to the prevalence of the passionate or spirited element.
Assuredly, he said.
Such is the origin and such the character of this State, which has been
described in outline only; the more perfect Dexecution was not required,
for a sketch is enough to show the type of the most perfectly just and
most perfectly unjust; and to go through all the States and all the
characters of men, omitting none of them, would be an interminable labour.
Very true, he replied.
SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS.
The timocratic
man, uncultured, but fond of culture, ambitious, contentious, rough with
slaves, and courteous to freemen; a soldier, athlete, hunter; a
despiser of riches while young, fond of them when he grows old.
Now what man answers to this form of government—how did he come into
being, and what is he like?
I think, said Adeimantus, that in the spirit of contention which
characterises him, he is not unlike our friend Glaucon.
E
Perhaps, I said, he may be like him in that one point; but there are other
respects in which he is very different.
In what respects?
He should have more of self-assertion and be less cultivated, and yet a
friend of culture; and he should be a good 549listener, but no speaker. Such
a person is apt to be rough with slaves, unlike the educated man, who is
too proud for that; and he will also be courteous to freemen, and
remarkably obedient to authority; he is a lover of power and a lover of
honour; claiming to be a ruler, not because he is eloquent, or on any
ground of that sort, but because he is a soldier and has performed feats
of arms; he is also a lover of gymnastic exercises and of the chase.
Yes, that is the type of character which answers to timocracy.
Such an one will despise riches only when he is young; Bbut as he gets
older he will be more and more attracted to them, because he has a piece
of the avaricious nature in him, and is not single-minded towards virtue,
having lost his best guardian.
Who was that? said Adeimantus.
Philosophy, I said, tempered with music, who comes and takes up her abode
in a man, and is the only saviour of his virtue throughout life.
Good, he said.
Such, I said, is the timocratical youth, and he is like the timocratical
State.
C
Exactly.
His origin is as follows:—He is often the young son of a brave
father, who dwells in an ill-governed city, of which he declines the
honours and offices, and will not go to law, or exert himself in any way,
but is ready to waive his rights in order that he may escape trouble.
And how does the son come into being?
The timocratic man often originates in a reaction against his father’s character, which is encouraged by his mother,
The character of the son begins to develope when he hears his mother
complaining that her husband has no place in the government, of which the
consequence is that she has Dno precedence among other women. Further, when
she sees her husband not very eager about money, and instead of battling
and railing in the law courts or assembly, taking whatever happens to him
quietly; and when she observes that his thoughts always centre in himself,
while he treats her with very considerable indifference, she is annoyed,
and says to her son that his father is only half a man and far too
easy-going: adding all the other complaints about her own Eill-treatment
which women are so fond of rehearsing.
Yes, said Adeimantus, they give us plenty of them, and their complaints
are so like themselves.
and by the old servants of the household.
And you know, I said, that the old servants also, who are supposed to be
attached to the family, from time to time talk privately in the same
strain to the son; and if they see any one who owes money to his father,
or is wronging him in any way, and he fails to prosecute them, they tell
the youth that 550when he grows up he must retaliate upon people of this
sort, and be more of a man than his father. He has only to walk abroad and
he hears and sees the same sort of thing: those who do their own business
in the city are called simpletons, and held in no esteem, while the
busy-bodies are honoured and applauded. The result is that the young man,
hearing and seeing all these things—hearing, too, the words of his
father, and having a nearer view of his way of life, and making
comparisons of him and others—is drawn opposite ways: Bwhile his
father is watering and nourishing the rational principle in his soul, the
others are encouraging the passionate and appetitive; and he being not
originally of a bad nature, but having kept bad company, is at last
brought by their joint influence to a middle point, and gives up the
kingdom which is within him to the middle principle of contentiousness and
passion, and becomes arrogant and ambitious.
You seem to me to have described his origin perfectly.
C
Then we have now, I said, the second form of government and the second
type of character?
We have.
Next, let us look at another man who, as Aeschylus says,
‘Is set over against another State;’
or rather, as our plan requires, begin with the State.
By all means.
Oligarchy
I believe that oligarchy follows next in order.
And what manner of government do you term oligarchy?
A government resting on a valuation of property, in which D the rich have
power and the poor man is deprived of it.
I understand, he replied.
Ought I not to begin by describing how the change from timocracy to
oligarchy arises?
Yes.
Well, I said, no eyes are required in order to see how the one passes into
the other.
How?
arises out of increased accumulation and increased expenditure among the citizens.
The accumulation of gold in the treasury of private individuals is the
ruin of timocracy; they invent illegal modes of expenditure; for what do
they or their wives care about the law?
Yes, indeed.
E
And then one, seeing another grow rich, seeks to rival him, and thus the
great mass of the citizens become lovers of money.
Likely enough.
As riches increase, virtue decreases: the one is honoured, the other despised; the one cultivated, the other neglected.
And so they grow richer and richer, and the more they think of making a
fortune the less they think of virtue; for when riches and virtue are
placed together in the scales of the balance, the one always rises as the
other falls.
True.
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And in proportion as riches and rich men are honoured in the State, virtue
and the virtuous are dishonoured.
Clearly.
And what is honoured is cultivated, and that which has no honour is
neglected.
That is obvious.
And so at last, instead of loving contention and glory, men become lovers
of trade and money; they honour and look up to the rich man, and make a
ruler of him, and dishonour the poor man.
They do so.
In an oligarchy a money qualification is established.
They next proceed to make a law which fixes a sum Bof money as the
qualification of citizenship; the sum is higher in one place and lower in
another, as the oligarchy is more or less exclusive; and they allow no one
whose property falls below the amount fixed to have any share in the
government. These changes in the constitution they effect by force of
arms, if intimidation has not already done their work.
Very true.
And this, speaking generally, is the way in which oligarchy is
established.
Yes, he said; but what are the characteristics of this form Cof government,
and what are the defects of which we were speaking6?
A ruler is elected because he is rich: Who would elect a pilot on this principle?
First of all, I said, consider the nature of the qualification. Just think
what would happen if pilots were to be chosen according to their property,
and a poor man were refused permission to steer, even though he were a
better pilot?
You mean that they would shipwreck?
Yes; and is not this true of the government of anything7?
I should imagine so.
Except a city?—or would you include a city?
Nay, he said, the case of a city is the strongest of all, inasmuch as the
rule of a city is the greatest and most difficult of all.
D
This, then, will be the first great defect of oligarchy?
Clearly.
And here is another defect which is quite as bad.
What defect?
The extreme division of classes in such a State.
The inevitable division: such a State is not one, but two States, the one
of poor, the other of rich men; and they are living on the same spot and
always conspiring against one another.
That, surely, is at least as bad.
They dare not go to war.
Another discreditable feature is, that, for a like reason, they are
incapable of carrying on any war. Either they arm Ethe multitude, and then
they are more afraid of them than of the enemy; or, if they do not call
them out in the hour of battle, they are oligarchs indeed, few to fight as
they are few to rule. And at the same time their fondness for money makes
them unwilling to pay taxes.
How discreditable!
And, as we said before, under such a constitution the 552same persons have
too many callings—they are husbandmen, tradesmen, warriors, all in
one. Does that look well?
Anything but well.
There is another evil which is, perhaps, the greatest of all, and to which
this State first begins to be liable.
What evil?
The ruined man, who has no occupation, once a spendthrift, now a pauper, still exists in the State.
A man may sell all that he has, and another may acquire his property; yet
after the sale he may dwell in the city of which he is no longer a part,
being neither trader, nor artisan, nor horseman, nor hoplite, but only a
poor, helpless creature.
B
Yes, that is an evil which also first begins in this State.
The evil is certainly not prevented there; for oligarchies have both the
extremes of great wealth and utter poverty.
True.
But think again: In his wealthy days, while he was spending his money, was
a man of this sort a whit more good to the State for the purposes of
citizenship? Or did he only seem to be a member of the ruling body,
although in truth he was neither ruler nor subject, but just a
spendthrift?
C
As you say, he seemed to be a ruler, but was only a spendthrift.
May we not say that this is the drone in the house who is like the drone
in the honeycomb, and that the one is the plague of the city as the other
is of the hive?
Just so, Socrates.
And God has made the flying drones, Adeimantus, all without stings,
whereas of the walking drones he has made some without stings but others
have dreadful stings; of the stingless class are those who in their old
age end as paupers; Dof the stingers come all the criminal class, as they
are termed.
Most true, he said.
Where there are paupers, there are thieves
Clearly then, whenever you see paupers in a State, somewhere in that
neighbourhood there are hidden away thieves, and cut-purses and robbers of
temples, and all sorts of malefactors.
Clearly.
Well, I said, and in oligarchical States do you not find paupers?
Yes, he said; nearly everybody is a pauper who is not a ruler.
E and other criminals.
And may we be so bold as to affirm that there are also many criminals to
be found in them, rogues who have stings, and whom the authorities are
careful to restrain by force?
Certainly, we may be so bold.
The existence of such persons is to be attributed to want of education,
ill-training, and an evil constitution of the State?
True.
Such, then, is the form and such are the evils of oligarchy; and there may
be many other evils.
Very likely.
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Then oligarchy, or the form of government in which the rulers are elected
for their wealth, may now be dismissed. Let us next proceed to consider
the nature and origin of the individual who answers to this State.
By all means.
Does not the timocratical man change into the oligarchical on this wise?
How?
The ruin of the timocratical man gives birth to the oligarchical.
A time arrives when the representative of timocracy has a son: at first he
begins by emulating his father and walking in his footsteps, but presently
he sees him of a sudden Bfoundering against the State as upon a sunken
reef, and he and all that he has is lost; he may have been a general or
some other high officer who is brought to trial under a prejudice raised
by informers, and either put to death, or exiled, or deprived of the
privileges of a citizen, and all his property taken from him.
Nothing more likely.
His son begins life a ruined man and takes to money-making.
And the son has seen and known all this—he is a ruined man, and his
fear has taught him to knock ambition and Cpassion headforemost from his
bosom’s throne; humbled by poverty he takes to money-making and by mean
and miserly savings and hard work gets a fortune together. Is not such an
one likely to seat the concupiscent and covetous element on the vacant
throne and to suffer it to play the great king within him, girt with tiara
and chain and scimitar?
Most true, he replied.
D
And when he has made reason and spirit sit down on the ground obediently
on either side of their sovereign, and taught them to know their place, he
compels the one to think only of how lesser sums may be turned into larger
ones, and will not allow the other to worship and admire anything but
riches and rich men, or to be ambitious of anything so much as the
acquisition of wealth and the means of acquiring it.
Of all changes, he said, there is none so speedy or so sure as the
conversion of the ambitious youth into the avaricious one.
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And the avaricious, I said, is the oligarchical youth?
The oligarchical man and State resemble one another in their estimation of wealth: In their toiling and saving ways, in their want of cultivation.
Yes, he said; at any rate the individual out of whom he came is like the
State out of which oligarchy came.
Let us then consider whether there is any likeness between them.
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Very good.
First, then, they resemble one another in the value which they set upon
wealth?
Certainly.
Also in their penurious, laborious character; the individual only
satisfies his necessary appetites, and confines his expenditure to them;
his other desires he subdues, under the idea that they are unprofitable.
True.
He is a shabby fellow, who saves something out of everything and makes a
purse for himself; and this is the sort of Bman whom the vulgar applaud. Is
he not a true image of the State which he represents?
He appears to me to be so; at any rate money is highly valued by him as
well as by the State.
You see that he is not a man of cultivation, I said.
I imagine not, he said; had he been educated he would never have made a
blind god director of his chorus, or given him chief honour8.
Excellent! I said. Yet consider: Must we not further admit that owing to
this want of cultivation there will be Cfound in him dronelike desires as
of pauper and rogue, which are forcibly kept down by his general habit of
life?
True.
Do you know where you will have to look if you want to discover his
rogueries?
Where must I look?
The oligarchical man keeps up a fair outside, but he has only an enforced virtue and will cheat when he can.
You should see him where he has some great opportunity of acting
dishonestly, as in the guardianship of an orphan.
Aye.
It will be clear enough then that in his ordinary dealings which give him
a reputation for honesty he coerces his bad Dpassions by an enforced
virtue; not making them see that they are wrong, or taming them by reason,
but by necessity and fear constraining them, and because he trembles for
his possessions.
To be sure.
Yes, indeed, my dear friend, but you will find that the natural desires of
the drone commonly exist in him all the same whenever he has to spend what
is not his own.
Yes, and they will be strong in him too.
The man, then, will be at war with himself; he will be two men, and not
one; but, in general, his better desires Ewill be found to prevail over his
inferior ones.
True.
For these reasons such an one will be more respectable than most people;
yet the true virtue of a unanimous and harmonious soul will flee far away
and never come near him.
I should expect so.
555 His meanness in a contest; he saves his money and loses the prize.
And surely, the miser individually will be an ignoble competitor in a
State for any prize of victory, or other object of honourable ambition; he
will not spend his money in the contest for glory; so afraid is he of
awakening his expensive appetites and inviting them to help and join in
the struggle; in true oligarchical fashion he fights with a small part
only of his resources, and the result commonly is that he loses the prize
and saves his money.
Very true.
Can we any longer doubt, then, that the miser and money-maker Banswers to
the oligarchical State?
There can be no doubt.
Democracy arises out of the extravagance and indebtedness of men of family and position,
Next comes democracy; of this the origin and nature have still to be
considered by us; and then we will enquire into the ways of the democratic
man, and bring him up for judgment.
That, he said, is our method.
Well, I said, and how does the change from oligarchy into democracy arise?
Is it not on this wise?—The good at which such a State aims is to
become as rich as possible, a desire which is insatiable?
What then?
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The rulers, being aware that their power rests upon their wealth, refuse
to curtail by law the extravagance of the spendthrift youth because they
gain by their ruin; they take interest from them and buy up their estates
and thus increase their own wealth and importance?
To be sure.
There can be no doubt that the love of wealth and the spirit of moderation
cannot exist together in citizens of the same state to any considerable
extent; one or the other will Dbe disregarded.
That is tolerably clear.
And in oligarchical States, from the general spread of carelessness and
extravagance, men of good family have often been reduced to beggary?
Yes, often.
who remain in the city, and form a dangerous class ready to head a revolution.
And still they remain in the city; there they are, ready to sting and
fully armed, and some of them owe money, some have forfeited their
citizenship; a third class are in both predicaments; and they hate and
conspire against those who have got their property, and against everybody
else, and are Eeager for revolution.
That is true.
On the other hand, the men of business, stooping as they walk, and
pretending not even to see those whom they have already ruined, insert
their sting—that is, their money—into some one else who is not
on his guard against them, and recover the parent sum many times over
multiplied into a family of children: and so they make drone and pauper to
abound in the State.
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Yes, he said, there are plenty of them—that is certain.
Two remedies: (1) restrictions on the free use of property;
The evil blazes up like a fire; and they will not extinguish it, either by
restricting a man’s use of his own property, or by another remedy:
What other?
(2) contracts to be made at a man’s own risk.
One which is the next best, and has the advantage of compelling the
citizens to look to their characters:—Let Bthere be a general rule
that every one shall enter into voluntary contracts at his own risk, and
there will be less of this scandalous money-making, and the evils of which
we were speaking will be greatly lessened in the State.
Yes, they will be greatly lessened.
At present the governors, induced by the motives which I have named, treat
their subjects badly; while they and their adherents, especially the young
men of the governing class, are habituated to lead a life of luxury and
idleness Cboth of body and mind; they do nothing, and are incapable of
resisting either pleasure or pain.
Very true.
They themselves care only for making money, and are as indifferent as the
pauper to the cultivation of virtue.
Yes, quite as indifferent.
The subjects discover the weakness of their rulers.
Such is the state of affairs which prevails among them. And often rulers
and their subjects may come in one another’s way, whether on a journey or
on some other occasion of meeting, on a pilgrimage or a march, as
fellow-soldiers or Dfellow-sailors; aye, and they may observe the behaviour
of each other in the very moment of danger—for where danger is,
there is no fear that the poor will be despised by the rich—and very
likely the wiry sunburnt poor man may be placed in battle at the side of a
wealthy one who has never spoilt his complexion and has plenty of
superfluous flesh—when he sees such an one puffing and at his
wits’ end, how can he avoid drawing the conclusion that men like him are
only rich because no one has the courage to despoil them? And when they
meet in private will not people be Esaying to one another ‘Our warriors are
not good for much’?
Yes, he said, I am quite aware that this is their way of talking.
A slight cause, internal or external, may produce revolution.
And, as in a body which is diseased the addition of a touch from without
may bring on illness, and sometimes even when there is no external
provocation a commotion may arise within—in the same way wherever
there is weakness in the State there is also likely to be illness, of
which the occasion may be very slight, the one party introducing from
without their oligarchical, the other their democratical allies, and then
the State falls sick, and is at war with herself; and 557may be at times
distracted, even when there is no external cause.
Yes, surely.
Such is the origin and nature of democracy.
And then democracy comes into being after the poor have conquered their
opponents, slaughtering some and banishing some, while to the remainder
they give an equal share of freedom and power; and this is the form of
government in which the magistrates are commonly elected by lot.
Yes, he said, that is the nature of democracy, whether the revolution has
been effected by arms, or whether fear has caused the opposite party to
withdraw.
And now what is their manner of life, and what sort of Ba government have
they? for as the government is, such will be the man.
Clearly, he said.
Democracy allows a man to do as he likes, and therefore contains the greatest variety of characters and constitutions.
In the first place, are they not free; and is not the city full of freedom
and frankness—a man may say and do what he likes?
’Tis said so, he replied.
And where freedom is, the individual is clearly able to order for himself
his own life as he pleases?
Clearly.
C
Then in this kind of State there will be the greatest variety of human
natures?
There will.
This, then, seems likely to be the fairest of States, being like an
embroidered robe which is spangled with every sort of flower9. And just as
women and children think a variety of colours to be of all things most
charming, so there are many men to whom this State, which is spangled with
the manners and characters of mankind, will appear to be the fairest of
States.
Yes.
D
Yes, my good Sir, and there will be no better in which to look for a
government.
Why?
Because of the liberty which reigns there—they have a complete
assortment of constitutions; and he who has a mind to establish a State,
as we have been doing, must go to a democracy as he would to a bazaar at
which they sell them, and pick out the one that suits him; then, when he
has made his choice, he may found his State.
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He will be sure to have patterns enough.
The law falls into abeyance.
And there being no necessity, I said, for you to govern in this State,
even if you have the capacity, or to be governed, unless you like, or go
to war when the rest go to war, or to be at peace when others are at
peace, unless you are so disposed—there being no necessity also,
because some law forbids you to hold office or be a dicast, that you
should not hold office or be a dicast, if you have a fancy—is not
558this a way of life which for the moment is supremely delightful?
For the moment, yes.
And is not their humanity to the condemned10 in some cases quite charming?
Have you not observed how, in a democracy, many persons, although they
have been sentenced to death or exile, just stay where they are and walk
about the world—the gentleman parades like a hero, and nobody sees
or cares?
Yes, he replied, many and many a one.
B All principles of order and good taste are trampled under foot by democracy.
See too, I said, the forgiving spirit of democracy, and the ‘don’t care’
about trifles, and the disregard which she shows of all the fine
principles which we solemnly laid down at the foundation of the city—as
when we said that, except in the case of some rarely gifted nature, there
never will be a good man who has not from his childhood been used to play
amid things of beauty and make of them a joy and a study—how grandly
does she trample all these fine notions of ours under her feet, never
giving a thought to the pursuits which make a statesman, and promoting to
honour any one who professes Cto be the people’s friend.
Yes, she is of a noble spirit.
These and other kindred characteristics are proper to democracy, which is
a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and
dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike.
We know her well.
Consider now, I said, what manner of man the individual is, or rather
consider, as in the case of the State, how he comes into being.
Very good, he said.
Is not this the way—he is the son of the miserly and oligarchical
Dfather who has trained him in his own habits?
Exactly.
Which are the necessary and which the unnecessary pleasures?
And, like his father, he keeps under by force the pleasures which are of
the spending and not of the getting sort, being those which are called
unnecessary?
Obviously.
Would you like, for the sake of clearness, to distinguish which are the
necessary and which are the unnecessary pleasures?
I should.
Necessary desires cannot be got rid of,
Are not necessary pleasures those of which we cannot get Erid, and of which
the satisfaction is a benefit to us? And they are rightly called so,
because we are framed by nature to desire both what is beneficial and what
is necessary, and cannot help it.
True.
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We are not wrong therefore in calling them necessary?
We are not.
And the desires of which a man may get rid, if he takes pains from his
youth upwards—of which the presence, moreover, does no good, and in
some cases the reverse of good—shall we not be right in saying that
all these are unnecessary?
Yes, certainly.
Suppose we select an example of either kind, in order that we may have a
general notion of them?
Very good.
Will not the desire of eating, that is, of simple food and condiments, in
so far as they are required for health and Bstrength, be of the necessary
class?
That is what I should suppose.
The pleasure of eating is necessary in two ways; it does us good and it is
essential to the continuance of life?
Yes.
but may be indulged to excess.
But the condiments are only necessary in so far as they are good for
health?
Certainly.
Illustration taken from eating and drinking.
And the desire which goes beyond this, of more delicate food, or other
luxuries, which might generally be got rid of, if controlled and trained
in youth, and is hurtful to the body, and hurtful to the soul in the
pursuit of wisdom and virtue, may be Crightly called unnecessary?
Very true.
May we not say that these desires spend, and that the others make money
because they conduce to production?
Certainly.
And of the pleasures of love, and all other pleasures, the same holds
good?
True.
And the drone of whom we spoke was he who was surfeited in pleasures and
desires of this sort, and was the slave Dof the unnecessary desires,
whereas he who was subject to the necessary only was miserly and
oligarchical?
Very true.
Again, let us see how the democratical man grows out of the oligarchical:
the following, as I suspect, is commonly the process.
What is the process?
The young oligarch is led away by his wild associates.
When a young man who has been brought up as we were just now describing,
in a vulgar and miserly way, has tasted drones’ honey and has come to
associate with fierce and crafty natures who are able to provide for him
all sorts of refinements and varieties of pleasure—then, as you may
Eimagine, the change will begin of the oligarchical principle within him
into the democratical?
Inevitably.
There are allies to either part of his nature.
And as in the city like was helping like, and the change was effected by
an alliance from without assisting one division of the citizens, so too
the young man is changed by a class of desires coming from without to
assist the desires within him, that which is akin and alike again helping
that which is akin and alike?
Certainly.
And if there be any ally which aids the oligarchical principle within him,
whether the influence of a father or of kindred, 560advising or rebuking him,
then there arises in his soul a faction and an opposite faction, and he
goes to war with himself.
It must be so.
And there are times when the democratical principle gives way to the
oligarchical, and some of his desires die, and others are banished; a
spirit of reverence enters into the young man’s soul and order is
restored.
Yes, he said, that sometimes happens.
And then, again, after the old desires have been driven out, Bfresh ones
spring up, which are akin to them, and because he their father does not
know how to educate them, wax fierce and numerous.
Yes, he said, that is apt to be the way.
They draw him to his old associates, and holding secret intercourse with
them, breed and multiply in him.
Very true.
At length they seize upon the citadel of the young man’s soul, which they
perceive to be void of all accomplishments and fair pursuits and true
words, which make their abode in the minds of men who are dear to the
gods, and are their best guardians and sentinels.
C
None better.
False and boastful conceits and phrases mount upwards and take their
place.
They are certain to do so.
The progress of the oligarchic young man told in an allegory.
And so the young man returns into the country of the lotus-eaters, and
takes up his dwelling there in the face of all men; and if any help be
sent by his friends to the oligarchical part of him, the aforesaid vain
conceits shut the gate of the king’s fastness; and they will neither allow
the embassy itself to enter, nor if private advisers offer the fatherly
counsel of the aged will they listen to them or receive them. DThere is a
battle and they gain the day, and then modesty, which they call silliness,
is ignominiously thrust into exile by them, and temperance, which they
nickname unmanliness, is trampled in the mire and cast forth; they
persuade men that moderation and orderly expenditure are vulgarity and
meanness, and so, by the help of a rabble of evil appetites, they drive
them beyond the border.
Yes, with a will.
And when they have emptied and swept clean the soul of Ehim who is now in
their power and who is being initiated by them in great mysteries, the
next thing is to bring back to their house insolence and anarchy and waste
and impudence in bright array having garlands on their heads, and a great
company with them, hymning their praises and calling 561them by sweet names;
insolence they term breeding, and anarchy liberty, and waste magnificence,
and impudence courage. And so the young man passes out of his original
nature, which was trained in the school of necessity, into the freedom and
libertinism of useless and unnecessary pleasures.
Yes, he said, the change in him is visible enough.
He becomes a rake; but he also sometimes stops short in his career and gives way to pleasures good and bad indifferently.
After this he lives on, spending his money and labour and time on
unnecessary pleasures quite as much as on necessary ones; but if he be
fortunate, and is not too much disordered in his wits, when years have
elapsed, and the heyday of Bpassion is over—supposing that he then
re-admits into the city some part of the exiled virtues, and does not
wholly give himself up to their successors—in that case he balances
his pleasures and lives in a sort of equilibrium, putting the government
of himself into the hands of the one which comes first and wins the turn;
and when he has had enough of that, then into the hands of another; he
despises none of them but encourages them all equally.
Very true, he said.
He rejects all advice,
Neither does he receive or let pass into the fortress any true word of
advice; if any one says to him that some Cpleasures are the satisfactions
of good and noble desires, and others of evil desires, and that he ought
to use and honour some and chastise and master the others—whenever
this is repeated to him he shakes his head and says that they are all
alike, and that one is as good as another.
Yes, he said; that is the way with him.
passing his life in the alternation from one extreme to another.
Yes, I said, he lives from day to day indulging the appetite of the hour;
and sometimes he is lapped in drink and strains of the flute; then he
becomes a water-drinker, and tries to get thin; Dthen he takes a turn at
gymnastics; sometimes idling and neglecting everything, then once more
living the life of a philosopher; often he is busy with politics, and
starts to his feet and says and does whatever comes into his head; and, if
he is emulous of any one who is a warrior, off he is in that direction, or
of men of business, once more in that. His life has neither law nor order;
and this distracted existence he terms joy and bliss and freedom; and so
he goes on.
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Yes, he replied, he is all liberty and equality.
He is ‘not one, but all mankind’s epitome.’
Yes, I said; his life is motley and manifold and an epitome of the lives
of many;—he answers to the State which we described as fair and
spangled. And many a man and many a woman will take him for their pattern,
and many a constitution and many an example of manners is contained in
him.
Just so.
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Let him then be set over against democracy; he may truly be called the
democratic man.
Let that be his place, he said.
Tyranny and the tyrant.
Last of all comes the most beautiful of all, man and State alike, tyranny
and the tyrant; these we have now to consider.
Quite true, he said.
Say then, my friend, In what manner does tyranny arise?—that it has
a democratic origin is evident.
Clearly.
And does not tyranny spring from democracy in the Bsame manner as democracy
from oligarchy—I mean, after a sort?
How?
The insatiable desire of wealth creates a demand for democracy, the insatiable desire of freedom creates a demand for tyranny.
The good which oligarchy proposed to itself and the means by which it was
maintained was excess of wealth—am I not right?
Yes.
And the insatiable desire of wealth and the neglect of all other things
for the sake of money-getting was also the ruin of oligarchy?
True.
And democracy has her own good, of which the insatiable desire brings her
to dissolution?
What good?
Freedom, I replied; which, as they tell you in a democracy, Cis the glory
of the State—and that therefore in a democracy alone will the
freeman of nature deign to dwell.
Yes; the saying is in every body’s mouth.
I was going to observe, that the insatiable desire of this and the neglect
of other things introduces the change in democracy, which occasions a
demand for tyranny.
How so?
When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil Dcup-bearers
presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of
freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful
draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they
are cursed oligarchs.
Yes, he replied, a very common occurrence.
Freedom in the end means anarchy.
Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who
hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like
rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own
heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in
Esuch a State, can liberty have any limit?
Certainly not.
By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by
getting among the animals and infecting them.
How do you mean?
I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his
sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he
having no respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his
freedom, and the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the
metic, and the 563stranger is quite as good as either.
Yes, he said, that is the way.
The inversion of all social relations.
And these are not the only evils, I said—there are several lesser
ones: In such a state of society the master fears and flatters his
scholars, and the scholars despise their masters and tutors; young and old
are all alike; and the young man is on a level with the old, and is ready
to compete with him in word or deed; and old men condescend to the young
and are full of pleasantry and gaiety; they are loth to be Bthought morose
and authoritative, and therefore they adopt the manners of the young.
Quite true, he said.
The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money,
whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must
I forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation
to each other.
C
Why not, as Aeschylus says, utter the word which rises to our lips?
Freedom among the animals.
That is what I am doing, I replied; and I must add that no one who does
not know would believe, how much greater is the liberty which the animals
who are under the dominion of man have in a democracy than in any other
State: for truly, the she-dogs, as the proverb says, are as good as their
she-mistresses, and the horses and asses have a way of marching along with
all the rights and dignities of freemen; and they will run at any body who
comes in their way if he does not leave the road clear for them: and all
things are Djust ready to burst with liberty.
When I take a country walk, he said, I often experience what you describe.
You and I have dreamed the same thing.
No law, no authority.
And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how sensitive the
citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority,
and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written
or unwritten; they will have Eno one over them.
Yes, he said, I know it too well.
Such, my friend, I said, is the fair and glorious beginning out of which
springs tyranny.
Glorious indeed, he said. But what is the next step?
The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; the same disease magnified
and intensified by liberty overmasters democracy—the truth being
that the excessive 564increase of anything often causes a reaction in the
opposite direction; and this is the case not only in the seasons and in
vegetable and animal life, but above all in forms of government.
True.
The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to
pass into excess of slavery.
Yes, the natural order.
And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated
form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty?
As we might expect.
The common evil of oligarchy and democracy is the class of idle spend-thrifts.
That, however, was not, as I believe, your question—you rather
desired to know what is that disorder which is Bgenerated alike in
oligarchy and democracy, and is the ruin of both?
Just so, he replied.
Well, I said, I meant to refer to the class of idle spendthrifts, of whom
the more courageous are the leaders and the more timid the followers, the
same whom we were comparing to drones, some stingless, and others having
stings.
A very just comparison.
Illustration.
These two classes are the plagues of every city in which they are
generated, being what phlegm and bile are to the body. CAnd the good
physician and lawgiver of the State ought, like the wise bee-master, to
keep them at a distance and prevent, if possible, their ever coming in;
and if they have anyhow found a way in, then he should have them and their
cells cut out as speedily as possible.
Yes, by all means, he said.
Altogether three classes in a democracy.
Then, in order that we may see clearly what we are doing, let us imagine
democracy to be divided, as indeed it is, into Dthree classes; for in the
first place freedom creates rather more drones in the democratic than
there were in the oligarchical State.
That is true.
And in the democracy they are certainly more intensified.
How so?
(1) The drones or spend-thrifts who are more numerous and active than in the oligarchy.
Because in the oligarchical State they are disqualified and driven from
office, and therefore they cannot train or gather strength; whereas in a
democracy they are almost the entire ruling power, and while the keener
sort speak and act, the rest keep buzzing about the bema and do Enot suffer
a word to be said on the other side; hence in democracies almost
everything is managed by the drones.
Very true, he said.
Then there is another class which is always being severed from the mass.
What is that?
(2) The orderly or wealthy class who are fed upon by the drones.
They are the orderly class, which in a nation of traders is sure to be the
richest.
Naturally so.
They are the most squeezable persons and yield the largest amount of honey
to the drones.
Why, he said, there is little to be squeezed out of people who have
little.
And this is called the wealthy class, and the drones feed upon them.
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That is pretty much the case, he said.
(3) The working class who also get a share.
The people are a third class, consisting of those who work with their own
hands; they are not politicians, and have not much to live upon. This,
when assembled, is the largest and most powerful class in a democracy.
True, he said; but then the multitude is seldom willing to congregate
unless they get a little honey.
And do they not share? I said. Do not their leaders deprive the rich of
their estates and distribute them among the people; at the same time
taking care to reserve the larger part for themselves?
B
Why, yes, he said, to that extent the people do share.
The well-to-do have to defend themselves against the people.
And the persons whose property is taken from them are compelled to defend
themselves before the people as they best can?
What else can they do?
And then, although they may have no desire of change, the others charge
them with plotting against the people and being friends of oligarchy?
True.
And the end is that when they see the people, not of their own accord, but
through ignorance, and because they are Cdeceived by informers, seeking to
do them wrong, then at last they are forced to become oligarchs in
reality; they do not wish to be, but the sting of the drones torments them
and breeds revolution in them.
That is exactly the truth.
Then come impeachments and judgments and trials of one another.
True.
The people have a protector who, when once he tastes blood, is converted into a tyrant.
The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse
into greatness.
Yes, that is their way.
D
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first
appears above ground he is a protector.
Yes, that is quite clear.
How then does a protector begin to change into a tyrant? Clearly when he
does what the man is said to do in the tale of the Arcadian temple of
Lycaean Zeus.
What tale?
The tale is that he who has tasted the entrails of a single human victim
minced up with the entrails of other victims is Edestined to become a wolf.
Did you never hear it?
Oh, yes.
And the protector of the people is like him; having a mob entirely at his
disposal, he is not restrained from shedding the blood of kinsmen; by the
favourite method of false accusation he brings them into court and murders
them, making the life of man to disappear, and with unholy tongue and lips
tasting the blood of his fellow citizens; some he kills and others he
banishes, at the same time hinting at the abolition of debts and partition
of lands: and after this, what 566will be his destiny? Must he not either
perish at the hands of his enemies, or from being a man become a wolf—that
is, a tyrant?
Inevitably.
This, I said, is he who begins to make a party against the rich?
The same.
After a time he is driven out, but comes back a full-blown tyrant.
After a while he is driven out, but comes back, in spite of his enemies, a
tyrant full grown.
That is clear.
B
And if they are unable to expel him, or to get him condemned to death by a
public accusation, they conspire to assassinate him.
Yes, he said, that is their usual way.
The body-guard.
Then comes the famous request for a body-guard, which is the device of all
those who have got thus far in their tyrannical career—‘Let not the
people’s friend,’ as they say, ‘be lost to them.’
