SESSION OF OCTOBER 13, 1884.
The Conference met pursuant to adjournment in the Diplomatic Hall, in
the State Department, at one o'clock P. M.
Present:
Austria-Hungary: Baron I. von Schæffer.
Brazil: Dr. Luiz Cruls.
Chili: Mr. F. V. Gormas and Mr. A. B. Tupper.
Colombia: Commodore Franklin.
Costa Rica: Mr. J. F. Echeverria.
France: Mr. A. Lefaivre and Mr. Janssen.
Germany: Baron H. von Alvensleben and Mr. Hinckeldeyn.
Great Britain: Sir F. J. O. Evans, Prof. J. C. Adams, Lieut.
General Strachey, and Mr. Sandford Fleming.
Guatemala: Mr. Miles Rock.
Hawaii: Hon. W. D. Alexander and Hon. Luther Aholo.
Italy: Count Albert de Foresta.
Japan: Professor Kikuchi.
Liberia: Mr. William Coppinger.
Mexico: Mr. Leandro Fernandez and Mr. Angel Anguiano.
Netherlands: Mr. G. de Weckherlin.
Paraguay: Capt. John Stewart.
Russia: Mr. C. de Struve, Major-General Stebnitzki, and
Mr. J. de Kologrivoff.
San Domingo: Mr. M. de J. Galvan.
Spain: Mr. Juan Valera, Mr. Emilio Ruiz del Arbol, and
Mr. Juan Pastorin.
Sweden: Count Carl Lewenhaupt.
Switzerland: Col. Emile Frey.
Turkey: Mr. Rustem Effendi.
Venezuela: Dr. A. M. Soteldo.
United States: Rear-Admiral C. R. P. Rodgers, Mr. Lewis M.
Rutherfurd, Mr. W. F. Allen, Commander W. T. Sampson,
and Prof. Cleveland Abbe.
Absent:
Denmark: Mr. C. S. A. de Bille.
Salvador: Mr. A. Batres.
The President. In view of the many communications addressed
to the President of this Conference, having reference to the business
before it, presenting statements and arguments in relation thereto,
the Chair asks that a committee be appointed, to which shall be
referred all such communications, and that the committee be instructed
to make such report upon them as it may deem advisable.
Count Lewenhaupt, Delegate of Sweden. I beg leave to propose
to the Conference that the appointment of this committee be left to
the President.
Mr. Soteldo, Delegate of Venezuela. I second the motion of
the Delegate of Sweden.
Mr. de Struve, Delegate of Russia. I entertain the same
opinion, and I support the motion.
The motion was then unanimously adopted.
The President. I will name as the members of the Committee
the Delegate of Great Britain, Professor Adams; the Delegate
of Germany, Mr. Hinckeldeyn; the Delegate of the United
States, Professor Abbe; the Delegate of Japan, Mr.
Kikuchi; and the Delegate of Costa Rica, Mr.
Echeverria.
President. Alter a discussion of only three hours this
Conference adjourned a week ago to-day, subject to the call of its
President. Owing to the want of a French stenographer to report the
words that were spoken in French, there has been much delay in
preparing the protocol, which has not yet been completed.
Fortunately, an experienced French stenographer has been procured
through the kind intervention of Mr. Sandford Fleming, of the
delegation from Great Britain, and Mr. William Smith, Deputy
Minister of Marine for the Dominion of Canada. We may now hope to have
a fairly accurate report of what is said, both in French and English,
needing only slight verbal corrections, and the Chair trusts that
delegates may find it convenient to make the corrections very
promptly, so that the protocols may be printed and verified as
speedily as possible.
Should any delegate, who has not yet spoken, desire to address the
Conference upon the resolution of the Delegate from France, his
remarks will now be received, and when the mover of the resolution
shall close the debate, the vote will be taken, if such be the
pleasure of the Conference.
Mr. Sandford Fleming, Delegate of Great Britain. I have
listened with great attention and deep interest to the remarks which
have fallen from the several gentlemen who have spoken, and I desire
your kind indulgence for a few moments while I explain the views I
have formed on the motion of the distinguished Delegates from France.
I feel that the important question which this Conference has to
consider must be approached in no narrow spirit. It is one which
affects every nationality, and we should endeavor, in the common
interest, to set aside any national or individual prejudices we
possess, and view the subject as members of one community—in fact, as
citizens of the world. Acting in this broad spirit, we cannot fail to
arrive at conclusions which will promote the common good of mankind.
In deliberating on the important subject before us, it seems to me
there are two essential points which we should constantly bear in
mind.
1. We should consider what will best promote the general advantage,
not now only, but for all future years, while causing at the present
time as little individual and national inconvenience as possible.
2. We should, in coming to a determination on the main question for
which this Conference is called, leave nothing undone to avoid
offence, now or hereafter, to the sensitiveness of individual nations.
The motion is, that the initial meridian to be chosen should be
selected on account of its neutrality. This undoubtedly involves the
selection of an entirely new meridian, one which has never previously
been used by any nation, as all initial meridians in use are more or
less national, and, as such, would not be considered neutral in the
sense intended by the honorable Delegates from France.
Let us suppose that this Conference adopted the motion. Let us
suppose, further, that we found a meridian quite independent of and
unrelated to any existing initial meridian. Would we then have
accomplished the task for which we are met? I ask, would the
twenty-six nations here represented accept our recommendation to adopt
the neutral meridian? I greatly fear that the passing of the
resolution would not in the least promote the settlement of the
important question before the Conference. The world has already at
least eleven different first meridians. The adoption of the new
meridian contemplated by the Delegates from France would, I apprehend,
simply increase the number and proportionately increase the difficulty
which so many delegates from all parts of the earth are assembled here
to remove.
This would be the practical effect of the passing of the resolution.
If it had any effect, it would increase the difficulty, and I need not
say that is not the object which the different Governments had in view
when they sent delegates to this Conference. The President has well
pointed out in his opening address the advantages which would be
gained, and the great dangers which, at times, would be avoided by
seafaring vessels having one common zero of longitude. Besides the
benefits which would accrue to navigation, there are advantages of
equal importance in connection with the regulation of time, to spring,
I trust, from our conclusions.
It does not appear to me that the adoption of the motion would in any
way advance these objects. I do not say that the principle of a
neutral meridian is wrong, but to attempt to establish one would, I
feel satisfied, be productive of no good result. A neutral meridian is
excellent in theory, but I fear it is entirely beyond the domain of
practicability. If such be the case, it becomes necessary to consider
how far it would be practicable to secure the desired advantages by
adopting as a zero some other meridian which, while related to some
existing first meridian, would not be national in fact, and would have
the same effect as a perfectly neutral meridian in allaying national
susceptibilities.
The selection of an initial meridian related to meridians now in use
gives us a sufficiently wide choice. Allow me to read the following
list, showing the number and the total tonnage of vessels using the
several meridians named, in ascertaining their longitude.
| INITIAL MERIDIANS. | SHIPS OF ALL KINDS. | PER CENT. |
| Number. | Tonnage. | Ships. | Tonnage. |
| Greenwich | 37,663 | 14,600,972 | 65 | 72 |
| Paris | 5,914 | 1,735,083 | 10 | 8 |
| Cadiz | 2,468 | 666,602 | 5 | 3 |
| Naples | 2,263 | 715,448 | 4 | 4 |
| Christiana | 2,128 | 695,988 | 4 | 3 |
| Ferro | 1,497 | 567,682 | 2 | 3 |
| Pulkova | 987 | 298,641 | 1½ | 1½ |
| Stockholm | 717 | 154,180 | 1½ | 1 |
| Lisbon | 491 | 164,000 | 1 | 1 |
| Copenhagen | 435 | 81,888 | 1 | ½ |
| Rio de Janeiro | 253 | 97,040 | ½ | ½ |
| Miscellaneous | 2,881 | 534,569 | 4½ | 2½ |
| Total | 57,697 | 20,312,093 | 100 | 100 |
|
It thus appears that one of these meridians, that of Greenwich, is
used by 72 per cent. of the whole floating commerce of the world,
while the remaining 28 per cent. is divided among ten different
initial meridians. If, then, the convenience of the greatest number
alone should predominate, there can be no difficulty in a choice; but
Greenwich is a national meridian, and its use as an international zero
awakens national susceptibilities. It is possible, however, to a great
extent, to remove this objection by taking, for a zero of longitude
and time, the meridian farthest distant from Greenwich. This being on
the same great circle as Greenwich, it would not require the
establishment of a new observatory; its adoption would produce no
change in charts or nautical tables, beyond the notation of longitude.