Exactly.
The people readily assent; all their fears are for him—they have
none for themselves.
C
Very true.
And when a man who is wealthy and is also accused of being an enemy of the
people sees this, then, my friend, as the oracle said to Croesus,
‘By pebbly Hermus’ shore he flees and rests not, and is not ashamed to be
a coward11.’
And quite right too, said he, for if he were, he would never be ashamed
again.
But if he is caught he dies.
Of course.
D The protector standing up in the chariot of State.
And he, the protector of whom we spoke, is to be seen, not ‘larding the
plain’ with his bulk, but himself the overthrower of many, standing up in
the chariot of State with the reins in his hand, no longer protector, but
tyrant absolute.
No doubt, he said.
And now let us consider the happiness of the man, and also of the State in
which a creature like him is generated.
Yes, he said, let us consider that.
At first, in the early days of his power, he is full of smiles, and he
salutes every one whom he meets;—he to be called Ea tyrant, who is
making promises in public and also in private! liberating debtors, and
distributing land to the people and his followers, and wanting to be so
kind and good to every one!
Of course, he said.
He stirs up wars, and impoverishes his subjects by the imposition of taxes.
But when he has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and
there is nothing to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war
or other, in order that the people may require a leader.
To be sure.
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Has he not also another object, which is that they may be impoverished by
payment of taxes, and thus compelled to devote themselves to their daily
wants and therefore less likely to conspire against him?
Clearly.
And if any of them are suspected by him of having notions of freedom, and
of resistance to his authority, he will have a good pretext for destroying
them by placing them at the mercy of the enemy; and for all these reasons
the tyrant must be always getting up a war.
He must.
B
Now he begins to grow unpopular.
A necessary result.
Then some of those who joined in setting him up, and who are in power,
speak their minds to him and to one another, and the more courageous of
them cast in his teeth what is being done.
Yes, that may be expected.
He gets rid of his bravest and boldest followers.
And the tyrant, if he means to rule, must get rid of them; he cannot stop
while he has a friend or an enemy who is good for anything.
He cannot.
And therefore he must look about him and see who is Cvaliant, who is
high-minded, who is wise, who is wealthy; happy man, he is the enemy of
them all, and must seek occasion against them whether he will or no, until
he has made a purgation of the State.
Yes, he said, and a rare purgation.
His purgation of the State.
Yes, I said, not the sort of purgation which the physicians make of the
body; for they take away the worse and leave the better part, but he does
the reverse.
If he is to rule, I suppose that he cannot help himself.
D
What a blessed alternative, I said:—to be compelled to dwell only
with the many bad, and to be by them hated, or not to live at all!
Yes, that is the alternative.
And the more detestable his actions are to the citizens the more
satellites and the greater devotion in them will he require?
Certainly.
And who are the devoted band, and where will he procure them?
They will flock to him, he said, of their own accord, if he pays them.
More drones.
By the dog! I said, here are more drones, of every sort Eand from every
land.
Yes, he said, there are.
But will he not desire to get them on the spot?
How do you mean?
He will rob the citizens of their slaves; he will then set them free and
enrol them in his body-guard.
To be sure, he said; and he will be able to trust them best of all.
He puts to death his friends and lives with the slaves whom he has enfranchised.
What a blessed creature, I said, must this tyrant be; he 568has put to death
the others and has these for his trusted friends.
Yes, he said; they are quite of his sort.
Yes, I said, and these are the new citizens whom he has called into
existence, who admire him and are his companions, while the good hate and
avoid him.
Of course.
Euripides and the tragedians praise tyranny, which is an excellent reason for expelling them from our State.
Verily, then, tragedy is a wise thing and Euripides a great tragedian.
Why so?
Why, because he is the author of the pregnant saying,
B
‘Tyrants are wise by living with the wise;’
and he clearly meant to say that they are the wise whom the tyrant makes
his companions.
C
Yes, he said, and he also praises tyranny as godlike; and many other
things of the same kind are said by him and by the other poets.
And therefore, I said, the tragic poets being wise men will forgive us and
any others who live after our manner if we do not receive them into our
State, because they are the eulogists of tyranny.
Yes, he said, those who have the wit will doubtless forgive us.
But they will continue to go to other cities and attract mobs, and hire
voices fair and loud and persuasive, and draw the cities over to tyrannies
and democracies.
Very true.
Moreover, they are paid for this and receive honour—the greatest
honour, as might be expected, from tyrants, and the next greatest from
democracies; but the higher they ascend Dour constitution hill, the more
their reputation fails, and seems unable from shortness of breath to
proceed further.
True.
But we are wandering from the subject: Let us therefore return and enquire
how the tyrant will maintain that fair and numerous and various and
ever-changing army of his.
The tyrant seizes the treasures in the temples, and when these fail feeds upon the people.
If, he said, there are sacred treasures in the city, he will confiscate
and spend them; and in so far as the fortunes of attainted persons may
suffice, he will be able to diminish the taxes which he would otherwise
have to impose upon the people.
E
And when these fail?
Why, clearly, he said, then he and his boon companions, whether male or
female, will be maintained out of his father’s estate.
You mean to say that the people, from whom he has derived his being, will
maintain him and his companions?
Yes, he said; they cannot help themselves.
They rebel, and then he beats his own parent, i.e. the people.
But what if the people fly into a passion, and aver that a grown-up son
ought not to be supported by his father, but 569that the father should be
supported by the son? The father did not bring him into being, or settle
him in life, in order that when his son became a man he should himself be
the servant of his own servants and should support him and his rabble of
slaves and companions; but that his son should protect him, and that by
his help he might be emancipated from the government of the rich and
aristocratic, as they are termed. And so he bids him and his companions
depart, just as any other father might drive out of the house a riotous
son and his undesirable associates.
By heaven, he said, then the parent will discover what Ba monster he has
been fostering in his bosom; and, when he wants to drive him out, he will
find that he is weak and his son strong.
Why, you do not mean to say that the tyrant will use violence? What! beat
his father if he opposes him?
Yes, he will, having first disarmed him.
Then he is a parricide, and a cruel guardian of an aged parent; and this
is real tyranny, about which there can be no longer a mistake: as the
saying is, the people who would escape the smoke which is the slavery of
freemen, has fallen Cinto the fire which is the tyranny of slaves. Thus
liberty, getting out of all order and reason, passes into the harshest and
bitterest form of slavery.
True, he said.
Very well; and may we not rightly say that we have sufficiently discussed
the nature of tyranny, and the manner of the transition from democracy to
tyranny?
Yes, quite enough, he said.
Steph.
571 Republic IX.
SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS.
LAST of all comes the tyrannical man; about whom we have once more to ask,
how is he formed out of the democratical? and how does he live, in
happiness or in misery?
Yes, he said, he is the only one remaining.
There is, however, I said, a previous question which remains unanswered.
What question?
A digression having a purpose.
I do not think that we have adequately determined the nature and number of
the appetites, and until this is accomplished Bthe enquiry will always be
confused.
Well, he said, it is not too late to supply the omission.
The wild beast latent in man peers forth in sleep.
Very true, I said; and observe the point which I want to understand:
Certain of the unnecessary pleasures and appetites I conceive to be
unlawful; every one appears to have them, but in some persons they are
controlled by the laws and by reason, and the better desires prevail over
them—either they are wholly banished or they become few and weak;
while in the case of others they are stronger, and Cthere are more of them.
Which appetites do you mean?
I mean those which are awake when the reasoning and human and ruling power
is asleep; then the wild beast within us, gorged with meat or drink,
starts up and having shaken off sleep, goes forth to satisfy his desires;
and there Dis no conceivable folly or crime—not excepting incest or
any other unnatural union, or parricide, or the eating of forbidden food—which
at such a time, when he has parted company with all shame and sense, a man
may not be ready to commit.
Most true, he said.
The contrast of the temperate man whose passions are under the control of reason.
But when a man’s pulse is healthy and temperate, and when before going to
sleep he has awakened his rational powers, and fed them on noble thoughts
and enquiries, Ecollecting himself in meditation; after having first
indulged his appetites neither too much nor too little, but just enough to
lay them to sleep, and prevent them and their enjoyments 572and pains from
interfering with the higher principle—which he leaves in the
solitude of pure abstraction, free to contemplate and aspire to the
knowledge of the unknown, whether in past, present, or future: when again
he has allayed the passionate element, if he has a quarrel against any one—I
say, when, after pacifying the two irrational principles, he rouses up the
third, which is reason, before he takes his rest, then, as you know, he
attains truth most nearly, and is least Blikely to be the sport of
fantastic and lawless visions.
I quite agree.
In saying this I have been running into a digression; but the point which
I desire to note is that in all of us, even in good men, there is a
lawless wild-beast nature, which peers out in sleep. Pray, consider
whether I am right, and you agree with me.
Yes, I agree.
Recapitulation.
And now remember the character which we attributed Cto the democratic man.
He was supposed from his youth upwards to have been trained under a
miserly parent, who encouraged the saving appetites in him, but
discountenanced the unnecessary, which aim only at amusement and ornament?
True.
And then he got into the company of a more refined, licentious sort of
people, and taking to all their wanton ways rushed into the opposite
extreme from an abhorrence of his father’s meanness. At last, being a
better man than his corruptors, he was drawn in both directions until he
halted Dmidway and led a life, not of vulgar and slavish passion, but of
what he deemed moderate indulgence in various pleasures. After this manner
the democrat was generated out of the oligarch?
Yes, he said; that was our view of him, and is so still.
And now, I said, years will have passed away, and you must conceive this
man, such as he is, to have a son, who is brought up in his father’s
principles.
I can imagine him.
Then you must further imagine the same thing to happen to the son which
has already happened to the father:—he is Edrawn into a perfectly
lawless life, which by his seducers is termed perfect liberty; and his
father and friends take part with his moderate desires, and the opposite
party assist the opposite ones. As soon as these dire magicians and
573tyrant-makers find that they are losing their hold on him, they contrive
to implant in him a master passion, to be lord over his idle and
spendthrift lusts—a sort of monstrous winged drone—that is the
only image which will adequately describe him.
Yes, he said, that is the only adequate image of him.
And when his other lusts, amid clouds of incense and perfumes and garlands
and wines, and all the pleasures of a dissolute life, now let loose, come
buzzing around him, nourishing to the utmost the sting of desire which
they implant in his drone-like nature, then at last this lord of Bthe soul,
having Madness for the captain of his guard, breaks out into a frenzy: and
if he finds in himself any good opinions or appetites in process of
formation1, and there is in him any sense of shame remaining, to these
better principles he puts an end, and casts them forth until he has purged
away temperance and brought in madness to the full.
The tyrannical man is made up of lusts and appetites. Love, drink, madness are but different forms of tyranny.
Yes, he said, that is the way in which the tyrannical man is generated.
And is not this the reason why of old love has been called a tyrant?
I should not wonder.
Further, I said, has not a drunken man also the spirit of Ca tyrant?
He has.
And you know that a man who is deranged and not right in his mind, will
fancy that he is able to rule, not only over men, but also over the gods?
That he will.
And the tyrannical man in the true sense of the word comes into being
when, either under the influence of nature, or habit, or both, he becomes
drunken, lustful, passionate? O my friend, is not that so?
Assuredly.
Such is the man and such is his origin. And next, how does he live?
D
Suppose, as people facetiously say, you were to tell me.
I imagine, I said, at the next step in his progress, that there will be
feasts and carousals and revellings and courtezans, and all that sort of
thing; Love is the lord of the house within him, and orders all the
concerns of his soul.
That is certain.
Yes; and every day and every night desires grow up many and formidable,
and their demands are many.
They are indeed, he said.
His revenues, if he has any, are soon spent.
True.
E
Then comes debt and the cutting down of his property.
Of course.
His desires become greater and his means less.
When he has nothing left, must not his desires, crowding in the nest like
young ravens, be crying aloud for food; and 574he, goaded on by them, and
especially by love himself, who is in a manner the captain of them, is in
a frenzy, and would fain discover whom he can defraud or despoil of his
property, in order that he may gratify them?
Yes, that is sure to be the case.
He must have money, no matter how, if he is to escape horrid pains and
pangs.
He must.
He will rob his father and mother.
And as in himself there was a succession of pleasures, and the new got the
better of the old and took away their rights, so he being younger will
claim to have more than his father and his mother, and if he has spent his
own share of the property, he will take a slice of theirs.
No doubt he will.
B
And if his parents will not give way, then he will try first of all to
cheat and deceive them.
Very true.
And if he fails, then he will use force and plunder them.
Yes, probably.
And if the old man and woman fight for their own, what then, my friend?
Will the creature feel any compunction at tyrannizing over them?
Nay, he said, I should not feel at all comfortable about his parents.
He will prefer the love of a girl or a youth to his aged parents, and may even be induced to strike them.
But, O heavens! Adeimantus, on account of some new-fangled love of a
harlot, who is anything but a necessary Cconnection, can you believe that
he would strike the mother who is his ancient friend and necessary to his
very existence, and would place her under the authority of the other, when
she is brought under the same roof with her; or that, under like
circumstances, he would do the same to his withered old father, first and
most indispensable of friends, for the sake of some newly-found blooming
youth who is the reverse of indispensable?
Yes, indeed, he said; I believe that he would.
Truly, then, I said, a tyrannical son is a blessing to his father and
mother.
He is indeed, he replied.
D He turns
highwayman, robs temples, loses all his early principles, and becomes in
waking reality the evil dream which he had in sleep.
He gathers followers about him.
He first takes their property, and when that fails, and pleasures are
beginning to swarm in the hive of his soul, then he breaks into a house,
or steals the garments of some nightly wayfarer; next he proceeds to clear
a temple. Meanwhile the old opinions which he had when a child, and which
gave judgment about good and evil, are overthrown by those others which
have just been emancipated, and are now the body-guard of love and share
his empire. These in his democratic days, when he was still subject to the
laws Eand to his father, were only let loose in the dreams of sleep. But
now that he is under the dominion of love, he becomes always and in waking
reality what he was then very rarely and in a dream only; he will commit
the foulest murder, or eat forbidden food, or be guilty of any other
horrid act. 575Love is his tyrant, and lives lordly in him and lawlessly, and
being himself a king, leads him on, as a tyrant leads a State, to the
performance of any reckless deed by which he can maintain himself and the
rabble of his associates, whether those whom evil communications have
brought in from without, or those whom he himself has allowed to break
loose within him by reason of a similar evil nature in himself. Have we
not here a picture of his way of life?
Yes, indeed, he said.
And if there are only a few of them in the State, and the Brest of the
people are well disposed, they go away and become the body-guard or
mercenary soldiers of some other tyrant who may probably want them for a
war; and if there is no war, they stay at home and do many little pieces
of mischief in the city.
What sort of mischief?
For example, they are the thieves, burglars, cut-purses, foot-pads,
robbers of temples, man-stealers of the community; or if they are able to
speak they turn informers, and bear false witness, and take bribes.
C
A small catalogue of evils, even if the perpetrators of them are few in
number.
A private person can do but little harm in comparison of the tyrant.
Yes, I said; but small and great are comparative terms, and all these
things, in the misery and evil which they inflict upon a State, do not
come within a thousand miles of the tyrant; when this noxious class and
their followers grow numerous and become conscious of their strength,
assisted by the infatuation of the people, they choose from among
themselves the one who has most of the tyrant in his own soul, Dand him
they create their tyrant.
Yes, he said, and he will be the most fit to be a tyrant.
If the people yield, well and good; but if they resist him, as he began by
beating his own father and mother, so now, if he has the power, he beats
them, and will keep his dear old fatherland or motherland, as the Cretans
say, in subjection to his young retainers whom he has introduced to be
their rulers and masters. This is the end of his passions and desires.
E
Exactly.
The behaviour of the tyrant to his early supporters.
When such men are only private individuals and before they get power, this
is their character; they associate entirely with their own flatterers or
ready tools; or if they want anything from anybody, they in their turn are
equally ready to bow down before them: they profess every sort of
576affection for them; but when they have gained their point they know them
no more.
Yes, truly.
He is always either master or servant, always treacherous, unjust, the waking reality of our dream, a tyrant by nature, a tyrant in fact.
They are always either the masters or servants and never the friends of
anybody; the tyrant never tastes of true freedom or friendship.
Certainly not.
And may we not rightly call such men treacherous?
No question.
B
Also they are utterly unjust, if we were right in our notion of justice?
Yes, he said, and we were perfectly right.
Let us then sum up in a word, I said, the character of the worst man: he
is the waking reality of what we dreamed.
Most true.
And this is he who being by nature most of a tyrant bears rule, and the
longer he lives the more of a tyrant he becomes.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
That is certain, said Glaucon, taking his turn to answer.
The wicked are also the most miserable.
And will not he who has been shown to be the wickedest, Cbe also the most
miserable? and he who has tyrannized longest and most, most continually
and truly miserable; although this may not be the opinion of men in
general?
Yes, he said, inevitably.
Like man, like State.
And must not the tyrannical man be like the tyrannical State, and the
democratical man like the democratical State; and the same of the others?
Certainly.
And as State is to State in virtue and happiness, so is man in relation to
man?
D
To be sure.
The opposite of the king.
Then comparing our original city, which was under a king, and the city
which is under a tyrant, how do they stand as to virtue?
They are the opposite extremes, he said, for one is the very best and the
other is the very worst.
There can be no mistake, I said, as to which is which, and therefore I
will at once enquire whether you would arrive at a similar decision about
their relative happiness and misery. And here we must not allow ourselves
to be panic-stricken at the apparition of the tyrant, who is only a unit
and may perhaps have a few retainers about him; but let us go as we Eought
into every corner of the city and look all about, and then we will give
our opinion.
A fair invitation, he replied; and I see, as every one must, that a
tyranny is the wretchedest form of government, and the rule of a king the
happiest.
And in estimating the men too, may I not fairly make 577a like request, that
I should have a judge whose mind can enter into and see through human
nature? he must not be like a child who looks at the outside and is
dazzled at the pompous aspect which the tyrannical nature assumes to the
beholder, but let him be one who has a clear insight. May I suppose that
the judgment is given in the hearing of us all by one who is able to
judge, and has dwelt in the same place with him, and been present at his
dally life and known Bhim in his family relations, where he may be seen
stripped of his tragedy attire, and again in the hour of public danger—he
shall tell us about the happiness and misery of the tyrant when compared
with other men?
That again, he said, is a very fair proposal.
Shall I assume that we ourselves are able and experienced judges and have
before now met with such a person? We shall then have some one who will
answer our enquiries.
By all means.
C
Let me ask you not to forget the parallel of the individual and the State;
bearing this in mind, and glancing in turn from one to the other of them,
will you tell me their respective conditions?
What do you mean? he asked.
The State is not free, but enslaved.
Beginning with the State, I replied, would you say that a city which is
governed by a tyrant is free or enslaved?
No city, he said, can be more completely enslaved.
And yet, as you see, there are freemen as well as masters in such a State?
Yes, he said, I see that there are—a few; but the people, speaking
generally, and the best of them are miserably degraded and enslaved.
D Like a slave, the tyrant is full of meanness, and the ruling part of him is madness.
Then if the man is like the State, I said, must not the same rule prevail?
his soul is full of meanness and vulgarity—the best elements in him
are enslaved; and there is a small ruling part, which is also the worst
and maddest.
Inevitably.
And would you say that the soul of such an one is the soul of a freeman,
or of a slave?
He has the soul of a slave, in my opinion.
And the State which is enslaved under a tyrant is utterly incapable of
acting voluntarily?
Utterly incapable.
E The city which is subject to him is goaded by a gadfly;
And also the soul which is under a tyrant (I am speaking of the soul taken
as a whole) is least capable of doing what she desires; there is a gadfly
which goads her, and she is full of trouble and remorse?
Certainly.
And is the city which is under a tyrant rich or poor?
Poor.
578 poor;
And the tyrannical soul must be always poor and insatiable?
True.
And must not such a State and such a man be always full of fear?
Yes, indeed.
full of misery.
Is there any State in which you will find more of lamentation and sorrow
and groaning and pain?
Certainly not.
And is there any man in whom you will find more of this sort of misery
than in the tyrannical man, who is in a fury of passions and desires?
Impossible.
B
Reflecting upon these and similar evils, you held the tyrannical State to
be the most miserable of States?
And I was right, he said.
Also the tyrannical man is most miserable.
Certainly, I said. And when you see the same evils in the tyrannical man,
what do you say of him?
I say that he is by far the most miserable of all men.
Yet there is a still more miserable being, the tyrannical man who is a public tyrant.
There, I said, I think that you are beginning to go wrong.
What do you mean?
I do not think that he has as yet reached the utmost extreme of misery.
Then who is more miserable?
One of whom I am about to speak.
Who is that?
C
He who is of a tyrannical nature, and instead of leading a private life
has been cursed with the further misfortune of being a public tyrant.
From what has been said, I gather that you are right.
Yes, I replied, but in this high argument you should be a little more
certain, and should not conjecture only; for of all questions, this
respecting good and evil is the greatest.
Very true, he said.
Let me then offer you an illustration, which may, I think, Dthrow a light
upon this subject.
What is your illustration?
In cities there are many great slaveowners, and they help to protect one another.
The case of rich individuals in cities who possess many slaves: from them
you may form an idea of the tyrant’s condition, for they both have slaves;
the only difference is that he has more slaves.
Yes, that is the difference.
You know that they live securely and have nothing to apprehend from their
servants?
What should they fear?
Nothing. But do you observe the reason of this?
Yes; the reason is, that the whole city is leagued together for the
protection of each individual.
E But suppose a
slaveowner and his slaves carried off into the wilderness, what will
happen then? Such is the condition of the tyrant.
Very true, I said. But imagine one of these owners, the master say of some
fifty slaves, together with his family and property and slaves, carried
off by a god into the wilderness, where there are no freemen to help him—will
he not be in an agony of fear lest he and his wife and children should be
put to death by his slaves?
Yes, he said, he will be in the utmost fear.
579
The time has arrived when he will be compelled to flatter divers of his
slaves, and make many promises to them of freedom and other things, much
against his will—he will have to cajole his own servants.
Yes, he said, that will be the only way of saving himself.
And suppose the same god, who carried him away, to surround him with
neighbours who will not suffer one man to be the master of another, and
who, if they could catch the offender, would take his life?
B
His case will be still worse, if you suppose him to be everywhere
surrounded and watched by enemies.
He is the daintiest of all men and has to endure the hardships of a prison;
And is not this the sort of prison in which the tyrant will be bound—he
who being by nature such as we have described, is full of all sorts of
fears and lusts? His soul is dainty and greedy, and yet alone, of all men
in the city, he is never allowed to go on a journey, or to see the things
which other freemen desire to see, but he lives in his hole like a woman
Chidden in the house, and is jealous of any other citizen who goes into
foreign parts and sees anything of interest.
Very true, he said.
Miserable in himself, he is still more miserable if he be in a public station.
And amid evils such as these will not he who is ill-governed in his own
person—the tyrannical man, I mean—whom you just now decided to
be the most miserable of all—will not he be yet more miserable when,
instead of leading a private life, he is constrained by fortune to be a
public tyrant? He has to be master of others when he is not master of
himself: he is like a diseased or paralytic man who is compelled to pass
his Dlife, not in retirement, but fighting and combating with other men.
Yes, he said, the similitude is most exact.
He then leads a life worse than the worst,
Is not his case utterly miserable? and does not the actual tyrant lead a
worse life than he whose life you determined to be the worst?
Certainly.
in unhappiness,
He who is the real tyrant, whatever men may think, is the real slave, and
is obliged to practise the greatest adulation Eand servility, and to be the
flatterer of the vilest of mankind. He has desires which he is utterly
unable to satisfy, and has more wants than any one, and is truly poor, if
you know how to inspect the whole soul of him: all his life long he is
beset with fear and is full of convulsions and distractions, even as the
State which he resembles: and surely the resemblance holds?
Very true, he said.
580 and in wickedness.
Moreover, as we were saying before, he grows worse from having power: he
becomes and is of necessity more jealous, more faithless, more unjust,
more friendless, more impious, than he was at first; he is the purveyor
and cherisher of every sort of vice, and the consequence is that he is
supremely miserable, and that he makes everybody else as miserable as
himself.
No man of any sense will dispute your words.
The umpire decides that
Come then, I said, and as the general umpire in theatrical Bcontests
proclaims the result, do you also decide who in your opinion is first in
the scale of happiness, and who second, and in what order the others
follow: there are five of them in all—they are the royal,
timocratical, oligarchical, democratical, tyrannical.
The decision will be easily given, he replied; they shall be choruses
coming on the stage, and I must judge them in the order in which they
enter, by the criterion of virtue and vice, happiness and misery.
the best is the happiest and the worst is the most miserable. This is the proclamation of the son of Ariston.
Need we hire a herald, or shall I announce, that the son of Ariston [the
best] has decided that the best and justest Cis also the happiest, and that
this is he who is the most royal man and king over himself; and that the
worst and most unjust man is also the most miserable, and that this is he
who being the greatest tyrant of himself is also the greatest tyrant of
his State?
Make the proclamation yourself, he said.
And shall I add, ‘whether seen or unseen by gods and men’?
Let the words be added.
Then this, I said, will be our first proof; and there is Danother, which
may also have some weight.
What is that?
Proof, derived from the three principles of the soul.
The second proof is derived from the nature of the soul: seeing that the
individual soul, like the State, has been divided by us into three
principles, the division may, I think, furnish a new demonstration.
Of what nature?
It seems to me that to these three principles three pleasures correspond;
also three desires and governing powers.
How do you mean? he said.
There is one principle with which, as we were saying, a man learns,
another with which he is angry; the third, Ehaving many forms, has no
special name, but is denoted by the general term appetitive, from the
extraordinary strength and vehemence of the desires of eating and drinking
and the other sensual appetites which are the main elements of it; 581also
money-loving, because such desires are generally satisfied by the help of
money.
That is true, he said.
(1) The appetitive:
If we were to say that the loves and pleasures of this third part were
concerned with gain, we should then be able to fall back on a single
notion; and might truly and intelligibly describe this part of the soul as
loving gain or money.
I agree with you.
Again, is not the passionate element wholly set on ruling and conquering
and getting fame?
B
True.
(2) The ambitious;
Suppose we call it the contentious or ambitious—would the term be
suitable?
Extremely suitable.
(3) The principle of knowledge and truth.
On the other hand, every one sees that the principle of knowledge is
wholly directed to the truth, and cares less than either of the others for
gain or fame.
Far less.
‘Lover of wisdom,’ ‘lover of knowledge,’ are titles which we may fitly
apply to that part of the soul?
Certainly.
One principle prevails in the souls of one class of men, Canother in
others, as may happen?
Yes.
Then we may begin by assuming that there are three classes of men—lovers
of wisdom, lovers of honour, lovers of gain?
Exactly.
And there are three kinds of pleasure, which are their several objects?
Very true.
Each will depreciate the others, but only the philosopher has the power to judge,
Now, if you examine the three classes of men, and ask of them in turn
which of their lives is pleasantest, each will be found praising his own
and depreciating that of others: Dthe money-maker will contrast the vanity
of honour or of learning if they bring no money with the solid advantages
of gold and silver?
True, he said.
And the lover of honour—what will be his opinion? Will he not think
that the pleasure of riches is vulgar, while the pleasure of learning, if
it brings no distinction, is all smoke and nonsense to him?
Very true.
because he alone has experience of the highest pleasures and is also acquainted with the lower.
And are we to suppose2, I said, that the philosopher sets Eany value on
other pleasures in comparison with the pleasure of knowing the truth, and
in that pursuit abiding, ever learning, not so far indeed from the heaven
of pleasure? Does he not call the other pleasures necessary, under the
idea that if there were no necessity for them, he would rather not have
them?
There can be no doubt of that, he replied.
Since, then, the pleasures of each class and the life of each are in
dispute, and the question is not which life is more or 582 less honourable, or
better or worse, but which is the more pleasant or painless—how
shall we know who speaks truly?
I cannot myself tell, he said.
Well, but what ought to be the criterion? Is any better than experience
and wisdom and reason?
There cannot be a better, he said.
Then, I said, reflect. Of the three individuals, which has the greatest
experience of all the pleasures which we enumerated? Has the lover of
gain, in learning the nature of essential truth, greater experience of the
pleasure of Bknowledge than the philosopher has of the pleasure of gain?
The philosopher, he replied, has greatly the advantage; for he has of
necessity always known the taste of the other pleasures from his childhood
upwards: but the lover of gain in all his experience has not of necessity
tasted—or, I should rather say, even had he desired, could hardly
have tasted—the sweetness of learning and knowing truth.
Then the lover of wisdom has a great advantage over the lover of gain, for
he has a double experience?
C
Yes, very great.
Again, has he greater experience of the pleasures of honour, or the lover
of honour of the pleasures of wisdom?
Nay, he said, all three are honoured in proportion as they attain their
object; for the rich man and the brave man and the wise man alike have
their crowd of admirers, and as they all receive honour they all have
experience of the pleasures of honour; but the delight which is to be
found in the knowledge of true being is known to the philosopher only.
D
His experience, then, will enable him to judge better than any one?
Far better.
The philosopher alone having both judgment and experience,
And he is the only one who has wisdom as well as experience?
Certainly.
Further, the very faculty which is the instrument of judgment is not
possessed by the covetous or ambitious man, but only by the philosopher?
What faculty?
Reason, with whom, as we were saying, the decision ought to rest.
Yes.
And reasoning is peculiarly his instrument?
Certainly.
If wealth and gain were the criterion, then the praise or Eblame of the
lover of gain would surely be the most trustworthy?
Assuredly.
Or if honour or victory or courage, in that case the judgment of the
ambitious or pugnacious would be the truest?
Clearly.
the pleasures
which he approves are the true pleasures: he places (1) the love of
wisdom, (2) the love of honour, (3) and lowest the love of gain.
But since experience and wisdom and reason are the judges—
The only inference possible, he replied, is that pleasures which are
approved by the lover of wisdom and reason are the truest.
And so we arrive at the result, that the pleasure of the 583intelligent part
of the soul is the pleasantest of the three, and that he of us in whom
this is the ruling principle has the pleasantest life.
Unquestionably, he said, the wise man speaks with authority when he
approves of his own life.
And what does the judge affirm to be the life which is next, and the
pleasure which is next?
Clearly that of the soldier and lover of honour; who is nearer to himself
than the money-maker.
Last comes the lover of gain?
Very true, he said.
B True pleasure is not relative but absolute.
Twice in succession, then, has the just man overthrown the unjust in this
conflict; and now comes the third trial, which is dedicated to Olympian
Zeus the saviour: a sage whispers in my ear that no pleasure except that
of the wise is quite true and pure—all others are a shadow only; and
surely this will prove the greatest and most decisive of falls?
Yes, the greatest; but will you explain yourself?
C
I will work out the subject and you shall answer my questions.
Proceed.
Say, then, is not pleasure opposed to pain?
True.
And there is a neutral state which is neither pleasure nor pain?
There is.
A state which is intermediate, and a sort of repose of the soul about
either—that is what you mean?
Yes.
You remember what people say when they are sick?
What do they say?
That after all nothing is pleasanter than health. But then they never knew
this to be the greatest of pleasures until Dthey were ill.
Yes, I know, he said.
The states intermediate between pleasure and pain are termed pleasures or pains only in relation to their opposites.
And when persons are suffering from acute pain, you must have heard them
say that there is nothing pleasanter than to get rid of their pain?
I have.
And there are many other cases of suffering in which the mere rest and
cessation of pain, and not any positive enjoyment, is extolled by them as
the greatest pleasure?
Yes, he said; at the time they are pleased and well content to be at rest.
E
Again, when pleasure ceases, that sort of rest or cessation will be
painful?
Doubtless, he said.
Then the intermediate state of rest will be pleasure and will also be
pain?
So it would seem.
But can that which is neither become both?
I should say not.
And both pleasure and pain are motions of the soul, are they not?
Yes.
584 Pleasure and pain are said to be states of rest, but they are really motions.
But that which is neither was just now shown to be rest and not motion,
and in a mean between them?
Yes.
How, then, can we be right in supposing that the absence of pain is
pleasure, or that the absence of pleasure is pain?
Impossible.
This then is an appearance only and not a reality; that is to say, the
rest is pleasure at the moment and in comparison of what is painful, and
painful in comparison of what is pleasant; but all these representations,
when tried by the test of true pleasure, are not real but a sort of
imposition?
That is the inference.
B All pleasures are not merely cessations of pains, or pains of pleasures; e.g. the pleasures of smell are not.
Look at the other class of pleasures which have no antecedent pains and
you will no longer suppose, as you perhaps may at present, that pleasure
is only the cessation of pain, or pain of pleasure.
What are they, he said, and where shall I find them?
There are many of them: take as an example the pleasures of smell, which
are very great and have no antecedent pains; they come in a moment, and
when they depart leave no pain behind them.
Most true, he said.
C
Let us not, then, be induced to believe that pure pleasure is the
cessation of pain, or pain of pleasure.
No.
Still, the more numerous and violent pleasures which reach the soul
through the body are generally of this sort—they are reliefs of
pain.
That is true.
And the anticipations of future pleasures and pains are of a like nature?
Yes.
D
Shall I give you an illustration of them?
Let me hear.
You would allow, I said, that there is in nature an upper and lower and
middle region?
I should.
Illustrations of the unreality of certain pleasures.
And if a person were to go from the lower to the middle region, would he
not imagine that he is going up; and he who is standing in the middle and
sees whence he has come, would imagine that he is already in the upper
region, if he has never seen the true upper world?
To be sure, he said; how can he think otherwise?
E
But if he were taken back again he would imagine, and truly imagine, that
he was descending?
No doubt.
All that would arise out of his ignorance of the true upper and middle and
lower regions?
Yes.
Then can you wonder that persons who are inexperienced in the truth, as
they have wrong ideas about many other things, should also have wrong
ideas about pleasure and pain and the intermediate state; so that when
they are only being 585drawn towards the painful they feel pain and think the
pain which they experience to be real, and in like manner, when drawn away
from pain to the neutral or intermediate state, they firmly believe that
they have reached the goal of satiety and pleasure; they, not knowing
pleasure, err in contrasting pain with the absence of pain, which is like
contrasting black with grey instead of white—can you wonder, I say,
at this?