It would possess all the advantage claimed for the Greenwich meridian
in connection with navigation, and as a zero for regulating time it
would be greatly to be preferred to the Greenwich meridian. This
Pacific meridian being accepted as the common zero, and longitude
being reckoned continuously in one direction, there would be an end to
the necessity of any nation engraving on its charts the words
"longitude east or west of Greenwich." The one word "longitude" would
suffice. The zero meridian would be international and in no respect
national. Even on British charts all reference to Greenwich would
disappear.
This view of the question is sustained by many distinguished men. I
shall only ask permission to read the opinion of Mr. Otto Struvé,
Director of the Imperial Observatory at Pulkova, than whom there is no
higher authority.
"The preference given to the Greenwich meridian was based, on one
side, on the historical right of the Royal Observatory of England,
acquired by eminent services rendered by this establishment during the
course of two centuries, to mathematical geography and navigation; on
the other side, considering that the great majority of charts now in
use upon all the seas are made according to this meridian, and about
90 per cent. of the navigators of long standing are accustomed to take
their longitude from this meridian. However, an objection against this
proposition is, that the meridian of Greenwich passes through two
countries of Europe, and thus the longitude would be reckoned by
different signs in different portions of our own continent and also of
Africa.
"Moreover, the close proximity of the meridian of Paris, to which,
perhaps, some French geographers and navigators of other nations would
still hold to, from custom, from a spirit of contradiction or from
national rivalry, might easily cause sad disaster. To obviate these
inconveniences, I have proposed to choose as prime meridian another
meridian, situated at an integral number of hours east or west of
Greenwich, and among the meridians meeting this condition, I have
indicated, in the first place, the meridian proposed to-day by
scientific Americans, as that which would combine the most favorable
conditions for its adoption. Thus the meridian situated 180° from
Greenwich presents the following advantages:—
"1. It does not cross any continent but the eastern extremity of the
North of Asia, inhabited by people very few in number and little
civilized, called Tschouktschis.
"2. It coincides exactly with that line where, after the custom
introduced by a historical succession of maritime discoveries, the
navigator makes a change of one unit in the date, a difference which
is made near a number of small islands in the Pacific Ocean,
discovered during the voyages made to the east and west. Thus the
commencement of a new date would be identical with that of the hours
of cosmopolitan time.
"3. It makes no change to the great majority of navigators and
hydrographers, except the very simple addition of twelve hours, or of
180° to all longitudes.
"4. It does not involve any change in the calculations of the
Ephemerides most in use amongst navigators, viz., the English Nautical
Almanac, except turning mid-day into midnight, and vice versa. In
the American Nautical Almanac there would be no other change to
introduce. With a cosmopolitan spirit, and in the just appreciation of
a general want, the excellent Ephemerides published at Washington,
record all data useful to navigators calculated from the meridian of
Greenwich.
"For universal adoption, as proposed by the Canadian Institute, it
recommends itself to the inhabitants of all civilized countries, by
reason of the great difference in longitude, thus removing all the
misunderstandings and uncertainties concerning the question, as to
whether, in any case, cosmopolitan or local time was used.
"In answer to the first question offered by the Institute at Toronto,
I would, therefore, recommend the Academy to pronounce without
hestation in favor of the universal adoption of the meridian situated
180° from Greenwich, as Prime Meridian of the globe."
I quote from the report of M. Otto Struvé to the Imperial Academy of
Sciences of St. Petersburg, 30th Sept., 1880.
I respectfully submit, we have thus the means of solving the problem
presented to us, without attempting to find such a meridian as that
contemplated in the motion of the honorable delegates. Whatever its
origin, the Pacific meridian referred to would soon be recognized as
being as much neutral as any meridian could possibly be. If, on the
other hand, we adopt the motion, I very greatly fear that the great
object of this Conference will be defeated, and the settlement of a
question so pregnant with advantages to the world will be indefinitely
postponed.
Dr. Cruls, Delegate of Brazil. Gentlemen. Since the opening
of this discussion more authoritative voices than mine—among others
that of the Honorable Mr. Sandford Fleming, Delegate of Great
Britain, who has just expressed his opinion upon the question—have
been heard upon the important subject which we are now called upon to
discuss, and of which we should endeavor to find a full and final
solution. The various aspects of the projected reform—viz., the
unification of longitude, which numerous international interests
recommend to our care—appear to me to have been examined, and that
relieves me of the task of taking up again the question in its
details, and permits me to abridge very much the considerations which
I think it is my duty to present in order to explain my vote. Upon to
the present moment we have settled one point, gentlemen, and it is one
of great importance; that is, the necessity of adopting a common prime
meridian. This point has obtained the support of all the Delegates
present at the Conference. This necessity being recognized, it is
proper to take another step towards the solution of the problem
presented to us, and to decide what that meridian shall be. It is this
choice, gentlemen, which at this moment forms the subject of our
discussion, and upon which we have to decide.
My honorable colleague, Mr. Rutherfurd, the Delegate of the
United States, has presented a motion proposing the adoption of the
meridian of Greenwich, a motion which is again made, having been
withdrawn temporarily from our discussion with the consent of its
proposer. The motion which was presented at the last session, and
which has formed the subject of numerous interesting discussions is
that made by my honorable colleague, Mr. Janssen, Delegate of
France, who proposes that the meridian adopted should have a neutral
character, and should not cross either of the great continents of
Europe or America. This proposition, gentlemen, has been strongly
resisted by the Delegates of Great Britain and the United States, and
firmly maintained by the Delegates of France, and the debates which
followed gave us an opportunity of being present at a scientific
tournament of the highest interest. The speakers whom we have had the
honor of hearing seem to me to have exhausted all the arguments for
and against, and at the present stage of the discussion I presume that
these debates have permitted each one of us to form, with a full
knowledge of the case, an opinion upon the question on which we are
called to vote.
For my part, gentlemen, I desire to state clearly the attitude that
Brazil, in my opinion, must take in this Conference. That attitude is
one of absolute neutrality, inasmuch as the question is whether or not
to choose a national meridian which may provoke among certain nations
very legitimate rivalries. From the point of view only of the
interests of Brazil, the choice of one meridian rather than any other
is recommended to me by no consideration. Our local charts are
referred to the nearest meridian, that of the observatory of Rio
Janeiro, which is the point of departure in the geodetic or
hydrographic operations in course of execution in Brazil, and which
all are connected with that same meridian. The marine charts of the
coast most in use are the result of the hydrographic works executed by
the Commandant Mouchez, now admiral and director of the
observatory of Paris. As to the telegraphic determination of the
longitude of the observatory of Rio, we owe it to the American
Commission, directed by Commandant Green, of the United States Navy.