No, indeed; I should be much more disposed to wonder at the opposite.
Look at the matter thus:—Hunger, thirst, and the like, Bare
inanitions of the bodily state?
Yes.
And ignorance and folly are inanitions of the soul?
True.
And food and wisdom are the corresponding satisfactions of either?
Certainly.
The intellectual more real than the sensual.
And is the satisfaction derived from that which has less or from that
which has more existence the truer?
Clearly, from that which has more.
What classes of things have a greater share of pure existence in your
judgment—those of which food and drink and condiments and all kinds
of sustenance are examples, or the class which contains true opinion and
knowledge and Cmind and all the different kinds of virtue? Put the question
in this way:—Which has a more pure being—that which is
concerned with the invariable, the immortal, and the true, and is of such
a nature, and is found in such natures; or that which is concerned with
and found in the variable and mortal, and is itself variable and mortal?
Far purer, he replied, is the being of that which is concerned with the
invariable.
And does the essence of the invariable partake of knowledge in the same
degree as of essence?
Yes, of knowledge in the same degree.
And of truth in the same degree?
Yes.
And, conversely, that which has less of truth will also have less of
essence?
Necessarily.
D
Then, in general, those kinds of things which are in the service of the
body have less of truth and essence than those which are in the service of
the soul?
Far less.
And has not the body itself less of truth and essence than the soul?
Yes.
What is filled with more real existence, and actually has a more real
existence, is more really filled than that which is filled with less real
existence and is less real?
Of course.
The pleasures of the sensual and also of the passionate element are unreal and mixed.
And if there be a pleasure in being filled with that which is according to
nature, that which is more really filled with Emore real being will more
really and truly enjoy true pleasure; whereas that which participates in
less real being will be less truly and surely satisfied, and will
participate in an illusory and less real pleasure?
Unquestionably.
586
Those then who know not wisdom and virtue, and are always busy with
gluttony and sensuality, go down and up again as far as the mean; and in
this region they move at random throughout life, but they never pass into
the true upper world; thither they neither look, nor do they ever find
their way, neither are they truly filled with true being, nor do they
taste of pure and abiding pleasure. Like cattle, with their eyes always
looking down and their heads stooping to the earth, that is, to the
dining-table, they fatten and feed Band breed, and, in their excessive love
of these delights, they kick and butt at one another with horns and hoofs
which are made of iron; and they kill one another by reason of their
insatiable lust. For they fill themselves with that which is not
substantial, and the part of themselves which they fill is also
unsubstantial and incontinent.
Verily, Socrates, said Glaucon, you describe the life of the many like an
oracle.
Their pleasures are mixed with pains—how can they be otherwise? For
they are mere shadows and pictures of Cthe true, and are coloured by
contrast, which exaggerates both light and shade, and so they implant in
the minds of fools insane desires of themselves; and they are fought about
as Stesichorus says that the Greeks fought about the shadow of Helen at
Troy in ignorance of the truth.
Something of that sort must inevitably happen.
And must not the like happen with the spirited or passionate element of
the soul? Will not the passionate man who carries his passion into action,
be in the like case, whether he is envious and ambitious, or violent and
contentious, or angry and discontented, if he be seeking to attain Dhonour
and victory and the satisfaction of his anger without reason or sense?
Yes, he said, the same will happen with the spirited element also.
Both kinds of pleasures are attained in the highest degree when the desires which seek them are under the guidance of reason.
Then may we not confidently assert that the lovers of money and honour,
when they seek their pleasures under the guidance and in the company of
reason and knowledge, and pursue after and win the pleasures which wisdom
shows them, will also have the truest pleasures in the highest degree
which is attainable to them, inasmuch as they follow truth; Eand they will
have the pleasures which are natural to them, if that which is best for
each one is also most natural to him?
Yes, certainly; the best is the most natural.
And when the whole soul follows the philosophical principle, and there is
no division, the several parts are just, 587and do each of them their own
business, and enjoy severally the best and truest pleasures of which they
are capable?
Exactly.
But when either of the two other principles prevails, it fails in
attaining its own pleasure, and compels the rest to pursue after a
pleasure which is a shadow only and which is not their own?
True.
And the greater the interval which separates them from philosophy and
reason, the more strange and illusive will be the pleasure?
Yes.
And is not that farthest from reason which is at the greatest distance
from law and order?
Clearly.
And the lustful and tyrannical desires are, as we saw, at the Bgreatest
distance?
Yes.
And the royal and orderly desires are nearest?
Yes.
Then the tyrant will live at the greatest distance from true or natural
pleasure, and the king at the least?
Certainly.
But if so, the tyrant will live most unpleasantly, and the king most
pleasantly?
Inevitably.
The measure of the interval which separates the king from the tyrant,
Would you know the measure of the interval which separates them?
Will you tell me?
There appear to be three pleasures, one genuine and two Cspurious: now the
transgression of the tyrant reaches a point beyond the spurious; he has
run away from the region of law and reason, and taken up his abode with
certain slave pleasures which are his satellites, and the measure of his
inferiority can only be expressed in a figure.
How do you mean?
I assume, I said, that the tyrant is in the third place from the oligarch;
the democrat was in the middle?
Yes.
And if there is truth in what has preceded, he will be wedded to an image
of pleasure which is thrice removed as to truth from the pleasure of the
oligarch?
He will.
And the oligarch is third from the royal; since we count Das one royal and
aristocratical?
Yes, he is third.
Then the tyrant is removed from true pleasure by the space of a number
which is three times three?
Manifestly.
expressed under the symbol of a cube corresponding to the number 729.
The shadow then of tyrannical pleasure determined by the number of length
will be a plane figure.
Certainly.
And if you raise the power and make the plane a solid, there is no
difficulty in seeing how vast is the interval by which the tyrant is
parted from the king.
Yes; the arithmetician will easily do the sum.
Or if some person begins at the other end and measures Ethe interval by
which the king is parted from the tyrant in truth of pleasure, he will
find him, when the multiplication is completed, living 729 times more
pleasantly, and the tyrant more painfully by this same interval.
What a wonderful calculation! And how enormous is the 588distance which
separates the just from the unjust in regard to pleasure and pain!
which is nearly the number of days and nights in a year.
Yet a true calculation, I said, and a number which nearly concerns human
life, if human beings are concerned with days and nights and months and
years3.
Yes, he said, human life is certainly concerned with them.
Then if the good and just man be thus superior in pleasure to the evil and
unjust, his superiority will be infinitely greater in propriety of life
and in beauty and virtue?
Immeasurably greater.
B Refutation of Thrasymachus.
Well, I said, and now having arrived at this stage of the argument, we may
revert to the words which brought us hither: Was not some one saying that
injustice was a gain to the perfectly unjust who was reputed to be just?
Yes, that was said.
Now then, having determined the power and quality of justice and
injustice, let us have a little conversation with him.
What shall we say to him?
Let us make an image of the soul, that he may have his own words presented
before his eyes.
C
Of what sort?
The triple animal who has outwardly the image of a man.
An ideal image of the soul, like the composite creations of ancient
mythology, such as the Chimera or Scylla or Cerberus, and there are many
others in which two or more different natures are said to grow into one.
There are said of have been such unions.
Then do you now model the form of a multitudinous, many-headed monster,
having a ring of heads of all manner of beasts, tame and wild, which he is
able to generate and metamorphose at will.
D
You suppose marvellous powers in the artist; but, as language is more
pliable than wax or any similar substance, let there be such a model as
you propose.
Suppose now that you make a second form as of a lion, and a third of a
man, the second smaller than the first, and the third smaller than the
second.
That, he said, is an easier task; and I have made them as you say.
And now join them, and let the three grow into one.
That has been accomplished.
Next fashion the outside of them into a single image, as of a man, so that
he who is not able to look within, and sees Eonly the outer hull, may
believe the beast to be a single human creature.
I have done so, he said.
Will any one say that we should strengthen the monster and the lion at the expense of the man?
And now, to him who maintains that it is profitable for the human creature
to be unjust, and unprofitable to be just, let us reply that, if he be
right, it is profitable for this creature to feast the multitudinous
monster and strengthen the lion and 589the lion-like qualities, but to starve
and weaken the man, who is consequently liable to be dragged about at the
mercy of either of the other two; and he is not to attempt to familiarize
or harmonize them with one another—he ought rather to suffer them to
fight and bite and devour one another.
Certainly, he said; that is what the approver of injustice says.
To him the supporter of justice makes answer that he should ever so speak
and act as to give the man within him in some way or other the most
complete mastery over the Bentire human creature. He should watch over the
many-headed monster like a good husbandman, fostering and cultivating the
gentle qualities, and preventing the wild ones from growing; he should be
making the lion-heart his ally, and in common care of them all should be
uniting the several parts with one another and with himself.
Yes, he said, that is quite what the maintainer of justice say.
And so from every point of view, whether of pleasure, Chonour, or
advantage, the approver of justice is right and speaks the truth, and the
disapprover is wrong and false and ignorant?
Yes, from every point of view.
For the noble principle subjects the beast to the man, the ignoble the man to the beast.
Come, now, and let us gently reason with the unjust, who is not
intentionally in error. ‘Sweet Sir,’ we will say to him, ‘what think you
of things esteemed noble and ignoble? DIs not the noble that which subjects
the beast to the man, or rather to the god in man; and the ignoble that
which subjects the man to the beast?’ He can hardly avoid saying Yes—can
he now?
Not if he has any regard for my opinion.
But, if he agree so far, we may ask him to answer another question: ‘Then
how would a man profit if he received gold and silver on the condition
that he was to enslave the noblest part of him to the worst? A man would not be the gainer if he sold his child: how much worse to sell his soul!Who can
imagine that a man who Esold his son or daughter into slavery for money,
especially if he sold them into the hands of fierce and evil men, would be
the gainer, however large might be the sum which he received? And will any
one say that he is not a miserable 590caitiff who remorselessly sells his own
divine being to that which is most godless and detestable? Eriphyle took
the necklace as the price of her husband’s life, but he is taking a bribe
in order to compass a worse ruin.’
Yes, said Glaucon, far worse—I will answer for him.
Has not the intemperate been censured of old, because in him the huge
multiform monster is allowed to be too much at large?
Clearly.
Proofs:–(1) Men are blamed for the predominance of the lower nature,
And men are blamed for pride and bad temper when the Blion and serpent
element in them disproportionately grows and gains strength?
Yes.
And luxury and softness are blamed, because they relax and weaken this
same creature, and make a coward of him?
Very true.
And is not a man reproached for flattery and meanness who subordinates the
spirited animal to the unruly monster, and, for the sake of money, of
which he can never have enough, habituates him in the days of his youth to
be trampled in the mire, and from being a lion to become a monkey?
Cas well as for the meanness of their employments and character:
True, he said.
And why are mean employments and manual arts a reproach? Only because they
imply a natural weakness of the higher principle; the individual is unable
to control the creatures within him, but has to court them, and his great
study is how to flatter them.
(2) It is admitted
that every one should be the servant of a divine rule, or at any rate
be kept under control by an external authority:
Such appears to be the reason.
And therefore, being desirous of placing him under a rule like that of the
best, we say that he ought to be the servant Dof the best, in whom the
Divine rules; not, as Thrasymachus supposed, to the injury of the servant,
but because every one had better be ruled by divine wisdom dwelling within
him; or, if this be impossible, then by an external authority, in order
that we may be all, as far as possible, under the same government, friends
and equals.
True, he said.
E
And this is clearly seen to be the intention of the law, which is the ally
of the whole city; and is seen also in the authority which we exercise
over children, (3) The care taken of children shows that we seek to establish in them a higher principle.and the refusal to let them be free until we have
established in them a principle analogous to the constitution of a state,
and by 591cultivation of this higher element have set up in their hearts a
guardian and ruler like our own, and when this is done they may go their
ways.
Yes, he said, the purpose of the law is manifest.
From what point of view, then, and on what ground can we say that a man is
profited by injustice or intemperance or other baseness, which will make
him a worse man, even though he acquire money or power by his wickedness?
From no point of view at all.
What shall he profit, if his injustice be undetected and unpunished? BHe
who is undetected only gets worse, whereas he who is detected and punished
has the brutal part of his nature silenced and humanized; the gentler
element in him is liberated, The wise man will
employ his energies in freeing and harmonizing the nobler elements of
his nature and in regulating his bodily habits.and his whole soul is perfected and ennobled
by the acquirement of justice and temperance and wisdom, more than the
body ever is by receiving gifts of beauty, strength and health, in
proportion as the soul is more honourable than the body.
Certainly, he said.
C
To this nobler purpose the man of understanding will devote the energies
of his life. And in the first place, he will honour studies which impress
these qualities on his soul and will disregard others?
Clearly, he said.
His first aim not health but harmony of soul.
In the next place, he will regulate his bodily habit and training, and so
far will he be from yielding to brutal and irrational pleasures, that he
will regard even health as quite a secondary matter; his first object will
be not that he may Dbe fair or strong or well, unless he is likely thereby
to gain temperance, but he will always desire so to attemper the body as
to preserve the harmony of the soul?
Certainly he will, if he has true music in him.
And in the acquisition of wealth there is a principle of order and harmony
which he will also observe; he will not allow himself to be dazzled by the
foolish applause of the world, and heap up riches to his own infinite
harm?
Certainly not, he said.
E He will not heap up riches,
He will look at the city which is within him, and take heed that no
disorder occur in it, such as might arise either from superfluity or from
want; and upon this principle he will regulate his property and gain or
spend according to his means.
Very true.
and he will only accept such political honours as will not deteriorate his character.
And, for the same reason, he will gladly accept and enjoy 592such honours as
he deems likely to make him a better man; but those, whether private or
public, which are likely to disorder his life, he will avoid?
Then, if that is his motive, he will not be a statesman.
By the dog of Egypt, he will! in the city which is his own he certainly
will, though in the land of his birth perhaps not, unless he have a divine
call.
He has a city of his own, and the ideal pattern of this will be the law of his life.
I understand; you mean that he will be a ruler in the city of which we are
the founders, and which exists in idea only; Bfor I do not believe that
there is such an one anywhere on earth?
In heaven, I replied, there is laid up a pattern of it, methinks, which he
who desires may behold, and beholding, may set his own house in order4. But
whether such an one exists, or ever will exist in fact, is no matter; for
he will live after the manner of that city, having nothing to do with any
other.
I think so, he said.
Steph.
595 Republic X. SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
OF the many excellences which I perceive in the order of our State, there
is none which upon reflection pleases me better than the rule about
poetry.
To what do you refer?
To the rejection of imitative poetry, which certainly ought not to be
received; as I see far more clearly now that B the parts of the soul have
been distinguished.
What do you mean?
Poetical imitations are ruinous to the mind of the hearer.
Speaking in confidence, for I should not like to have my words repeated to
the tragedians and the rest of the imitative tribe—but I do not mind
saying to you, that all poetical imitations are ruinous to the
understanding of the hearers, and that the knowledge of their true nature
is the only antidote to them.
Explain the purport of your remark.
Well, I will tell you, although I have always from my earliest youth had
an awe and love of Homer, which even now makes the words falter on my
lips, for he is the great Ccaptain and teacher of the whole of that
charming tragic company; but a man is not to be reverenced more than the
truth, and therefore I will speak out.
Very good, he said.
Listen to me then, or rather, answer me.
Put your question.
The nature of imitation.
Can you tell me what imitation is? for I really do not know.
A likely thing, then, that I should know.
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Why not? for the duller eye may often see a thing sooner than the keener.
Very true, he said; but in your presence, even if I had any faint notion,
I could not muster courage to utter it. Will you enquire yourself?
Well then, shall we begin the enquiry in our usual manner: Whenever a
number of individuals have a common name, we assume them to have also a
corresponding idea or form:—do you understand me?
I do.
The idea is one, but the objects comprehended under it are many.
Let us take any common instance; there are beds and Btables in the world—plenty
of them, are there not?
Yes.
But there are only two ideas or forms of them—one the idea of a bed,
the other of a table.
True.
And the maker of either of them makes a bed or he makes a table for our
use, in accordance with the idea—that is our way of speaking in this
and similar instances—but no artificer makes the ideas themselves:
how could he?
Impossible.
And there is another artist,—I should like to know what you would
say of him.
C
Who is he?
The universal
creator an extraordinary person. But note also that everybody is a
creator in a sense. For all things may be made by the reflection of them
in a mirror.
One who is the maker of all the works of all other workmen.
What an extraordinary man!
Wait a little, and there will be more reason for your saying so. For this
is he who is able to make not only vessels of every kind, but plants and
animals, himself and all other things—the earth and heaven, and the
things which are in heaven or under the earth; he makes the gods also.
D
He must be a wizard and no mistake.
Oh! you are incredulous, are you? Do you mean that there is no such maker
or creator, or that in one sense there might be a maker of all these
things but in another not? Do you see that there is a way in which you
could make them all yourself?
What way?
An easy way enough; or rather, there are many ways in which the feat might
be quickly and easily accomplished, none quicker than that of turning a
mirror round and round—you Ewould soon enough make the sun and the
heavens, and the earth and yourself, and other animals and plants, and all
the other things of which we were just now speaking, in the mirror.
Yes, he said; but they would be appearances only.
But this is an appearance only: and the painter too is a maker of appearances.
Very good, I said, you are coming to the point now. And the painter too
is, as I conceive, just such another—a creator of appearances, is he
not?
Of course.
But then I suppose you will say that what he creates is untrue. And yet
there is a sense in which the painter also creates a bed?
Yes, he said, but not a real bed.
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And what of the maker of the bed? were you not saying that he too makes,
not the idea which, according to our view, is the essence of the bed, but
only a particular bed?
Yes, I did.
Then if he does not make that which exists he cannot make true existence,
but only some semblance of existence; and if any one were to say that the
work of the maker of the bed, or of any other workman, has real existence,
he could hardly be supposed to be speaking the truth.
At any rate, he replied, philosophers would say that he was not speaking
the truth.
No wonder, then, that his work too is an indistinct expression of truth.
B
No wonder.
Suppose now that by the light of the examples just offered we enquire who
this imitator is?
If you please.
Three beds and three makers of beds.
Well then, here are three beds: one existing in nature, which is made by
God, as I think that we may say—for no one else can be the maker?
No.
There is another which is the work of the carpenter?
Yes.
And the work of the painter is a third?
Yes.
Beds, then, are of three kinds, and there are three artists who
superintend them: God, the maker of the bed, and the painter?
Yes, there are three of them.
C
God, whether from choice or from necessity, made one bed in nature and one
only; two or more such ideal beds neither ever have been nor ever will be
made by God.
Why is that?
(1) The creator. God could only make one bed; if he made two, a third would still appear behind them.
Because even if He had made but two, a third would still appear behind
them which both of them would have for their idea, and that would be the
ideal bed and not the two others.
Very true, he said.
D
God knew this, and He desired to be the real maker of a real bed, not a
particular maker of a particular bed, and therefore He created a bed which
is essentially and by nature one only.
So we believe.
Shall we, then, speak of Him as the natural author or maker of the bed?
Yes, he replied; inasmuch as by the natural process of creation He is the
author of this and of all other things.
(2) The human maker.
And what shall we say of the carpenter—is not he also the maker of
the bed?
Yes.
But would you call the painter a creator and maker?
Certainly not.
Yet if he is not the maker, what is he in relation to the bed?
E (3) The imitator, i.e. the painter or poet,
I think, he said, that we may fairly designate him as the imitator of that
which the others make.
Good, I said; then you call him who is third in the descent from nature an
imitator?
Certainly, he said.
And the tragic poet is an imitator, and therefore, like all other
imitators, he is thrice removed from the king and from the truth?
That appears to be so.
Then about the imitator we are agreed. And what about 598the painter?—I
would like to know whether he may be thought to imitate that which
originally exists in nature, or only the creations of artists?
The latter.
As they are or as they appear? you have still to determine this.
What do you mean?
whose art is one of imitation or appearance and a long way removed from the truth.
I mean, that you may look at a bed from different points of view,
obliquely or directly or from any other point of view, and the bed will
appear different, but there is no difference in reality. And the same of
all things.
Yes, he said, the difference is only apparent.
B
Now let me ask you another question: Which is the art of painting designed
to be—an imitation of things as they are, or as they appear—of
appearance or of reality?
Of appearance.
Any one who does all things does only a very small part of them.
Then the imitator, I said, is a long way off the truth, and can do all
things because he lightly touches on a small part of them, and that part
an image. For example: A painter will paint a cobbler, carpenter, or any
other artist, though he Cknows nothing of their arts; and, if he is a good
artist, he may deceive children or simple persons, when he shows them his
picture of a carpenter from a distance, and they will fancy that they are
looking at a real carpenter.
Certainly.
Any one who pretends to know all things is ignorant of the very nature of knowledge.
And whenever any one informs us that he has found a man who knows all the
arts, and all things else that anybody knows, and every single thing with
a higher degree of accuracy Dthan any other man—whoever tells us
this, I think that we can only imagine him to be a simple creature who is
likely to have been deceived by some wizard or actor whom he met, and whom
he thought all-knowing, because he himself was unable to analyse the
nature of knowledge and ignorance and imitation.
Most true.
And he who attributes such universal knowledge to the poets is similarly deceived.
And so, when we hear persons saying that the tragedians, and Homer, who is
at their head, know all the arts and all Ethings human, virtue as well as
vice, and divine things too, for that the good poet cannot compose well
unless he knows his subject, and that he who has not this knowledge can
never be a poet, we ought to consider whether here also there may not be a
similar illusion. Perhaps they may have come across imitators and been
deceived by them; they may not have remembered when they saw their works
that 599these were but imitations thrice removed from the truth, and could
easily be made without any knowledge of the truth, because they are
appearances only and not realities? Or, after all, they may be in the
right, and poets do really know the things about which they seem to the
many to speak so well?
The question, he said, should by all means be considered.
He who could make the original would not make the image.
Now do you suppose that if a person were able to make the original as well
as the image, he would seriously devote himself to the image-making
branch? Would he allow imitation to be the ruling principle of his life,
as if he had Bnothing higher in him?
I should say not.
The real artist, who knew what he was imitating, would be interested in
realities and not in imitations; and would desire to leave as memorials of
himself works many and fair; and, instead of being the author of
encomiums, he would prefer to be the theme of them.
Yes, he said, that would be to him a source of much greater honour and
profit.
If Homer had been a legislator, or general, or inventor,
Then, I said, we must put a question to Homer; not about Cmedicine, or any
of the arts to which his poems only incidentally refer: we are not going
to ask him, or any other poet, whether he has cured patients like
Asclepius, or left behind him a school of medicine such as the Asclepiads
were, or whether he only talks about medicine and other arts at
second-hand; but we have a right to know respecting military tactics,
politics, education, which are the chiefest Dand noblest subjects of his
poems, and we may fairly ask him about them. ‘Friend Homer,’ then we say
to him, ‘if you are only in the second remove from truth in what you say
of virtue, and not in the third—not an image maker or imitator—and
if you are able to discern what pursuits make men better or worse in
private or public life, tell us what State was ever better governed by
your help? The good Eorder of Lacedaemon is due to Lycurgus, and many other
cities great and small have been similarly benefited by others; but who
says that you have been a good legislator to them and have done them any
good? Italy and Sicily boast of Charondas, and there is Solon who is
renowned among us; but what city has anything to say about you?’ Is there
any city which he might name?
I think not, said Glaucon; not even the Homerids themselves pretend that
he was a legislator.
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Well, but is there any war on record which was carried on successfully by
him, or aided by his counsels, when he was alive?
There is not.
Or is there any invention1 of his, applicable to the arts or to human life,
such as Thales the Milesian or Anacharsis the Scythian, and other
ingenious men have conceived, which is attributed to him?
There is absolutely nothing of the kind.
But, if Homer never did any public service, was he privately a guide or
teacher of any? Had he in his lifetime friends Bwho loved to associate with
him, and who handed down to posterity an Homeric way of life, such as was
established by Pythagoras who was so greatly beloved for his wisdom, and
whose followers are to this day quite celebrated for the order which was
named after him?
Nothing of the kind is recorded of him. For surely, Socrates, Creophylus,
the companion of Homer, that child of flesh, whose name always makes us
laugh, might be more justly ridiculed for his stupidity, if, as is said,
Homer was Cgreatly neglected by him and others in his own day when he was
alive?
or had done anything else for the improvement of mankind, he would not have been allowed to starve.
Yes, I replied, that is the tradition. But can you imagine, Glaucon, that
if Homer had really been able to educate and improve mankind—if he
had possessed knowledge and not been a mere imitator—can you
imagine, I say, that he would not have had many followers, and been
honoured and loved by them? Protagoras of Abdera, and Prodicus of Ceos,
and a host of others, have only to whisper to their contemporaries: D‘You
will never be able to manage either your own house or your own State until
you appoint us to be your ministers of education’—and this ingenious
device of theirs has such an effect in making men love them that their
companions all but carry them about on their shoulders. And is it
conceivable that the contemporaries of Homer, or again of Hesiod, would
have allowed either of them to go about as rhapsodists, if they had really
been able to make mankind virtuous? Would they not have been as unwilling
to part with them as with gold, and have compelled them to stay Eat home
with them? Or, if the master would not stay, then the disciples would have
followed him about everywhere, until they had got education enough?
Yes, Socrates, that, I think, is quite true.
The poets, like the painters, are but imitators;
Then must we not infer that all these poetical individuals, beginning with
Homer, are only imitators; they copy images 601of virtue and the like, but
the truth they never reach? The poet is like a painter who, as we have
already observed, will make a likeness of a cobbler though he understands
nothing of cobbling; and his picture is good enough for those who know no
more than he does, and judge only by colours and figures.
Quite so.
In like manner the poet with his words and phrases2 may be said to lay on
the colours of the several arts, himself understanding their nature only
enough to imitate them; and other people, who are as ignorant as he is,
and judge only from his words, imagine that if he speaks of cobbling, or
of military tactics, or of anything else, in metre and harmony Band rhythm,
he speaks very well—such is the sweet influence which melody and
rhythm by nature have. And I think that you must have observed again and
again what a poor appearance the tales of poets make when stripped of the
colours which music puts upon them, and recited in simple prose.
Yes, he said.
They are like faces which were never really beautiful, but only blooming;
and now the bloom of youth has passed away from them?
Exactly.
they know nothing of true existence.
Here is another point: The imitator or maker of the image knows nothing of
true existence; he knows appearances only. CAm I not right?
Yes.
Then let us have a clear understanding, and not be satisfied with half an
explanation.
Proceed.
Of the painter we say that he will paint reins, and he will paint a bit?
Yes.
And the worker in leather and brass will make them?
Certainly.
The maker has more knowledge than the imitator, but less than the user. Three arts, using, making, imitating.
But does the painter know the right form of the bit and reins? Nay, hardly
even the workers in brass and leather who make them; only the horseman who
knows how to use them—he knows their right form.
Most true.
And may we not say the same of all things?
What?
D
That there are three arts which are concerned with all things: one which
uses, another which makes, a third which imitates them?
Yes.
Goodness of things relative to use; hence the maker of them is instructed by the user.
And the excellence or beauty or truth of every structure, animate or
inanimate, and of every action of man, is relative to the use for which
nature or the artist has intended them.
True.
Then the user of them must have the greatest experience of them, and he
must indicate to the maker the good or bad qualities which develop
themselves in use; for example, the flute-player will tell the flute-maker
which of his flutes is satisfactory to the performer; he will tell him how
he ought Eto make them, and the other will attend to his instructions?
Of course.
The one knows and therefore speaks with authority about the goodness and
badness of flutes, while the other, confiding in him, will do what he is
told by him?
True.
The maker has belief and not knowledge, the imitator neither.
The instrument is the same, but about the excellence or badness of it the
maker will only attain to a correct belief; and this he will gain from him
who knows, by talking to him 602and being compelled to hear what he has to
say, whereas the user will have knowledge?
True.
But will the imitator have either? Will he know from use whether or no his
drawing is correct or beautiful? or will he have right opinion from being
compelled to associate with another who knows and gives him instructions
about what he should draw?
Neither.
Then he will no more have true opinion than he will have knowledge about
the goodness or badness of his imitations?
I suppose not.
The imitative artist will be in a brilliant state of intelligence about
his own creations?
Nay, very much the reverse.
B
And still he will go on imitating without knowing what makes a thing good
or bad, and may be expected therefore to imitate only that which appears
to be good to the ignorant multitude?
Just so.
Thus far then we are pretty well agreed that the imitator has no knowledge
worth mentioning of what he imitates. Imitation is only a kind of play or
sport, and the tragic poets, whether they write in Iambic or in Heroic
verse, are imitators in the highest degree?
Very true.
C Imitation has been proved to be thrice removed from the truth.
And now tell me, I conjure you, has not imitation been shown by us to be
concerned with that which is thrice removed from the truth?
Certainly.
And what is the faculty in man to which imitation is addressed?
What do you mean?
I will explain: The body which is large when seen near, appears small when
seen at a distance?
True.
And the same object appears straight when looked at out of the water, and
crooked when in the water; and the concave becomes convex, owing to the
illusion about colours to which the sight is liable. Thus every sort of
confusion is revealed within us; Dand this is that weakness of the human
mind on which the art of conjuring and of deceiving by light and shadow
and other ingenious devices imposes, having an effect upon us like magic.
True.
The art of measuring given to man that he may correct the variety of appearances.
And the arts of measuring and numbering and weighing come to the rescue of
the human understanding—there is the beauty of them—and the
apparent greater or less, or more or heavier, no longer have the mastery
over us, but give way before calculation and measure and weight?
Most true.
E
And this, surely, must be the work of the calculating and rational
principle in the soul?
To be sure.
And when this principle measures and certifies that some things are equal,
or that some are greater or less than others, there occurs an apparent
contradiction?
True.
But were we not saying that such a contradiction is impossible—the
same faculty cannot have contrary opinions at the same time about the same
thing?
Very true.
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Then that part of the soul which has an opinion contrary to measure is not
the same with that which has an opinion in accordance with measure?
True.
And the better part of the soul is likely to be that which trusts to
measure and calculation?
Certainly.
And that which is opposed to them is one of the inferior principles of the
soul?
No doubt.
This was the conclusion at which I was seeking to arrive when I said that
painting or drawing, and imitation in general, when doing their own proper
work, are far removed from truth, and the companions and friends and
associates of Ba principle within us which is equally removed from reason,
and that they have no true or healthy aim.
Exactly.
The productions of the imitative arts are bastard and illegitimate.
The imitative art is an inferior who marries an inferior, and has inferior
offspring.
Very true.
And is this confined to the sight only, or does it extend to the hearing
also, relating in fact to what we term poetry?
Probably the same would be true of poetry.
Do not rely, I said, on a probability derived from the analogy of
painting; but let us examine further and see Cwhether the faculty with
which poetical imitation is concerned is good or bad.
By all means.
We may state the question thus:—Imitation imitates the actions of
men, whether voluntary or involuntary, on which, as they imagine, a good
or bad result has ensued, and they rejoice or sorrow accordingly. Is there
anything more?
No, there is nothing else.
They imitate opposites;
But in all this variety of circumstances is the man at unity Dwith himself—or
rather, as in the instance of sight there was confusion and opposition in
his opinions about the same things, so here also is there not strife and
inconsistency in his life? Though I need hardly raise the question again,
for I remember that all this has been already admitted; and the soul has
been acknowledged by us to be full of these and ten thousand similar
oppositions occurring at the same moment?
And we were right, he said.
Yes, I said, thus far we were right; but there was an Eomission which must
now be supplied.
What was the omission?
Were we not saying that a good man, who has the misfortune to lose his son
or anything else which is most dear to him, will bear the loss with more
equanimity than another?
Yes.
they encourage weakness;
But will he have no sorrow, or shall we say that although he cannot help
sorrowing, he will moderate his sorrow?
The latter, he said, is the truer statement.
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Tell me: will he be more likely to struggle and hold out against his
sorrow when he is seen by his equals, or when he is alone?
It will make a great difference whether he is seen or not.
When he is by himself he will not mind saying or doing many things which
he would be ashamed of any one hearing or seeing him do?
True.
There is a principle of law and reason in him which bids him resist, as
well as a feeling of his misfortune which is Bforcing him to indulge his
sorrow?
True.
But when a man is drawn in two opposite directions, to and from the same
object, this, as we affirm, necessarily implies two distinct principles in
him?
Certainly.
One of them is ready to follow the guidance of the law?
How do you mean?
they are at variance with the exhortations of philosophy;
The law would say that to be patient under suffering is best, and that we
should not give way to impatience, as there is no knowing whether such
things are good or evil; and nothing is gained by impatience; also,
because no human Cthing is of serious importance, and grief stands in the
way of that which at the moment is most required.
What is most required? he asked.
That we should take counsel about what has happened, and when the dice
have been thrown order our affairs in the way which reason deems best;
not, like children who have had a fall, keeping hold of the part struck
and wasting time in setting up a howl, but always accustoming the soul
forthwith Dto apply a remedy, raising up that which is sickly and fallen,
banishing the cry of sorrow by the healing art.
Yes, he said, that is the true way of meeting the attacks of fortune.
Yes, I said; and the higher principle is ready to follow this suggestion
of reason?
Clearly.
they recall trouble and sorrow;
And the other principle, which inclines us to recollection of our troubles
and to lamentation, and can never have enough of them, we may call
irrational, useless, and cowardly?
Indeed, we may.
E
And does not the latter—I mean the rebellious principle—furnish
a great variety of materials for imitation? Whereas the wise and calm
temperament, being always nearly equable, is not easy to imitate or to
appreciate when imitated, especially at a public festival when a
promiscuous crowd is assembled in a theatre. For the feeling represented
is one to which they are strangers.
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Certainly.
Then the imitative poet who aims at being popular is not by nature made,
nor is his art intended, to please or to affect the rational principle in
the soul; but he will prefer the passionate and fitful temper, which is
easily imitated?
Clearly.
they minister in an inferior manner to an inferior principle in the soul.