Now, gentlemen, up to the day on which the Conference met for the
first time, I had hoped that these discussions entered upon under the
influence of a generous rivalry, and having for their only purpose the
establishment of a measure, the necessity of which is strongly sought
by many interests of a diverse nature, would lead to a complete and
final solution of the problem. Unfortunately, and I regret to be
obliged to add it, the differences of opinion which have manifested
themselves in this Congress permit scarcely a hope of this result. For
my part, gentlemen, I cannot lose sight of the fact that it is
indispensable that the question for which this Congress is assembled
should receive a complete settlement; if not, the purpose of the
Congress will not be attained. Since the Delegates of France have
manifested from the begining of our discussions their opposition to
the adoption of any meridian which had a national character, which has
given rise to the motion presented by Mr. Janssen, it follows
that every measure voted by the Congress tending to the adoption of a
national meridian, will be, by the very fact of the abstention of
France, an incomplete measure, and which will not answer the purpose
sought by the Conference. I hasten to add, in order to avoid all
erroneous interpretations which could be given to my words, that it
would be the same, if, for instance, the meridian of Paris was
proposed, and any great maritime nation, such as England, the United
States, or any other, should abstain from voting for its adoption. In
that case, also, the measure adopted would not be complete, and in
that case, also, my line of conduct would be the same.
To resume, I would say that the great benefits that the whole world
will receive from the adoption of a common prime meridian will not be
fully produced unless the measure is unanimously accepted by all the
most important maritime nations. In any other event, I am, for my
part, absolutely convinced that the measure adopted will be partly
inefficacious, its adoption not being general, and everything will
have to be done over again in the not distant future. The discussions
at which we have been present abundantly prove to me that it will
always be so, as long as the meridian of some great nation is
proposed. In the face of this difficulty, which appears to me
insurmountable, the only solution which, by its very nature, will not
raise exciting questions of national pride is that of a meridian
having a character of absolute neutrality. If the adoption of such a
meridian was admitted in principle, I am certain that a discussion
based upon pure science, and following the best conditions which it
should realize, would conduct us rapidly to a practical settlement of
the question.
In such a discussion the arguments which ought to prevail should be,
before everything, drawn from science, the only source of truth which
alone can enlighten us, so as to permit us to form a sound judgment,
and to decide solely upon considerations of a purely scientific
nature.
In addition to these considerations, I am not ignorant that there are
others. I refer to questions of economy of which it is necessary to
take count. As to political interests, if there are any, our eminent
colleagues who represent so worthily the diplomatic element in this
assembly would see that they had due weight, and, thanks to this
assembly of men distinguished, some in science and others in
diplomacy, there was every reason to hope that the final practical
solution of the question which we are seeking would not be long in
being made clear to us all by the discussions.
Moreover, this practical solution appears to me already to follow from
what our honorable colleague, M. Janssen, has told us on that
subject. The principle of the neutral meridian once adopted, there
would still to be discussed the conditions which it should fulfil and
the determination of its position. Two things must be considered,
either the meridian will be exclusively over the ocean, and then, by
its very nature, it will be neutral, or it will cut some island, and
in that case nothing would prevent an international diplomatic
convention making neutral the plot of land on which it was desirable
to establish an observatory, which would in reality be a very small
matter. Of these two solutions, both of which satisfy the conditions
which the meridian ought to fulfil in its character of neutrality and
by the requirements of science, I prefer the second. I wish merely to
suggest by what I have said how it would be possible to arrive at a
practical solution of the question, since now I am only speaking of
the adoption of the principle of the neutral meridian.
I conclude, gentlemen, by declaring that I shall vote in favor of the
adoption of a meridian with a character of absolute neutrality, and in
doing so I hope to contribute my share to giving our resolutions such
a character of independence as is necessary to make them generally
acceptable in the future, and to unite in their support, at present,
scientific men without distinction of nationality who are now awaiting
our decision.
Professor Janssen, Delegate of France. Gentlemen, I have
listened with a great deal of attention to the discourse of the
Delegate of England, Mr. Fleming, and if we had not had such
an exhaustive discussion last session, at which, I believe, all the
reasons for and against were given, I would certainly have asked
permission to answer it. But I believe that on all sides we are
sufficiently enlightened on the question, and I desire above all to
declare that it is not our intention of making this debate eternal. It
is now for you, gentlemen, to decide. I am the more inclined to act
thus, as my honorable colleague, the Delegate of Brazil, Dr. L.
Cruls, who is an astronomer like myself, appears to me to have
recapitulated the question with a loftiness of views, and in such
happy language, that, in truth, we may take his arguments as our own.
Before concluding, I wish to thank my colleagues for the kind
attention that they have been good enough to accord me.
The President. The question recurs upon the resolution
offered by the Delegates of France. The resolution is as follows:
"Resolved, That the initial meridian should have a
character of absolute neutrality. It should be chosen
exclusively so as to secure to science and to international
commerce all possible advantages, and especially should cut
no great continent—neither Europe nor America."
The President. Is the Conference ready for the question? No
objection being made, the roll was called, with the following result:
Ayes.
| Brazil, | San Domingo. |
| France, |
Noes.
| Austria, | Germany, |
| Chili, | Great Britain, |
| Colombia, | Guatemala, |
| Costa Rica, | Hawaii, |
| Italy, | Spain, |
| Japan, | Sweden, |
| Liberia, | Switzerland, |
| Mexico, | Turkey, |
| Netherlands, | United States, |
| Paraguay, | Venezuela. |
| Russia, |
Twenty-one noes and three ayes.
The President. The resolution is, therefore, lost.
Mr. Rutherfurd, Delegate of the United States. Mr. President,
in presenting again the resolution which was withdrawn by me to give
place to the resolution offered by our colleagues from France, having
taken the advice from several members of the Conference with whom I
consulted, it was thought best to offer a system of resolutions which
should be responsive to the mandate under which we act. With the view
of bringing the subject to the notice of all the members of the
Conference, I caused copies of the resolutions which I hold in my hand
to be sent to them.
I have since heard that is has been held that these resolutions had
been irregularly so communicated; that is, that the communication was
made in a semi-official manner. I beg to express an entire disclaimer
of anything of that sort. It was merely my individual action, and I
desired to give notice of certain resolutions, with the sole view of
having them fully understood before we met and to save time. I hope,
therefore, that this excuse and explanation will be understood and
accepted.
These resolutions are founded, as far as may be, upon those adopted at
Rome. They differ from them only in two points. In the counting of
longitude the Conference at Rome proposed that it should take place
around the globe in one direction. This counting was to be in the
direction from west to east.
Very singularly, I find in the report of the proceedings of the Roman
Conference no discussion on that subject. No questions were asked, nor
were any reasons given, why it should be so counted, and yet it was an
entire divergence from the usage of the world at that time. The
wording of the resolution of the Conference at Rome is substantially
this: That the counting of longitude should take place from the
meridian of Greenwich in the single direction of west to east.
It being my desire to avail myself, as far as possible, of the work of
the Conference at Rome, I consulted with my colleagues here, and found
that there was a great diversity of opinion. In the first place, some
said we have always counted longitude both ways, east to west and west
to east. Shall we cease to do that? Those who claimed that it was a
more scientific way to count all around the globe immediately differed
on the direction in which the longitude should be counted. Without
going into any argument as to which of these methods would be the best
or most convenient, I propose, by the second resolution, that we
should go on in the old way, and count longitude from the initial
meridian in each direction.
One of the objects of the third resolution is to make the new
universal day coincide with the civil day rather than with the
astronomical day. In the Conference at Rome the universal day was made
to coincide with the astronomical day. It seems to me that the
inconvenience of that system would be so great that we ought to
hesitate before adopting it. For us in America, perhaps the
inconvenience would not be so very great, but for such countries as
France and England, and those lying about the initial meridian, the
inconvenience would be very great, for the morning hours would be one
day, and the afternoon hours would be another day. That seems to me to
be a very great objection.
It was simply, therefore, to obviate this difficulty that this
resolution was offered. I hope, notwithstanding, that some day, not
far distant, all these conflicting days, the local, the universal, the
nautical, and the astronomical, may start from some one point. This
hope I have the greater reason to cherish since I have communicated
with the distinguished gentlemen who are here present, and it was with
that hope before me that I framed the resolution so that the beginning
of the day should be the midnight at the initial meridian, and not the
mid-day. With this explanation, I now again move the adoption of the
first resolution, which is as follows:
"Resolved, That the Conference proposes to the Governments
here represented the adoption of the meridian passing
through the centre of the transit instrument at the
Observatory of Greenwich as the initial meridian for
longitude."
The President. The Conference has heard the resolution. Any
remarks are now in order.
Mr. Sandford Fleming, Delegate of Great Britain. I think,
sir, the resolution goes a little too far at a single leap. I beg
leave, therefore, to move an amendment in harmony with the resolution,
at the same time leaving it to be settled by a subsequent resolution,
whether the zero be at Greenwich or at the other side of the globe.
"That a meridian proper, to be employed as a common zero in
the reckoning of longitude and the regulation of time
throughout the world, should be a great circle passing
through the poles and the centre of the transit instrument
at the Observatory of Greenwich."
Prof. Adams, Delegate of Great Britain. Mr. President, I
desire merely to state, in reference to the amendment brought forward
by one of our delegates, that the remaining delegates of Great Britain
are by no means of the opinion expressed in that amendment, and that
it is their intention, if it should come to a vote, to vote against
it.
The proposition to count longitude from a point 180 degrees from the
meridian of Greenwich appears to them not to be accompanied by any
advantage whatever. On the contrary, it must lead to inconvenience.
You do not, by adopting the meridian opposite Greenwich, get rid of
the nationality of the meridian. If there is objection to the meridian
of Greenwich on account of its nationality, the meridian of 180
degrees from Greenwich is subject to the same objection. The one half
is just as national as the other half.
The President. The chair would say that no specific meridian
is mentioned in the amendment.
Prof. Adams, Delegate of Great Britain. That is true, but, at
the same time, it should be said that the meridian described is
ambiguous. It is the meridian that passes through the poles and the
centre of the transit instrument of the Observatory of Greenwich. That
is the language of the amendment. But it is intended to apply to only
one-half of the great circle passing through the poles, that is to the
distant half of the meridian rather than to the nearer half. Unless it
defines which half it is intended to take, the amendment is ambiguous,
and it is not proper to be voted on.
Mr. Miles Rock, Delegate of Guatemala. Mr. President, It may
be well to hear the words of the original resolution, in order that we
can clearly see the relation of the amendment to that resolution.
The original resolution of the Delegate of the United States was then
read.
Baron von Alvensleben, Delegate of Germany. Mr. President, I
think that in this amendment offered by the Delegate of Great Britain
two questions are mixed up together. The first thing for us to do is
to fix upon a prime meridian; the second thing to settle is the
question whether the adoption of a universal day is desirable or not.
If we adopt this amendment, these two questions are involved in one
vote. Therefore, I think that they should be divided, for they are not
appropriate in the form in which they are presented.
Mr. Valera, Delegate of Spain. I ask permission to speak, in
order to explain my vote. The Government which I represent here has
told me to accept the Greenwich meridian as the international meridian
for longitudes, but I think it my duty to say that, though the
question does not arise in this debate, that Spain accepts this in the
hope that England and the United States will accept on their part the
metric system as she has done herself. I only wish to state this, and
I have no intention of making it a subject of discussion. I shall only
add that I believe Italy is similarly situated with Spain in this
matter.
The President. The Chair would say with great deference to
the distinguished Delegate from Spain that the question of weights and
measures is beyond the scope of this Conference. The invitation given
by the Government of the United States to the nations here represented
was for a distinct and specific purpose, the selection of a prime
meridian, a zero of longitude throughout the world and a standard of
time-reckoning. So far as the Chair is informed, it would not be in
order at this Conference to discuss a question of metric system.
Mr. Juan Valera, Delegate of Spain. My only intention in
making these remarks was to verify a fact. I know very well that we
have not to discuss that question. Besides, the Government which I
represent expresses only a hope, and I know we do not insert any hopes
in our protocols; but I thought it my duty to make this declaration.
Mr. Lefaivre, Delegate of France. I desire to make some
remarks on the question when it is put to a vote; for the time being I
shall only say a few words on the remarks of my honorable colleague,
the Delegate of Spain, Mr. Valera. I believe that though the question
of weights and measures is not before the Conference, it is allowable
for a member to state, in the name of his Government, the conditions
to which his vote has been subordinated. Even though the question is
not under discussion, it may appear from such an explanation that the
vote is conditional, instead of being a simple affirmation. If my
honorable colleague has received from his Government instructions to
subordinate his vote to such or such a condition, even when the
question to which it is subordinated is not submitted to the
Conference, it follows from it, according to me, and everybody will
admit it, that the consequences of that vote are at least conditional.
Mr. Valera, Delegate of Spain. My Government has charged me
to express here its hopes and desires, but the vote which I have given
is not, in my opinion, conditional; for I have received instructions
to pronounce in favor of the Greenwich meridian to measure the degrees
of longitude. However, it was necessary for me to say at the same time
that it was with the hope that England and the United States would
adopt the French weights and measure.
General Strachey, Delegate of Great Britain. While I entirely
agree with the view which the Chair has taken of the question whether
the adoption of metrical weights and measures is before this
Conference—namely, that it is beyond our competence to discuss
it—yet I am glad to have the opportunity of saying that I am
authorized to state that Great Britain, after considering the opinions
which were expressed at Rome, has desired that it may be allowed to
join the Convention du mètre. The arrangements for that purpose, when
I left my country, were either completed, or were in course of
completion, so that, as a matter of fact, Great Britain henceforth
will be, as regards its system of weights and measures, exactly in the
same position as the United States.
In Great Britain the use of metrical weights and measures is
authorized by law. Contracts can be made in which they are used, and
the department which regulates the weights and measures of Great
Britain is charged, consequently, with the duty of providing properly
authenticated standard metric weights and measures for purposes of
verification. It is quite true that the Government of England does not
hold out any expectation that she will adopt the compulsory use of the
metric system, either at the present time, or, so far as that goes, at
any future time; but it is a well known fact—and in saying this I
shall be supported, I have no doubt, by the views of the eminent
scientific men of my own country who are here present—that there is
a strong feeling on the part of scientific men of England that, sooner
or later, she will be likely to join in the use of that system, which,
no doubt, is an extremely good one, and which, so far as purely
scientific purposes are concerned, is largely in use at the present
time.
Mr. Valera, Delegate of Spain. I desire to thank the
honorable Delegate of England, General Strachey, for the friendly
words which he has just pronounced, and to felicitate myself for
having manifested the desire and hope of my Government that England
should accept the weights and measures which have been accepted in
Spain and in other parts of the European continent.
Mr. Lefaivre, Delegate of France. Mr. Chairman, I cannot
pretend to make any suggestion of any technical value on the question
now before us. I only rise to add a few words to the views which have
been so authoritatively expounded to you by Prof. Janssen, in
order to explain clearly the situation of the French Government in
this important discussion.
It is henceforth evident, after the instructive debate at which we
have just assisted, that the meridian of Greenwich is not a scientific
one, and that its adoption implies no progress for astronomy, geodesy,
or navigation; that is to say, for all the branches and pursuits of
human activity interested in the unification at which we aim.
Thus, science is absolutely disinterested in the selection which we
are now discussing and that fact I wish to emphasize particularly, as
we are about to take a vote which we can easily anticipate by the one
we had a few minutes ago, in order that the opponents of the
resolution may not be accused of obstructing progress and the great
aims of science for private interests.
If, on the contrary, any conclusion is to be drawn from the
instructive debate at which we have assisted, it is that the
principal, I will say more, the only merit of the Greenwich
meridian—and our colleague from Great Britain just now reminded us of
it by enumerating with complacency the tonnage of British and American
shipping—is that there are grouped around it, interests to be
respected, I will acknowledge it willingly, by their magnitude, their
energy, and their power of increasing, but entirely devoid of any
claim on the impartial solicitude of science. To strengthen my
assertion, gentlemen, I fall back upon the arguments brought forward
by Mr. Hirsch in his remarkable report to the Geodetic Conference at
Rome, arguments that evidently carried the vote of that assembly.