And now we may fairly take him and place him by the side of the painter,
for he is like him in two ways: first, inasmuch as his creations have an
inferior degree of truth—in this, BI say, he is like him; and he is
also like him in being concerned with an inferior part of the soul; and
therefore we shall be right in refusing to admit him into a well-ordered
State, because he awakens and nourishes and strengthens the feelings and
impairs the reason. As in a city when the evil are permitted to have
authority and the good are put out of the way, so in the soul of man, as
we maintain, the imitative poet implants an evil constitution, for he
indulges the Cirrational nature which has no discernment of greater and
less, but thinks the same thing at one time great and at another small—he
is a manufacturer of images and is very far removed from the truth3.
Exactly.
But we have not yet brought forward the heaviest count in our accusation:—the
power which poetry has of harming even the good (and there are very few
who are not harmed), is surely an awful thing?
Yes, certainly, if the effect is what you say.
How can we be right in sympathizing with the sorrows of poetry when we would fain restrain those of real life?
Hear and judge: The best of us, as I conceive, when we listen to a passage
of Homer, or one of the tragedians, in Dwhich he represents some pitiful
hero who is drawling out his sorrows in a long oration, or weeping, and
smiting his breast—the best of us, you know, delight in giving way
to sympathy, and are in raptures at the excellence of the poet who stirs
our feelings most.
Yes, of course I know.
But when any sorrow of our own happens to us, then you may observe that we
pride ourselves on the opposite quality—we would fain be quiet and
patient; this is the manly part, Eand the other which delighted us in the
recitation is now deemed to be the part of a woman.
Very true, he said.
Now can we be right in praising and admiring another who is doing that
which any one of us would abominate and be ashamed of in his own person?
No, he said, that is certainly not reasonable.
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Nay, I said, quite reasonable from one point of view.
What point of view?
We fail to observe that a sentimental pity soon creates a real weakness.
If you consider, I said, that when in misfortune we feel a natural hunger
and desire to relieve our sorrow by weeping and lamentation, and that this
feeling which is kept under control in our own calamities is satisfied and
delighted by the poets;—the better nature in each of us, not having
been sufficiently trained by reason or habit, allows the sympathetic
Belement to break loose because the sorrow is another’s; and the spectator
fancies that there can be no disgrace to himself in praising and pitying
any one who comes telling him what a good man he is, and making a fuss
about his troubles; he thinks that the pleasure is a gain, and why should
he be supercilious and lose this and the poem too? Few persons ever
reflect, as I should imagine, that from the evil of other men something of
evil is communicated to themselves. And so the feeling of sorrow which has
gathered strength at the sight of the misfortunes of others is with
difficulty repressed in our own.
C
How very true!
In like manner the love of comedy may turn a man into a buffoon.
And does not the same hold also of the ridiculous? There are jests which
you would be ashamed to make yourself, and yet on the comic stage, or
indeed in private, when you hear them, you are greatly amused by them, and
are not at all disgusted at their unseemliness;—the case of pity is
repeated;—there is a principle in human nature which is disposed to
raise a laugh, and this which you once restrained by reason, because you
were afraid of being thought a buffoon, is now let out again; and having
stimulated the risible faculty at the theatre, you are betrayed
unconsciously to yourself into playing the comic poet at home.
Quite true, he said.
D
And the same may be said of lust and anger and all the other affections,
of desire and pain and pleasure, which are held to be inseparable from
every action—in all of them poetry feeds and waters the passions
instead of drying them up; she lets them rule, although they ought to be
controlled, if mankind are ever to increase in happiness and virtue.
I cannot deny it.
E We are lovers of Homer, but we must expel him from our State.
Therefore, Glaucon, I said, whenever you meet with any of the eulogists of
Homer declaring that he has been the educator of Hellas, and that he is
profitable for education and for the ordering of human things, and that
you should 607take him up again and again and get to know him and regulate
your whole life according to him, we may love and honour those who say
these things—they are excellent people, as far as their lights
extend; and we are ready to acknowledge that Homer is the greatest of
poets and first of tragedy writers; but we must remain firm in our
conviction that hymns to the gods and praises of famous men are the only
poetry which ought to be admitted into our State. For if you go beyond
this and allow the honeyed muse to enter, either in epic or lyric verse,
not law and the reason of mankind, which by common consent have ever been
deemed best, but pleasure and pain will be the rulers in our State.
That is most true, he said.
B Apology to the poets.
And now since we have reverted to the subject of poetry, let this our
defence serve to show the reasonableness of our former judgment in sending
away out of our State an art having the tendencies which we have
described; for reason constrained us. But that she may not impute to us
any harshness or want of politeness, let us tell her that there is an
ancient quarrel between philosophy and poetry; of which there are many
proofs, such as the saying of ‘the yelping hound howling at her lord,’ or
of one ‘mighty in Cthe vain talk of fools,’ and ‘the mob of sages
circumventing Zeus,’ and the ‘subtle thinkers who are beggars after all’;
and there are innumerable other signs of ancient enmity between them.
Notwithstanding this, let us assure our sweet friend and the sister arts
of imitation, that if she will only prove her title to exist in a
well-ordered State we shall be delighted to receive her—we are very
conscious of her charms; but we may not on that account betray the truth.
I dare say, Glaucon, that you are as much charmed by her Das I am,
especially when she appears in Homer?
Yes, indeed, I am greatly charmed.
Shall I propose, then, that she be allowed to return from exile, but upon
this condition only—that she make a defence of herself in lyrical or
some other metre?
Certainly.
And we may further grant to those of her defenders who are lovers of
poetry and yet not poets the permission to speak in prose on her behalf:
let them show not only that she is pleasant but also useful to States and
to human life, and we will listen in a kindly spirit; for if this can be
proved Ewe shall surely be the gainers—I mean, if there is a use in
poetry as well as a delight?
Certainly, he said, we shall be the gainers.
If her defence fails, then, my dear friend, like other persons who are
enamoured of something, but put a restraint upon themselves when they
think their desires are opposed to their interests, so too must we after
the manner of lovers give her up, though not without a struggle. Poetry is attractive but not true.We too
are inspired by that love of poetry which the education 608of noble States
has implanted in us, and therefore we would have her appear at her best
and truest; but so long as she is unable to make good her defence, this
argument of ours shall be a charm to us, which we will repeat to ourselves
while we listen to her strains; that we may not fall away into the
childish love of her which captivates the many. At all events we are well
aware4 that poetry being such as we have described is not to be regarded
seriously as attaining to the truth; and he who listens to her, fearing
for the safety of the Bcity which is within him, should be on his guard
against her seductions and make our words his law.
Yes, he said, I quite agree with you.
Yes, I said, my dear Glaucon, for great is the issue at stake, greater
than appears, whether a man is to be good or bad. And what will any one be
profited if under the influence of honour or money or power, aye, or under
the excitement of poetry, he neglect justice and virtue?
Yes, he said; I have been convinced by the argument, as I believe that any
one else would have been.
C
And yet no mention has been made of the greatest prizes and rewards which
await virtue.
What, are there any greater still? If there are, they must be of an
inconceivable greatness.
The rewards of virtue extend not only to this little space of human life but to the whole of existence.
Why, I said, what was ever great in a short time? The whole period of
three score years and ten is surely but a little thing in comparison with
eternity?
Say rather ‘nothing,’ he replied.
And should an immortal being seriously think of this little Dspace rather
than of the whole?
Of the whole, certainly. But why do you ask?
Are you not aware, I said, that the soul of man is immortal and
imperishable?
He looked at me in astonishment, and said: No, by heaven: And are you
really prepared to maintain this?
Yes, I said, I ought to be, and you too—there is no difficulty in
proving it.
I see a great difficulty; but I should like to hear you state this
argument of which you make so light.
Listen then.
I am attending.
There is a thing which you call good and another which you call evil?
Yes, he replied.
E
Would you agree with me in thinking that the corrupting and destroying
element is the evil, and the saving and improving element the good?
Yes.
Everything has a good and an evil, and if not destroyed by its own evil, will not be destroyed by that of another.
And you admit that every thing has a good and also an evil; 609as ophthalmia
is the evil of the eyes and disease of the whole body; as mildew is of
corn, and rot of timber, or rust of copper and iron: in everything, or in
almost everything, there is an inherent evil and disease?
Yes, he said.
And anything which is infected by any of these evils is made evil, and at
last wholly dissolves and dies?
True.
The vice and evil which is inherent in each is the destruction of each;
and if this does not destroy them there is nothing else that will; Bfor
good certainly will not destroy them, nor again, that which is neither
good nor evil.
Certainly not.
If, then, we find any nature which having this inherent corruption cannot
be dissolved or destroyed, we may be certain that of such a nature there
is no destruction?
That may be assumed.
Well, I said, and is there no evil which corrupts the soul?
Yes, he said, there are all the evils which we were just now Cpassing in
review: unrighteousness, intemperance, cowardice, ignorance.
Therefore, if the soul cannot be destroyed by moral evil, she certainly will not be destroyed by physical evil.
But does any of these dissolve or destroy her?—and here do not let
us fall into the error of supposing that the unjust and foolish man, when
he is detected, perishes through his own injustice, which is an evil of
the soul. Take the analogy of the body: The evil of the body is a disease
which wastes and reduces and annihilates the body; and all the things of
which we were just now speaking come to annihilation Dthrough their own
corruption attaching to them and inhering in them and so destroying them.
Is not this true?
Yes.
Consider the soul in like manner. Does the injustice or other evil which
exists in the soul waste and consume her? Do they by attaching to the soul
and inhering in her at last bring her to death, and so separate her from
the body?
Certainly not.
And yet, I said, it is unreasonable to suppose that anything can perish
from without through affection of external evil which could not be
destroyed from within by a corruption of its own?
It is, he replied.
E
Consider, I said, Glaucon, that even the badness of food, whether
staleness, decomposition, or any other bad quality, when confined to the
actual food, is not supposed to destroy the body; although, if the badness
of food communicates corruption to the body, then we should say that the
body 610has been destroyed by a corruption of itself, which is disease,
brought on by this; but that the body, being one thing, can be destroyed
by the badness of food, which is another, and which does not engender any
natural infection—this we shall absolutely deny?
Very true.
Evil means the contagion of evil, and the evil of the body does not infect the soul.
And, on the same principle, unless some bodily evil can produce an evil of
the soul, we must not suppose that the soul, which is one thing, can be
dissolved by any merely external evil which belongs to another?
Yes, he said, there is reason in that.
Either, then, let us refute this conclusion, or, while it Bremains
unrefuted, let us never say that fever, or any other disease, or the knife
put to the throat, or even the cutting up of the whole body into the
minutest pieces, can destroy the soul, until she herself is proved to
become more unholy or unrighteous in consequence of these things being
done to the body; but that the soul, or anything else if not destroyed Cby
an internal evil, can be destroyed by an external one, is not to be
affirmed by any man.
And surely, he replied, no one will ever prove that the souls of men
become more unjust in consequence of death.
But if some one who would rather not admit the immortality of the soul
boldly denies this, and says that the dying do really become more evil and
unrighteous, then, if the speaker is right, I suppose that injustice, like
disease, must be assumed to be fatal to the unjust, and that those who
take Dthis disorder die by the natural inherent power of destruction which
evil has, and which kills them sooner or later, but in quite another way
from that in which, at present, the wicked receive death at the hands of
others as the penalty of their deeds?
Nay, he said, in that case injustice, if fatal to the unjust, will not be
so very terrible to him, for he will be delivered from evil. But I rather
suspect the opposite to be the truth, Eand that injustice which, if it have
the power, will murder others, keeps the murderer alive—aye, and
well awake too; so far removed is her dwelling-place from being a house of
death.
True, I said; if the inherent natural vice or evil of the soul is unable
to kill or destroy her, hardly will that which is appointed to be the
destruction of some other body, destroy a soul or anything else except
that of which it was appointed to be the destruction.
Yes, that can hardly be.
But the soul which cannot be destroyed by an evil, whether 611inherent or
external, must exist for ever, and if existing for ever, must be immortal?
Certainly.
If the soul is indestructible, the number of souls can never increase or diminish.
That is the conclusion, I said; and, if a true conclusion, then the souls
must always be the same, for if none be destroyed they will not diminish
in number. Neither will they increase, for the increase of the immortal
natures must come from something mortal, and all things would thus end in
immortality.
Very true.
But this we cannot believe—reason will not allow us—any Bmore
than we can believe the soul, in her truest nature, to be full of variety
and difference and dissimilarity.
What do you mean? he said.
The soul, I said, being, as is now proven, immortal, must be the fairest
of compositions and cannot be compounded of many elements?
Certainly not.
The soul, if she is to be seen truly, should be stripped of the accidents of earth.
Her immortality is demonstrated by the previous argument, and there are
many other proofs; but to see her as she Creally is, not as we now behold
her, marred by communion with the body and other miseries, you must
contemplate her with the eye of reason, in her original purity; and then
her beauty will be revealed, and justice and injustice and all the things
which we have described will be manifested more clearly. Thus far, we have
spoken the truth concerning her as she appears at present, but we must
remember also that we have seen her only in a condition which may be
compared to Dthat of the sea-god Glaucus, whose original image can hardly
be discerned because his natural members are broken off and crushed and
damaged by the waves in all sorts of ways, and incrustations have grown
over them of seaweed and shells and stones, so that he is more like some
monster than he is to his own natural form. And the soul which we behold
is in a similar condition, disfigured by ten thousand ills. But not there,
Glaucon, not there must we look.
Where then?
E Her true conversation is with the eternal.
At her love of wisdom. Let us see whom she affects, and what society and
converse she seeks in virtue of her near kindred with the immortal and
eternal and divine; also how different she would become if wholly
following this superior principle, and borne by a divine impulse out of
the ocean in which she now is, and disengaged from the stones and shells
and things of earth and rock which in wild variety spring up 612around her
because she feeds upon earth, and is overgrown by the good things of this
life as they are termed: then you would see her as she is, and know
whether she have one shape only or many, or what her nature is. Of her
affections and of the forms which she takes in this present life I think
that we have now said enough.
True, he replied.
Having put aside for argument’s sake the rewards of virtue, we may now claim to have them restored.
And thus, I said, we have fulfilled the conditions of the argument5; Bwe
have not introduced the rewards and glories of justice, which, as you were
saying, are to be found in Homer and Hesiod; but justice in her own nature
has been shown to be best for the soul in her own nature. Let a man do
what is just, whether he have the ring of Gyges or not, and even if in
addition to the ring of Gyges he put on the helmet of Hades.
Very true.
And now, Glaucon, there will be no harm in further enumerating how many
and how great are the rewards which Cjustice and the other virtues procure
to the soul from gods and men, both in life and after death.
Certainly not, he said.
Will you repay me, then, what you borrowed in the argument?
What did I borrow?
The assumption that the just man should appear unjust and the unjust just:
for you were of opinion that even if the true state of the case could not
possibly escape the eyes of gods and men, still this admission ought to be
made for the sake of the argument, in order that pure justice might be
Dweighed against pure injustice. Do you remember?
I should be much to blame if I had forgotten.
Then, as the cause is decided, I demand on behalf of justice that the
estimation in which she is held by gods and men and which we acknowledge
to be her due should now be restored to her by us6; since she has been
shown to confer reality, and not to deceive those who truly possess her,
let what has been taken from her be given back, that so she may win that
palm of appearance which is hers also, and which she gives to her own.
E
The demand, he said, is just.
In the first place, I said—and this is the first thing which you
will have to give back—the nature both of the just and unjust is
truly known to the gods.
Granted.
The just man is the friend of the gods, and all things work together for his good.
And if they are both known to them, one must be the friend and the other
the enemy of the gods, as we admitted from the beginning?
True.
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And the friend of the gods may be supposed to receive from them all things
at their best, excepting only such evil as is the necessary consequence of
former sins?
Certainly.
Then this must be our notion of the just man, that even when he is in
poverty or sickness, or any other seeming misfortune, all things will in
the end work together for good to him in life and death: for the gods have
a care of any one whose desire is to become just and to be like God, as
far as Bman can attain the divine likeness, by the pursuit of virtue?
Yes, he said; if he is like God he will surely not be neglected by him.
The unjust is the opposite.
And of the unjust may not the opposite be supposed?
Certainly.
Such, then, are the palms of victory which the gods give the just?
That is my conviction.
He may be compared to a runner who is only good at the start.
And what do they receive of men? Look at things as they really are, and
you will see that the clever unjust are in the case of runners, who run
well from the starting-place to the goal but not back again from the goal:
they go off at a great pace, Cbut in the end only look foolish, slinking
away with their ears draggling on their shoulders, and without a crown;
but the true runner comes to the finish and receives the prize and is
crowned. And this is the way with the just; he who endures to the end of
every action and occasion of his entire life has a good report and carries
off the prize which men have to bestow.
True.
Recapitulation of things unfit for ears polite which had been described by Glaucon in Book II.
And now you must allow me to repeat of the just the blessings which you
were attributing to the fortunate unjust. DI shall say of them, what you
were saying of the others, that as they grow older, they become rulers in
their own city if they care to be; they marry whom they like and give in
marriage to whom they will; all that you said of the others I now say of
these. And, on the other hand, of the unjust I say that the greater
number, even though they escape in their youth, are found out at last and
look foolish at the end of their course, and when they come to be old and
miserable are flouted alike by stranger and citizen; they are beaten and
Ethen come those things unfit for ears polite, as you truly term them; they
will be racked and have their eyes burned out, as you were saying. And you
may suppose that I have repeated the remainder of your tale of horrors.
But will you let me assume, without reciting them, that these things are
true?
Certainly, he said, what you say is true.
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These, then, are the prizes and rewards and gifts which are bestowed upon
the just by gods and men in this present life, in addition to the other
good things which justice of herself provides.
Yes, he said; and they are fair and lasting.
And yet, I said, all these are as nothing either in number or greatness in
comparison with those other recompenses which await both just and unjust
after death. And you ought to hear them, and then both just and unjust
will have received from us a full payment of the debt which the argument
owes to them.
B
Speak, he said; there are few things which I would more gladly hear.
SOCRATES.The vision of Er.
Well, I said, I will tell you a tale; not one of the tales which Odysseus
tells to the hero Alcinous, yet this too is a tale of a hero, Er the son
of Armenius, a Pamphylian by birth. He was slain in battle, and ten days
afterwards, when the bodies of the dead were taken up already in a state
of corruption, his body was found unaffected by decay, and carried away
home to be buried. And on the twelfth day, as he was lying on the funeral
pile, he returned to life and told them what he had seen in the other
world. The judgement.He said that when his soul left the body he went on a journey with
a great company, Cand that they came to a mysterious place at which there
were two openings in the earth; they were near together, and over against
them were two other openings in the heaven above. The two openings
in heaven and the two in earth through which passed those who were
beginning and those who had completed their pilgrimage.In the intermediate
space there were judges seated, who commanded the just, after they had
given judgment on them and had bound their sentences in front of them, to
ascend by the heavenly way on the right hand; and in like manner the
unjust were bidden by them to descend by the lower way on the left hand;
these also bore the symbols of their deeds, but fastened on their backs.
He drew near, Dand they told him that he was to be the messenger who would
carry the report of the other world to men, and they bade him hear and see
all that was to be heard and seen in that place. Then he beheld and saw on
one side the souls departing at either opening of heaven and earth when
sentence had been given on them; and at the two other openings other
souls, some ascending out of the earth dusty and worn with travel, some
descending out of heaven clean and bright. And Earriving ever and anon they
seemed to have come from a long journey, and they went forth with gladness
into the meadow, where they encamped as at a festival; and those who knew
one another embraced and conversed, the souls which came from earth
curiously enquiring about the things above, The meeting in the meadow.and the souls which came from
heaven about the things beneath. And they told one another of what had
happened by the way, those from below weeping and sorrowing 615at the
remembrance of the things which they had endured and seen in their journey
beneath the earth (now the journey lasted a thousand years), while those
from above were describing heavenly delights and visions of inconceivable
beauty. The story, Glaucon, would take too long to tell; but the sum was
this:—The punishment tenfold the sin.He said that for every wrong which they had done to any one
they suffered tenfold; or once in a hundred years—such being
reckoned to be the length Bof man’s life, and the penalty being thus paid
ten times in a thousand years. If, for example, there were any who had
been the cause of many deaths, or had betrayed or enslaved cities or
armies, or been guilty of any other evil behaviour, for each and all of
their offences they received punishment ten times over, and the rewards of
beneficence and justice and Choliness were in the same proportion. ‘Unbaptized infants.’/I need
hardly repeat what he said concerning young children dying almost as soon
as they were born. Of piety and impiety to gods and parents, and of
murderers7, there were retributions other and greater far which he
described. He mentioned that he was present when one of the spirits asked
another, ‘Where is Ardiaeus the Great?’ Ardiaeus the tyrant.(Now this Ardiaeus lived a
thousand years before the time of Er: he had been the tyrant of some city
of Pamphylia, and had murdered his aged father and his elder brother, Dand
was said to have committed many other abominable crimes.) The answer of
the other spirit was: ‘He comes not hither and will never come. And this,’
said he, ‘was one of the dreadful sights which we ourselves witnessed. We
were at the mouth of the cavern, and, having completed all our
experiences, were about to reascend, when of a sudden Ardiaeus appeared
and several others, most of whom were tyrants; and there were also besides
the tyrants private individuals Ewho had been great criminals: they were
just, as they fancied, about to return into the upper world, but the
mouth, instead of admitting them, gave a roar, whenever any of these
Incurable sinners.incurable sinners or some one who had not been sufficiently punished tried
to ascend; and then wild men of fiery aspect, who were standing by and
heard the sound, 616seized and carried them off; and Ardiaeus and others they
bound head and foot and hand, and threw them down and flayed them with
scourges, and dragged them along the road at the side, carding them on
thorns like wool, and declaring to the passers-by what were their crimes,
and that8 they were being taken away to be cast into hell.’ And of all the
many terrors which they had endured, he said that there was none like the
terror which each of them felt at that moment, lest they should hear the
voice; and when there was silence, one by one they ascended with exceeding
joy. These, said Er, were the penalties and retributions, and there were
blessings as great.
B
Now when the spirits which were in the meadow had tarried seven days, on
the eighth they were obliged to proceed on their journey, and, on the
fourth day after, he said that they came to a place where they could see
from above a line of light, straight as a column, extending right through
the whole heaven and through the earth, in colour resembling the rainbow,
only brighter and purer; another day’s journey brought them to the place,
and there, in the Cmidst of the light, they saw the ends of the chains of
heaven let down from above: for this light is the belt of heaven, and
holds together the circle of the universe, like the under-girders of a
trireme. From these ends is extended the spindle of Necessity, on which
all the revolutions turn. The shaft and hook of this spindle are made of
steel, and the whorl is made partly of steel and also partly of other
materials. DThe whorls representing the spheres of the heavenly bodies.Now the whorl is in form like the whorl used on earth; and the
description of it implied that there is one large hollow whorl which is
quite scooped out, and into this is fitted another lesser one, and
another, and another, and four others, making eight in all, like vessels
which fit into one another; the whorls show their edges on the upper side,
and on their Elower side all together form one continuous whorl. This is
pierced by the spindle, which is driven home through the centre of the
eighth. The first and outermost whorl has the rim broadest, and the seven
inner whorls are narrower, in the following proportions—the sixth is
next to the first in size, the fourth next to the sixth; then comes the
eighth; the seventh is fifth, the fifth is sixth, the third is seventh,
last and eighth comes the second. The largest [or fixed stars] is
spangled, and the seventh [or sun] is brightest; the eighth [or moon]
617coloured by the reflected light of the seventh; the second and fifth
[Saturn and Mercury] are in colour like one another, and yellower than the
preceding; the third [Venus] has the whitest light; the fourth [Mars] is
reddish; the sixth [Jupiter] is in whiteness second. Now the whole spindle
has the same motion; but, as the whole revolves in one direction, the
seven inner circles move slowly in the other, and of these the swiftest is
the eighth; next in swiftness are the Bseventh, sixth, and fifth, which
move together; third in swiftness appeared to move according to the law of
this reversed motion the fourth; the third appeared fourth and the second
fifth. The spindle turns on the knees of Necessity; and on the upper
surface of each circle is a siren, who goes round with them, hymning a
single tone or note. The eight together form one harmony; and round about,
at equal intervals, Cthere is another band, three in number, each sitting
upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity, who are
clothed in white robes and have chaplets upon their heads, Lachesis and
Clotho and Atropos, who accompany with their voices the harmony of the
sirens—Lachesis singing of the past, Clotho of the present, Atropos
of the future; Clotho from time to time assisting with a touch of her
right hand the revolution of the outer circle of the whorl or spindle, and
Atropos with her left hand touching and guiding the inner ones, and
Lachesis laying Dhold of either in turn, first with one hand and then with
the other.
When Er and the spirits arrived, their duty was to go at once to Lachesis;
but first of all there came a prophet who arranged them in order; then he
took from the knees of Lachesis lots and samples of lives, and having
mounted a high pulpit, spoke as follows: The proclamation of the free choice.‘Hear the word of Lachesis, the
daughter of Necessity. Mortal souls, behold a new cycle of life and
mortality. Your genius will not be allotted to you, Ebut you will choose
your genius; and let him who draws the first lot have the first choice,
and the life which he chooses shall be his destiny. Virtue is free, and as
a man honours or dishonours her he will have more or less of her; the
responsibility is with the chooser—God is justified.’ When the
Interpreter had thus spoken he scattered lots indifferently among them
all, and each of them took up the lot which fell near him, all but Er
himself (he was not allowed), and each as he took his lot perceived the
number which he had obtained. 618Then the Interpreter placed on the ground
before them the samples of lives; and there were many more lives than the
souls present, and they were of all sorts. There were lives of every
animal and of man in every condition. And there were tyrannies among them,
some lasting out the tyrant’s life, others which broke off in the middle
and came to an end in poverty and exile and beggary; and there were lives
of famous men, some who were famous for their form and beauty as well as
for their strength and success in games, Bor, again, for their birth and
the qualities of their ancestors; and some who were the reverse of famous
for the opposite qualities. And of women likewise; there was not, however,
any definite character in them, because the soul, when choosing a new
life, must of necessity become different. But there was every other
quality, and the all mingled with one another, and also with elements of
wealth and poverty, and disease and health; and there were mean states
also. And here, my dear Glaucon, is the supreme peril of our human state;
and therefore the utmost care should be taken. The complexity of circumstances,CLet each one of us leave
every other kind of knowledge and seek and follow one thing only, if
peradventure he may be able to learn and may find some one who will make
him able to learn and discern between good and evil, and so to choose
always and everywhere the better life as he has opportunity. He should
consider the bearing of all these things which have been mentioned
severally and collectively upon virtue; and their relation to the human soul.he should know what the effect of
beauty is when combined with poverty or wealth in a Dparticular soul, and
what are the good and evil consequences of noble and humble birth, of
private and public station, of strength and weakness, of cleverness and
dullness, and of all the natural and acquired gifts of the soul, and the
operation of them when conjoined; he will then look at the nature of the
soul, and from the consideration of all these qualities he will be able to
determine which is the better and which is the worse; and so he will
choose, giving the name Eof evil to the life which will make his soul more
unjust, and good to the life which will make his soul more just; all else
he will disregard. For we have seen and know that this is 619the best choice
both in life and after death. A man must take with him into the world
below an adamantine faith in truth and right, that there too he may be
undazzled by the desire of wealth or the other allurements of evil, lest,
coming upon tyrannies and similar villainies, he do irremediable wrongs to
others and suffer yet worse himself; but let him know how to choose the
mean and avoid the extremes on either side, as far as possible, not only
in this life but in all Bthat which is to come. For this is the way of
happiness.
And according to the report of the messenger from the other world this was
what the prophet said at the time: ‘Even for the last comer, if he chooses
wisely and will live diligently, there is appointed a happy and not
undesirable existence. Let not him who chooses first be careless, and let
not the last despair.’ And when he had spoken, he who had the first choice
came forward and in a moment chose the greatest tyranny; his mind having
been darkened by folly and sensuality, he had not thought out the whole
matter before he chose, and did not at first sight perceive that he Cwas
fated, among other evils, to devour his own children. But when he had time
to reflect, and saw what was in the lot, he began to beat his breast and
lament over his choice, forgetting the proclamation of the prophet; for,
instead of throwing the blame of his misfortune on himself, he accused
chance and the gods, and everything rather than himself. Habit not enough without philosophy when circumstances change.Now he was one of
those who came from heaven, and in a former life had dwelt in a
well-ordered State, but his virtue Dwas a matter of habit only, and he had
no philosophy. And it was true of others who were similarly overtaken,
that the greater number of them came from heaven and therefore they had
never been schooled by trial, whereas the pilgrims who came from earth
having themselves suffered and seen others suffer, were not in a hurry to
choose. And owing to this inexperience of theirs, and also because the lot
was a chance, many of the souls exchanged a good destiny for an evil or an
evil for a good. For if a man had always on his arrival in this world
dedicated himself from the first to sound philosophy, Eand had been
moderately fortunate in the number of the lot, he might, as the messenger
reported, be happy here, and also his journey to another life and return
to this, instead of being rough and underground, would be smooth and
heavenly. The spectacle of the election.Most curious, he said, was the spectacle—sad and laughable
and strange; for the choice of the souls 620was in most cases based on their
experience of a previous life. There he saw the soul which had once been
Orpheus choosing the life of a swan out of enmity to the race of women,
hating to be born of a woman because they had been his murderers; he
beheld also the soul of Thamyras choosing the life of a nightingale;
birds, on the other hand, like the swan and other musicians, wanting to be
men. The Bsoul which obtained the twentieth9 lot chose the life of a lion,
and this was the soul of Ajax the son of Telamon, who would not be a man,
remembering the injustice which was done him in the judgment about the
arms. The next was Agamemnon, who took the life of an eagle, because, like
Ajax, he hated human nature by reason of his sufferings. About the middle
came the lot of Atalanta; she, seeing the great fame of an athlete, was
unable to resist the temptation: and after her Cthere followed the soul of
Epeus the son of Panopeus passing into the nature of a woman cunning in
the arts; and far away among the last who chose, the soul of the jester
Thersites was putting on the form of a monkey. There came also the soul of
Odysseus having yet to make a choice, and his lot happened to be the last
of them all. Now the recollection of former toils had disenchanted him of
ambition, and he went about for a considerable time in search of the life
of a private man who had no cares; he had some difficulty in finding this,
which was lying about and had been neglected by everybody else; Dand when
he saw it, he said that he would have done the same had his lot been first
instead of last, and that he was delighted to have it. And not only did
men pass into animals, but I must also mention that there were animals
tame and wild who changed into one another and into corresponding human
natures—the good into the gentle and the evil into the savage, in
all sorts of combinations.
All the souls had now chosen their lives, and they went in the order of
their choice to Lachesis, who sent with them the genius whom they had
severally chosen, to be the guardian Eof their lives and the fulfiller of
the choice: this genius led the souls first to Clotho, and drew them
within the revolution of the spindle impelled by her hand, thus ratifying
the destiny of each; and then, when they were fastened to this, carried
them to Atropos, who spun the threads and made 621them irreversible, whence
without turning round they passed beneath the throne of Necessity; and
when they had all passed, they marched on in a scorching heat to the plain
of Forgetfulness, which was a barren waste destitute of trees and verdure;
and then towards evening they encamped by the river of Unmindfulness,
whose water no vessel can hold; of this they were all obliged to drink a
certain quantity, and those who were not saved by wisdom drank more than
was necessary; and each one as he drank forgot all things. BNow after they
had gone to rest, about the middle of the night there was a thunderstorm
and earthquake, and then in an instant they were driven upwards in all
manner of ways to their birth, like stars shooting. He himself was
hindered from drinking the water. But in what manner or by what means he
returned to the body he could not say; only, in the morning, awaking
suddenly, he found himself lying on the pyre.
And thus, Glaucon, the tale has been saved and has not perished, Cand will
save us if we are obedient to the word spoken; and we shall pass safely
over the river of Forgetfulness and our soul will not be defiled.
Wherefore my counsel is, that we hold fast ever to the heavenly way and
follow after justice and virtue always, considering that the soul is
immortal and able to endure every sort of good and every sort of evil.
Thus shall we live dear to one another and to the gods, both while
remaining here and when, like Dconquerors in the games who go round to
gather gifts, we receive our reward. And it shall be well with us both in
this life and in the pilgrimage of a thousand years which we have been
describing.
ABDERA, Protagoras of, 10. 600 C.
Abortion, allowed in certain cases, 5. 461 C.
Absolute beauty, 5. 476, 479; 6. 494 A, 501 B, 507 B;
—absolute good,
6. 507 B; 7. 540 A;
—absolute justice, 5. 479; 6. 501 B; 7. 517 E;
—absolute
swiftness and slowness, 7. 529 D;
—absolute temperance, 6. 501 B;
—absolute unity, 7. 524 E, 525 E;
—the absolute and the many, 6.
507.
Abstract ideas, origin of, 7. 523. Cp. Idea.
Achaeans, 3. 389 E, 390 E, 393 A, D, 394 A.
Achilles, the son of Peleus, third in descent from Zeus, 3. 391 C; his
grief, ib. 388 A; his avarice, cruelty, and insolence, ib. 390 E, 391 A, B; his master Phoenix, ib. 390 E.
Active life, age for, 7. 539, 540.
Actors, cannot perform both tragic and comic parts, 3. 395 A.
Adeimantus, son of Ariston, a person in the dialogue, 1. 327 C; his
genius, 2. 368 A; distinguished at the battle of Megara, ibid.; takes up the
discourse, ib. 362 D,
368 E, 376 D; 4. 419 A; 6. 487 A; 8. 548 E; urges Socrates to speak in
detail about the community of women and children, 5. 449.
Adrasteia, prayed to, 5. 451 A.
Adultery, 5. 461 A.
Aeschylus, quoted:—
S. c. T. 451, 8. 550 C;
″ 592, 2. 361 B, E;
″ 593 ib. 362 A;
Niobe, fr. 146, 3. 391 E;
″ fr. 151, 2. 380 A;
Xanthians, fr. 159, ib. 381 D;
Fab. incert. 266, ib. 383 B;
″ ″ 326, 8. 563 C.
Aesculapius, see Asclepius.
Affinity, degrees of, 5. 461.
Agamemnon, his dream, 2. 383 A; his
gifts to Achilles, 3. 390 E; his anger against Chryses, ib. 392 E
foll.; shown by Palamedes in the play to be a ridiculous general, 7.
522 D; his soul becomes an eagle, 10. 620 B.
Age, for active life,
7. 539, 540;
—for marriage, 5. 460;
—for philosophy, 7. 539.