The Greenwich meridian, says that report, corresponds to an empire
that embraces twenty million square kilometres and a population of two
hundred and fifty millions. Her merchant marine, which counts 40,000
ships of a tonnage from six to nine million tons, and crews of
370,000 men, surpasses in importance all the other marines put
together. Other States, equally important by their merchant marine,
especially the United States, make use of the Greenwich meridian.
Well, gentlemen, if we weigh these reasons—the only ones that have
been set forth, the only ones that at present militate for the
Greenwich meridian—is it not evident that these are material
superiorities, commercial preponderances that are going to influence
your choice? Science appears here only as the humble vassal of the
powers of the day to consecrate and crown their success. But,
gentlemen, nothing is so transitory and fugitive as power and riches.
All the great empires of the world, all financial, industrial, and
commercial prosperities of the world, have given us a proof of it,
each in turn.
So long as there are not in polities or commerce any scientific means
by which to fix, to enchain fortune, I see no reason to fix, to
enchain, to subordinate, so to say, science to their fate.
The character of the proposed determination of the initial meridian is
so evident, that the reporter of the Conference at Rome, Mr. Hirsch,
admits it implicitly, for recognizing that the adoption of the
meridian of Greenwich is a sacrifice for France, he asks that England
should respond by a similar concession, by favoring the definitive
adoption of the metric system, and by acceding to the Convention of
the metre which furnishes to all States metric standards rigorously
compared. Thus, Mr. Hirsch, in a spirit of justice, wished to make for
each a balance of profit and loss—evident proof that the question was
of a commercial, and of no scientific advantage. I am not aware, and
my mission is not to discover, whether the bargain might have been
accepted by France. However, it is with great pleasure that I heard
our colleague from England declare that his Government was ready to
join the international metric convention, but I notice, with sorrow,
that our situation in this Congress is not as favorable as that of
Rome, since the total abandonment of our meridian is proposed without
any compensation.
At Rome the adoption of the metric system of weights and measures, of
which France had the glorious initiative, was held out to us, but here
we are simply invited to sacrifice traditions dear to our navy, to
national science, by adding to that immolation pecuniary sacrifices.
We are assuredly very much flattered that there should be attributed
to us sufficient abnegation to elevate us to that double heroism. We
wish that we were able to justify such a flattering opinion, and
especially we should like to be encouraged by examples. There are at
this very moment magnificent transformations to be realized for the
progress of science, and of the friendly relations of
nations—unification of weights and measures, adoption of a common
standard of moneys, and many other innovations of a well recognized
utility, infinitely more pressing and more practical than that of
meridians. When the discussion of these great questions is begun, let
each nation come and bring its share of sacrifices for this
international progress. France, according to her usage, I may say so
without vain glory as without false modesty, France will not remain
behind. For the present we decline the honor of immolating ourselves
alone for progress of a problematic, and eminently secondary order;
and it is with perfect tranquillity of conscience that we declare that
we do not concur in the adoption of the meridian of Greenwich,
persuaded as we are that France does not incur the reproach of
retarding and of obstructing the march of science by abstaining from
participating in this decision.
The President. Unless some other Delegate desires to speak,
the question will be put upon the amendment of the Delegate of Great
Britain, Mr. Fleming.
The question was then put, and the amendment was lost.
The President. The Chair sees upon the floor to-day, as the
guest of this Conference, one of the most distinguished scientists,
who was invited to be present at our meetings, Sir William
Thomson, whose name is known the world over in connection with
subjects kindred to this we are now discussing. If it be the pleasure
of the Conference to ask Sir William Thomson briefly to
express his views, the Chair would be very happy to make the
invitation.
The Chair, hearing no dissent, takes pleasure in introducing Sir
William Thomson.
Sir William Thomson. Mr. President and Gentlemen, I thank you
for permitting me to be present on this occasion, and I thank you also
for giving me the opportunity of expressing myself in reference to the
subject under discussion. I only wish that the permission which you
have so kindly given me may conduce to the objects of this Conference
more than I can hope any words of mine can do.
The question immediately under discussion is, I understand, the
proposal that the meridian passing through the centre of the
instrument at the Observatory of Greenwich shall be adopted as the
initial meridian of longitude, and it does seem to me that this is a
practical question; that this resolution expresses a practical
conclusion that it is expected by the world the present Conference may
reach. It is expected that the resolutions adopted will be for the
general convenience, and not for the decision of a scientific
question. It is the settlement of a question which is a matter of
business arrangement. The question is, what will be most convenient,
on the whole, for the whole world.
It cannot be said that one meridian is more scientific than another,
but it can be said that one meridian is more convenient for practical
purposes than another, and I think that this may be said pre-eminently
of the meridian of Greenwich.
I do most sincerely and fervently hope that the Delegates from France
and from the other nations who voted for the preceding resolution will
see their way to adopt the resolution that is now before the
Conference. It does seem to me that it is a question of sacrifice, and
I do trust that the honorable Delegate from France who spoke last, Mr.
Lefaivre, will see that France is not being asked to make any
sacrifice that it was not prepared to make.
In the admirable and interesting addresses which Mr. Janssen
has given to this Conference, (which I had not the pleasure or
satisfaction of hearing, but which I have read with great interest,)
the readiness of France to make a much greater sacrifice than that
which is now proposed was announced. The amount of sacrifice involved
in making any change from an existing usage must always be more or
less great, because it cannot be said that it is a matter of no
trouble to make such a change; but what I may be allowed to suggest is
that the sacrifice which France was ready to make would be very much
greater than that which would be made by adopting the resolution now
pending.
If the resolution for a neutral meridian had been adopted, all nations
would have to make the sacrifice necessary for a change to a meridian
not actually determined, and the relations of which could not be so
convenient with those meridians already adopted as are the relations
between the meridians now in use with that of Greenwich. It does seem
to me that if the Delegates of France could see their way to adopt
this resolution, they would have no occasion whatever to regret it.
I sympathize deeply with what has been said in regard to a common
metrical system. I have a very strong opinion upon this subject, which
I will not express, however, if it meets any objection from the Chair;
but it seems to me that England is making a sacrifice in not adopting
the metrical system. The question, however, cannot be put in that way.
We are not here to consider whether England would gain or lose by
adopting the metrical system. That is not the way to view this
question at all, because whether England should adopt the metrical
system is a matter for its own convenience and use, and whether it
adopts it or not, other nations are not affected by its course. It
would not at all be for the benefit or the reverse of other nations.
The President. The Chair would be very glad to hear Sir
Wm. Thomson's views on this subject if it were before the
Conference for discussion, but it is not.
Sir William Thomson. I beg pardon for having mentioned it.
I would repeat that the adoption of the meridian of Greenwich is one
of convenience. The difference of other meridians from it is readily
ascertained, and therefore it seems to me that the minimum of trouble
will be entailed on the world by the general adoption of the meridian
of Greenwich. This would require the minimum of change, and,
furthermore, the changes which would be necessary are already wholly
ascertained.
I would inquire of the Chair whether it would be in order for me to
allude to the resolutions number 2 and 3, which have been read?
The President. I think that we must confine ourselves to the
subject immediately under discussion—the adoption of a prime
meridian.
Sir William Thomson. Then I have only to thank you and the
Delegates for allowing me to speak, and to express my very strong
approbation of the resolution that has been proposed.
Sir F. J. O. Evans, Delegate of Great Britain, then made the
following remarks:
In view of the interesting information furnished to the Congress by
M. Janssen on the hydrographic labors of France, past and
present, and of the results as represented by the number of Government
charts; it has appeared to myself—as having held the office of
hydrographer to the Admiralty of Great Britain for many years—in
which opinion I am supported by my colleagues, that I should place at
the disposal of the Congress certain statistical facts bearing on the
great interests of navigation and commerce, as illustrated by the
number of marine charts, of sailing directions, and of nautical
almanacs annually produced under the authority of the British
Government, and of their distribution.
I would wish to disclaim any comparison in this respect with the
labors of other countries. From personal knowledge I am aware that all
nations—with only one or two exceptions—are, and especially so in
the last few years, diligent in the development of hydrography, and
that a cordial interchange of the results unfettered by any conditions
is steadily being pursued.
With this preface I would lay before you the following statements,
observing that the shores of the whole navigable parts of the globe
are embraced in the series of Admiralty charts referred to:
The number of copper chart plates in constant use is between 2,850 and
2,900. This number keeps up steadily. About 60 new plates are added
every year.
Average number of copper plates annually receiving correction amount
to 2,700.
Total number of charts annually printed for the daily use of the ships
of Her Majesty's fleet in commission, and for sale to the general
public, has for some years ranged between 180,000 and 230,000.
The sale of Admiralty charts to the public through an authorized
agent, both in London and at other commercial ports in the kingdom,
has been for the last seven years as follows:
| 1877 | .............................. | 104,562 |
| 1878 | .............................. | 109,881 |
| 1879 | .............................. | 103,943 |
| 1880 | .............................. | 114,430 |
| 1881 | .............................. | 118,542 |
| 1882 | .............................. | 131,801 |
| 1883 | .............................. | 157,325 |
Of these numbers, about one-fifth have been purchased by the
governments or agents of Austria, France, Germany, Italy, Russia,
Turkey, and the United States. The appended list, which was furnished
to me by the Admiralty Chart agent during the present year, gives the
more precise particulars.
| | | United | | | | | |
| Years. | France. | Germany. | States. | Italy. | Russia. | Turkey. | Austria. | Total. |
| 1877 | 2,039 | 5,184 | 2,067 | 1,518 | 11,763 | ....... | ....... | 22,561 |
| 1878 | 5,741 | 3,381 | 2,641 | 2,645 | 5,651 | ....... | 600 | 20,529 |
| 1879 | 3,340 | 6,425 | 5,185 | 802 | 9,354 | ....... | 641 | 25,747 |
| 1880 | 5,793 | 5,280 | 1,879 | 797 | 10,145 | 519 | 376 | 24,788 |
| 1881 | 4,418 | 3,640 | 1,273 | 2,694 | 3,406 | 1,160 | 996 | 17,587 |
| 1882 | 7,454 | 5,656 | 1,716 | 2,569 | 4,245 | 115 | 1,197 | 22,952 |
| 1888 | 5,592 | 7,882 | 6,174 | 2,607 | 6,280 | 2,368 | 2,158 | 32,961 |
| 1884 (1st.quar.) | 1,367 | 2,261 | 2,942 | 908 | 2,186 | 429 | 677 | 10,670 |
| |
| 35,741 | 39,679 | 23,867 | 14,440 | 52,930 | 4,591 | 6,544 | 177,795 |
But the chart resources of the British Admiralty, great as they are,
do not suffice to meet the requirements of the smaller class ships of
the mercantile marine of Great Britain. There are three commercial
firms in London who publish special charts, based, however, on
admiralty documents, to satisfy this demand. On inquiry I found that
these firms publish 640 charts, which, from their large size, require
about 930 copper plates. I am not able to furnish the number of charts
sold by these firms, but it is large.
Supplementary to the Admiralty Charts, there are 51 volumes of Sailing
Directions. Several of these volumes exceed 500 pages, and have passed
through several editions. Private commercial firms also, in addition
to their charts, publish directions for many parts of the globe. These
include regions with which the Admiralty have not yet, notwithstanding
great diligence, been able to deal.
The annual sales of nautical almanacs for the past seven years have
been:
| 1877 | .............................. | 18,439 |
| 1878 | .............................. | 16,408 |
| 1879 | .............................. | 16,290 |
| 1880 | .............................. | 14,561 |
| 1881 | .............................. | 15,870 |
| 1882 | .............................. | 15,071 |
| 1883 | .............................. | 15,535 |
I think, sir, that these are salient points, which will assist the
Conference in coming to a clearer view of the great interest which
navigation and commerce have in the charts of a particular country.
The question was then put on the adoption of the resolution offered by
the Delegate of the United States, Mr. Rutherfurd, as
follows:
"That the Conference proposes to the Governments here
represented the adoption of the meridian passing through the
transit instrument at the Observatory of Greenwich as the
initial meridian for longitude."
The roll was called, and the different States voted as follows:
In the affirmative—
| Austria, | Mexico, |
| Chili, | Netherlands, |
| Costa Rica, | Paraguay, |
| Columbia, | Russia, |
| Germany, | Spain, |
| Great Britain, | Sweden, |
| Guatemala, | Switzerland, |
| Hawaii, | Turkey, |
| Italy, | Venezuela, |
| Japan, | United States. |
| Liberia, |
In the negative—
Abstaining from voting—
The result was then announced, as follows:
Ayes, 21; noes, 1; abstaining from voting, 2.
The President then announced that the resolution was passed.
Mr. de Struve, Delegate of Russia. In the name of the
Delegates for Russia I have now, at this point of the discussion, to
say a few words.
If we had to consider the scientific side alone of the questions,
which have already been discussed and resolved by the prominent
scientists of the different countries at the General Conference of the
International Geodetical Association at Rome, in 1883, we might as
well simply adhere to the resolutions of the Roman Conference, and
limit our work to the shaping of these resolutions into the form of a
draft of an international convention, to be submitted for approbation
to our respective Governments. But, as we have, besides, to consider
the application of the intended reform to practical life, we beg to
submit the following suggestions to the kind attention of the
Conference.
It is important to find for the more densely populated countries the
simplest mode possible of transition from local to universal time, and
vice versa; and we believe, therefore, that it would be convenient
for the practical purposes of the question to adopt for the beginning
of the universal day the midnight of Greenwich, and not the noon, as
was deemed advisable by the Conference of Rome.
This modification would offer for the whole of Europe and for the
greatest part of America the advantage of avoiding the double date in
local and universal time during the principal business hours of the
day, and would afford great facilities in the transition from local
time to universal.
In adopting the universal time for the astronomical almanacs and for
astronomical ephemerides, and in counting the beginning of the day
from the midnight of Greenwich, there would be, it is true, a
modification of the astronomical chronology, as heretofore used; but
we think it easier for the astronomers to change the starting point,
and to make allowance for these 12 hours of difference in their
calculations, than it would be for the public and for the business
men, if the date for the universal time began at noon, and not at
midnight.
The Conference at Rome proposes to count the longitudes from O° to
360° in the direction from west to east. It seems to us that this
system can lead to misunderstanding in the local and universal
chronology for the countries beyond the 180° east of Greenwich.
We believe that a more practical result of the reform could be easily
obtained by modifying the clause IV of the resolutions of the Roman
Conference, and by maintaining the system already in use for a long
time, which is to count the longitudes from 0° to 180° to east and
west, adopting the sign + for eastern longitudes, and the sign - for
western longitudes Thus the transition from universal to local time
could be exactly expressed by the formula:
Universal time = Local time - Longitude.
The adoption of this modification would necessitate that the change of
the day of the week, historically established on or about the
anti-meridian of Greenwich, should henceforth take place exactly on
that meridian.
We are in favor of the adoption of the universal time (clause V of the
resolutions of the Roman Conference) side by side with the local time,
for international telegraphic correspondence, and for through
international lines by railroads and steamers.
We fully accept the resolution of the Roman Conference concerning the
introduction of the system of counting the hours of the universal day
from 0 to 24; and we think it desirable that the same system should be
introduced for counting the hours in ordinary life. This would greatly
contribute to the disappearance of the arbitrary division of the day
into two parts, a. m. and p. m., and to an easier transition from
local to universal time.
We think it advisable to mark on all general maps the meridians in
time as well as in degrees of longitude, which would render the reform
familiar to the public, and facilitate its introduction in the
education of the young.