Agent and
patient have the same qualities, 4. 437.
Aglaion, father of Leontius, 4. 439 E.
Agriculture, tools required for, 2. 370 C.
Ajax, the son of Telamon, 10. 620 B; the reward of his bravery, 5. 468 D; his soul turns into a lion, 10. 620 B.
Alcinous, ‘tales of,’ 10. 614 B.
Allegory, cannot be understood by the young, 2. 378 E.
Ambition, disgraceful, 1. 347 B (cp. 7. 520 D);
characteristic of the timocratic state and man, 8. 545, 548, 550 B,
553 E; easily passes into avarice, ib. 553 E; assigned
to the passionate element of the soul, 9. 581 A;
—ambitious men, 5. 475 A; 6. 485 B.
Ameles, the river ( = Lethe), 10. 621 A, C.
Amusement, a means of education, 4. 425 A; 7. 537 A.
Anacharsis, the Scythian, his inventions, 10. 600 A.
Analogy of the arts applied to rulers, 1. 341; of the arts and
justice, ib. 349; of men and animals, 2. 375; 5. 459.
Anapaestic rhythms, 3. 400 B.
Anarchy, begins in music, 4. 424 E [cp. Laws 3. 701 B]; in democracies, 8. 562 D.
Anger, stirred by injustice, 4. 440.
Animals, liberty enjoyed by, in a democracy, 8. 562 E, 563 C; choose
their destiny in the next world, 10. 620 D [cp. Phaedr. 249 B].
Anticipations of pleasure and pain, 9. 584 D.
Aphroditè, bound by Hephaestus, 3. 390 C.
Apollo, song of, at the nuptials of Thetis, 2. 383 A; Apollo and
Achilles, 3. 391 A; Chryses’ prayer to, ib. 394 A; lord of the lyre,
ib. 399 E; father of Asclepius, ib. 408 C; the God of Delphi, 4. 427 A.
Appearance, power of, 2. 365 B, 366 C.
Appetite, good and bad, 5. 475 C.
Appetites, the, 8. 559; 9. 571 (cp. 4. 439).
Appetitive element of the soul, 4. 439 [cp. Tim. 70 E]; must be
subordinate to reason and passion, 4. 442 A; 9. 571 D; may be
described as the love of gain, 9. 581 A.
Arcadia, temple of Lycaean Zeus in, 8. 565 D.
Archilochus, quoted, 2. 365 C.
Architecture, 4. 438 C; necessity of pure taste in, 3. 401.
Ardiaeus, tyrant of Pamphylia, his eternal punishment, 10. 615 C, E.
Ares and Aphroditè, 3. 390 C.
Argos, Agamemnon, king of, 3. 393 E.
Argument, the longer and the shorter method of, 4. 435; 6. 504;
misleading nature of (Adeimantus), 6. 487; youthful love of, 7. 539
[cp. Phil. 15 E]. For the personification of the argument, see
Personification.
Arion, 5. 453 E.
Aristocracy (i.e. the ideal state or government of the best), 4. 445 C (cp. 8. 544 E, 545 D, and see State); mode of its decline, 8. 546;
—the
aristocratical man, 7. 541 B; 8. 544 E (see Guardians, Philosopher, Ruler):
—(in
the ordinary sense of the word), 1. 338 D. Cp.
Constitution.
Ariston, father of Glaucon, 1. 327 A (cp. 2. 368 A).
Aristonymus, father of Cleitophon, 1. 328 B.
Arithmetic, must be learnt by the rulers, 7. 522–526; use of, in
forming ideas, ib. 524 foll. (cp. 10. 602); spirit in which it should
be pursued, 7. 525 D; common notions about, mistaken, ib. E; an
excellent instrument of education, ib. 526 [cp. Laws 5. 747];
employed in order to express the interval between the king and the
tyrant, 9. 587. Cp. Mathematics.
Armenius, father of Er, the Pamphylian, 10. 614 B.
Arms, throwing away of, disgraceful, 5. 468 A; arms of Hellenes not
to be offered as trophies in the temples, ib. 470 A.
Army needed in a state, 2. 374.
Art, influence of, on character, 3. 400 foll.;
—art of building, ib.
401 A; 4. 438 C; carpentry, 4. 428 C; calculation, 7. 524, 526 B; 10. 602;
cookery, 1. 332 C; dyeing, 4. 429 D; embroidery, 3. 401 A;
exchange, 2. 369 C; measurement, 10. 602; money-making, 1. 330; 8.
556; payment, 1. 346; tactics, 7. 522 E, 525 B; weaving, 3. 401 A; 5.
455 D; weighing, 10. 602 D;
—the arts exercised for the good of their
subject, 1. 342, 345–347 [cp. Euthyph. 13]; interested in their own
perfection, 1. 342; differ according to their functions, ib. 346; full
of grace, 3. 401 A; must be subject to a censorship, ib. B; causes
of the deterioration of, 4. 421; employment of children in, 5. 467
A; ideals in, ib. 472 D; chiefly useful for practical purposes, 7. 533 A;
—the arts and philosophy, 6. 495 E, 496 C (cp. supra 5. 475 D, 476 A);
—the handicraft arts a reproach, 9. 590 C;
—the lesser arts (τεχνύδρια),
5. 475 D; (τέχνια), 6. 495 D;
—three arts concerned with all
things, 10. 601.
Art. [Art, according to the conception of Plato, is not a collection
of canons of criticism, but a subtle influence which pervades all
things animate as well as inanimate (3. 400, 401). He knows nothing
of ‘schools’ or of the history of art, nor does he select any
building or statue for condemnation or admiration. [Cp. Protag. 311
C, where Pheidias is casually mentioned as the typical sculptor, and
Meno 91 D, where Socrates says that Pheidias, ‘although he wrought
such exceedingly noble works,’ did not make nearly so much money by
them as Protagoras did by his wisdom.] Plato judges art by one test,
‘simplicity,’ but under this he includes moderation, purity, and
harmony of proportion; and he would extend to sculpture and
architecture the same rigid censorship which he has already applied to poetry and music (3. 401 A). He
dislikes the ‘illusions’ of painting (10. 602) and the ‘false
proportions’ given by sculptors to their subjects (Soph. 234 E),
both of which he classes as a species of magic. With more justice he
points out the danger of an excessive devotion to art; (cp. the
ludicrous pictures of the unmanly musician (3. 411), and of the
dilettanti who run about to every chorus (5. 475)). But he hopes to
save his guardians from effeminacy by the severe discipline and
training of their early years. Sparta and Athens are to be combined
[cp. Introduction, p. clxx]: the citizens will live, as Adeimantus
complains, ‘like a garrison of mercenaries’ (4. 419); but they will
be surrounded by an atmosphere of grace and beauty, which will
insensibly instil noble and true ideas into their minds.]
Artisans, necessary in the state, 2. 370; have no time to be ill, 3. 406 D.
Artist, the Great, 10. 596 [cp. Laws 10. 902 E];
—the true artist does
not work for his own benefit, 1. 346, 347;
—artists must imitate the
good only, 3. 401 C.
Asclepiadae, 3. 405 D, 408 B; 10. 599 C.
Asclepius, son of Apollo, 3. 408 C; not ignorant of the lingering
treatment, ib. 406 D; a statesman, ib. 407 E; said by the poets to
have been bribed to restore a rich man to
life, ib. 408 B; left disciples, 10. 599 C;
—descendants of, 3. 406 A;
—his
sons at Troy, ibid.
Assaults, trials for, will be unknown in the best state, 5. 464 E.
Astronomy, must be studied by the rulers, 7. 527–530; spirit in which
it should be pursued, ib. 529, 530.
Atalanta, chose the life of an athlete, 10. 620 B.
Athené, not to be considered author of the strife between Trojans and
Achaeans, 2. 379 E.
Athenian confectionery, 3. 404 E.
Athens, corpses exposed outside the northern wall of, 4. 439 E.
Athlete, Atalanta chooses the soul of an, 10. 620 B; athletes, obliged
to pay excessive attention to diet, 3. 404 A; sleep away their lives,
ibid.; are apt to become brutalized, ib. 410, 411 (cp. 7. 535 D);
—the
guardians athletes of war, 3. 403 E, 404 B; 4. 422; 7. 521 E; 8. 543 [cp. Laws 8. 830].
Atridae, 3. 393 A.
Atropos (one of the Fates), her song, 10. 617 C; spins the threads of
destiny, and makes them irreversible, ib. 620 E.
Attic confections, 3. 404 E.
Audience, see Spectator.
Autolycus, praised by Homer, 1. 334 A.
Auxiliaries, the young warriors of the state, 3. 414; compared to
dogs, 2. 376; 4. 440 D; 5. 451 D; have silver mingled in their veins,
3. 415 A. Cp. Guardians.
Avarice, disgraceful, 1. 347 B; forbidden in the guardians, 3. 390 E; falsely imputed to Achilles and Asclepius by the poets, ib. 391 B,
408 C; characteristic of timocracy and oligarchy, 8. 548 A, 553.
Barbarians, regard nakedness as improper, 5. 452; the natural enemies
of the Hellenes, ib. 469 D, 470 C [cp. Pol. 262 D]; peculiar forms
of government among, 8. 544 D.
Beast, the great, 6. 493; the many-headed, 9. 588, 589; ‘the wild
beast within us,’ ib. 571, 572.
Beautiful, the, and the good are one, 5. 452;
—the many beautiful
contrasted with absolute beauty, 6. 507 B.
Beauty as a means of education, 3. 401 foll.; absolute beauty, 5. 476,
479; 6. 494 A, 501 B, 507 B [cp. Laws 2. 655 C].
Becoming, the passage from, to being, 7. 518 D, 521 D, 525 D.
Beds, the figure of the three, 10. 596.
Bee-masters, 8. 564 C.
Being and not being, 5. 477; true being the object of the philosopher’s
desire, 6. 484, 485, 486 E, 490, 500 C; 7. 521, 537 D; 9. 581,
582 C (cp. 5. 475 E; 7. 520 B, 525; and Phaedo 82; Phaedr. 249;
Theaet. 173 E; Soph. 249 D, 254); concerned with the invariable, 9.
585 C.
Belief, see Faith.
Bendidea, a feast of Artemis, 1. 354 A (cp. 327 A, B).
Bendis, a title of Artemis, 1. 327 A.
Bias of Priene, 1. 335 E.
Birds, breeding of, at Athens, 5. 459.
Blest, Islands of the, 7. 519 C, 540 B.
Body, the, not self-sufficing, 1. 341 E; excessive care of, inimical
to virtue, 3. 407 (cp. 9. 591 D); has less truth and essence than the
soul, 9. 585 D;
—harmony of body and soul, 3. 402 D.
Body, the, and the members, comparison of the state to, 5. 462 D,
464 B.
Boxing, 4. 422.
Brass (and iron) mingled by the God in the husbandmen and craftsmen,
3. 415 A (cp. 8. 547 A).
Breeding of animals, 5. 459.
Building, art of, 3. 401 A; 4. 438 C.
Burial of the guardians, 3. 414 A; 5. 465 E, 469 A; 7. 540 B [cp. Laws
12. 947].
Calculation, art of, corrects the illusions of sight, 10. 602 (cp. 7.
524); the talent for, accompanied by general quickness, 7. 526 B. Cp.
Arithmetic.
Captain, parable of the deaf, 6. 488.
Carpentry, 4. 428 C.
Causes, final, argument from, applied to justice, 1. 352: 6. 491 E,
495 B;
—of crimes, 8. 552 D; 9. 575 A.
Cave, the image of the, 7. 514 foll., 532 (cp. 539 E).
Censorship of fiction, 2. 377; 3. 386–391, 401 A, 408 C; 10. 595 foll.
[cp. Laws 7. 801, 811]; of the arts, 3. 401.
Ceos, Prodicus of, 10. 600 C.
Cephalus, father of Polemarchus, 1. 327 B; offers sacrifice, ib. 328 B, 331 D;
his views on old age, ib. 328 E; his views on wealth, ib. 330 A foll.
Cephalus [of Clazomenae], 1. 330 B.
Cerberus, two natures in one, 9. 588 C.
Chance in war, 5. 467 E; blamed by men for their misfortunes, 10. 619 C.
Change in music, not to be allowed, 4. 424 [cp. Laws 7. 799].
Character, differences of, in men, 1. 329 D [cp. Pol. 307]; in women, 5. 456;
—affected by the imitation of
unworthy objects, 3. 395;
—national character, 4. 435 [cp. Laws 5. 747]:
—great
characters may be ruined by bad education, 6. 491 E, 495 B; 7.
519:
—faults of character, 6. 503 [cp. Theaet. 144 B].
Charmantides, the Paeanian, present at the dialogue, 1. 328 B.
Charondas, lawgiver of Italy and Sicily, 10. 599 E.
Cheese, 2. 372 C; 3. 405 E.
Cheiron, teacher of Achilles, 3. 391 C.
Children have spirit, but not reason, 4. 441 A; why under authority, 9. 590 E;
—in the state, 3. 415;
5. 450 E, 457 foll.; 8. 543; must not hear improper stories, 2. 377;
3. 391 C; must be reared amid fair sights and sounds, 3. 401; must
receive education even in their plays, 4. 425 A; 7. 537 A [cp. Laws 1.
643 B]; must learn to ride, 5. 467 [cp. Laws 7. 804 C]; must go with
their fathers and mothers into war, 5. 467; 7. 537 A:
—transfer of
children from one class to another, 3. 415; 4. 423 D:
—exposure of
children allowed, 5. 460 C, 461 C:
—illegitimate children, ib. 461 A.
Chimaera, two natures in one, 9. 588 C.
Chines, presented to the brave warrior, 5. 468 D.
Chryses, the priest of Apollo (Iliad i. 11 foll.), 3. 392 E foll.
Cithara, see Harp.
Citizens, the, of the best state, compared to a garrison of
mercenaries (Adeimantus), 4. 419 (cp. 8. 543); will form one family,
5. 462 foll. See Guardians.
City, situation of the, 3. 415:
—the ‘city of pigs,’ 2. 372:
—the
heavenly city, 9. 592:
—Cities, most, divided between rich and poor,
4. 422 E; 8. 551 E [cp. Laws 12. 945 E]:
—the game of cities, 4. 422
E. Cp. Constitution, State.
Classes, in the state, should be kept distinct, 2. 374; 3. 397 E, 415
A; 4. 421, 433 A, 434, 441 E, 443; 5. 453 (cp. 8. 552 A, and Laws 8. 846 E).
Cleitophon, the son of Aristonymus, present at the dialogue, 1. 328 B;
interposes on behalf of Thrasymachus, ib. 340 A.
Cleverness, no match for honesty, 3. 409 C (cp. 10. 613 C); not often
united with a steady character, 6. 503 [cp. Theaet. 144 B]; needs an
ideal direction, 7. 519 [cp. Laws 7. 819 A].
Clotho, second of the fates, 10. 617 C, 620 E; sings of the present, ib.
617 C; the souls brought to her, ib. 620 E.
Colours, comparison of, 9. 585 A; contrast of, ib. 586 C;
—indelible
colours, 4. 429:
—‘colours’ of poetry, 10. 601 A.
Comedy, cannot be allowed in the state, 3. 394 [cp. Laws 7. 816 D];
accustoms the mind to vulgarity, 10. 606;
—same actors cannot
act both tragedy and comedy, 3. 395.
Common life in the state, 5. 458, 464 foll.;
—common meals of the
guardians, 3. 416; common meals for women, 5. 458 D [cp. Laws 6. 781;
7. 806 E; 8. 839 D];
—common property among the guardians, 3. 416 E; 4.
420 A, 422 D; 5. 464; 8. 543.
, 3. 416; 5. 450 E, 457 foll., 462,
464; 8. 543 A [cp. Laws 5. 739 C];
—of property, 3. 416 E; 4. 420 A,
422 D; 5. 464; 8. 543;
—of feeling, 5. 464.
Community. [The communism of the Republic seems to have been suggested
by Plato’s desire for the unity of the state (cp. 5. 462 foll.). If
those ‘two small pestilent words, “meum” and “tuum,” which have
engendered so much strife among men and created so much mischief in
the world,’ could be banished from the lips and thoughts of mankind,
the ideal state would soon be realized. The citizens would have
parents, wives, children, and property in common; they would rejoice
in each other’s prosperity, and sorrow at each other’s misfortune; they
would call their rulers not ‘lords’ and ‘masters,’ but ‘friends’
and ‘saviours.’ Plato is aware that such a conception could hardly be
carried out in this world; and he evades or adjourns, rather than
solves, the difficulty by the famous assertion that only when the
philosopher rules in the city will the ills of human life find an end
[cp. Introduction, p. clxxiii]. In the Critias, where the ideal state,
as Plato himself hints to us (110 D), is to some extent reproduced in an
imaginary description of ancient Attica, property is common, but
there is no mention of a community of wives and children. Finally in
the Laws (5. 739), Plato while still maintaining the blessings of communism,
recognizes the impossibility of its realization, and sets
about the construction of a ‘second-best state’ in which the rights
of property are conceded; although, according to Aristotle (Pol. ii.
6, § 4), he gradually reverts to the ideal polity in all except a few
unimportant particulars.]
Conception, the, of truth by the philosopher, 6. 490 A.
Confidence and courage, 4. 430 B.
Confiscation of the property of the rich in democracies, 8. 565.
Constitution, the aristocratic, is the ideal state sketched in bk. iv
(cp. 8. 544 E, 545 D);
—defective forms of constitution, 4. 445 B; 8.
544 [cp. Pol. 291 E foll.]; aristocracy (in the ordinary sense), 1.
338 D; timocracy or ‘Spartan polity,’ 8. 545 foll.; oligarchy, ib.
550 foll., 554 E; democracy, ib. 555 foll., 557 D; tyranny, ib. 544 C,
562. Cp. Government, State.
Contentiousness, a characteristic of timocracy, 8. 548.
Contracts, in some states not protected by law, 8. 556 A.
Contradiction, nature of, 4. 436; 10. 602 E; power of, 5. 454 A.
Convention, justice a matter of, 2. 359 A.
Conversation, should not be personal, 6. 500 B.
Conversion of the soul, 7. 518, 521, 525 [cp. Laws 12. 957 E].
Cookery, art of, employed in the definition of justice, 1. 332 C.
Corinthian courtesans, 3. 404 D.
Corpses, not to be spoiled, 5. 469.
Correlative and relative, qualifications of, 4. 437 foll. [cp. Gorg.
476]; how corrected, 7. 524.
Corruptio optimi pessima, 6. 491.
Corruption, the, of youth, not to be attributed to the Sophists, but
to public opinion, 6. 492 A.
Courage, required in the guardians, 2. 375; 3. 386, 413 E, 416 E; 4.
429; 6. 503 E; inconsistent with the fear of death, 3. 386; 6. 486 A;
= the preservation of a right opinion about objects of fear, 4. 429,
442 B (cp. 2. 376, and Laches 193, 195); distinguished from
fearlessness, 4. 430 B; one of the philosopher’s virtues, 6. 486 A,
490 E, 494 A:
—the courageous temper averse to intellectual toil, ib.
503 D [cp. Pol. 306, 307].
Courtesans, 3. 404 D.
Covetousness, not found in the philosopher, 6. 485 E; characteristic
of timocracy and oligarchy, 8. 548, 553; = the appetitive element of
the soul, 9. 581 A.
Cowardice in war, to be punished, 5. 468 A; not found in the philosopher, 6. 486 B.
Creophylus, ‘the child of flesh,’ companion of Homer, 10. 600 B.
Crete, government of, generally applauded, 8. 544 C; a timocracy, ib.
545 B;
—Cretans, naked exercises among, 5. 452 C; call their country
‘mother-land,’ 9. 575 E;
—Cretic rhythm, 3. 400 B.
Crimes, great and
small, differently estimated by mankind, 1. 344 (cp. 348 D); causes of, 6. 491 E, 495 B; 8. 552 D; 9. 575 A.
Criminals, are usually men of great character spoiled by bad education, 6. 491 E, 495 B;
numerous in oligarchies, 8. 552 D.
Croesus, 2. 359 C; ‘as the oracle said to Croesus,’ 8. 566 C.
Cronos, ill treated by Zeus, 2. 377 E; his behaviour to Uranus, ibid.
Cunning man, the, no match for the virtuous, 3. 409 D.
Cycles, recurrence of, in nature, 8. 546 A [cp. Tim. 22 C; Crit. 109
D; Pol. 269 foll.; Laws 3. 677].
Dactylic metre, 3. 400 C.
Daedalus, beauty of his works, 7. 529 E.
Damon, an authority on rhythm, 3. 400 B (cp. 4. 424 C).
Dancing (in education), 3. 412 B.
Day-dreams, 5. 458 A, 476 C.
Dead (in battle) not to be stripped, 5. 469; judgment of the dead, 10. 615.
Death, the approach of, brings no terror to the aged, 1. 330 E; the
guardians must have no fear of, 3. 386, 387 (cp. 6. 486 C); preferable to slavery, 3. 387 A.
Debts, abolition of, proclaimed by demagogues, 8. 565 E, 566 E.
Delphi, religion left to the god at, 4. 427 A (cp. 5. 461 E, 469 A; 7. 540 B).
Demagogues, 8. 564, 565.
Democracy, 1. 338 D; spoken of under the parable of the captain and
the mutinous crew, 6. 488; democracy and philosophy, ib. 494, 500; the
third form of imperfect state, 8. 544 [cp. Pol. 291, 292]; detailed
account of, ib. 555 foll.; characterised by freedom, ib. 557 B,
561–563; a ‘bazaar of constitutions,’ ib. 557 D; the humours of democracy,
ib. E, 561; elements contained in, ib. 564.
—democracy in animals,
ib. 563:
—the democratical man, ib. 558, 559
foll., 561, 562; 9. 572; his place in regard to pleasure, 9. 587.
Desire, has a relaxing effect on the soul, 4. 430 A; the conflict of
desire and reason, 4. 440 [cp. Phaedr. 253 foll.; Tim. 70 A];
—the
desires divided into simple and qualified, 4. 437 foll.; into
necessary and unnecessary, 8. 559.
Despots (masters), 5. 463 A. See Tyrant.
Destiny, the, of man in his own power, 10. 617 E.
Dialectic, the most difficult branch of philosophy, 6. 498; objects
of, ib. 511; 7. 537 D; proceeds by a double method, 6. 511; compared
to sight, 7. 532 A; capable of attaining to the idea of good, ibid.;
gives firmness to hypotheses, ib. 533; the coping stone of the
sciences, ib. 534 [cp. Phil. 57]; must be studied by the rulers, ib.
537; dangers of the study, ibid.; years to be spent in, ib. 539;
distinguished from eristic, ib. D (cp. 5. 454 A; 6. 499 A):
—the
dialectician has a conception of essence, 7. 534 [cp. Phaedo 75 D].
Dialectic. [Dialectic, the ‘coping stone of knowledge,’ is everywhere
distinguished by Plato from eristic, i.e., argument for argument’s
sake [cp. Euthyd. 275 foll., 293; Meno 75 D; Phaedo 101; Phil. 17;
Theaet. 167 E]. It is that ‘gift of heaven’ (Phil.
16) which teaches men to employ the hypotheses of science, not as
final results, but as points from which the mind may rise into the
higher heaven of ideas and behold truth and being. This vague
and magnificent conception was probably hardly clearer to Plato
himself when he wrote the Republic than it is to us [cp. Introduction, p. xcii.]; but in the Sophist and Statesman it appears in a
more definite form as a combination of analysis and synthesis by
which we arrive at a true notion of things. [Cp. the ὑφηγημένη μεθόδος
of Aristotle (Pol. i. 1, § 3; 8, § 1), which is an analogous mode
of proceeding from the parts to the whole.] In the Laws dialectic no
longer occupies a prominent place; it is the ‘old man’s harmless
amusement’ (7. 820 C), or, regarded more seriously, the method of
discussion by question and answer, which is abused by the natural
philosophers to disprove the existence of the Gods (10. 891).]
Dice (κύβοι), 10. 604 C; skill required in dice-playing, 2. 374 C.
Diet, 3. 404; 8. 559 C [cp. Tim. 89].
Differences, accidental and essential, 5. 454.
Diomede, his command to the Greeks (Iliad iv. 412), 3. 389 E;
‘necessity of,’ (proverb), 6. 493 D.
Dionysiac festival (at Athens), 5. 475 D.
Discord, causes of, 5. 462; 8. 547 A, 556 E; the ruin of states, 5.
462; distinguished from war, ib. 470 [cp. Laws 1. 628, 629].
Discourse, love of, 1. 328 A; 5. 450 B; increases in old age, 1. 328 D; pleasure of, in the other world, 6. 498 D [cp. Apol. 41].
Disease, origin of, 3. 404; the right treatment of, ib. 405 foll.; the
physician must have experience of, in his own person, ib. 408;
disease and vice compared, 4. 444; 10. 609 foll. [cp. Soph. 228;
Pol. 296; Laws 10. 906]; inherent in everything, 10. 609.
Dishonesty, thought by men to be more profitable than honesty, 2. 364 A.
Dithyrambic poetry, nature of, 3. 394 B.
Diversities of natural gifts, 2. 370; 5. 455; 7. 535 A.
Division of labour, 2. 370, 374 A; 3. 394 E, 395 B, 397 E; 4. 423 E,
433 A, 435 A, 441 E, 443, 453 B; a part of justice, 4. 433, 435 A, 441
E (cp. supra 1. 332, 349, 350, and Laws 8. 846 C);
—of lands, proclaimed
by the would-be tyrant, 8. 565 E, 566 E.
Doctors, flourish when luxury increases in the state, 2. 373 C; 3.
405 A; two kinds of, 5. 459 C [cp. Laws 4. 720; 9. 857 D]. Cp.
Physician.
Dog, Socrates’ oath by the, 3. 399 E; 8. 567 E; 9. 592;
—dogs are
philosophers, 2. 376; the guardians the watch-dogs of the state,
ibid.; 4. 440 D; 5. 451 D; breeding of dogs, 5. 459.
Dolphin, Arion’s, 5. 453 E.
Dorian harmony, allowed, with the Phrygian, in the state, 3. 399 A.
Draughts, 1. 333 A; skill required in, 2. 374 C;
—comparison of an argument to
a game of draughts, 6. 487 C.
Dreams, an indication of the bestial element in human nature, 9. 571,
572, 574 E.
Drones, the, 8. 552, 554 C, 555 E, 559 C, 564 B, 567 E; 9. 573 A [cp.
Laws 10. 901 A].
Drunkenness, in heaven, 2. 363 D; forbidden in the guardians, 3. 398 E, 403 E;
—the drunken man
apt to be tyrannical, 8. 573 C. Cp. Intoxication.
Dyeing, 4. 429 D.
Early society, 2. 359.
Eating, pleasure accompanying, 8. 559.
Education, commonly divided into gymnastic for the body and music for
the soul, 2. 376 E, 403 (see Gymnastic, Music, and cp. Laws 7. 795 E);
both music and gymnastic really designed for the soul, 3. 410:
—use of fiction in,
2. 377 foll.; 3. 391; the poets bad educators, 2. 377; 3. 391, 392, 408 B; 10. 600, 606 E, 607 B
[cp. Laws 10.
886 C, 890 A]; must be simple, 3. 397, 404 E; melody in, ib. 398
foll.; mimetic art in, ib. 399; importance of good surroundings, ib.
401; influence of, on manners, 4. 424, 425; innovation in, dangerous, ibid.;
early, should be
given through amusement, ib. 425 A; 7. 536 E [cp. Laws 1. 643 B];
ought to be the same for men and women, 5. 451 foll., 466; dangerous
when ill-directed, 6. 491; not a process of acquisition, but the use
of powers already existing in us, 7. 518; not to be compulsory, ib.
537 A;
—education of the guardians, 2. 376 foll.; 4. 429, 430; 7. 521
(cp. Guardians, Ruler);
—the higher or philosophic education, 6. 498,
503 E, 504; 7. 514–537; age at which it should commence, 6. 498;
7. 537; ‘the longer way,’ 6. 504 (cp. 4. 435); ‘the prelude or
preamble,’ 7. 532 E.
Education. [Education in the Republic is divided into two parts, (i)
the common education of the citizens; (ii) the special education of
the rulers. (i) The first, beginning with childhood in the plays of
the children [cp. Laws 1. 643 B], is the old Hellenic education,
[the καταβεβλημένα παιδεύματα of Aristotle, Pol. viii. 2, § 6],
—‘music for the mind and gymnastic for the body’ [cp. Laws 7. 795
E]. But Plato soon discovers that both are really intended for the
benefit of the soul [cp. Laws 5. 743 D]; and under ‘music’ he includes
literature (λόγοι), i.e. humane culture as distinguished from
scientific knowledge. Music precedes gymnastic; both are not to be
learned together; only the simpler kinds of either are tolerated
[cp. Laws Book VII, passim]. Boys and girls share equally in both
[cp. Laws 7. 794 D]. The greatest attention must be paid to good
surroundings; nothing mean or vile must meet the eye or strike the
ear of the young scholar. The fairy tales of childhood and the
fictions of the poets are alike placed under censorship [cp. Laws Book
X, and see s. v. Poetry]. Gentleness is to be united with manliness;
beauty of form and activity of mind are to mingle in perfect and
harmonious accord.
—(ii) The special education commences at twenty by
the selection of the most promising students. These spend ten years in
the acquisition of the higher branches of arithmetic, geometry,
astronomy, harmony [cp. Laws 7. 817 E], which are not to be pursued
in a scientific spirit or for utility only, but rather with a view to
their combination by means of dialectic into an ideal of all
knowledge (see s. v. Dialectic). At thirty a further selection is
made: those selected spend five years in the study of philosophy, are
then sent into active life for fifteen years, and finally after fifty
return to philosophy, which for the remainder of their days is to
form their chief occupation (see s. v. Rulers).]
Egyptians, characterised by love of money, 4. 435 E.
Elder, the, to bear rule in the state, 3. 412 B [cp. Laws 3. 690 A; 4.
714 E]; to be over the younger, 5. 465 A [cp. Laws 4. 721 D; 9. 879 C;
11. 917 A].
Embroidery, art of, 3. 401 A.
Enchantments, used by mendicant prophets, 2. 364 B;
—enchantments,
i.e. tests to which the guardians are to be subjected, 3. 413 (cp. 6.
503 A; 7. 539 E).
End, the, and use of the soul, 1. 353:
—ends and excellencies
(ἀρεταὶ) of things, ibid.; things distinguished by their ends, 5. 478.
Endurance, must be inculcated on the young, 3. 390 C (cp. 10. 605 E).
Enemies, treatment of, 5. 469.
Enquiry, roused by some objects of sense, 7. 523.
Epeus, soul of, turns into a woman, 10. 620 C.
Epic poetry, a combination of imitation and narration, 3. 394 B, 396 E;
—epic poets, imitators in the highest degree, 10. 602 C.
Er, myth of, 10. 614 B foll.
Eriphyle, 9. 590 A.
Eristic, distinguished from dialectic, 5. 454 A; 6. 499 A; 7. 539 D.
Error, not possible in the skilled person (Thrasymachus), 1. 340 D.
Essence and the good, 6. 509; essence of the invariable, 9. 585;
—essence
of things, 6. 507 B; apprehended by the dialectician, 7. 534 B.
Eternity, contrasted with human life, 10. 608 D.
Eumolpus, son of Musaeus, 2. 363 D.
Eunuch, the riddle of the, 5. 479.
Euripides, a great tragedian, 8. 568 A; his maxims about tyrants,
ibid.:
—quoted, Troades, l. 1169, ibid.
Eurypylus, treatment of the wounded, 3. 405 E, 408 A.
Euthydemus, brother of Polemarchus, 1. 328 B.
Evil, God not the author of, 2. 364, 379, 380 A; 3. 391 E [cp. Laws 2.
672 B]; the destructive element in the soul, 10. 609 foll. (cp. 4.
444):
—justice must exist even among the evil, 1. 351 foll.; their
supposed prosperity, 2. 364 [cp. Gorg. 470 foll.; Laws 2. 66 1; 10.
899, 905]; more numerous than the good, 3. 409 D. Cp. Injustice.
Excellence relative to use, 10. 601; excellences (ἀρεταὶ) and ends of
things, 1. 353.
Exchange, the art of, necessary in the formation of the state, 2. 369 C.
Exercises, naked, in Greece, 5. 452.
Existence, a participation in essence, 9. 585 [cp. Phaedo 101].
Experience, the criterion of true and false pleasures, 9. 582.
Expiation of guilt, 2. 364.
Eye of the soul, 7. 518 D, 527 E, 533 D, 540 A;
—the soul like the eye,
6. 508; 7. 518:
—Eyes, the, in relation to sight, 6. 507 (cp.
Sight).
Fact and ideal, 5. 472, 473.
Faculties, how different, 5. 477;
—faculties of the soul, 6. 511 E;
7. 533 E.
Faith [or Persuasion], one of the faculties of the soul, 6. 511 D;
7. 533 E.
Falsehood, alien to the nature of God, 2. 382 [cp. Laws 11. 917 A]; a
medicine, only to be used by the state, ibid.; 3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D [cp. Laws 2. 663]; hateful to the philosopher, 6. 486, 490.
Family life in the state, 5. 449;
—families in the state, ib. 461;
—family
and state, ib. 463;
—cares of family life, ib. 465 C.
Fates, the, 10. 617, 620 E.
Fear, a solvent of the soul, 4. 430 A; fear and shame, 5. 465 A.
Fearlessness, distinguished from courage, 4. 430 B [cp. Laches 197 B;
Protag. 349 C, 359 foll.].
Feeling, community of, in the state, 5. 464.
Festival of the Bendidea (at the Piraeus), 1. 327 A, 354 A; of
Dionysus (at Athens), 5. 475 D.
Fiction in education, 2. 377 foll.; 3. 391; censorship of, necessary,
2. 377 foll.; 3. 386–391, 401 A, 408 C; 10. 595 foll.; not to represent
sorrow, 3. 387 foll. (cp. 10. 604); representing intemperance to be discarded,
3. 390;
—stories about the gods, not to be
received, 2. 378 foll.; 3. 388 foll., 408 C [cp. Euthyph. 6, 8; Crit.