On maritime charts the longitudes ought to be given in degrees, as
these are necessary for the determination of distances in maritime
miles.
The topographical maps may maintain temporarily their national
meridian, in consequence of the difficulties of the modification of
the co-ordinates for plates already engraved; but it would be
necessary to mark on every sheet the difference between the national
and the initial universal meridian in degrees of longitude.
It would be most desirable to have in all new geographical catalogues
of astronomical and geodetical points the longitudes given in degrees
as well as in time, and that in these new catalogues the new initial
meridian be taken as the starting point for the longitudes.
The President. The Chair has listened with great interest and
pleasure to the paper which has just been read by the Delegate of
Russia, Mr. de Struve, but the Chair begs to state that there
is no resolution before the Conference.
The President. The Chair will now direct the second
resolution to be read.
The resolution was read, as follows:
"From this meridian" (i.e., the meridian passing through
the centre of the transit instrument at the Observatory at
Greenwich) "longitude shall be counted in two directions up
to 180 degrees, east longitude being plus and west longitude
minus."
Mr. Rutherfurd, Delegate of the United States. Mr. President,
In submitting this resolution to the Conference, I wish to say that
the remarks of the Delegate of Russia have increased my confidence in
the belief of its propriety.
Mr. W. F. Allen, Delegate of the United States. Mr.
President, the establishment of a prime meridian has, from the force
of circumstances, become of practical importance to certain interests
entrusted with vast responsibilities for the safety of life and
property. These interests bear an important relation to the commerce
of the world, and especially to the internal commerce of an extent of
country embracing within its limits about sixty-five degrees of
longitude. Exactness of time reckoning is an imperative necessity in
the conduct of business.
On November 18, 1883, the several railway companies of the United
States and the Dominion of Canada united in the adoption of the mean
local times of the seventy-fifth, ninetieth, one hundred and fifth,
and one hundred and twentieth meridians, west from Greenwich, as the
standards of time for the operation of their roads. The system under
which they have since been working has proved satisfactory. They have
no desire to make any further change. A large majority of the people
in the several sections of the country through which the railways pass
have either by mutual consent or special legislation adopted for their
local use, for all purposes, the standards of time employed by the
adjacent roads. Upon the public and working railway time-tables
generally the fact has been published that the trains are run by the
time of the seventy-fifth or ninetieth, etc., meridians, as the case
may be.
The same standards are used by the Railway Mail Service of the United
States Post-office Department, which had previously used Washington
time exclusively for through schedules.
It will at once be apparent how undesirable any action would be to the
transportation interests of this country, which should so locate the
prime meridian as to require these time-standard meridians to be
designated by other than exact degrees of longitude. That these
standard meridians should continue to be designated as even multiples
of fifteen degrees from Greenwich is regarded as decidedly preferable.
To change to different standards, based upon exact degrees of some
other prime meridian, would require an amount of legislation very
difficult to obtain.
At a convention of the managers of many important railway lines which
control through their connections fully three-fourths of the entire
railway system of this country, held in Philadelphia on October 9,
1884, certain action was taken, of which I have the honor to present a
duly attested copy.
"At a meeting of the General Railway Time Convention, held
in Philadelphia, October 9th, 1884, the following minute
was unanimously adopted:
"Whereas, An International Conference is now in session at
Washington, D. C., for the purpose of fixing upon a prime
meridian and standard of time-reckoning; and
"Whereas, The railway companies of the United States and
Canada have adopted a system of time standards based,
respectively, upon the mean local times of the 75th, 90th,
105th, and 120th meridians west from Greenwich, and this
system has proved so satisfactory in its working as to
render any further change inexpedient and unnecessary;
therefore
"Resolved, That it is the opinion of this Convention that
the selection of any prime meridian which would change the
denomination of these governing meridians from even degrees
and make them fractional in their character would be
disturbing in no small measure to the transportation lines
of the United States and Canada.
"Resolved, That a duly attested copy of these resolution
be presented to the Conference."
P. P. Wright,
Chairman.
Attest: Henry B. Stone,
Secretary pro tempore.
Count Lewenhaupt, Delegate of Sweden. Mr. President, I
propose as an amendment to the resolution just offered the fourth
resolution adopted by the Congress at Rome:
"It is proper to count longitude from the meridian of
Greenwich in one direction from west to east."
Baron H. von Alvensleben, Delegate of Germany. Mr. President,
I beg to state that I think that this is only a question of detail;
and, if the question is put to the Conference, I shall not be able to
vote, and I shall abstain from voting.
The President. May I ask the Delegate from Germany whether
his remark applies to the amendment?
Baron H. von Alvensleben, Delegate of Germany. Yes, sir; to
the amendment, and to the resolution, also.
Prof. Adams, Delegate of England. Mr. President, I must say
that I am very much inclined to agree with the Delegate of Germany in
the opinion that this is only a question of detail.
It is a mere matter of convenience whether we count longitudes in one
direction only, or in two opposite directions, considering longitudes
measured in one direction as positive and in the opposite direction as
negative. These two methods are nominally different from each other,
but in reality there is no contradiction between them.
In the mathematical reckoning of angles we may agree to begin at zero,
and reckon in one direction round the entire circumference of 360
degrees, but this does not prevent a mathematician, if he finds it
convenient for any purpose, from reckoning angles as positive when
measured in one direction, and negative when measured in the opposite
direction.
If angles be considered positive when reckoned towards the east, it is
quite consistent with this usage that they should be considered
negative when reckoned towards the west.
It is much more convenient to consider all angles as positive in
astronomical tables, but for other purposes it may be more convenient
to employ negative angles also, especially when, by so doing, you
avoid the use of large numbers.
In comparatively small countries, like Great Britain for instance, it
is more convenient when giving the longitude of a place in the west of
England to consider it as being a few degrees west of Greenwich,
rather than 350 and some degrees to the east of that meridian.
Commander Sampson, Delegate of the United States. Mr.
President, while I think the question of reckoning longitude is a
matter of detail, I think it devolves upon us to decide it one way or
the other. Navigators are more interested in the question than
mathematicians, and the longitudes must be engraved upon our
hydrographic charts.
Now, as the learned Delegate of Great Britain, Prof. Adams,
who has just spoken, has stated, the principle involved is the same,
whether we reckon east or west, or reckon continuously in the same
direction. It seems to me, however, that when we come to consider the
reckoning of longitude in connection with the adoption of a universal
day, we should then make a decided choice in favor of counting
longitude from zero to 360 degrees. If we adopt the resolution which
my friend, the Delegate of the United States, Mr. Rutherfurd,
has offered, it will be in perfect conformity with the habits of the
world. For that reason, and it is a very strong reason, I think it
might be adopted; but a little consideration will show that if we
reckon the longitude from zero to 360 degrees, east to west, then we
will change the existing practice of reckoning longitude; but, of
course, only in one hemisphere, and that will be eastward of the prime
meridian; but, as we shall all remember, to the eastward of the prime
meridian we have the main portions of the continents of Asia, Europe,
and Africa, and in all the navigable water lying in the other
hemisphere the longitude will continue to be reckoned as now. To
navigators of the water lying to the eastward of the prime meridian
there will be a change in the method of counting longitude both ways,
it would be necessary to adopt two different rules for converting
local into universal time.
Prof. Adams, Delegate of Great Britain. Oh! no; by no means.
Commander Sampson, Delegate of the United States. For
although one rule would answer, by having regard to the algebraical
sign affecting the longitude, it must be remembered that this rule is
to be applied by many who are not accustomed to distinguishing east
and west longitudes by a difference of sign, and who would therefore
require one rule when the longitude is east and another when it is
west. If, however, we adopt the method of reckoning from zero to 360
degrees, from east to west, the relation existing between the local
and the universal time becomes the simplest possible. To obtain the
universal date and hour, under these circumstances, it only becomes
necessary to add the longitude to the local time, understanding by
local time the local date as well as the local hour. I think, for this
reason, it will be preferable to reckon the longitude in one direction
from east to west, instead of west to east.