109 B; Laws 2. 672 B; 10. 886 C; 12. 941];
—stories of the world below,
objectionable, 3. 386 foll. (cp. Hades, World below).
Final causes, argument from, applied to justice, 1. 352.
Fire, obtained by friction, 4. 434 E.
Flattery, of the multitude by their leaders, in ill-ordered states, 4.
426 (cp. 9. 590 B).
Flute, the, to be rejected, 3. 399;
—flute players and flute makers,
ib. D; 10. 601.
Folly, an inanition (κένωσις) of the soul, 9. 585 A.
Food, the condition of life and existence, 2. 369 C.
Forgetfulness, a mark of an unphilosophical nature, 6. 486 D, 490 E:
—the plain
of Forgetfulness (Lethe), 10. 621 A.
Fox, the emblem of subtlety, 2. 365 C.
Fractions, 7. 525 E.
Freedom, the characteristic of democracy, 8. 557 B, 561–563.
Friend, the, must be as well as seem good, 1. 334, 335;
—the friends of
the tyrant, 8. 567 E; 9. 576.
Friendship, implies justice, 1. 351 foll.; in the state, 5. 462, 463.
Funeral of the guardians, 5. 465 E, 468 E; 7. 540 B;
—corpses placed
on the pyre on the twelfth day, 10. 614.
Future life, 3. 387; 10. 614 foll.; punishment of the wicked in, 2. 363;
10. 615 [cp. Phaedo 108; Gorg. 523 E, 525; Laws 9. 870 E, 881 B; 10. 904 C].
See Hades, World below.
Games, as a means of education, 4. 425 A (cp. 7. 537 A);
—dice (κύβοι),
10. 604 C;
—draughts (πεττεία), 1. 333 A; 2. 374 C; 6. 487 C;
—city
(πόλις), 4. 422 E:
—[the Olympic, &c.] glory gained by success in,
5. 465 D, 466 A; 10. 618 A (cp. 620 B).
General, the, ought to know arithmetic and geometry, 7. 522 D, 525 B,
526 D, 527 C.
Gentleness, characteristic of the philosopher, 2. 375, 376; 3. 410;
6. 486 C; usually inconsistent with spirit, 2. 375.
Geometry, must be learnt by the rulers, 7. 526 foll.; erroneously
thought to serve for practical purposes only, ib. 527;
—geometry of
solids, ib. 528;
—geometrical necessity, 5. 458 D;
—geometrical notions
apprehended by a faculty of the soul, 6. 511 C.
Giants, battles of the, 2. 378 B.
Gifts, given to victors, 3. 414; 5. 460, 468;
—gifts of nature, 2. 370
A; 5. 455; 7. 535 A; may be perverted, 6. 491 E, 495 A; 7. 519 [cp.
Laws 7. 819 A; 10. 908 C].
Glaucon, son of Ariston, 1. 327 A; 2. 368 A; takes up the discourse,
1. 347 A; 2. 372 C; 3. 398 B; 4. 427 D; 5. 450 A; 6. 506 D; 9. 576 B; anxious to contribute money
for Socrates, 1. 337 E; the boldest of men, 2. 357 A; his genius, ib.
368 A; distinguished at the battle of Megara, ibid.; a musician, 3.
398 D; 7. 531 A; desirous that Socrates should discuss the subject of
women and children, 5. 450 A; breeds dogs and birds, ib. 459 A; a
lover, ib. 474 D (cp. 3. 402 E; 5. 458 E); not a dialectician, 7. 533;
his contentiousness, 8. 548 E; not acquainted with the doctrine of the
immortality of the soul, 10. 608.
Glaucus, the sea-god, 10. 611 C.
Gluttony, 9. 586 A.
God, not the author of evil, 2. 364, 379, 380 A; 3. 391 E [cp. Laws 2.
672 B]; never changes, 2. 380; will not lie, ib. 382; the maker of all
things, 10. 598:
—Gods, the, thought to favour the unjust, 2. 362 B,
364; supposed to accept the gifts of the wicked, ib. 365 [cp. Laws 4.
716 E; 10. 905 foll.; 12. 948]; believed to take no heed of human
affairs, 2. 365 [cp. Laws 10. 889 foll.; 12. 948]; human ignorance of,
2. 365 [cp. Crat 400 E; Crit. 107; Parm. 134 E]; disbelief in, 2. 365
[cp. Laws 10. 885 foll., 909; 12. 948]; stories of, not to be
repeated, 2. 378 foll.; 3. 388 foll., 408 C [cp. Euthyph. 6, 8; Crit.
109 B; Laws 2. 672 B; 10. 886 C; 12. 941]; not to be represented
grieving or laughing, 3. 388;
—‘gods who wander about at night in the
disguise of strangers,’ 2. 381 D;
—the war of the gods and the giants,
ib. 378 B.
God. [The theology of Plato is summed up by himself in the second book
of the Republic under two heads, ‘God is perfect and unchangeable,’
and ‘God is true and the author of truth.’ These canons are also the test by which he tries
poetry and the poets (see s. v. Poetry):—Homer and the tragedians
represent the Gods as changing their forms or as deceiving men by
lying dreams, and therefore they must be expelled from the state. But
Plato has not yet acquired the austere temper of his later years. He
does not threaten the impenitent unbeliever with bonds and death (Laws
10. 908, 910), but is content to show by argument the superiority of
justice over injustice. In other respects the theology of the Republic
is repeated and amplified in the Laws; the theses that God is
not the author of evil and will not accept the gifts of the wicked or
favour the unjust, are maintained with equal earnestness in both.
The Republic is less pessimistic in tone than the Laws; but the
thought of the insignificance of man and the briefness of human
life is already familiar to Plato’s mind [cp. 6. 486 A; 10. 604;
and see s. v. Man]. The conception of God as the Demiurgus or
Creator of the universe, which is prominent in the Timaeus, Sophist,
and Statesman, hardly appears either in the Republic or the Laws
(cp. Rep. 10. 596 foll.; Laws 10. 886 foll.).]
Gold, mingled by the God in the auxiliaries, 3. 415 A (cp. 416 E; 8. 547 A);
—[and silver]
not allowed to the guardians, 3. 416 E; 4. 419, 422 D; 5. 464 D (cp.
8. 543).
Good, the saving element, 10. 609:
—the good = the beautiful, 5. 452
[cp. Lys. 216; Symp. 201 B, 204 E foll.]; the good and pleasure, 6.
505, 509 A [cp. Gorg. 497; Phil. 11, 60 A]; the good superior to
essence, ib. 509; the brightest and best of being, 7. 518 D;
—absolute
good, 6. 507 B; 7. 540 A;
—the idea of good, 6. 505, 508; 7. 517, 534; is the highest
knowledge, 6. 505; 7. 526 E; nature of, 6. 505, 506;
—the child of the
good, ib. 506 E, 508:
—good things least liable to change,
2. 381;
—goods classified, ib. 357, 367 D [cp. Protag. 334; Gorg. 451 E;
Phil. 66; Laws 1. 631; 3. 697];
—the goods of life often a temptation,
6. 491 E, 495 A.
Good man, the, will disdain to imitate ignoble actions, 3. 396:
—Good
men, why they take office, 1. 347; = the wise, ib. 350 [cp. 1 Alcib.
124, 125]; unfortunate (Adeimantus), 2. 364; self-sufficient, 3. 387
[cp. Lys. 215 A]; will not give way to sorrow, ibid.; 10. 603 E [cp.
Laws 5. 732; 7. 792 B, 800 D]; appear simple from their inexperience
of evil, 3. 409 A; hate the tyrant, 8. 568 A; the friends of God and like Him,
10. 613 [cp. Phil. 39 E; Laws 4. 716].
Goods, community of, 3. 416; 5. 464; 8. 543. See Community.
Government, forms of, are they administered in the interest of the
rulers? 1. 338 D, 343, 346; are all based on a principle of justice,
ib. 338 E [cp. Laws 12. 945]; present forms in an evil condition, 6.
492 E, 496; none of the existing forms adapted to philosophy, ib.
497;
—the four imperfect forms,
4. 445 B; 8. 544 [cp. Pol. 291 foll., 301 foll.]; succession of
changes in states, 8. 545 foll.;
—peculiar barbarian forms, ib. 544 D.
Cp. Constitution, State.
Government, forms of. [The classification of forms of government
which Plato adopts in the Republic is not exactly the same with that
given in the Statesman or the Laws. Both in the Republic and the Statesman
the series commences with the perfect state,
which may be either monarchy or aristocracy, accordingly as the ‘one
best man’ bears rule or many who are all ‘perfect in virtue’ [cp.
Arist. Pol. iv. 2, § 1]. But in the Republic the further succession is
somewhat fancifully connected with the divisions of the soul. The rule
of reason [i.e. the perfect state] passes into timocracy, in which
the ‘spirited element’ is predominant (8. 548), timocracy into three
governments in turn, which represent the ‘appetitive principle,’—first,
oligarchy, in which the desire of wealth is supreme (8. 533 D; 9. 581); secondly, democracy, characterised by an unbounded lust
for freedom (9. 561); thirdly, tyranny, in which all evil desires grow
unchecked, and the tyrant becomes ‘the waking reality of what he
once was in his dreams only’ (9. 574 E). Each of these inferior forms
is illustrated in the individual who corresponds to the state and
‘is set over against it’ (8. 550 C). In the Statesman, after the
government of the one or many good has been separated, the remaining
forms are classified accordingly as the government has or has not
regard to law, and democracy is said to be (303 A) ‘the worst of
lawful and the best of lawless governments’ (an expression criticised
by Aristotle, Pol. iv. 2, § 3). In the Laws again the subject is
differently treated: monarchy and democracy are described as ‘the two
mother forms,’ which must be combined in order to produce a good state
(3. 693), and the Spartan and Cretan constitutions are therefore
praised as polities in which every form of government is represented
(4. 712). But the majority of existing states are mere class
governments and have no regard to virtue (12. 962 E). These various
ideas are nearly all reproduced or criticised in the Politics of
Aristotle, who, however, does not employ the term ‘timocracy,’
and adds one great original conception,—the μεσὴ πολιτεία, or
government of the middle class.]
Governments, sometimes bought and sold, 8. 544 D.
Grace (εὐσχημοσύνη), the effect of good rhythm accompanying good
style, 3. 400 D; all life and every art full of grace, ib. 401 A.
Greatness and smallness, 4. 438 B;
5. 479 B; 7. 523, 524; 9. 575 C; 10. 602 D, 605 C.
Grief, not to be indulged, 3. 387; 10. 603–606. Cp. Sorrow.
Guard, the tyrant’s request for a, 8. 566 B, 567 E.
Guardians of the state, must be philosophers, 2. 376; 6. 484, 498,
501, 503 B; 7. 520, 521, 525 B, 540; 8. 543; must be both spirited and
gentle, 2. 375; 3. 410; 6. 503 [cp. Laws 5. 731 B]; must be tested by
pleasures and pains, 3. 413 (cp.
6. 503 A; 7. 539 E); have gold and silver mingled in their veins, 3.
415 A (cp. 416 E; 8. 547 A); their happiness, 4. 419 foll.; 5. 465 E
foll.; 6. 498 C; 7. 519 E; will be the class in the state which
possesses wisdom, 4. 428 [cp. Laws 12. 965 A]; will form one family
with the citizens, 5. 462–466; must preserve moderation, ib. 466 B;
divided into auxiliaries and guardians proper, 3. 414 (cp. 8. 545 E;
and see Auxiliaries, Rulers):
—the guardians [i.e. the auxiliaries]
must be courageous, 2. 375; 3. 386, 413 E, 416 E; 4. 429; 6. 503 E;
must have no fear of death, 3. 386 (cp. 6. 486 C); not to weep,
3. 387 (cp. 10. 603 E); nor to be given to
laughter, 3. 388 [cp. Laws 5. 732; 11. 935]; must be temperate, ib.
389 D; must not be avaricious, ib. 390 E; must only imitate noble
characters and actions, ib. 395 foll., 402 E; must only learn the
Dorian and Phrygian harmonies, and play on the lyre and harp, ib.
398, 399; must be sober, ib. 398 E, 403 E; must be reared amid fair
surroundings, ib. 401; athletes of war, ib. 403, 404 B; 4. 422; 7. 521 E; 8. 543 [cp. Laws 8. 830]; must live according to rule, 3. 404;
will not go to law or have resort to medicine, ib. 410 A; must have
common meals and live a soldier’s life, ib. 416; will not require
gold or silver or property of any kind, ib. 417; 4. 419, 420 A, 422 D;
5. 464 C; compared to a garrison of mercenaries (Adeimantus), 4. 419
(cp. 8. 543); must go to war on horseback in their childhood, 5. 467;
7. 537 A; regulations for their conduct in war, 5. 467–471:
—female
guardians, ib., 456, 458, 468; 7. 540 C (cp. Women).
Gyges, 2. 359 C; 10. 612 B.
Gymnastic, supposed to be intended only for the body, 2. 376 E; 3.
403; 7. 521 [cp. Laws 7. 795 E]; really designed for the improvement
of the soul, 3. 410; like music, should be continued throughout life,
ib. 403 C; effect of excessive, ib. 404, 410; 7. 537 B; should be of a
simple character, 3. 404, 410 A; the ancient forms of, to be
retained, 4. 424; must co-operate with music in creating a harmony of
the soul, ib. 441 E; suitable to women, 5. 452–457 [cp. Laws 7. 804,
813, 833]; ought to be combined with intellectual pursuits, 7. 535 D
[cp. Tim. 88]; time to be spent in, ib. 537.
Habit and virtue, 7. 518 E; 10. 619 D.
Hades, tales about the terrors of, 1. 330 D; 2. 366 A; such tales not
to be heeded, 3. 386 B [cp. Crat. 403];
—the place of punishment,
2. 363; 10. 614 foll.; Musaeus’ account of the good and bad in, 2. 363;
—the
journey to, 10. 614 [cp. Phaedo 108 A]:
—(Pluto) helmet of, 10.
612 B. Cp. World below.
Half, the, better than the whole, 5. 466 B.
Handicraft arts, a reproach, 9. 590 [cp. Gorg. 512].
Happiness of the unjust, 1. 354; 2. 364; 3. 392 B (cp. 8. 545 A, and
Gorg. 470 foll.; Laws 2. 661; 10. 899 E, 905 A);
—of the guardians,
4. 576 foll.; 5. 465 E foll.; 6. 498 C; 7. 519 E;
—of Olympic victors,
5. 465 D, 466 A; 10. 618 A;
—of the tyrant, 9. 576 foll., 587;
—the
greatest happiness awarded to the most just, ib. 580 foll.
Harmonies, the more complex to be rejected, 3. 397 foll.;
—the Lydian
harmony, ib. 398; the Ionian, ib. E; the Dorian and Phrygian alone to
be accepted, ib. 399.
Harmony, akin to virtue, 3. 401 A (cp. 7. 522 A);
—science of, must be
acquired by the rulers, 7. 531 (cp. Music);
—harmony of soul and body,
3. 402 D;
—harmony of the soul, effected by temperance, 4. 430, 441 E, 442 D, 443 (cp. 9. 591 D, and Laws 2. 653 B);
—harmony in the
acquisition of wealth, 9. 591 E.
Harp, the, (κιθάρα), allowed in the best state, 3. 399.
Hatred, between the despot and his subjects, 8. 567 E; 9. 576 A.
Health and justice compared, 4. 444; pleasure of health, 9. 583 C;
secondary to virtue, ib. 591 D.
Hearing, classed among faculties, 5. 477 E; composed of two elements,
speech and hearing, and not requiring, like sight, a third intermediate nature, 6. 507 C.
Heaven, the starry, the fairest of visible things, 7. 529 D; the
motions of, not eternal, ib. 530 A.
Heaviness, 5. 479; 7. 524 A.
Hector, dragged by Achilles round the tomb of Patroclus, 3. 391 B.
Helen, never went to Troy, 9. 586 C.
Hellas, not to be devastated in civil war, 5. 470 A foll., 471 A:
—Hellenes
characterised by the love of knowledge, 4. 435 E; did not
originally strip in the gymnasia, 5. 452 D; not to be enslaved by
Hellenes, ib. 469 B, C; united by ties of blood, ib. 470 C; not to
devastate Hellas, ib. 471 A foll.; Hellenes and barbarians are
strangers, ib. 469 D, 470 C [cp. Pol. 262 D].
Hellespont, 3. 404 C.
Hephaestus, binds Herè, 2. 378 D; thrown from heaven by Zeus, ibid.;
improperly delineated by Homer, 3. 389 A; chains Ares and Aphroditè,
ib. 390 C.
Heracleitus, the ‘sun of,’ 6. 498 B.
Herè, bound by Hephaestus, 2. 378 D; Herè and Zeus, ibid.; 3. 390 B;
begged alms for the daughters of Inachus, 2. 381 D.
Hermes, the star sacred to (Mercury), 10. 617 A.
Hermus, 8. 566 C.
Herodicus of Selymbria, the inventor of valetudinarianism, 3. 406 A
foll.
Heroes, not to lament, 3. 387, 388; 10. 603–606; to be rewarded, 5.
468; after death, ibid.
Heroic rhythm, 3. 400 C.
Hesiod, his rewards of justice, 2. 363 B; 10. 612 A; his stories improper
for youth, 2. 377 D; his classification of the races, 8. 547 A;
a wandering rhapsode, 10. 600 D:—
Quoted:—
Theogony,
l. 154, 459, 2. 377 E.
Works and Days,
l. 40, 5. 466 B.
l. 109, 8. 546 E.
l. 122, 5. 468 E.
l. 233, 2. 363 B.
l. 287, ib. 364 D.
Fragm. 117, 3. 390 E.
Hirelings, required in the state, 2. 371 E.
Holiness of marriage, 5. 458 E, 459 [cp. Laws 6. 776]. See Marriage.
Homer, supports the theory that justice is a thief, 1. 334 B; his
rewards of justice, 2. 363 B; 10. 612 A; his stories not approved for
youth, 2. 377 D foll. (cp. 10. 595); his mode of narration, 3. 393 A
foll.; feeds his heroes on campaigners’ fare, ib. 404 C; Socrates’
feeling of reverence for him, 10. 595 C, 607 (cp. 3. 391 A); the
captain and teacher of the tragic poets, 10. 595 B, 598 D, E; not a
legislator, ib. 599 E; or a general, ib. 600 A [cp. Ion 537 foll.];
or inventor, ibid.; or teacher, ibid.; no educator, ib. 600, 606 E,
607 B; not much esteemed in his lifetime, ib. 600 B foll.; went about
as a rhapsode, ibid. Passages quoted or referred to:—
Iliad i.
l. 11 foll., 3. 392 E foll.
l. 131, 6. 501 B.
l. 225, 3. 389 E.
l. 590 foll., 2. 378 D.
l. 599 foll., 3. 389 A.
Iliad ii.
l. 623, 6. 501 C.
Iliad iii.
l. 8, 3. 389 E.
Iliad iv.
l. 69 foll., 2. 379 E.
l. 218, 3. 408 A.
l. 412, ib. 389 E.
l. 431, ibid.
Iliad v.
l. 845, 10. 612 B.
Iliad vii.
l. 321, 5. 468 D.
Iliad viii.
l. 162, ibid.
Iliad ix.
l. 497 foll., 2. 364 D.
l. 513 foll., 3. 390 E.
Iliad xi.
l. 576, ib. 405 E.
l. 624, ibid.
l. 844, ib. 408 A.
Iliad xii.
l. 311, 5. 468 E.
Iliad xiv.
l. 294 foll., 3. 390 C.
Iliad xvi.
l. 433, ib. 388 C.
l. 776, 8. 566 D.
l. 856 foll., 3. 386 E.
Iliad xviii.
l. 23 foll., ib. 388 A.
l. 54, ib. B.
Iliad xix.
l. 278 foll., ib. 390 E.
Iliad xx.
l. 4 foll., 2. 379 E.
l. 64 foll., 3. 386 C.
Iliad xxi.
l. 222 foll., ib. 391 B.
Iliad xxii.
ll. 15, 20, ib. A.
l. 168 foll., ib. 388 C.
l. 362 foll., ib. 386 E.
l. 414, ib. 388 B.
Iliad xxiii.
l. 100 foll., ib. 387 A.
l. 103 foll., ib. 386 D.
l. 151 ib. 391 B.
l. 175 ibid.
Iliad xxiv.
l. 10 foll., ib. 388 A.
l. 527, 2. 379 D.
Odyssey i.
l. 351 foll., 4. 424 D.
Odyssey viii.
l. 266 foll., 3. 390 D.
Odyssey ix.
l. 9. foll., ib. B.
l. 91 foll., 8. 560 C.
Odyssey x.
l. 495, 3. 386 E.
Odyssey xi.
l. 489 foll., ib. C; 7. 516 D.
Odyssey xii.
l. 342, 3. 390 B.
Odyssey xvii.
l. 383 foll., ib. 389 D.
l. 485 foll., 2. 381 D.
Odyssey xix.
l. 109 foll., ib. 363 B.
l. 395, 1. 334 B.
Odyssey xx.
l. 17, 3. 390 D; 4. 441 B.
Odyssey xxiv.
l. 6, 3. 387 A.
l. 40, 8. 566 D.
Homer, allusions to, 1. 328 E; 2. 381 D; 3. 390 E; 8. 544 D.
Homeridae, 10. 599 E.
Honest man, the, a match for the rogue, 3. 409 C (cp. 10. 613 C).
Honesty, fostered by the possession of wealth, 1. 331 A; thought by
mankind to be unprofitable, 2. 364 A; 3. 392 B.
Honour, pleasures enjoyed by the lover of, 9. 581 C, 586 E:
—the
‘government of honour,’ see Timocracy.
Hope, the comfort of the righteous in old age (Pindar), 1. 331 A.
Household cares, 5. 465 C.
Human interests, unimportance of, 10. 604 B (cp. 6. 486 A, and Theaet. 173;
Laws 1. 644 E; 7. 803);
—life, full of evils, 2. 379 C; shortness of,
10. 608 D;
—nature, incapable of doing many things well, 3. 395 B;
—sacrifices, 8. 565 D.
Hunger, 4. 437 E, 439; an inanition (κένωσις) of the body, 9. 585 A.
Hymns, to the gods, may be allowed in the State, 10: 607 A [cp. Laws
3. 700 A; 7. 801 E];
—marriage hymns, 5. 459 E.
Hypothesis, in mathematics and in the intellectual world, 6. 510; in
the sciences, 7. 533.
Iambic measure, 3. 400 C.
Ida, altar of the gods on, 3. 391 E.
Idea of good, the source of truth, 6. 508 (cp. 505); a cause like the
sun, ib. 508; 7. 516, 517; must be apprehended by the lover of
knowledge, 7. 534;
—ideas and phenomena, 5. 476; 6. 507;
—ideas and
hypotheses, 6. 510;
—absolute ideas, 5. 476 [cp. Phaedo 65, 74; Parm.
133]; origin of abstract ideas, 7. 523; nature of, 10. 596;
singleness of, ib. 597 [cp. Tim. 28, 51].
Idea. [The Idea of Good is an abstraction, which, under that name at
least, does not elsewhere occur in Plato’s writings. But it is
probably not essentially different from another abstraction, ‘the
true being of things,’ which is mentioned in many of his Dialogues
[cp. passages cited s. v. Being]. He has nowhere given an
explanation of his meaning, not because he was ‘regardless whether we
understood him or not,’ but rather, perhaps, because he was himself
unable to state in precise terms the ideal which floated before his
mind. He belonged to an age in which men felt too strongly the first
pleasure of metaphysical speculation to be able to estimate the true
value of the ideas which they conceived (cp. his own picture of the
effect of dialectic on the youthful mind, 7. 539). To him, as to the
Schoolmen of the Middle Ages, an abstraction seemed truer than a fact: he
was impatient to shake off the shackles of sense and rise into the
purer atmosphere of ideas. Yet in the allegory of the cave (Book VII),
whose inhabitants must go up to the light of perfect knowledge but
descend again into the obscurity of opinion, he has shown that he was
not unaware of the necessity of finding a firm starting-point for
these flights of metaphysical imagination (cp. 6. 510). A passage in
the Philebus (65 A) gives perhaps the best insight into his meaning:
‘If we are not able to hunt the good with one idea only, with three
we may take our prey,—Beauty, Symmetry, Truth.’ The three were
inseparable to the Greek mind, and no conception of perfection could
be formed in which they did not unite. (Cp. Introduction, pp. lxix,
xcvii).]
Ideal state, is it possible? 5. 471, 473; 6. 499; 7. 540 (cp. 7. 520,
and Laws 4. 711 E; 5. 739); how to be commenced, 6. 501; 7. 540:
—ideals,
value of, 5. 472. For the ideal state, see City, Constitution, Education, Guardians, Rulers, etc.
Ignorance, nature of, 5. 477, 478; an inanition (κένωσις) of the
soul, 9. 585.
Iliad, the style of, illustrated, 3. 392 E foll.; mentioned, ib. 393 A. Cp. Homer, Odyssey.
Ilion, see Troy.
Illegitimate children, 5. 461 A.
Illusions of sight, 7. 523; 10. 602 [cp. Phaedo 65 A; Phil. 380, 42 D;
Theaet. 157 E].
Images, (i.e. reflections of visible objects), 6. 510; 10. 596 (cp.
Tim. 52 D).
Imitation in style, 3. 393, 394; 10. 596 foll., 600 foll.; affects the
character, 3. 395; thrice removed from the truth, 10. 596, 597, 598,
602 B; concerned with the weaker part of the soul, ib. 604.
Imitative poetry, 10. 595; arts, inferior, ib. 605.
Imitators, ignorant, 10. 602.
Immortality, proof of, 10. 608 foll., (cp. 6. 498 C, and see Soul).
Impatience, uselessness of, 10. 604 C.
Impetuosity, 6. 503 E.
Inachus, Herè asks alms for the daughters of, 2. 381 D.
Inanitions (κένωσεις) of body and soul, 9. 585 A.
Incantations used by mendicant prophets, 2. 364 B; in medicine, 4. 426 A.
Income Tax, 1. 343 D.
Indifference to money, characteristic of those who inherit a
fortune, 1. 330 B.
Individual, inferior types of the, 8. 545; individual and state, 2.
368; 4. 434, 441; 5. 462; 8. 544; 9. 577 B [cp. Laws 3. 689; 5. 739;
9. 875, 877 C; 11. 923].
Infants have spirit, but not reason, 4. 441 [cp. Laws 12. 963 E].
Informers, 9. 575 B.
Injustice, advantage of, 1. 343; defined by Thrasymachus as discretion, ib. 348 D;
injustice and vice, ibid.; suicidal to states and
individuals, ib. 351 E [cp. Laws
10. 906 A]; in perfection, 2. 360; eulogists of, ib. 361, 366, 367;
3. 392 B (cp. 8. 545 A; 9. 588); only blamed by those who have not the
power to be unjust, 2. 366 C; in the state, 4. 434; = anarchy in the
soul, ib. 444 B [cp. Soph. 228]; brings no profit, 9. 589, 590;
10. 613.
Innovation in education dangerous, 4. 424 [cp. Laws 2. 656, 660 A]. See Gymnastic, Music.
Intellect, objects of, classified, 7. 534 (cp. 5. 476); relation of the
intellect and the good, 6. 508.
Intellectual world, divisions of, 6. 510 foll.; 7. 517; compared to
the visible, 6. 508, 509; 7. 532 A.
Intercourse between the sexes, 5. 458 foll. [cp. Laws 8. 839 foll.];
in a democracy, 8. 563 B.
Interest, sometimes irrecoverable by law, 8. 556 A [cp. Laws 5.
742 C].
Intermediates, 9. 583.
Intimations, the, given by the senses imperfect, 7. 523 foll.; 10. 602.
Intoxication, not allowed in the state, 3. 398 E, 403 E. Cp. Drinking.
Invalids, 3. 406, 407; 4. 425, 426.
Ionian harmony, must be rejected, 3. 399 A.
Iron (and brass) mingled by the God in the husbandmen and craftsmen, 3. 415 A (cp. 8. 547 A).
Ismenias, the Theban, ‘a rich and mighty man,’ 1. 336 A.
Italy, ‘can tell of Charondas as a lawgiver,’ 10. 599 E.
Judge, the good, must himself be virtuous, 3. 409 [cp. Pol. 305].
Judgement, the final, 10. 614 foll. Cp. Hades.
Juggling, 10. 602 D.
Just man, the, is at a disadvantage compared with the unjust (Thrasymachus),
1. 343; is happy, ib. 354 [cp. Laws 1. 660 E]; attains
harmony in his soul, 4. 443 E; proclaimed the happiest, 9. 580 foll.;
—just
men the friends of the gods, 10. 613 [cp. Phil. 39 E; Laws 4. 716
D];
—just and unjust are at heart the same (Glaucon), 3. 360.
Justice, = to speak the truth and pay one’s debts, 1. 331 foll.; = the
interest of the stronger, ib. 338; 2. 367 [cp. Gorg. 489; Laws
4. 714 A]; = honour among thieves, 1. 352; = the excellence of the
soul, ib. 353:
—the art which gives good and evil to friends and
enemies, ib. 332 foll., 336; is a thief, ib. 334; the proper virtue of
man, ib. 335; ‘sublime simplicity,’ ib. 348; does not aim at excess,
ib. 349; identical with wisdom and virtue, ib. 351; a principle of
harmony, ibid. (cp. 9. 591 D); in the highest class of goods, 2. 357, 367 D [cp.
Laws 1. 631 C]; the union of wisdom, temperance, and courage, 4. 433 [cp. Laws
1. 631 C]; a division of labour, ibid. foll. (cp. supra, 1. 332, 349,
350, and 1 Alcib. 127):
—nature and origin of (Glaucon), 2. 358, 359;
conventional, ib. 359 A [cp. Theaet. 172 A, 177 C; Laws
10. 889, 890]; praised for its consequences only (Adeimantus), ib.
362 E, 366; a matter of appearance, ib. 365:
—useful alike in war
and peace, 1. 333; can do no harm, ib. 335; more precious than gold,
ib. 336; toilsome, 2. 364:
—compared to health, 4. 444:
—the poets on, 2. 363, 364,
365 E:
—in perfection, ib. 361:
—more profitable than injustice, 4.
445; 9. 589 foll.; superior to injustice, 9. 589; final triumph of,
ib. 580; 10. 612, 613:
—in the state, 2. 369; 4. 431; the same in the
individual and the state, 4. 435 foll., 441 foll.:
—absolute justice, 5. 479 E; 6. 501 B; 7. 517 E.
Justice. [The search for justice is the groundwork or foundation of
the Republic, which commences with an enquiry into its nature and ends
with a triumphant demonstration of the superior happiness enjoyed
by the just man. In the First Book several definitions
of justice are attempted, all of which prove inadequate. Glaucon and
Adeimantus then intervene:—mankind regard justice as a necessity, not
as a good in itself, or at best as only to be practised because of the
temporal benefits which flow from it: can Socrates prove that it
belongs to a higher class of goods? Socrates in reply proposes to
construct an ideal state in which justice will be more easily
recognised than in the individual. Justice is thus discovered to
be the essential virtue of the state, (a thesis afterwards enlarged
upon by Aristotle [Pol. i. 2, § 16; iii. 13, § 3]), the bond of the social
organization, and, like temperance in the Laws [3. 696, 697; 4. 709
E], rather the accompaniment or condition of the virtues than a virtue
in itself [cp. Introduction, p. lxiii]. Expressed in an outward or
political form it becomes the great principle which has been already
enunciated (i. 322), ‘that every man shall do his own work;’ on this
Plato bases the necessity of the division into classes which underlies
the whole fabric of the ideal state (4. 433 foll.; Tim. 17 C). Thus we
are led to acknowledge the happiness of the just; for he alone reflects in
himself this vital principle of the state (4. 445). The
final proof is supplied by a comparison of the perfect state with
actual forms of government. These, like the individuals who correspond
to them, become more and more miserable as they recede further from
the ideal, and the climax is reached (9. 587) when the tyrant is
shown by the aid of arithmetic to have ‘729 times less pleasure than
the king’ [i.e. the perfectly just ruler]. Lastly, the happiness of
the just is proved to extend also into the next world, where men
appear before the judgment
seat of heaven and receive the due reward of their deeds in this
life.]
King, the Great, 8. 553 D:
—pleasure of the king and the tyrant
compared, 9. 587 foll.;
—kings and philosophers, 5. 473 (cp. 6. 487 E,
498 foll., 501 E foll.; 7. 540; 8. 543; 9. 592).
Kisses, the reward of the brave warrior, 5. 468 C.
Knowledge (ἐπιστήμη, γιγνώσκειν), = knowledge of ideas, 6. 484;
—nature
of, 5. 477, 478; classed among faculties, ib. 477; 6. 511 E;
7. 533 E;
—previous, to birth, 7. 518 C;
—how far given by sense, ib.
529 [cp. Phaedo 75];
—should not be acquired under compulsion, ib.
536 E;
—the foundation of courage, 4. 429 [cp. Laches 193, 197; Protag.
350, 360];
—knowledge and opinion, 5. 476–478; 6. 508, 510 A; 7. 534;
knowledge and pleasure, 6. 505; knowledge and wisdom, 4. 428;
—the
highest knowledge, 6. 504; 7. 514 foll.;
—unity of knowledge, 5. 479 [cp. Phaedo 101];
—the best knowledge, 10. 618;
—knowledge of shadows,
6. 511 D; 7. 534 A:
—love of knowledge characteristic of the
Hellenes, 4. 435 E; peculiar to the rational element of the soul, 9.
581 B.
Labour, division of, 2. 370, 374 A; 3. 394 E, 395 B, 397 E; 4. 423 E,
433 A, 435 A, 441 E, 443, 453 B [cp. Laws 8. 846, 847].
Lacedaemon, owes its good order to Lycurgus, 10. 599 E;
—constitution of,
commonly extolled, 8. 544 D; a timocracy, ib. 545 B:
—Lacedaemonians
first after the Cretans to strip in the gymnasia, 5. 452 D.
Lachesis, turns the spindle of Necessity together with Clotho and
Atropos, 10. 617 C; her speech, ib. D; apportions a genius to each
soul, ib. 620 D.
Lamentation over the dead, to be checked, 3. 387.
Lands, partition of, proclaimed by the would-be tyrant, 8. 565 E, 566 E.
Language, pliability of, 9. 588 D [cp. Soph. 277 B].
Laughter not to be allowed in the guardians, 3. 388 [cp. Laws 5. 732;
11. 935]; nor represented in the gods, ib. 389.
Laws, may be given in error, 1. 339 E; supposed to arise from a
convention among mankind, 2. 359 A; cause of, 3. 405; on special
subjects of little use, 4. 425, 426 [cp. Laws 7. 788]; treated with
contempt in democracies, 8. 563 E; bring help to all in the state, 9. 590.
Lawyers, increase when wealth abounds, 4. 405 A.
Learning, pleasure of, 6. 486 C (cp. 9. 581, 586).
Legislation, cannot reach the minutiae of life, 4. 425, 426; requires the help
of God, ib. 425 E. Cp. Laws.
Leontius, story of, 4. 439 E.
Lethe, 10. 621.
Letters, image of the large and small, 2. 368; 3. 402 A.
Liberality, one of the virtues of the philosopher, 6. 485 E.
Liberty, characteristic of democracy, 8. 557 B, 561–563.
Licence, begins in music, 4. 424 E [cp. Laws 3. 701 B]; in democracies, 8. 562 D.
Licentiousness forbidden, 5. 458.
Lie, a, hateful to the philosopher, 6. 490 C (cp. supra 486 E);
—the
true lie and the lie in words, 2. 382;
—the royal lie (γενναίον ψεῦδος),
3. 414;
—rulers of the state may lie, 2. 382; 3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D;
—the
Gods not to be represented as lying, 2. 382;
—lies of the poets,
ib. 377 foll.; 3. 386, 408 B (cp. 10. 597 foll.).
Life in the early state, 2. 372;
—loses its zest in old age, 1. 329 A;
full of evils, 2. 379 C; intolerable without virtue, 4. 445; shortness
of, compared to eternity, 10. 608 D;
—the life of virtue toilsome, 2.
364 D;
—the just or the unjust, which is the more advantageous? ib.
347 foll.;
—three kinds of lives among men, 9. 581;
—life of women ought
to resemble that of men, 5. 451 foll. [cp. Laws 7. 804 E];
—the
necessities of life, 2. 369, 373 A;
—the prime of life, 5. 460 E.
Light, 6. 507 E. Cp. Sight, Vision.
Light and heavy, 5. 479; 7. 524.
Like to like, 4. 425 C.
Literature (λόγοι), included under ‘music’ in education, 2. 376 E.
Litigation, the love of, ignoble, 3. 405.
Logic; method of residues, 4. 427;
—accidents and essence distinguished, 5. 454;
—nature
of opposition, 4. 436;
—categories, πρός τι,
4. 437; quality and relation, ibid.;
—fallacies, 6. 487. For Plato’s
method of definitions, see Knowledge, Temperance; and cp. Dialectic,
Metaphysic.
Lotophagi, 8. 560 C.
Lots, use of, 5. 460 A, 462 E; election by, characteristic of
democracy, 8. 557 A.
Love of the beautiful, 3. 402, 403 [cp. 1 Alcib. 131]; bodily love and
true love, ib. 403; love and the love of knowledge, 5. 474 foll.; is
of the whole, not of the part, ib. C, 475 B; 6. 485 B;
a tyrant, 9. 573 B, 574 E (cp. 1. 329 B):
—familiarities which may be allowed
between the lover and the beloved,
3. 403 B:
—lovers’ names, 5. 474:
—lovers of wine, ib. 475 A:
—lovers
of beautiful sights and sounds, ib. 476 B, 479 A, 480.
Luxury in the state, 2. 372, 373; a cause of disease, 3. 405 E; would
not give happiness to the citizens, 4. 420, 421; makes men cowards,
9. 590 B.
Lycaean Zeus, temple of, 8. 565 D.
Lycurgus, the author of the greatness of Lacedaemon, 10. 599 E.
Lydia, kingdom of, obtained by Gyges, 2. 359 C:
—Lydian harmonies,
to be rejected, 3. 398 E foll.
Lying, a privilege of the state, 3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D.
Lyre, the instrument of Apollo, and allowed in the best state, 3. 399 D.
Lysanias, father of Cephalus, 1. 330 B.
Lysias, the brother of Polemarchus, 1. 328 B.
Madman, arms not to be returned to a, 1. 331; fancies of madmen, 8. 573 C.
Magic, 10. 602 D.
Magistrates, elected by lot in democracy, 8. 557 A.
Magnanimity, (μεγαλόπρεπεια), one of the philosopher’s virtues, 6. 486 A, 490 E, 494 A.
Maker, the, not so good a judge as the user, 10. 601 C [cp. Crat. 390].
Man, ‘the master of himself,’ 4. 430 E [cp. Laws 1. 626 E foll.];
‘the form and likeness of God,’ 6. 501 B [cp. Phaedr. 248 A; Theaet.
176 C; Laws 4. 716 D]; his unimportance, 10. 604 B (cp. 6. 486 A,
and Laws 1. 644 E; 7. 803); has the power to choose his own destiny,
10. 617 E;
—the one best man, 6. 502 [cp. Pol. 301]:
—Men are not just
of their own will, 2. 366 C; unite in the state in order to supply
each other’s wants, ib. 369;
—the nature of men and women, 5. 453–455;
—analogy
of men and animals, ib. 459;
—three classes of, 9. 581.
Manners, influenced by education, 4. 424, 425; cannot be made the
subject of legislation, ibid.; freedom of, in democracies, 8. 563 A.
‘Many,’ the term, as applied to the beautiful, the good, &c., 6. 507.
Many, the, flatter their leaders into thinking themselves statesmen,
4. 426; wrong in their notions about the honourable and the good, 6.
493 E; would lose their harsh feeling towards philosophy if they could
see the true philosopher, ib. 500; their pleasures and pains, 9.
586;
—‘the great beast,’ 6. 493. Cp. Multitude.
Marionette players, 7. 514 B.
Marriage, holiness of, 5. 458 E, 459; age for, ib. 460; prayers and
sacrifices at, ibid.;
—marriage festivals, ib. 459, 460.
Marsyas, Apollo to be preferred to, 3. 399 E.
Mathematics, 7. 522–532; use of hypotheses in, 6. 510;
—mathematical
notions perceived by a faculty of the soul, 6. 511 C:
—the mathematician not
usually a dialectician, 7. 531 E.
Mean, happiness of the, 10. 619 A [cp. Laws 3. 679 A; 5. 728 E;
7. 792 D].
Meanness, unknown to the philosopher, 6. 486 A; characteristic of
the oligarchs, 8. 554.
Measurement, art of, corrects the illusions of sight, 10. 602 D.
Meat, roast, the best diet for soldiers, 3. 404 D.
Medicine, cause of, 3. 405; not intended to preserve unhealthy and
intemperate subjects, ib. 406 foll., 408 A; 4. 426 A [cp. Tim. 89 B];
the two kinds of, 5. 459 [cp. Laws 4. 720]; use of incantations
in, 4. 426 A;
—analogy of, employed in the definition of justice, 1. 332 C.
Megara, battle of, 2. 368 A.
Melody, in education, 3. 398 foll.; its influence, 10. 601 B.
Memory, the philosopher should have a good, 6. 486 D, 490 E, 494 A; 7. 535 B.
Mendicant prophets, 2. 364 C.
Menelaus, treatment of, when wounded, 3. 408 A.
Menoetius, father of Patroclus, 3. 388 C.
Mental blindness, causes of, 7. 518.
Merchants, necessary in the state, 2. 371.
Metaphysics; absolute ideas, 5. 476;
—abstract and relative ideas, 7.
524;
—analysis of knowledge, 6. 510;
—qualifications of relative and
correlative, 4. 437 foll.; 7. 524. Cp. Idea, Logic.
Metempsychosis, 10. 617. Cp. Soul.
Midas, wealth of, 3. 408 B.
Might and right, 1. 338 foll. [cp. Gorg. 483, 489; Laws 1. 627; 3.
690; 10. 890].
Miletus, Thales of, 10. 600 A.
Military profession, the, 2. 374.
Mimetic art, in education, 3. 394 foll.; the same person cannot
succeed in tragedy and comedy, ib. 395 A; imitations lead to habit,
ib. D; men acting women’s part, ib. E; influence on character, ibid.
foll. Cp. Imitation.
‘Mine and thine,’ a common cause of dispute, 5. 462.
Ministers of the state must be educated, 7. 519. See Ruler.
Miser, the, typical of the oligarchical state, 8. 555 A (cp. 559 D).
Misfortune, to be borne with patience, 3. 387; 10. 603–606.
Models (or types), by which the poets are to be guided in their
compositions, 2. 379 A.
Moderation, necessity of, 5. 466 B [cp. Laws 3. 690 E; 5. 732, 736 E].
Momus (god of jealousy), 6. 487 A.
Monarchy, distinguished from aristocracy as that form of the perfect
state in which one rules, 4. 445 C (cp. 9. 576 D, and Pol. 301); the
happiest form of government, 9. 576 E (cp. 580 C, 587 B).
Money, needed in the state, 2. 371 B [cp. Laws 11. 918]; not necessary
in order to carry on war, 4. 423;
—love of, among the Egyptians and
Phoenicians, ib. 435 E; characteristic of timocracy and oligarchy, 8.
548 A, 553, 562 A; referred to the appetitive element of the soul, 9.
580 E; despicable, ib. 589 E, 590 C (cp. 3. 390 E).
Money-lending, in oligarchies, 8. 555, 556.
Money-making, art of, in Cephalus’ family, 1. 330 B; evil of, 8. 556;
pleasure of, 9. 581 C, 586 E.
Money-qualifications in oligarchies, 8. 550, 551.
Moon, reputed mother of Orpheus, 2. 364 E.
Motherland, a Cretan word, 9. 575 E [cp. Menex. 237].
Mothers in the state, 5. 460.
Motion and rest, 4. 436;
—motion of the stars, 7. 529, 530; 10. 616 E.
Multitude, the, the great Sophist, 6. 492; their madness, ib. 496 C.
Cp. Many.
Musaeus, his pictures of a future life, 2. 363 D, E, 364 E.
Muses, the, Musaeus and Orpheus the children of, 2. 364 E.
Music, to be taught before gymnastic, 2. 376 E (cp. 3. 403 C); includes
literature (λόγοι), 2.
376 E;
—in education, ib. 377 foll.; 3. 398 foll.; 7. 522 A (see
Poetry, Poets, and cp. Protag. 326; Laws 2. 654, 660); complexity in,
to be rejected, 3. 397 [cp. Laws 7. 812]; the severe and the vulgar
kind, ibid. [cp. Laws 7. 802]; the end of, the love of beauty, ib. 403 C; like gymnastic, should be studied throughout life, ibid.; the
simpler kinds of, foster temperance in the soul, ib. 404 A, 410 A;
effect of excessive, ib. 410, 411; ancient forms of, not to be
altered, 4. 424 [cp. Laws 2. 657; 7. 799, 801]; must be taught to
women, 5. 452.
Music. [Music to the ancients had a far wider significance than to us.
It was opposed to gymnastic as ‘mental’ to ‘bodily’ training, and
included equally reading and writing, mathematics, harmony, poetry,
and music strictly speaking: drawing, as Aristotle tells us (Pol.
viii. 3, § 1), was sometimes made a separate division.
I. Music (in
this wider sense), Plato says, should precede gymnastic; and,
according to a remarkable passage in the Protagoras (325 C), the
pupils in a Greek school were actually instructed in reading and
writing, made to learn poetry by heart, and taught to play on the
lyre, before they went to the gymnasium. The ages at which children
should commence these various studies are not stated in the Republic;
but in the VIIth Book of the Laws, where the subject is treated more
in detail, the children begin going to school at ten, and spend three
years in learning to read and write, and another three years in music
(Laws 7. 810). This agrees very fairly with the selection of the
most promising youth at the age of twenty (Rep. 7. 537), as it would
allow a corresponding period of three years for gymnastic training.
II. Music, strictly so called, plays a great part in Plato’s scheme
of education. He hopes by its aid to make the lives of his youthful
scholars harmonious and gracious, and to implant in their souls true
conceptions of good and evil. Music is a gift of the Gods to men,
and was never intended, ‘as the many foolishly and blasphemously suppose,’
merely to give us an idle pleasure (Tim. 47 E; Laws 2. 654, 658
E; 7. 802 D). Neither should a freeman aim at attaining perfect
execution [cp. Arist. Pol. viii. 6, §§ 7, 15]: in the Laws (7. 810) we
are told that every one must go through the three years course of
music, ‘neither more nor less, whether he like or whether he dislike
the study.’ Both instruments and music are to be of a simple
character: in the Republic only the lyre, the pipe, and the flute
are tolerated, and the Dorian and Phrygian harmonies. No change in the
fashions of music is permitted; for where there is licence in music
there will be anarchy in the state. In this desire for simplicity and
fixity in music Plato was probably opposed to the tendencies of his
own age. The severe harmony which had once characterized Hellenic art
was passing out of favour: alike in architecture, sculpture, painting,
literature, and music, richer and more ornate styles prevailed.
We regard the change as inevitable, and not perhaps wholly to be
regretted: to Plato it was a cause rather than a sign of the decline
of Hellas.]
Musical amateurs, 5. 475;
—education, 2. 377; 3. 398 foll.; 7. 522 A;
—instruments,
the more complex kinds of, rejected, 3. 399 [cp. Laws
7. 812 D];
—modes, ib. 397–399; changes in, involve changes in the laws,
4. 424 C.
Mysteries, 2. 365 A, 366 A, 378 A; 8. 560 E.
Mythology, misrepresentations of the gods in, 2. 378 foll.; 3. 388
foll., 408 C (cp. Gods); like poetry, has an imitative character, 3.
392 D foll.
Narration, styles of, 3. 392, 393, 396.
National qualities, 4. 435.
Natural gifts, 2. 370 A; 5. 455; 6. 491 E, 495 A; 7. 519, 535.
Nature, recurrent cycles in, 8. 546 A (cp. Cycles); divisions of, 9. 584
[cp. Phil. 23].
Necessities, the, of life, 2. 368, 373 A.
Necessity, the mother of the Fates, 10. 616, 617, 621 A.
Necessity, the, ‘which lovers know,’ 5. 458 E;
—the ‘necessity of
Diomede,’ 6. 493 D.
Nemesis, 5. 451 A.
Niceratus, son of Nicias, 1. 327 C.
Nicias, 1. 327 C.
Nightingale, Thamyras changed into a, 10. 620.
Niobe, sufferings of, in tragic poetry, 2. 380 A.
νόμος, strain and law, 7. 532 E [cp. Laws 7. 800 A].
Not-being, 5. 477.
Novelties in music and gymnastic to be discouraged, 4. 424.
Number, said to have been invented by Palamedes, 7. 522 D;
—the
number of the State, 8. 546.
Objects and ideas to be distinguished, 5. 476; 6. 507.
Odysseus and Alcinous, 10. 614 B; chooses the lot of a private man,
ib. 620 D.
Odyssey, 3. 393 A. Cp. Iliad.
Office, not desired by the good ruler, 7. 520 A.
Old age, complaints against, 1. 329; Sophocles quoted in regard to,
ibid.; wealth a comforter of age, ibid.;
—old men think more of the
future life, ib. 330; not students, 7. 536 [cp. Laches 189];
—the older
to bear rule in the state, 3. 412 [cp. Laws 3. 690 A; 4. 714 E]; to be
over the younger, 5. 465 A [cp. Laws 4. 721 D; 9. 879 C; 11. 917 A].
Oligarchy, a form of government which has many evils, 8. 544, 551,
552; origin of, ib. 550; nature of, ibid.; always divided against
itself, ib. 551 D, 554 E
—the oligarchical man, 8. 553; a miser,
ib. 555; his place in regard to pleasure, 9. 587.
Olympian Zeus, the Saviour, 9. 583 B.
Olympic victors, happiness and glory of, 5. 465 D, 466 A (cp. 10.
618 A).
One, the, study of, draws the mind to the contemplation of true being,
7. 525 A.
Opinion and knowledge, 5. 476–478; 6. 508 D, 510 A; 7. 534; the
lovers of opinion, 5. 479, 480; a blind guide, 6. 506; objects of
opinion and intellect classified, 7. 534 (cp. 5. 476);
—true opinion
and courage, 4. 429, 430 (cp. Courage).
Opposites, qualification of, 4. 436; in nature, 5. 454, 475 E. Cp.
Contradiction.
Oppositions in the soul, 10. 603 D.
Orpheus, child of the Moon and the Muses, 2. 364 E; soul of, chooses a
swan’s life, 10. 620 A;
—quoted, 2. 364 E.
Paeanian, Charmantides the, 1. 328 B.
Pain, cessation of, causes pleasure, 9. 583 D [cp. Phaedo 60 A;
Phil. 51 A]; a motion of the soul, ib. E.
Painters, 10. 596, 597; are imitators, ib. 597 [cp. Soph. 234]; painters
and poets, ib. 597, 603, 605:
—‘the
painter of constitutions,’ 6. 501.
Painting, in light and shade, 10. 602 C.
Palamedes and Agamemnon in the play, 7. 522 D.
Pamphylia, Ardiaeus a tyrant of some city in, 10. 615 C.
Pandarus, author of the violation of the oaths, 2. 379 E; wounded
Menelaus, 3. 408 A.
Panharmonic scale, the, 3. 399.
Panopeus, father of Epeus, 10. 620 B.
Pantomimic representations, not to be allowed, 3. 397.
Paradox about justice and injustice, the, 1. 348.
Parental anxieties, 5. 465 C [cp. Euthyd. 306 E].
Parents, the oldest and most indispensable of friends, 8. 574 C;
parents and children in the state, 5. 461.
Part and whole, in regard to the happiness of the state, 4. 420 D;
5. 466; 7. 519 E; in love, 5. 474 C, 475 B; 6. 485 B.
Passionate element of the soul, 4. 440; 6. 504 A; 8. 548 D; 9.
571 E, 580 A. See Spirit.
Passions, the, tyranny of, 1. 329 C; fostered by poetry, 10. 606.
Patient and agent equally qualified, 4. 436 [cp. Gorg. 476; Phil.
27 A].
Patroclus, cruel vengeance taken by Achilles for, 3. 391 B; his treatment of the wounded Eurypylus,
ib. 406 A.
Pattern, the heavenly, 6. 500 E; 7. 540 A; 9. 592 [cp. Laws 5. 739 D].
Paupers. See Poor.
Payment, art of, 1. 346.
Peirithous, son of Zeus, the tale of, not to be repeated, 3. 391 D.
Peleus, the gentlest of men, 3. 391 C.
Perception, in the eye and in the soul, 6. 508 foll.
Perdiccas [King of Macedonia], 1. 336 A.
Perfect state, difficulty of, 5. 472; 6. 502 E [cp. Laws 4. 711]; possible, 5. 471,
473; 6. 499; 7. 540 [cp. Laws 5. 739]; manner of its
decline, 8. 546 [cp. Crit. 120].
Periander, the tyrant, 1. 336 A.
Personalities, avoided by the philosopher, 6. 500 B [cp. Theaet.
174 C].
Personification; the argument compared to a search or chase, 2. 368 C; 4. 427 C, 432; to a stormy sea, 4. 441 B; to an ocean, 5. 453 D; to
a game of draughts, 6. 487 B; to a journey, 7. 532 E; to a charm, 10.
608 A;
—‘has travelled a long way,’ 6. 484 A;
—‘veils her face,’ ib. 503 A;
—‘following in the footsteps of the argument,’ 2. 365 C;
—‘whither
the argument may blow, thither we go,’ 3. 394 D;
—‘a swarm of
words,’ 5. 450 B;
—the three waves, ib. 457 C, 472 A, 473 C.
Persuasion [or Faith], one of the faculties of the soul, 6. 511 D; 7. 533 E.
Philosopher, the, has the quality of gentleness, 2. 375, 376; 3. 410;
6. 486 C; ‘the spectator of all time and all existence,’ 6. 486 A [cp.
Theaet. 173 E]; should have a good memory, ib. D, 490 E, 494 A; 7.
535; has his mind fixed upon true being, 6. 484, 485, 486 E, 490, 500 C, 501 D; 7. 521, 537 D; 9. 581, 582 C (cp. 5. 475 E; 7. 520 B, 525, and
Phaedo 82; Phaedr. 249; Theaet. 173 E; Soph. 249 D, 254); his qualifications
and excellences, 6. 485 foll., 490 D, 491 B, 494 B [cp. Phaedo 68];
corruption of the philosopher, ib. 491 foll.; is apt to retire from the
world, ib. 496 [cp. Theaet. 173]; does not delight in personal
conversation, ib. 500 B [cp. Theaet. 174 C]; must be an arithmetician,
7. 525 B; pleasures of the philosopher, 9. 581 E:
—Philosophers are to be kings,
5. 473 (cp. 6. 487 E, 498 foll., 501 E foll.; 7. 540; 8. 543; 9. 592); are lovers of
all knowledge, 5. 475; 6. 486 A, 490; true and false, 5. 475 foll.;
6. 484, 491, 494, 496 A, 500; 7. 535; to be guardians, 2. 375 (see Guardians);
why they are useless, 6. 487 foll.; few in number, ib. E, 496, 499 B, 503 B
[cp. Phaedo 69 C]; will frame the state after the heavenly pattern,
ib. 501; 7. 540 A; 9. 592; education of, 6. 503; philosophers and poets, 10. 607
[cp. Laws 12. 967].
Philosophic nature, the, rarity of, 6. 491; causes of the ruin of, ibid.
Philosophy, every headache ascribed to, 3. 407 C; = love of real knowledge, 6. 485
(cp. supra 5. 475 E); the corruption of, 6. 491; philosophy and the world, ib. 494;
the desolation of, ib. 495; philosophy and the arts, ib. E, 496 C
(cp. supra 5. 475 D, 476 A); true and false philosophy, 6. 496 E, 498
E; philosophy and governments, ib. 497; time set apart for, ib. 498;
7. 539; commonly neglected in after life, 6. 498; prejudice
against, ib. 500, 501; why it is useless, 7. 517, 535, 539; the
guardian and saviour of virtue, 8. 549 B; philosophy and poetry, 10. 607; aids a man to make a wise
choice in the next world, ib. 618.
Phocylides, his saying, ‘that as soon as a man has a livelihood he
should practise virtue,’ 3. 407 B.
Phoenician tale, the, 3. 414 C foll.
Phoenicians, their love of money, 4. 436 A.
Phoenix, tutor of Achilles, 3. 390 E.
Phrygian harmony, the, 3. 399.
Physician, the, not a mere money maker, 1. 341 C, 342 D; the good
physician, 3. 408; physicians find employment when luxury increases,
2. 373 C; 3. 405 A. Cp. Medicine.
Pigs, sacrificed at the Mysteries, 2. 378 A.
Pilot, the, and the just man, 1. 332 (cp. 341); the true pilot, 6. 488 E.
Pindar, on the hope of the righteous, 1. 331 A; on Asclepius, 3. 408 B;
—quoted, 2. 365 B.
Pipe, the, (σύριγξ), one of the musical instruments permitted to be
used, 3. 399 D.
Piraeus, 1. 327 A; 4. 439 E; Socrates seldom goes there, 1. 328 C.
Pittacus of Mitylene, a sage, 1. 335 E.
Plays of children should be made a means of instruction, 4. 425 A; 7.
537 A [cp. Laws 1. 643 B].
Pleasure, not akin to virtue, 3. 402, 403; pleasure and love, ibid.;
defined as knowledge or good, 6. 505 B, 509 B; the highest, 9. 583;
caused by the cessation of pain, ib. D [cp. Phaedo 60 A; Phil. 51]; a
motion of the soul, ib. E;
—real pleasure unknown to the tyrant, ib.
587;
—pleasure of learning, 6. 486 C (cp. 9. 581, 586, and Laws 2.
667);
—sensual pleasure, 7. 519; 9. 586; a solvent of the soul, 4. 430
A [cp. Laws 1. 633 E]; not desired by the philosopher, 6. 485 E:
—Pleasures,
division of, into necessary and unnecessary, 8. 558, 559, 561 A; 9. 572, 581 E; honourable and dishonourable,
8. 561 C; three classes of, 9. 581; criterion of, ib. 582; classification of,
ib. 583;
—pleasures of smell, ib. 584 B;
—pleasures of the
many, 585; of the passionate, ib. 586; of the philosopher, ib. 586,
587.
Pluto, 8. 554 B.
Poetry, styles of, 3. 392–394, 398; in the state, ib. 392–394, 398; 8.
568 B; 10. 595 foll., 605 A, 607 A [cp. Laws 7. 817]; effect of, 10.
605; feeds the passions, ib. 606; poetry and philosophy, ib. 607 [cp.
Laws 12. 967]:
—‘colours’ of poetry, ib. 601 A.
Poetry. [The Republic is the first of Plato’s works in which he
seriously examines the value of poetry in education, and the place of
the poets in the state. The question could hardly be neglected by the
philosopher who proposed to construct an ideal polity or government of
the best. For poetry played a great part in Hellenic life: the
children learned whole poems by heart in their schools (Protag. 326 A;
Laws 7. 810 C); the rhapsode delighted the crowds at the festivals (Ion
535); the theatres were free, or almost free, to all, ‘costing but a
drachma at the most’ (Apol. 26 D); the intervals of a banquet were
filled up by conversation about the poets (Protag. 347 C). The quarrel
between philosophy and poetry was an ancient one, which had found its
first expression in the attacks of Xenophanes (538 B.C.) and
Heracleitus (508 B.C.) upon the popular mythology. In the earlier
dialogues of Plato the poets are treated with an ironical courtesy,
through which an antagonistic spirit is allowed here and there to
appear: they are ‘winged and holy beings’ (Ion 534) who sing by
inspiration, but at the same time are the worst possible critics of their own
writings and the most self-conceited of mortals (Apol. 22 D). In the
Republic (II and III), Plato begins the trial of poetry by the
enquiry whether the tales and legends related by the epic and tragic
poets are true in themselves or likely to furnish good examples to
his future citizens. They cannot be true, for they are contrary to the
nature of God (see s. v. God), and they are certainly not proper
lessons for youth. There must be a censorship of poetry, and all
objectionable passages expunged; suitable rules and regulations
will be laid down, and to these the poets must conform. In the Xth
Book the argument takes a deeper tone. The Poet is proved to be an
impostor thrice removed from the truth, a wizard who steals the hearts
of the unwary by his spells and enchantments. Men easily fall into
the habit of imitating what they admire; and the lamentations and woes
of the tragic hero and the unseemly buffoonery of the comedian are
equally bad models for the citizens of a free and noble state. The
poets must therefore be banished, unless, Plato adds, the lovers of
poetry can persuade us of her innocence of the charges laid against
her. In the Laws a similar conclusion is reached:—‘The state is an
imitation of the best life, and the noblest form of tragedy. The
legislator and the poet are rivals, and the latter can only be
tolerated if his words are in harmony with the laws of the state’
(vii. 817)].
Poets, the, love their poems as their own creation, 1.
330 C [cp. Symp. 209]; speak in parables, ib. 332 B (cp. 3. 413 B);
on justice, 2. 363, 364, 365 E; bad teachers of youth,
ib. 377; 3. 391, 392, 408 C [cp.
Laws 10. 866 C, 890 A]; must be restrained by certain rules, 2. 379
foll.; 3. 398 A [cp. Laws 2. 656, 660 A; 4. 719]; banished from the
state, 3. 398 A; 8. 568 B; 10. 595 foll., 605 A, 607 A [cp. Laws 7.
817]; poets and tyrants, 8. 568; thrice removed from the truth, 10.
596, 597, 598 E, 602 B, 605 C; imitators only, ib. 600, 601 (cp. 3.
393, and Laws 4. 719 C); poets and painters, 10. 601, 603, 605;
—‘the
poets who were children and prophets of the gods’ (? Orpheus and
Musaeus; cp. supra 364 E), 2. 366 A.
Polemarchus, the son of Cephalus, 1. 327 B; ‘the heir of the argument,’ ib. 331;
intervenes in the discussion, ib. 340; wishes Socrates to speak in detail about
the community of women and children, 5. 449.
Politicians, in democracies, 8. 564.
Polydamas, the pancratiast, 1. 338 C.
Poor, the, have no time to be ill, 3. 406 E; everywhere hostile to the
rich, 4. 423 A; 8. 551 E [cp. Laws 5. 736 A]; very numerous in
oligarchies, 8. 552 D; not despised by the rich in time of danger,
ib. 556 C.
Population, to be regulated, 5. 460.
Poverty, prejudicial to the arts, 4. 421; poverty and crime, 8. 552.
Power, the struggle for, 7. 520 C [cp. Laws 4. 715 A].
Pramnian wine, 3. 405 E, 408 A.
Priam, Homer’s delineation of, condemned, 3. 388 B.
Prisoners in war, 5. 468–470.
Private property, not allowed to the guardians, 3. 416 E; 4. 420 A,
422 D; 5. 464 C; 8. 543.
Prizes of valour, 5. 468.
Prodicus, a popular teacher, 10. 600 C.
Property, to be common, 3. 416 E; 4. 420 A, 422 D; 5. 464 C; 8. 543;
restrictions on the disposition of, 8. 556 A [cp. Laws 11. 923]:
—property
qualifications in oligarchies, ib. 550, 551.
Prophets, mendicant, 2. 364 C.
Proportion, akin to truth, 6. 486 E.
Prose writers on justice, 2. 364 A.
Protagoras, his popularity as a teacher, 10. 600 C.
Proteus, not to be slandered, 2. 381 D.
Proverbs: ‘birds of a feather,’ 1. 329 A; ‘shave a lion,’ ib. 341 C;
‘let brother help brother,’ 2. 362 D; ‘wolf and flock,’ 3. 415 D; ‘one
great thing,’4. 423 E; ‘hard is the good,’ ib. 435 C; ‘friends have
all things in common,’ 5. 449 C; ‘the useful is the noble,’ ib. 457 B;
‘the wise must go to the doors of the rich,’ 6. 489 B (cp. 2. 364 B);
‘what is more than human,’ 6. 492 E; ‘the necessity of
Diomede,’ ib. 493 D; ‘the she-dog as good as her mistress,’ 8. 563 D; ‘out
of the smoke into the fire,’ ib. 569 B; ‘does not come within a
thousand miles’ (οὐδ’ ἴκταρ βάλλει), 9. 575 D.
Public, the, the great Sophist, 6. 492; compared to a many-headed
beast, ib. 493; cannot be philosophic, ib. 494 A [cp. Pol. 292 D]. See
Many, Multitude.
Punishment, of the wicked, in the world below, 2. 363; 10. 614. Cp.
Hades, World below.
Purgation of the luxurious state, 3. 399 E;
—of the city by the tyrant,
8. 567 D;
—of the soul, by the tyrannical man, ib. 573 A.
Pythagoreans, the, authorities on the science of harmony, 7. 529, 530,
531; never reach the natural harmonies of number, ib. 531 C;
—the
Pythagorean way of life, 10. 600 A.
Pythian Oracle, the, 5. 461 E; 7. 540 C.
Quacks, 5. 459.
Quarrels, dishonourable, 2. 378; 3. 395 E; will be unknown in the best
state, 2. 378 B; 5. 464 E [cp. Laws 5. 739];
—quarrels of the Gods and
heroes, 2. 378.
Rational element of the soul, 4. 435–442; 6. 504 A; 8. 550 A; 9. 571,
580 E, 581 [cp. Tim. 69 E–72]; ought to bear rule, and be assisted by
the spirited element against the passions, 4. 441 E, 442;
characterized by the love of knowledge, 9. 581 B; the pleasures of,
the truest, ib. 582; preserves the mind from the illusions of sense,
10. 602.
Rationalism among youth, 7. 538 [cp. Laws 10. 886].
Reaction, 8. 564 A.
Read, learning to, 3. 402 A.
Reason, a faculty of the soul, 6. 511 D (cp. 7. 533 E); reason and
appetite, 9. 571 (cp. 4. 439–442, and Tim. 69 E foll.); reason should
be the guide of pleasure, 9. 585–587.
Reflections, 6. 510 A.
Relations, slights inflicted by, in old age, 1. 329.
Relative and correlative, qualifications of, 4. 437 foll. [cp. Gorg.
476]; how corrected, 7. 524.
Relativity of things and individuals, 5. 479; fallacies caused by, 9.
584, 585; 10. 602, 605 C.
Religion, matters of, left to the god at Delphi, 4. 427 A (cp. 5. 461 E, 469 A; 7. 540 B).
Residues, method of, 4. 427 E.
Rest and motion, 4. 436.
Retail traders, necessary in the state, 2. 371 [cp. Laws 11. 918].
Reverence in the young, 5. 465 A [cp. Laws 5, 729; 9. 879; 11. 917 A].
Rhetoric, professors of, 2. 365 D.
Rhythm, 3. 400; goes with the subject, ib. 398 D, 400 B; its persuasive
influence, ib. 401 E; 10. 601 B.
Riches. See Wealth.
Riddle, the, of the eunuch and the bat, 5. 479 C.
Ridicule, only to be directed against folly and vice, 5. 452 E; danger
of unrestrained ridicule, 10. 606 C [cp. Laws 11. 935 A].
Riding, the children of the guardians to be taught, 5. 467; 7. 537 A
[cp. Laws 7. 794 D].
Right and might, 1. 338 foll.
Ruler, the, in the strict and in the popular sense, 1. 341 B; the true
ruler does not ask, but claim obedience, 6. 489 C [cp. Pol. 300, 301];
the ideal ruler, ib. 502:
—Rulers of states; do they study their own
interests? 1. 338 D, 343, 346 (cp. 7. 520 C); are not infallible, 1.
339; how they are paid, ib. 347; good men do not desire office, ibid.;
7. 520 D; why they become rulers, 1. 347; present rulers dishonest,
6. 496 D:
—[in the best state] must be tested by pleasures and pains,
3. 413 (cp. 6. 503 A; 7. 539 E); have the sole privilege of lying, 2.
382; 3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D [cp. Laws 2. 663]; must be taken from
the older citizens, 3. 412 (cp. 6. 498 C); will be called friends and
saviours, 5. 463; 6. 502 E; must be philosophers, 2. 376; 5. 473; 6.