Sir Frederick Evans, Delegate of Great Britain. I would like
to present a few words on behalf of seamen. There is clearly an
important change proposed by the amendment. In the resolution before
us it is simply a question of the reckoning of longitude as now
employed by seamen of all nations, and I think it would be well to
keep that fact separate from the reckoning of time.
The President. The Chair begs to state that the discussion is
now upon the amendment of the Delegate of Sweden, Count
Lewenhaupt, to adopt the fourth resolution of the Congress at
Rome.
Sir Frederick Evans, Delegate of Great Britain. Then I
consider that, in the interest of seamen, it would be very undesirable
to accept the amendment. We must recollect that an immense deal of the
world's traffic is carried around the world entirely by sea, and that
this proposed dislocation of the methods of seamen by reckoning
longitude in one direction only would, to say the least, be extremely
inconvenient, and it would require considerable time for them to get
into the habit of doing so. I think, however, that as to the question
of time, there would be no difference of opinion; doubtless, it is the
easier method; but, as we have to look at the practical side of this
calculation of longitude, I must certainly disagree with the amendment
and vote for the original resolution.
Mr. Juan Pastorin, Delegate of Spain, then presented the
following amendment:
"Resolved, That the Conference proposes to the Governments
here represented that longitude shall be counted from the
prime meridian westward, in the direction opposite to the
terrestrial rotation, and reckoned from zero degrees to 360
degrees, and from zero hours to 24 hours."
The President. The question before the Conference now is the
amendment of the Delegate of Sweden. If the Delegate of Spain desires
to offer his resolution as an amendment to the amendment already
offered, the Chair will place it before the Conference.
Mr. Juan Pastorin, Delegate of Spain. I am in accord with the
views expressed by our colleague, Commander Sampson, and I
propose the resolution which I have just presented.
Mr. Valera, the Delegate of Spain. I believe the amendment
proposed by my colleague, Mr. Pastorin, Delegate of Spain,
does not apply to the amendment of the Delegate of Sweden, but to the
original resolution. In order to avoid all ambiguity it would be much
better to discuss them one after the other. Therefore let us decide
the question whether it is better to count up to 180° in each
direction or up to 360° continuously. Then we can go on to something
else.
The President. In order to meet the views expressed by Mr.
Valera, the Delegate of Spain, Mr. Pastorin will
withdraw his amendment, and the Delegate of Sweden, Count
Lewenhaupt, will propose the substance of his original
resolution so modified in form that its details may be considered
separately.
Mr. Juan Pastorin, Delegate of Spain. In conformity with the
statement of the President, I now withdraw my amendment.
Count Lewenhaupt, Delegate of Sweden. I beg to offer the
following propositions in the form of amendments to the original
resolution offered by the Delegate of the United States; these may be
discussed in succession:
"1. That from this prime meridian (the Greenwich meridian)
longitude shall be counted in one direction."
"2. That such longitude shall be counted from west to east."
Or, in place of No. 2—
"3. That such longitude shall be counted from east to west."
The President. The Delegates from Sweden and Spain have
agreed as to the first part of the resolution, that longitude shall be
counted in one direction—that is, from zero to 360 degrees. The
question before the Conference is now upon the first clause of the
resolution, and the other two will be subsequently discussed.
General Strachey, Delegate of Great Britain. I think it is
impossible to proceed to a vote upon these propositions without
bearing in mind what is to be decided as to the universal day. That
day, as it appears to me, will have to be determined with reference to
the initial meridian in such manner as to prevent, as far as possible,
inconvenience from discontinuity of local time and date in passing
around the world.
No matter how longitude is calculated, you must necessarily arrive at
discontinuity at some point in passing around the great circle of the
earth. It seems to me that the most convenient way of counting both
longitude and time is that the discontinuity in both shall take place
on the same point on the earth. Now, certainly, as was observed at
Rome, it will be far less inconvenient if the discontinuity of date
takes place on the meridian of 180 degrees from Greenwich. Then the
reckoning of local time all around the world, going from west to east
in the direction of the earth's rotation, will be continuous.
In any other way, as far as I can see, there will be a discontinuity
at some point on the inhabited part of the earth. If the
discontinuity were to take place on the meridian of Greenwich, as has
been proposed by the Conference at Rome, the dates will change there
during the daytime. That, as it appears to me, will be extremely
inconvenient.
In order to harmonize what I have called the discontinuity of date
with the discontinuity in the reckoning of longitude, it appears to me
that it will be best to reckon the longitude in both directions. There
will be no discontinuity then except on the 180th meridian. It would
be very inconvenient for a great part of the civilized world if the
resolution which has been offered should be adopted, if, as I presume
it would do, it caused discontinuity both in longitude and local time
in Europe.
After all, what are we here to endeavor to do? Notwithstanding what
has been said in the other direction, for my part I must say that the
great object before us is to secure the greatest convenience of the
whole civilized world, and it seems to me that we should try to obtain
it.
If there is no very strong reason for altering the existing system of
counting longitudes, it appears to me that this is a very excellent
reason in favor of maintaining it. I do not see myself that, for any
practical purpose, anything would be gained by reckoning longitude
from zero to 360 degrees. There may be some special scientific
purposes for which it may be convenient, but the object which this
resolution is intended to meet is of another character.
What we want is longitude for ordinary purposes, and on that hangs the
reckoning of universal time, which, of course, should be for the
general use of the whole world.
Professor Adams, Delegate of Great Britain. Mr. President, I
doubt whether I should trouble the Conference in reference to this
point. I think, however, that it is a matter of little importance
whether we consider longitude as positive, when reckoned toward the
east, and negative, when reckoned to the west, or go on in one
direction from zero to 360 degrees; it amounts, mathematically
speaking, to the same thing. We never can consider mathematical lines
or angles as positive in one direction, without implying that in the
opposite direction they are negative. One of these is merely the
complement of the other.
For myself, I would say that there is no use in the Conference
resolving that we should count longitude only in the eastwardly
direction. The Conference may say that if longitude is reckoned
towards the east, it shall be considered positive, and, if reckoned
towards the west, negative; and that is all we should say. I do not
think it is within the competence of the Conference to say that
mathematicians shall reckon longitude only in one direction. Whether
you choose to reckon right through to 360 degrees or not is a matter
of detail, and of no importance in a scientific point of view. You can
adopt one style or the other, according to which is found the more
convenient in practice.
Mr. Sandford Fleming, Delegate of Great Britain. I would
suggest that this matter of detail can very well be discussed and
arranged by a committee, otherwise, it may take up the whole time of
the Conference. I move, therefore, that a committee be appointed to
take up this matter and report upon it at the next meeting.
The President. The Chair desires only to carry out the wish
of the Conference, but it does not see clearly what we should gain by
a committee. Still, if it be the desire of the Conference to order a
committee, then the question will arise as to the organization of that
committee, and the Chair would feel some hesitation in appointing it.
Mr. Rutherfurd, Delegate of the United States. Mr. President,
if this was a new question, in regard to which we had heard no
discussion, it would be eminently proper that we should put it into
the hands of a committee to formalize and thereby to shorten our
deliberations; but it seems to me that the appointment of a committee
now would not help us at all. When the report of that committee came
in, we should have to proceed exactly as we do now.
There are only three questions before the Conference, and they come
within very narrow limits. First, shall we count longitude both ways?
Second, shall we count it all around the 360 degrees? Third, if so, in
which direction is the counting to take place?
These are the only three questions, and, after all, they are questions
of convenience. We are just as capable of voting upon these
propositions now as we should be after the appointment of a committee.
Baron von Schæffer, Delegate of Austria-Hungary. Mr.
President, I move that we adjourn until to-morrow at one o'clock P.M.
The question upon the motion to adjourn was then put and adopted, and
the Conference accordingly adjourned at 3.45 P.M. until Tuesday, the
14th inst., at one o'clock P.M.