484, 497 foll., 501, 503 B; 7. 520, 521, 525 B, 540; 8. 543; the
qualities which must be found in them, 6. 503 A; 7. 535; must attain
to the knowledge of the good, 6, 506; 7. 519; will accept office as
a necessity, 7. 520 E, 540 A; will be selected at twenty, and again at
thirty, from the guardians, ib. 537; must learn arithmetic, ib. 522–526; geometry,
ib. 526, 527; astronomy, ib. 527–530; harmony, ib. 531; at thirty must
be initiated into philosophy, ib. 537–539; at thirty-five must enter
on active life, ib. 539 E; after fifty may return to philosophy, ib.
540; when they die, will be buried by the state and paid divine
honours, 3. 414 A; 5. 465 E, 469 A; 7. 540 B. Cp. Guardians.
Sacrifices, private, 1. 328 B, 331 D;
—in atonement, 2. 364;
—human,
in Arcadia, 8. 565 D.
Sailors, necessary in the state, 2. 371 B.
Sarpedon, 3. 388 C.
Sauces, not mentioned in Homer, 3. 404 D.
Scamander, beleaguered by Achilles, 3. 391 B.
Scepticism, danger of, 7. 538, 539.
Science (ἐπιστήμη), a division of the intellectual world, 7. 533 E
(cp. 6. 511);
—the sciences distinguished by their object, 4. 438
[cp. Charm. 171]; not to be studied with a view to utility only, 7.
527 A, 529, 530; their unity, ib. 531; use hypotheses, ib. 533;
correlation of, ib. 537.
Sculpture, must only express the image of the good, 3. 401 B; painting
of, 4. 420 D [cp. Laws 2. 668 E].
Scylla, 9. 588 C.
Scythian, Anacharsis the, 10. 600 A;
—Scythians, the, characterized by
spirit or passion, 4. 435 E.
Self-indulgence in men and states, 4. 425 E, 426;
—self-interest the natural
guide of men, 2. 359 B;
—self-made men bad company, 1. 330 C;
—self-mastery, 4. 430, 431.
Sense, objects of, twofold, 7. 523; knowledge given by, imperfect,
ibid.; 10. 602; sense and intellect, 7. 524:
—Senses, the, classed
among faculties, 5. 477 C.
Seriphian, story of Themistocles and the, 1. 329 E.
Servants, old family, 8. 549 E.
Sex in the world below, 10. 618 B;
—sexes to follow the same training, 5. 451,
466 [cp. Laws 7. 805]; equality of, advantageous, ib.
456, 457; relation between, ib. 458 foll. [cp. Laws 8. 835 E]; freedom
of intercourse between, in a democracy, 8. 563 B. Cp. Women.
Sexual desires, 5. 458 E [cp. Laws 6. 783 A; 8. 835 E].
Shadows, 6. 510 A;
—knowledge of shadows (εἰκασία), one of the faculties
of the soul, 6. 511 E; 7. 533 E.
Shepherd, the analogy of, with the ruler, 1. 343, 345 [cp. Pol. 275].
Shopkeepers, necessary in the state, 2. 371 [cp. Laws 11. 918].
Short sight, 2. 368 D.
Sicily, ‘can tell of Charondas,’ 10. 599 E;
—Sicilian cookery, 3. 404 D.
Sight, placed in the class of faculties, 5. 477 C; requires in
addition to vision and colour, a third element, light, 6. 507; the
most wonderful of the senses, ibid.; compared to mind, ib. 508; 7. 532 A; illusions of, 7. 523; 10. 602, 603 D:
—the world of sight, 7. 517.
Sign, the, of Socrates, 6. 496 C.
Silver, mingled by the God in the auxiliaries, 3. 415 A (cp. 416 E; 8.
547 A);
—[and gold] not allowed to the guardians, 3. 416 E; 4. 419, 422 D; 5. 464 D (cp. 8. 543).
Simonides, his definition of justice discussed, 1. 331 D–335 E; a
sage, ib. 335 E.
Simplicity, the first principle of education, 3. 397 foll., 400 E,
404; the two kinds of, ib. 400 E; of the good man, ib. 409 A;
in diet, 8. 559 C (cp. 3. 404 D).
Sin, punishment of, 2. 363; 10. 614 foll. Cp. Hades, World below.
Sirens, harmony of the, 10. 617 B.
Skilled person, the, cannot err (Thrasymachus), 1. 340 D.
Slavery, more to be feared than death, 3. 387 A; of Hellenes condemned, 5. 469 B.
Slaves, the uneducated man harsh towards, 8. 549 A; enjoy great
freedom in a democracy, ib. 563 B; always inclined to rise against
their masters, 9. 578 [cp. Laws 6. 776, 777].
Smallness and greatness, 4. 438 B; 5. 479 B; 7. 523, 524; 9. 575 C;
10. 602 D, 605 C.
Smell, pleasures of, 9. 584 B.
Snake-charming, 1. 358 B.
Socrates, goes down to the Peiraeus to see the feast of Bendis, 1.
327; detained by Polemarchus and Glaucon, ibid.; converses with
Cephalus, ib. 328–332; trembles before Thrasymachus, ib. 336 D; his
irony, ib. 337 A; his poverty, ib. D; a sharper in argument, ib. 340 D; ignorant of what justice is, ib. 354 C; his powers of fascination, 2. 358 A;
requested by Glaucon and Adeimantus to praise
justice per se, ib. 367 B; cannot refuse to help justice, ib. 368 C;
4. 427 D; his oath ‘by the dog,’ 3. 399 E; 8. 567 E; 9. 592 A; hoped to
have evaded discussing the subject of women and children, 5. 449, 472,
473 (cp. 6. 502 E); his love of truth, 5. 451 A; 6. 504; his power
in argument, 6. 487 B; not unaccustomed to speak in parables, ib. E;
his sign, ib. 496 C; his earnestness in behalf of philosophy, 7. 536 B; his reverence for Homer, 10. 595 C, 607 (cp. 3. 391 A).
Soldiers, must form a separate class, 2. 374; the diet suited for, 3.
404 D (cp. Guardians);
—women to be soldiers, 5. 452, 466, 471 E;
—punishment
of soldiers for cowardice, ib. 468 A. Cp. Warrior.
Solon, famous at Athens, 10. 599 E;
—quoted, 7. 536 D.
Son, the supposititious, parable of, 7. 537 E.
Song, parts of, 3. 398 D.
Sophists, the, their view of justice, 1. 338 foll.; verbal quibbles
of, ib. 340; the public the great Sophist, 6. 492; the Sophists compared
to feeders of a beast, ib. 493.
Sophocles, a remark of, quoted, 1. 329 B.
Sorrow, not to be indulged, 3. 387; 10. 603–606; has a relaxing effect
on the soul, 4. 430 A; 10. 606.
Soul, the, has ends and excellences, 1. 353 D; beauty in the soul, 3.
401; the fair soul in the fair body, ib. 402 D; sympathy of soul and
body, 5. 462 D, 464 B; conversion of the soul from darkness to light,
7. 518, 521, 525 [cp. Laws 12. 957 E]; requires the aid of calculation
and intelligence in order to interpret the intimations of
sense, ib. 523, 524; 10. 602; has more truth and essence than the
body, 9. 585 D;
—better and worse principles in the soul, 4. 431; the
soul divided into reason, spirit, appetite, ib. 435–442; 6. 504 A;
8. 550 A; 9. 571, 580 E, 581 [cp. Tim. 69 E–72, 89 E; Laws 9. 863];
faculties of the soul, 6. 511 E; 7. 533 E; oppositions in the soul,
10. 603 D [cp. Soph. 228 A; Laws 10. 896 D];
—the lame soul, 3. 401; 7.
535 [cp. Tim. 44; Soph. 228];
—the soul marred by meanness, 6. 495 E
[cp. Gorg. 524 E];
—immortality of the soul, 10. 608 foll., (cp. 6.
498 C);
—number of souls does not increase, 10. 611 A;
—the soul after
death, ib. 614 foll.;
—transmigration of souls, ib. 617
[cp. Phaedr. 249; Tim. 90 E foll.];
—the soul impure and disfigured
while in the body, ib. 611 [cp. Phaedo
81];
—compared to a many-headed monster, 9. 588; to the images of the
sea-god Glaucus, 10. 611;
—like the eye,
6. 508; 7. 518;
—harmony of the soul, produced by temperance, 4. 430,
442, 443 (cp. 9. 591 D, and Laws 2. 653 B);
—eye of the soul,
7. 518 D, 527 E, 533 D, 540 A;
—five forms of the state and soul,
4. 445; 5. 449; 9. 577.
Soul. [The psychology of the Republic,
while agreeing generally with that of the other Dialogues, is in some
respects a modification or developement of their conclusions.
—The
division of the soul into three elements, reason, spirit, appetite,
here first assumes a precise form, and henceforward has a permanent
place in the language of philosophy (cp. Introd. p. lxvii). On this
division the distinction between forms of government is based (see
s. v. Government). Virtue, again, is the harmony or accord of the
different elements, when the dictates of reason are enforced by
passion against the appetites, while vice is the anarchy or discord of
the soul when passion and appetite join in rebellion against reason
(cp. 4. 444; 10. 609 foll.; Soph. 228; Pol. 296 D; Laws 10. 906 C].
—Regarded
from the intellectual side the soul is analysed into four
faculties, reason, understanding, faith, knowledge of shadows. These
severally correspond to the four divisions of knowledge (6. 511 E),
two for intellect and two for opinion; and thus arises the Platonic
‘proportion,’—being : becoming :: intellect : opinion, and science
: belief :: understanding : knowledge of shadows. These divisions are
partly real, partly formed by a logical process, which, as in so many
distinctions of ancient philosophers, has outrun fact, and are further
illustrated and explained by the allegory of the cave in Book VII (see
Introduction, p. xciv).
—The pre-existence and the immortality of the
soul are assumed. The doctrine of ἀνάμνησις or ‘remembrance of a
previous birth’ is not so much dwelt upon as in the Meno, Phaedo,
or Phaedrus, neither is it made a proof of immortality (Meno 86;
Phaedo 73). It is apparently alluded to in the story of Er, where we
are told that ‘the pilgrims drank the waters of Unmindfulness; the
foolish took too deep a draught, but the wise were more moderate’ (10.
621 A). In the Xth Book Glaucon is supposed to receive with amazement
Socrates’ confident assertion of immortality, although a previous allusion
to another state of existence has passed unheeded (6.
498 D); and in earlier parts of the discussion (e.g. 2. 362; 3. 386),
the censure which is passed on the common representations of Hades
implies in itself some belief in a future life [cp. Introduction to
Phaedo, Vol. I]. The argument for the immortality of the soul is
not drawn out at great length or with the emphasis of the Phaedo. It
is chiefly of a verbal character:—All things which perish are
destroyed by some inherent evil; but the soul is not destroyed by
sin, which is the evil proper to her, and must therefore be immortal
(cp. Introd. p. clxvi).
—The condition of the soul after death is
represented by Plato in his favourite form of a
myth [cp. Meno 81; Phaedo 88; Gorg. 522]. The Pamphylian warrior Er,
who is supposed to have died in battle, revives when placed on the
funeral pyre and relates his experiences in the other world. He tells
how the just are rewarded and the wicked punished, and is privileged
to describe the spectacle which he had witnessed of the choice
of a new life by the pilgrim souls. The reward of release from bodily
existence is not held out to the philosopher (Phaedo 114 C), but his
wisdom, which has a deeper root than habit (10. 619), preserves him
from overhaste in his choice and ensures him a happy destiny.
—The
transmigration of souls is represented in the myth much as in the
Phaedrus and Timaeus. Plato in all likelihood derived the doctrine
from an Oriental source, but through Pythagorean channels. It probably
had a real hold on his mind, as it agreed, or could be made to
agree, with the conviction, which he elsewhere expresses, of the remedial
nature of punishment [cp. Protag. 323; Gorg. 523–525].
Sounds in music, 7. 531 A.
Sparta. See Lacedaemon.
Spectator, the, unconsciously influenced by what he sees and hears,
10. 605, 606 [cp. Laws 2. 656 A, 659 C];
—the philosopher the spectator
of all time and all existence, 6. 486 A [cp. Theaet. 173 E].
Spendthrifts, in Greek states, 8. 564.
Spercheius, the river-god, 3. 391 B.
Spirit, must be combined with gentleness in the guardians, 2. 375;
3. 410; 6. 503 [cp. Laws 5. 731 B]; characteristic of northern
nations, 4. 435 E; found in quite young children, ib. 441 A [cp. Laws;
12. 963]:
—the spirited (or passionate) element in the soul, ib. 440
foll.; 6. 504 A; 8. 550 A; 9. 572 A, 580 E; must be subject to the
rational part, 4. 441 E [cp. Tim. 30 C, 70, 89 D]; predominant in
the timocratic state and man, 8. 548, 550 B; characterised by ambition, 9. 581 B;
its pleasures, ib. 586 D; the favourite object of
the poet’s imitation, 10. 604, 605.
Stars, motion of the, 7. 529, 530; 10. 616 E.
State, relation of, to the individual,
2. 368; 4. 434, 441; 5. 462; 8. 544; 9. 577 B [cp. Laws 3. 689; 5. 739;
9. 875, 877 C; 11. 923]; origin of, 2. 369 foll. [cp. Laws
3. 678 foll.]; should be in unity,
4. 422; 5. 463 [cp. Laws 5. 739]; place of the virtues in, 4. 428
foll.; virtue of state and individual, ib. 441; 6. 498 E; family life
in, 5. 449 [cp. Laws 5. 740]:
—the luxurious state, 2. 372 D foll.:
—[the
best state]; classes must be kept distinct, ib. 374; 3. 379 E,
415 A; 4. 421, 433 A, 434, 441 E, 443;
5. 453 (cp. 8. 552 A, and Laws 8. 846 E); the rulers must be philosophers,
2. 376; 5. 473; 6. 484, 497 foll., 501, 503 B; 7. 520, 521,
525 B, 540; 8. 543 (cp. Rulers); the government must have the monopoly
of lying, 2. 382; 3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D [cp. Laws 2. 663 E]; the
poets to be banished, 3. 398 A; 8. 568 B; 10. 595 foll., 605 A, 607 A
[cp. Laws 7. 817]; the older must bear rule, the younger obey, 3. 412
[cp. Laws 3. 690 A; 4. 714 E]; women, children, and goods to be common,
ib. 416; 5. 450 E, 457 foll., 462, 464; 8. 543 A [cp. Laws 5.
739; 7. 807 B]; must be happy as a whole, 4. 420 D; 5. 466 A; 7. 519 E; will easily master other states in war, 4. 422; must be of
a size which is not inconsistent with unity, ib. 423 [cp. Laws 5. 737];
composed of three classes, traders, auxiliaries, counsellors, ib.
441 A; may be either a monarchy or an aristocracy, ib. 445 C (cp. 9.
576 D); will form one family, 5. 463 [cp. Pol. 259]; will be free from
quarrels and law-suits, 2. 378; 5. 464, 465;
—is it possible?
5. 471, 473; 6. 499; 7. 540 [cp. 7. 520 and Laws 4. 711 E; 5. 739];
framed after the heavenly pattern, 6. 500 E; 7. 540 A; 9. 592; how to
be commenced, 6. 501; 7. 540; manner of its decline, 8. 546 [cp. Crit.
120];
—the best state that in which the rulers least desire office, 7.
520, 521:
—the four imperfect forms of states, 4. 445 B; 8. 544 [cp.
Pol. 291 foll., 391 foll.]; succession of states, 8. 545 foll. (cp.
Government, forms of):
—existing states not one but many, 4. 423 A;
nearly all corrupt, 6. 496; 7. 519, 520; 9. 592.
State. [The polity of which Plato ‘sketches the outline’ in the Republic
may be analysed into two principal elements, I, an Hellenic
state of the older or Spartan type, with some traits borrowed from
Athens, II, an ideal city in which the citizens have all things in
common, and the government is carried on by a class of philosopher
rulers who are selected by merit. These two elements are not perfectly
combined; and, as Aristotle complains (Pol. ii. 5, § 18), very much
is left ill-defined and uncertain.
—I. Like Hellenic cities in general,
the number of the citizens is not to be great. The size of the state
is limited by the requirement that ‘it shall not be larger or smaller
than is consistent with unity.’ [The ‘convenient number’ 5040,
which is suggested in the Laws (v. 737), is regarded by Aristotle (Pol. ii. 6,
§ 6) as an ‘enormous multitude.’] Again, the individual is subordinate
to the state. When Adeimantus complains of the hard life which the
citizens will lead, ‘like mercenaries in a garrison’ (4. 419), he is
answered by Socrates that if the happiness of the whole is secured,
the happiness of the parts will inevitably follow. Once more, war is
supposed to be the normal condition of the state, and military service
is imposed upon all. The profession of arms is the only one in which
the citizen may properly engage. Trade is regarded as dishonourable:—‘those
who are good for nothing else sit in the Agora buying and
selling’ (2. 371 D); the warrior can spare no time for such an
employment (ib. 374 C). [In the Laws Plato’s ideas enlarge; he thinks
that peace is to be preferred to war (1. 628); and he speculates on
the possibility of redeeming trade from reproach by compelling some of
the best citizens to open a shop or keep a tavern (11. 918).]—In
these respects, as well as in the introduction of common meals,
Plato was probably influenced by the traditional ideal of Sparta [cp.
Introd. p. clxx]. The Athenian element appears in the intellectual
training of the citizens, and generally in the atmosphere of grace and
refinement which they are to breathe (see s. v. Art). The restless
energy of the Athenian
character is perhaps reflected in the discipline imposed upon the
ruling class (7. 540), who when they have reached fifty are dispensed
from continuous public service, but must then devote themselves
to abstract study, and also be willing to take their turn
when necessary at the helm of state [cp. Laws 7. 807; Thucyd. i. 70;
ii. 40].
—II. The most peculiar features of Plato’s state are (1) the
community of property, (2) the position of women, (3) the government
of philosophers. (1) The first (see s. v.), though suggested in some
measure by the example of Sparta or Crete [cp. Arist. Pol. ii. 5, § 6],
is not known to have been actually practised anywhere in Hellas,
unless possibly among such a body as the Pythagorean brotherhood.
(2) Nothing in all the Republic was probably stranger to his
contemporaries than the place which Plato assigns to women in the
state. The community of wives and children, though carefully guarded
by him from the charge of licentiousness (5. 458 E), would appear
worse in Athenian eyes than the traditional ‘licence’ of the
Spartan women [Arist. Pol. ii. 9, § 5), which, so far as it really
existed, no doubt arose out of an excessive regard to physical
considerations in marriage. Again, the equal share in education, in
war, and in administration which the women are supposed to enjoy in
Plato’s state, was, if not so revolting, quite as contrary to common
Hellenic sentiment [cp. Thucyd. ii. 45]. The Spartan women exercised a
great influence on public affairs, but this was mainly indirect [cp.
Laws 7. 806; Arist. Pol. ii. 9, § 8]; they did not hold office or learn
the use of arms. At Athens, as is well known, the women, of the upper
classes at least, lived in an almost Oriental seclusion, and were
wholly absorbed in household duties (Laws 7. 805 E). (3) Finally,
the government of philosophers had no analogy in the Hellenic
world of Plato’s time. He may have taken the suggestion from the
stories of the Pythagorean rule in Magna Graecia. But it is also possible that these
accounts of the brotherhood of Pythagoras, some of which have
reached us on very doubtful authority, may be themselves to a
considerable extent coloured and distorted by features adapted from
the Republic. Whether this is the case or not, we can hardly doubt
that Plato was chiefly indebted to his own imagination for his kingdom
of philosophers, or that it remained to himself an ideal, rather than
a state which would ever ‘play her part in actual life’ (Tim. 19,
20). It is at least significant that he never finished the Critias,
as though he were unable to embody, even in a mythical form, the ‘city
of which the pattern is laid up in heaven.’]
Statesmen in their own imagination, 4. 426.
Statues, polished for a decision, 2. 361 D; painted, 4. 420 D.
Steadiness of character, apt to be accompanied by stupidity, 6. 503
[cp. Theaet. 144 B].
Stesichorus, says that Helen was never at Troy, 9. 586 C.
Stories, improper, not to be told to children, 2. 377; 3. 391. Cp.
Children, Education.
Strength, rule of, 1. 338.
Style of poetry, 3. 392;
—styles, various, ib. 397.
Styx, 3. 387 B.
Suits, will be unknown in the best state, 5. 464 E.
Sumptuary laws, 4. 423, 425.
Sun, the, compared with the idea of good, 6. 508; not sight, but the
author of sight, ib. 509;
—‘the sun of Heracleitus,’ ib. 498 A.
Supposititious son, parable of the, 7. 538.
Sympathy, of soul and body, 5. 462 D, 464 B; aroused by poetry, 10. 605 B.
Syracusan dinners, 3. 404 D.
Tactics, use of arithmetic in, 7. 522 E, 525 B.
Tartarus ( = hell), 10. 616 A.
Taste, good, importance of, 3. 401, 402.
Taxes, heavy, imposed by the tyrant, 8. 567 A, 568 E.
Teiresias, alone has understanding among the dead, 3. 386 E.
Telamon, 10. 620 B.
Temperance (σωφροσύνη), in the
state, 3. 389; 4. 430 foll. [cp. Laws
3. 696]; temperance and love, 3. 403 A; fostered in the soul by the
simple kind of music, ib. 404 E, 410 A; a harmony of the soul,
4. 430, 441 E, 442 D, 443 (cp. 9. 591 D, and Laws 2. 653 B); one of
the philosopher’s virtues, 6. 485 E, 490 E, 491 B, 494 B [cp. Phaedo
68].
Temple-robbing, 9. 574 D, 575 B.
Territory, devastation of Hellenic, not to be allowed, 5. 470;
—unlimited,
not required by the good state, 4. 423 [cp. Laws 5. 737].
Thales, inventions of, 10. 600 A.
Thamyras, soul of, chooses the life of a nightingale, 10. 620 A.
Theages, the bridle of, 6. 496 B.
Themis, did not instigate the strife with the gods, 2. 379 E.
Themistocles, answer of, to the Seriphian, 1. 330 A.
Theology of Plato, 2. 379 foll. Cp. God.
Thersites, puts on the form of a monkey, 10. 620 C.
Theseus, the tale of, and Peirithous not permitted, 3. 391 C.
Thetis, not to be slandered, 2. 381 D; her accusation of Apollo, ib. 383 A.
Thirst, 4. 437 E, 439; an inanition (κένωσις) of the body, 9. 585 A.
Thracians, procession of, in honour of Bendis, 1. 327 A; characterised
by spirit or passion, 4. 435 E.
Thrasymachus, the Chalcedonian, a person in the dialogue, 1. 328 B;
described, ib. 336 B; will be paid, ib. 337 D; defines justice, ib.
338 C foll.; his rudeness, ib. 343 A; his views of government, ibid.
(cp. 9. 590 D); his encomium on injustice, 1. 343 A; his manner of
speech, ib. 345 B; his paradox about justice and injustice, ib. 348 B
foll.; he blushes, ib. 350 D; is pacified, and retires from the
argument, ib. 354 (cp. 6. 498 C); would have Socrates discuss the
subject of women and children, 5. 450.
Timocracy, 8. 545 foll.; origin of, ib. 547:
—the timocratical man,
described, 8. 549; his origin, ibid.
Tinker, the prosperous, 6. 495, 496.
Tops, 4. 436.
Torch race, an equestrian, 1. 328 A.
Touch, 7. 523 E.
Traders, necessary in the state, 2. 371.
Traditions of ancient times, their truth not certainly known to us,
2. 382 C (cp. 3. 414 C, and Tim. 40 D; Crit. 107; Pol. 271 A; Laws 4.
713 E; 6. 782 D).
Tragedy and comedy in the state, 3. 394 [cp. Laws 7. 817].
Tragic poets, the, eulogizers of tyranny, 8. 568 A; imitators, 10. 597, 598.
Training, dangers of, 3. 404 A; severity of, 6. 504 A (cp. 7. 535 B).
Transfer of children from one class to another, 3. 415; 4. 423 D.
Transmigration of souls, 10. 617. See Soul.
Trochaic rhythms, 3. 400 B.
Troy, 3. 393 E; Helen never at, 9. 586 C:
—Trojan War, 2. 380 A:
treatment of the wounded in, 3. 405 E, 408 A; the army numbered by
Palamedes, 7. 522 D.
Truth, is not lost by men of their own will, 3. 413 A; the aim of the
philosopher, 6. 484, 485, 486 E, 490, 500 C, 501 D; 7. 521, 537 D; 9.
581, 582 C (cp. supra 5. 475 E; 7. 520, 525; and Phaedo 82; Phaedr. 249;
Theaet. 173 E; Soph. 249 D, 254 A); akin to wisdom, 6. 485 D; to
proportion, ib. 486 E; no partial measure of, sufficient, ib. 504;
love of, essential in this world and the next, 10. 618;
—truth and
essence, 9. 585 D.
Tyranny, 1. 338 D; = injustice on the grand scale, ib. 344 [cp. Gorg.
469]; the wretchedest form of government, 8. 544 C; 9. 576 [cp. Pol.
302 E]; origin of, 8. 562, 564:
—the tyrannical man, 9. 571 foll.;
life of, ib. 573; his treatment of his parents, ib. 574; most
miserable, ib. 576, 578; has the soul of a slave, ib. 577.
Tyrant, the, origin of, 8. 565; happiness of, ib. 566 foll.; 9. 576
foll. [cp. Laws 2. 661 B]; his rise to power, 8. 566; his taxes, ib.
567 A, 568 E; his army, ib. 567 A, 569; his purgation of the city, ib.
567 B; misery of, 9. 579; has no real pleasure, ib. 587; how far distant
from pleasure, ibid.:
—Tyrants and poets, 8. 568; have no
friends, ibid.; 9. 576 [cp. Gorg. 510 C]; punishment of, in the world
below, 10. 615 [cp. Gorg. 525].
Understanding, a faculty of the soul, 6. 511 D; = science, 7. 533 E.
Union impossible among the bad, 1. 352 A [cp. Lysis 214].
Unity of the state, 4. 422, 423; 5. 462, 463 [cp. Laws 5. 739];
—absolute
unity, 7. 524 E, 525 E; unity and plurality, ibid.
Unjust man, the, happy (Thrasymachus), 1. 343, 344 [cp. Gorg. 470
foll.]; his unhappiness finally proved, 9. 580; 10. 613:
—injustice
= private profit, 1. 344 (see Injustice).
Uranus, immoral stories about, 2. 377 E.
User, the, a better judge than the maker, 10. 601 C [cp. Crat. 390].
Usury, sometimes not protected by law, 8. 556 A [cp. Laws 5. 742 C].
Valetudinarianism, 3. 406; 4. 426 A.
Valour, prizes of, 5. 468.
Vice, the disease of the soul, 4. 444; 10. 609 foll. [cp. Soph. 228;
Pol. 296 D; Laws 10. 906 C]; is many, 4. 445; the proper object of
ridicule, 5. 452 E;
—fine names for the vices, 8. 560 E. Cp. Injustice.
Virtue and justice, 1. 350 [cp. Meno 73 E, 79]; thought by mankind to
be toilsome, 2. 364 A [cp. Laws 807 D]; virtue and harmony, 3. 401 A
(cp. 7. 522 A); virtue and pleasure, 3. 402 E (cp. Pleasure); not
promoted by excessive care of the body, ib. 407 (cp. 9. 591 D); makes
men wise, 3. 409 E; divided into parts, 4. 428 foll., 433; in the
individual and the state, ib. 435 foll., 441 (cp. Justice); the health
of the soul, ib. 444 (cp. 10. 609 foll., and Soph. 228; Pol. 296 D);
is one, ib. 445; may be a matter of habit, 7. 518 E; 10. 619 D;
impeded by wealth, 8. 550 E [cp. Laws 5. 728 A, 742; 8. 831, 836 A];
—virtues
of the philosopher, 6. 485 foll., 490 D, 491 B, 494 B (cp.
Philosopher); place of the several virtues in the
state, 4. 427 foll.
Visible world, divisions of, 6. 510 foll.; 7. 517; compared to the
intellectual, 6. 508, 509; 7. 532 A.
Vision, 5. 477; 6. 508; 7. 517. See Sight.
War, causes of, 2. 373; 4. 422 foll.; 8. 547 A; an art, 2. 374 A (cp.
4. 422, and Laws 11. 921 E); men, women, and children to go to, 5. 452
foll., 467, 471 E; 7. 537 A; regulations concerning, 5. 467–471; a
matter of chance, ib. 467 E [cp. Laws 1. 638 A]; distinction between
internal and external, ib. 470 A [cp. Laws 1. 628, 629]; the guilt of,
always confined to a few persons, ib. 471 B; love of, especially
characteristic of timocracy, 8. 547 E; cannot be easily waged by an
oligarchy, ib. 551 E; the rich and the poor in war, ib. 556 C; a
favourite resource of the tyrant, ib. 567 A.
Warrior, the brave, rewards of, 5. 468; his burial, ib. E; the warrior
must know how to count, 7. 522 E, 525; must be a geometrician, ib.
526.
Waves, the three, 5. 457 C, 472 A, 473 C.
Weak, the, by nature subject to the strong, 1. 338 [cp. Gorg. 489;
Laws 3. 690 B]; not capable of much, either for good or evil, 6. 491 E, 495 B.
Wealth, the advantage of, in old age, 1. 329, 330; the greatest
blessing of, ib. 330, 331; the destruction of the arts, 4. 421;
influence of, on the state, ib. 422 A [cp. Laws 4. 705; 5. 729 A];
the ‘sinews of war,’ ibid.; all-powerful in oligarchies and
timocracies, 8. 548 A, 551 B, 553, 562 A; an impediment to virtue,
ib. 550 E [cp. Laws 5. 728 A; 742 E; 8. 831, 836 A]; should only be
acquired to a moderate amount, 9. 591 E [cp. Laws 7. 801 B]:
—the
blind god of wealth (Pluto), 8. 554 B:
—Wealthy, the, everywhere
hostile to the poor, 4. 423 A; 8. 551 E [cp. Laws 5. 736 A]; flattered
by them, 5. 465 C; the wealthy and the wise, 6. 489 B; plundered by the multitude
in democracies, 8. 564, 565.
Weaving, the art of, 3. 401 A; 5. 455 D.
Weep, the guardians not to, 3. 387 C (cp. 10. 603 E).
Weighing, art of, corrects the illusions of sight, 10. 602 D.
Whole, the, in regard to the happiness of the state, 4. 420 D; 5.
466 A; 7. 519 E; in love, 5. 474 C, 475 B; 6. 485 B.
Whorl, the great, 10. 616.
Wicked, the, punishment of, in the world below, 2. 363; 10. 614;
thought by men to be happy, 1. 354; 2. 364 A; 3. 392 B (cp. 8. 545 A,
and Gorg. 470 foll.; Laws 2. 66 1; 10. 899 E, 905 A).
Wine, lovers of, 5. 475 A.
Wisdom (σοφία, φρόνησις) and injustice, 1. 349, 350; in the
state, 4. 428; akin to truth, 6. 485 D; the power of, 7. 518, 519; the only
virtue which is innate in us, ib. 518 E.
Wise man, the, = the good, 1. 350 [cp. 1 Alcib. 124, 125]; definition
of, 4. 442 C; alone has true pleasure, 9. 583 B; life of, ib. 591;
—‘the
wise to go to the doors of the rich,’ 6. 489 B;
—wise men said to
be the friends of the tyrant, 8. 568.
Wives to be common in the state, 5. 457 foll.; 8. 543.
Wolves, men changed into, 8. 565 D; ‘wolf and flock’ (proverb), 3. 415 D.
Women, employments of, 5. 455; differences of taste in, ib. 456; fond
of complaining, 8. 549 D; supposed to differ in nature from men, 5.
453; inferior to men, ib. 455 [cp. Tim. 42; Laws 6. 781]; ought to be
trained like men, ib. 451, 466 [cp. Laws 7. 805; 8. 829 E]; in the
gymnasia, ib. 452, 457 [cp. Laws 7. 813, 814; 8. 833]; in war, ib. 453
foll., 466 E, 471 E [cp. Laws 6. 785; 7. 806, 814 A]; to be guardians,
ib. 456, 458, 468; 7. 540 C; (and children) to be common, 5. 450 E,
457 foll., 462, 464; 8. 543 [cp. Laws 5. 739]. See supra s. v. State,
p. 374.
World, the, cannot be a philosopher, 6. 494 A.
World below, the, seems very near to the aged, 1. 330 E; not to be
reviled, 3. 386 foll. [cp. Crat. 403; Laws 5. 727 E; 8. 828 D];
pleasure of discourse in, 6. 498 D [cp. Apol. 41]; punishment of the
wicked in, 2. 363; 10. 614 foll.; sex in, 10. 618 B;
—[heroes] who have
ascended from the world below to the gods, 7. 521 C.
Xerxes, perhaps author of the maxim that justice = paying one’s debts,
1. 336 A.
Young, the, how affected by the common praises of injustice, 2. 365;
cannot understand allegory, ib. 378 E; must be subject in the state,
3. 412 B [cp. Laws 3. 690 A; 4. 714 E]; must submit to their elders, 5.
465 A [cp. Laws 4. 721 D; 9. 879 C; 11. 917 A]. Cp. Children,
Education.
Youth, the corruption of, not to be attributed to the Sophists, but to public
opinion, 6. 492 A;
—youthful enthusiasm for metaphysics, 7.
539 B [cp. Phil. 15 E];
—youthful scepticism, not of long continuance,
ib. D [cp. Soph. 234 E; Laws 10. 888 B].
Zeus, his treatment of his father, 2. 377 E; throws Hephaestus from
heaven, ib. 378 D;
—Achilles descended from, 3. 391 C;
—did not cause
the violation of the treaty in the Trojan War, or the strife of the
gods, 2. 379 E; or send the lying dream to Agamemnon, ib. 383 A; or
lust for Herè, 3. 390 B; ought not to have been described by Homer
as lamenting for Achilles and Sarpedon, ib. 388 C;
—Lycaean Zeus, 8.
565 D;
—Olympian Zeus, 9. 583 B.
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